Michael - The Great Album Debate

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Computer says no:

Filing for Bankruptcy doesn't necessarily mean one is broke.


From the time of 2006 and 2010, he had some time to stabilize his assets. Even before that, being in debt doesn't mean one is "wasted out, broke".
 
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Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Teddy lied for Money. Plain and simple.
He was a wash out, broke. He needed recognition he needed the status again, he needed the cash. So he did what he did. He associated himself with the Cascios and their fake tracks.
Thats why he was so genuinely pleased when he got to work on a REAL Michael Jackson track eventually, being Hollywood Tonight.

Filing for Bankruptcy doesn't necessarily mean one is broke.


From the time of 2006 and 2010, he had some time to stabilize his assets. Even before that, being in debt doesn't mean one is "wasted out, broke".

fyi - some bankruptcy information

Katherine and Joe filed for bankruptcy in 90s. They still owe $13.6 million in monetary judgement.
Jermaine filed for bankruptcy in 1995. As of 2011 he says he doesn't earn any money and broke. He's back on $100,000 child support.
Latoya filed for bankruptcy in the 90s as well. As of today her bankruptcy is still active. Court documents say that her income is basically royalties and are minimal (therefore cannot cover her debts).
Tito also had bankruptcy in the 90s however there's no information about it's current status.

and an interesting read about Teddy Riley's bankruptcy from 2008

" The thing that pissed me off the most was that these rumors weren't all entirely true, and damage control could not resolve this situation. Here is the truth people, Teddy Riley is NOT broke. I repeat, not broke.

Teddy lives in a stunning mansion in Atlanta, fit for a king... the king of new jack swing. He has one of the dopest houses I have ever been in, and I have visited some amazing cribs in my life. His driveway is laced with several luxurious cars including a Mercedes Benz Maybach. Teddy has a multi-million dollar tour bus with its own state-of-the art-recording studio that has voice-activated gear. His personal recording studio in Atlanta is simply unbelievable; it reminds me of a futuristic spacecraft, like something you would only see in movies. Teddy Riley has been blessed. Contrary to the media reports, his Future Records recording studio in Virginia is not outdated. Granted, the gear is old, but is considered vintage and is the choice recording preference of many A-list super producers who prefer the warm analog sound over digital. The equipment in this studio is priceless and it would be would hard to establish a value for it. The studio in Virginia is one of the most important studios in music history and it should be preserved and recognized as a national monument. Some of the most popular songs of all time have been created at this studio.

So while all these media reports are flying around about his bankrupt studio in Virginia, Teddy has been kicking back in his Atlanta studio making hit records for Snoop Dogg, Tank and Jamie Foxx. Teddy also just formed a company called QDJ with both DJ Quick and Snoop Dogg. This newly formed company will change the music industry as we know it. With over 200 million records sold, Teddy's discography includes credits on more than 460 songs. He has produced 10 platinum albums, 22 platinum singles and 11 gold singles. "

for full article

http://www.hiphop-elements.com/article/read/4/15463/1/
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Hi guys, thanks to this post , I have been banned from MJSTAR forum...which is a SOLD OUT MJ fan club.
A fan club that from day 1 was stating that the cascio songs were NOT sang by MJ, that than got forced by Sony and MJ Estate to support the songs nd the new album , because if NOT, they would have lost their support, hence MJ previews on projects and things like that....when 2 days ago, I shared this link on this forum, pointing to the loser mj members that are on the mjstar forum, to join this discussion to understand more about the cascio sngs, I got banned....and I think I got banned , because the link to this forum was banned/censored and when I tried to overraid that banning, spelling worl b wold the link of this community so that it could show up on their pages....the next day, they cicked me off, with no advice....
To tell u the truth , I am happy to have been kicked, because on that private MJ forum, there are many trash MJ fans, that instead of supporting MJ, they support sony and M Estate ad all they trash projects that they are publishing in the name of MJ. There are many people on that forum that believe is MJ singing the Cascio songs, which I do NOT think so. I do NOT hear MJ singing in breaking news or the other cascio songs...because of trembling voicee, words pronunciations, and way of creating a song...no bit boxing ecc...there are NO MJ trademarks and MJ distinct voice...in few words...it is NOT MJ singing on the cascio song, and there are no hard proof to support sony and MJ estate statements....this story was about $$$ from day 1, and MJ family silence was bought in exchange of money that do NOT have.....

I hate MJ Estate and sony for having ruined my idol....I wished NO album or music or videos regarding MJ, just justice for MJ, and I do NOT mean just Murray in jail, who is the final murder, but all the people that pushed our MJ to the extreme....

