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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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love is magical said:
woohoo! any special features they gonna put in, do you know?
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Not a clue :scratch:but judging on the fact that I and others have heard whispers about projects going on now for release AFTER OTW 30, it might be promising, because if they do less work on it the better (hopefully untouched demos) :wild:
 
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Birchey said:
Not a clue :scratch:but judging on the fact that I and others have heard whispers about projects going on now for release AFTER OTW 30, it might be promising, because if they do less work on it the better (hopefully untouched demos) :wild:
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Exactly, the less work the better. I don't trust those out-of-touch music executives.

No need to be fancy... Just include some untouched demos (like disc 2 of TII) and a few outtakes... And please, no more Fergie remix.

As far as remix, I think you can do a better job because you do it all for nothing but love and passion.
 
Kapital77;3327436 said:
Ok, thanks.

Some of the "Breaking news", "KYHU", and "Monster´s" lovers will have to wait till the next Jason Malachi´s album.
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Are you Jason Malachi's personal publicist lmao. In every post and on every MJ board that you are on, you are promoting him and getting him new fans. XD
 
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love is magical said:
I sincerely hope what you said is truly the case. I hope everyone involved in the Michael album would learn from the this mishap and do a better job in all future projects.

Don't underestimate Michael's fans. We breathe MJ everyday. We are more familiar with his voice than our own voice, We pay attention to the details. Fans cannot be fooled.

Don't treat Michael just like another popular singer who happened to be hugely successful commercially. Michael Jackson was an artist. He was a force of nature. Don't treat him like yet another deceased artist.

I still cannot forget what Sony and the Estate have done. They wasted a good opportunity. Michael's first posthumous release would have had a potential to be a much more successful album. Are they this out-of-touch? These are people who got paid huge money doing their jobs. Yet, they keep making bad decisions.

I hope they can be less calculated in their next attempt. Do what Michael would have done. Just put the best materials out. Adhere to Michael's artistic integrity. Take risk. Do it with love and respect.
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there are not enough "amens" in the world. I was nodding my head so much reading this post. I agree one million percent. well said, girl!
 
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Birchey said:
Not a clue :scratch:but judging on the fact that I and others have heard whispers about projects going on now for release AFTER OTW 30, it might be promising, because if they do less work on it the better (hopefully untouched demos) :wild:
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I wouldn't be so sure... Dr. Freeze already confirmed that the songs "A place with no name" and "Blue Gangsta" will be on the next album.. but the mixs will be different from the versions we know...

MJRemixed said:
I've heard the songs - they are all fake. Jason Malachi is all over them. Theres so much wrong with them!
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Have you heard the 12 Cascio tracks too?
 
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I can only speak for myself. But to be honest, I think an official apology from the estate/Sony would be in order. An apology to Michael Jackson, his family and fans.

The damage has been done, but a lot could be fixed if they'd only admit to what's been done. But sadly, I don't think that's ever gonna happen.
 
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How is it that all these remixers on the forum are hearing the unreleased Cascio tracks? What is going on?
 
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Worldwide said:
Are you Jason Malachi's personal publicist lmao. In every post and on every MJ board that you are on, you are promoting him and getting him new fans. XD
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I will continue to say the truth that Sony and Cascio don't want to be know by the fans.

You wasted your time making mix of Jason music, leaking a capellas, and hacking webs to fool fans and to defense Malachi.

I dont know who of both is making more promotion.

Are you.... Undiscovered II?.
 
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mjmax said:
Have you heard the 12 Cascio tracks too?
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It seems a lot of people have them...
 
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Why would you say you hope they keep them? We need this issue resolved and hearing any extra snippets from these 'Cascio Sessions' would be very very helpful right now.
 
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Kapital77 said:
I will continue to say the truth that Sony and Cascio don't want to be know by the fans.

You wasted your time making mix of Jason music, leaking a capellas, and hacking webs to fool fans and to defense Malachi.

I dont know who of both is making more promotion.

