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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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Birchey said:
Wrong, the line is "What about everything" from the Album cut of Earth Song as can be heard at 3:45 on the acapella http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K04iaJrcYVM :tease:
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Thanks for the link!
I have to use a proxy to see it. :bugeyed

I stand corrected. It's featured on the released version. Whether it's actually "What about apathy" or "What about everything" still bugs me though as there's no definite answer to this as far as I know. We have various versions of the lyrics.


@Kapital77: Birchey would have leaked sth IF he had proof that it's Jason singing the songs. Even I would leak any proof as soon as I have it.
No fan wants to support a fraud. You think I would support a fraud and you also continue to tell me I would be rude to you...
 
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Guess I'll be needing the password again for the Conspiracy section.
 
You support that´s Michael Jackson on those fake tracks sung by Jason Malachi because you paid so much money in the demo/earlier versions that Tak sold you.

It´s very difficult to assume that you paid SO MUCH MONEY on fake tracks sung by Jason Cupeta.
 
Pentum;3330989 said:
Guess I'll be needing the password again for the Conspiracy section.
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Ahhhh, password?.

Incredible !!!.

That it´s a good way to achieve nobody knows the truth and don´t let me enter to that section.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

This thread has plagued the top of this forum for too long.
 
Kapital77;3330990 said:
You support that´s Michael Jackson on those fake tracks sung by Jason Malachi because you paid so much money in the demo versions that Tak sold you.

It´s very difficult to assume that you paid SO MUCH MONEY on fake tracks sung by Jason Cupeta.
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You are full of prejudices.

You now claim to know what I did. Don't you see how ridiculous you sound. Stop this nonsense.

I didn't buy anything from "tak" (and FYI: only 2 out of 8 songs were Cascio songs). You don't know anything about me. Stop telling people what you think I would do. This is ridiculous.

You are rude and not me. You don't even recognize it.
 
And if it´s true that there are fake tracks?, what would you think? don´t talk about the fraud?.

This is the worst attack againts MJ.

But it´s better to shut up and don´t talk about it because Sony & the Estate made a mistake and we have to cover it, cause they have all the MJ music and power to do whatever they want to do.
 
Kapital77;3331003 said:
And if it´s true that there are fake tracks?, what would you think? don´t talk about the fraud?.

This is the worst attack againts MJ.
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If it's true, I would do anything I could to get the persons responsible into big trouble.


No, I'd say the worst attacks against MJ were:
- the 1993 case
- Martin Bashir ruining Michael's life
- the 2005 case

This fraud (if true) would be an attack for us fans. Michael is dead.
 
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Korgnex said:
You are full of prejudices.

You now claim to know what I did. Don't you see how ridiculous you sound. Stop this nonsense.

I didn't buy anything from "tak" (and FYI: only 2 out of 8 songs were Cascio songs). You don't know anything about me. Stop telling people what you think I would do. This is ridiculous.

You are rude and not me. You don't even recognize it.
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Not, Alex, you started being rude with your coments about my age.
 
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I agree with Korgnex, this is far from the worst attack ever against Michael Jackson.
 
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Kapital77 said:
Not, Alex, you started being rude with your coments about my age.
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Asking "how old are you?" or saying "this is immature" is far from being rude. Now compare this - you are big fan of comparisons, aren't you? - with what you claim to know about me when you actually don't know anything about me but just assume it.
(Remember how you claimed that I would delete your uploads? Just another claim by you. You claim quite a lot.)


And now let's have peace here, please. I have no interest to argue with you. I have nothing personal against you. ;)
 
Kapital77;3331019 said:
I also don´t have any personal against you, Stefan.
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LOL! You're funny. :D


FYI: A person that also likes to claim many ridiculous things known as "kingofgames" (Andrea sth) who is one of the Italian scammers (mjjforum.IT / MJJShop / MJJMagazine etc.) posted this wrong info.

Maybe you remember his claims about the Thriller 25 book being fake because the Italian scammers couldn't sell it and missed out a chance to rip off the fans one more time.


"kingofgames" thinks I am Stefan Münstedt who was the site owner of JacksonVille, a former big German forum (which has nothing to do with JacksonVillage, the forum where I came from).
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Korgnex, Wow!
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Korgnex said:
No, I'd say the worst attacks against MJ were:
- the 1993 case
- Martin Bashir ruining Michael's life
- the 2005 case

This fraud (if true) would be an attack for us fans. Michael is dead.
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Aniram said:
I agree with Korgnex, this is far from the worst attack ever against Michael Jackson.
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How about his death? It's homicide.

and it really surprises me to come and see some only focusing and posting on this issue non-stop but do not even care about his homicide.
 
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Yes, I was going to say, isn't murder a little worse than this issue?
 
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ivy said:
How about his death? It's homicide.

and it really surprises me to come and see some only focusing and posting on this issue non-stop but do not even care about his homicide.
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Who are you to say that? There are a lot of those people who care about his homicide but don't proceed to post in those threads. Just as there are a lot of people who don't believe for one second it's Mike on those songs but have never posted in this thread even once.

I take offence to that.
 
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Pentum said:
LOL...................................................................... Anyone who thinks HT is NOT MJ, does NOT know MJ's voice. Yes, I just said that.
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My words.
But now I'm gonna shock you, i like Monster and BN. :bugeyed :yes: And listen to them often. Also now I enjoy more the throwback mix, then the album version of HT. After one month of non-stop listening to the album, i'm kind of sick of it.