Are you.... Undiscovered II?.
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Yes I am Jason Malachi, I sang the tracks on Michael blah de blah.

No he didn't sing the tracks, you want to get answers, take sony to court. lol
 
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Aniram said:
Why would you say you hope they keep them? We need this issue resolved and hearing any extra snippets from these 'Cascio Sessions' would be very very helpful right now.
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I'm not really sure about this anymore. The voice is the same as the released ones. Why would it solve anything? Believers will just continue to say it's their Michael singing, and the "doubters" say it's not.
 
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Pentum said:
I'm not really sure about this anymore. The voice is the same as the released ones. Why would it solve anything? Believers will just continue to say it's their Michael singing, and the "doubters" say it's not.
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Yes, except the doubters are right (kidding!...or not :ninja:)

:lol:
 
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Pentum said:
I'm not really sure about this anymore. The voice is the same as the released ones. Why would it solve anything? Believers will just continue to say it's their Michael singing, and the "doubters" say it's not.
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Correct. A leak wouldn't help anyone.


Take it to the court, guys. You have the power to do so. It doesn't cost that much actually. You could organize a fundraising, start a campaign, join forces. Ask the hard-core collectors that are on your side to help you. Some of them are very rich.

There are many options to establish a case if you just want one.
 
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Korgnex said:
Correct. A leak wouldn't help anyone.


Take it to the court, guys. You have the power to do so. It doesn't cost that much actually. You could organize a fundraising, start a campaign, join forces. Ask the hard-core collectors that are on your side to help you. Some of them are very rich.

There are many options to establish a case if you just want one.
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Who do we bring the case against?
 
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Sony and The Cascios? If they were copying and pasting Michael Jackson breaths to fake these tracks in a 2010 session then it was mostly Sony's doing, no?
 
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Korgnex said:
Correct. A leak wouldn't help anyone.


Take it to the court, guys. You have the power to do so. It doesn't cost that much actually. You could organize a fundraising, start a campaign, join forces. Ask the hard-core collectors that are on your side to help you. Some of them are very rich.

There are many options to establish a case if you just want one.
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For goodness sake, can people stop saying "why don't you take it to court?"!!!!!!!!!!!

We have discussed this a gazillion times. It's nearly impossible for fans, who have no solid evidence, to obtain enough basis to move the case.

Anyone can start a litigation. Tom Sneddon could start one with no evidence. But, how far can we go? We are dealing with a corporation who did all the due diligence to get their big fat ugly asses covered.

Seriously, we all have jobs, a families and other obligations. But, we are still here talking this because Michael is close to our hearts.

Ask the hard-core collectors, they are rich. How rich? As rich as the Sony Corporation. Do these hard-core collectors recruit a team of legal experts on a full time basis?

Start a fund raising campaign? Give me a break. Please. Do we have enough energy to legally challenge all the social injustice that happened around us every single day?
 
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^^ well said love....and very true....How to proceed? Money? Time? EVIDENCE that will hold up since they've seemed to cover their arses fairly well...
 
Birchey, please, leak those snippes.

By the way, Korgnex, you can say whatever you want, we will continue to say that this is a fraud till the end of days and we will not stop to show everyone that it´s Jason Malachi.

You can´t hide the truth.
 
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Guys, you don't have solid evidance but You're 100 % sure that this is not MJ but Jason voice in cascio's trakcs? i just can't understand this...sorry

You're all the time talking about money. I think the most important thing in court is truth.

It is not about You don't have money to fight with sony, it is just lack of evidance...You guys base on your own amateur opinion - and You are totally right - You can't win in court with it.
 
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pushukrystian said:
Guys, you don't have solid evidance but You're 100 % sure that this is not MJ but Jason voice in cascio's trakcs? i just can't understand this...sorry.
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Don't generalize please. I'm sure it's not 100% MJ. However, never ever I mentioned it's 100% Jason Malachi. I honestly don't care whether it's Jason Malachi or his impersonator. I bought a Michael Jackson album. I expect to hear genuine Michael Jackson songs. Not songs composed of 2% MJ vocals and 98% regrugitations.

We have already explained I-don't-know-how-many-times why we don't think the Cascio tracks are Michael's. We don't have evidence. But, we have our instincts, our gut feelings, our years of listening experience to rely on. Say what you want about our feelings... I know our feelings are subjective. But, if listening to these songs cannot bring me the joy that I'm so used to when I listen to Michael, I know something is wrong. I like every single Michael Jackson song. I truly do. I just can't listen to Monster without feeling a knot in my stomach.

Many of us explained how we found the phrasing, the pronuniciation, the vibratos are off. The signature Michael Jackson habits, like the claps, the finger snaps, are absent.

You cannot understand us. In the mean time, I cannot understand how can so many people forget the initial reaction to the Breakng News stream. A overwhelming majority of people thought the song was fake when it streamed on line.


pushukrystian said:
You're all the time talking about money. I think the most important thing in court is truth.

It is not about You don't have money to fight with sony, it is just lack of evidance...You guys base on your own amateur opinion - and You are totally right - You can't win in court with it.
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Of course, it's not always about money. You are right. We don't have solid evidence. So, what's your suggestion? What can we do to obtain evidence? Hack into Eddie's computer?

We all want the truth. In court, truth is not the most important thing, however. Having a strong enough case to convince a majority of jurors is the key in civil case. Having a strong enough case to covince the jury beyond any reasonable doubt is the key in criminal case.

Is truth the same as having a strong enough case? I hope so. But, there are exceptions.
 
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If the important thing is ascertaining the truth, then people on the other side of the fence should want this to go to court too.
 
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I feel some are making excuses for this issue not being in court. It's not just about the fans, but if this were a serious issue, the family can take it to court. Tony Kurtis with his stance and claim, could open litigation to the issue, at the very least the fans can sue for consumer fraud. There's options, just seems nobody wants to use them.
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
I feel some are making excuses for this issue not being in court. It's not just about the fans, but if this were a serious issue, the family can take it to court. Tony Kurtis with his stance and claim, could open litigation to the issue, at the very least the fans can sue for consumer fraud. There's options, just seems nobody wants to use them.
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At the very least, fans can sue for consumer fraud. Really? I thought the disclamier put by Sony at the back of the album pretty much shut up such option.

I can't speak for Tony Kurtis or the family. As for myself, I'm just being realistic.
 
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I'm starting to doubt that people actually do have all 12 tracks etc. Something would have leaked by now. Also, questions about lyrical content etc have gone unanswered. On top of that, with the exception of the three songs on the album, the remaining material has not been copyrighted. There is no legal reason why this stuff, it it helps to give a better understanding, should not be made available to all fans. But like I said, I'm beginning to question its existence.
 
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biohazard4 said:
I'm starting to doubt that people actually do have all 12 tracks etc. Something would have leaked by now. Also, questions about lyrical content etc have gone unanswered. On top of that, with the exception of the three songs on the album, the remaining material has not been copyrighted. There is no legal reason why this stuff, it it helps to give a better understanding, should not be made available to all fans. But like I said, I'm beginning to question its existence.
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Might it not occur to you that the people who have these tracks, might actually respect the laws somewhat and nto want to leak for personal reasons also?
 
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Birchey said:
Might it not occur to you that the people who have these tracks, might actually respect the laws somewhat and nto want to leak for personal reasons also?
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But that's my point, the material you allegedly have is, to the best of my knowledge, not copyrighted. Obviously with the exception of that which pertains to Keep Your Head Up, Monster and Breaking News. If, as you state, this material seems to show a 99% likelihood, in your opinion, that it is Jason singing, then it's not like they respected any laws in the first place. It is the fans who are the victims of this potential fraud. Suffice to say, that as soon as I have said material myself, which should be soon, I will post the whole lot.
 
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