To me the belivers haven't brought one logical precisely evident proof, why in no way this could be anyone other, then michael jackson.
And some here try so hard to stand their opinion. It totaly ok, that both sides come with arguments, but it's more like "don't you see that the guy on the picture is MJ", where even blind guy can see it's E-cassanova.
Same with those who insisting try to ignore the voice comparisons.

And that there are no confessions by any of the involved or no "offical proofs", doesn't say anything. If the truth always would come to light, the world would be better place. But it's not.
 
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Arklove said:
Who are you to say that? There are a lot of those people who care about his homicide but don't proceed to post in those threads. Just as there are a lot of people who don't believe for one second it's Mike on those songs but have never posted in this thread even once.

I take offence to that.
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If it doesn't apply to you then it doesn't apply to you. But there are some that only come to this section and do not visit other sections. there are some people on twitter whose sole focus is on the vocals debate. Plus I can't understand why you would take offense to that especially I wasn't aiming that to anyone specific in my post nor I limited it to members of MJJC.

And I also take offense to "worst attack on Michael" comment. So (not provable) fake vocals is the "worst" but "killing the man" is acceptable? Seriously?
 
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I am sorry... i did not end the phrase as i wanted.

I forgot to say: "worst attack againts the MJ music Legacy".
 
By the way, don´t worry, this thread will be sent to the controversy section, to the vault, to a place where nobody can listen to audio comparision etc... To a place where only the selected people can access with a password.

It´s amazing how is not important to create a section for this fraud to the MJ MUSIC LEGACY. It´s better to sent it to a section with password and that nobody can read it.
 
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Different people have different grieving processes. Some of us cannot deal with hearing all the details surrounding his death. For me personally, I find it painful to read the timeline of what Michael experienced in the last few hours of his life. I watched the memorial only once and I cannot watch it again. I read the autopsy only once and cannot read it again. I have to turn my head whenever they show the scenes of the the ambulence rushing to the hospital and the helicopter taking his body. I follow the Case sub-forum, but on a need-to-know basis. It's not that the information in that sub-forum does not interest me. It's just very painful for me to read all the posts. I want justice be served, but I don't want to be constantly reminded of that fateful day of June 25, 2009. Furthermore, I don't feel I have much valuable to add to the on-going discussion, that's why I don't post there.

We care. How can we not care about his homicide? We love this man so much.

I don't want to compare his homicide with this vocal authenticity issue. Two total different matters. Of course, his passing is the absolute worst, not just a little worse. To insinuate that we care more about this album than his homicide case is unfair.
 
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ivy said:
If it doesn't apply to you then it doesn't apply to you. But there are some that only come to this section and do not visit other sections. there are some people on twitter whose sole focus is on the vocals debate. Plus I can't understand why you would take offense to that especially I wasn't aiming that to anyone specific in my post nor I limited it to members of MJJC.

And I also take offense to "worst attack on Michael" comment. So (not provable) fake vocals is the "worst" but "killing the man" is acceptable? Seriously?
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What you did say was that some people constantly focus on only this issue and therefore don't 'care' about his homicide. How can you know that? Some people don't post in other threads for certain reasons, possibly personal. It doesn't mean they don't care. That is what is offensive to me.

I do agree it's not the worst attack on him, but it's certainly the worst attack on him musically.
 
For me, the homicide case it´s clear like "Water" and Murray will pay for his acts.

But i know he is not the only want who must be accused for the death of MJ. There are many doctors, Klein, etc... that used Propofol with Michael.

Murray will be on court.

Now, we also need that the Cascios go to a court for his acts against the Mj Music Legacy.

THEY ARE KILLING HIS MUSIC, HIS MUSIC HONOR.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

@Pentum, loving your siggy... pencake with strawberries and lotsa maple syrup is the best thing on earth... :wild:
 
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Why do some of the doubters seem to find pleasure and joy in this? It seems they're obsessed with making Malachi images and joking around about it.
 
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Kapital77 said:
I am sorry... i did not end the phrase as i wanted.

I forgot to say: "worst attack againts the MJ music Legacy".
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love is magical said:
I don't want to compare his homicide with this vocal authenticity issue. Two total different matters. Of course, his passing is the absolute worst, not just a little worse.
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Arklove said:
I do agree it's not the worst attack on him, but it's certainly the worst attack on him musically.
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The only reason I wrote that I thought that the initial post included every attack on Michael and I believe that comparing the vocals to his death was not acceptable.

If that's not what Kapital meant (as he corrected his previous statement) and that we all agree that vocals cannot be compared to his death then I'm taking back my statement as well. It's all good.
 
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ivy said:
The only reason I wrote that I thought that the initial post included every attack on Michael and I believe that comparing the vocals to his death was not acceptable.

If that's not what Kapital meant (as he corrected his previous statement) and that we all agree that vocals cannot be compared to his death then I'm taking back my statement as well. It's all good.
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Yes, it's all good :) As I said, I took offence to the 'not caring' statement you made. I'm one of those that don't post in the case threads, however, I lurk a lot....Doesn't mean I don't care.
 
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We operate by one rule in this thread and that is respect which we have not been seeing. Start respecting each others opinions, this isn't a who can shout loudest on the net competition.
 
Kapital77;3330995 said:
Ahhhh, password?.

Incredible !!!.

That it´s a good way to achieve nobody knows the truth and don´t let me enter to that section.
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Anyone can enter the conspiracy section, all you need is to email Gaz about getting the password. If you feel it's too much to do that, then this situation must not be of much importance.
 
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