Nothing that has been done so far for MJ is up to the par of the greatness of our idol. MJ was a perfectionist and nothing that came out so far is even at the par of the worst musician on this earth (see videos of Hold My hand, HT and Behind he mask.....who cares of other MJ fans tribute ?.....give me original MJ videos...example:
create a Mj 3D cartoon based on real MJ video and picture footages and make a voice for him, using the best and unique teqnique n the world using the original MJ voice recorded in speaches. Make this MJ cartoon able to act next to REAL human actor (like n the old roger rabit movies) and create cartoond and videos for kids and adults. Create in the biggest world theme parks , 3D MJ interactive games/ movies, where u can go in a theater , wear a suit and gloves and glasses, and act and dance in MJ movies or games, next to MJ 3D virtual reality person. The kids can decide how the story goes, and act and dance next to a REAL 3D human MJ. U can interact with him.. I would put a huge 3D screen outside the theater so that all the kids that pass next to the theater can see other kids dancing and action in the movie/ game with MJ. They can see piece of it, this for advertising it.....I would make videos based on never before seen MJ candid footages..I would re-relese old MJ albums in blue ray, video album recording session format...hence, all the old albums but where we can see MJ in the studio recording that song...so imagine all the Dangerous album, and see all the songs in video format of MJ singing the songs in the studio recording session....

These people of MJ Estate and Sony are just using MJ, but they do NOT are of us and MJ....I would work for free for MJ and give the best to all MJ fans in the world..I would NOT get anything in exchange, no exclusive or nothing....give my time for free and for NOTHING in exchange, no money, nothing, just to give all MJ fans the best they deserve frm the best artist on this planet !!!!


Just a heads up, you won't last very long with statements like these.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Marco is right.

Many forums only go with Sony and the Estate because they have the power right now.

They don't think about say the truth and defend Mj, they go with Sony because they feed them with previews, snippes of music, and the ilusion of thinking that Sony is Mj.

The power of money and the power of the people who have the right to release anything about Mj.

Thats not new, i saw it for myself.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Thing is, there's no definite truth to either side of the argument. There isn't anything objective as far as proof is concerned to benefit whether Michael is or isn't on these songs. No matter how many times you rather repeat yourself and force your belief onto yourself and others, there's nothing really to support it. Until such proof is released, people are entitled to their own opinions and own form's of "truth".
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Yup and all the Future Records acetates hit ebay, meaning he not only fucked himself up he gave lots of Michaels unfinished music away in the process!

And what about the status. Michael Jackson dies. He's dead. An icon is gone. A living ledgend is gone forever. What better way to revive your career than to work on Michael Jackson's first posthumous album. Doesn't matter whether he sings the songs or not. As long as his name was attached to the album production it didn't matter. He would do anything for Money. He wanted Hollywood Tonight, as long as he got that one track more so than the others, he got what he wanted.

What happened to Bryan Loren, Jam & Lewis, Quincey Jones, Darkchild, Will.I.Am, RedOne ???
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I wish everyone a pleasant debating. I won't be around any longer as I realize that I got reported for apprently insulting people when calling them "Cascio defenders", and even got a warning "for insulting people" in private for that by a senior staff. It was nice talking to all of you. Thanks for your valuable info and moments that we spent together. Bye

POST SCRIPTUM as my answer to all those who reported me in this thread:

Issued by MJJC News staff on the very first page of this thread:

This thread is created purely for those who wish to discuss the authenticity and thier opinions of the Album "Michael"

The will be no talk of those who believe this is Michael and support this album.

Lets dissect analyse and make our feelings and concerns known - In a respectful manner of course.

If you do not agree with those wish to discuss in this manner then please do not come here to read and respond.

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Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)
This thread is created purely for those who wish to discuss the authenticity and thier opinions of the Album "Michael"

The will be no talk of those who believe this is Michael and support this album.

Lets dissect analyse and make our feelings and concerns known - In a respectful manner of course.

If you do not agree with those wish to discuss in this manner then please do not come here to read and respond.

Edited Thread title and description disclaimer:

Members coming into this thread you do so at you own responsibility, if you do not like the tone or what is being said here then you are duly asked to steer clear of this thread, as of now we will not accept any responsibility should members complain about what is written or if debates get out of hand. again it is your own responsibility as to whether you come in here and what your participation might be.

 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Bumper, we must continue fighting against this fraud and against the people who support it.

We can't let it go. We must fight for MJ till the end, no matter what happens between.

This is the worst attack against the Mj's music legacy.

It's sure some of the Cascio's and Jason Malachi are defending the tracks on this post.

There are many trolls, and many of them works for Sony.

You can't give up.
 
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Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Thank-you Bumper for the reminder :flowers:

Seems many people here have very short memories.
(No wonder they forget what Michael really sounds like!)
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Bumper, we must continue fighting against this fraud and against the people who support it.

We can't let it go. We must fight for MJ till the end, no matter what happens between.

This is the worst attack against the Mj's music legacy.

It's sure some of the Cascio's and Jason Malachi are defending the tracks on this post.

There are many trolls, and many of them works for Sony.

You can't give up.

If trolls "worked" FOR SONY, then would they be posting HERE? Wasting time trying to convince people who have already thought the tracks are "FAKE"?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

If trolls "worked" FOR SONY, then would they be posting HERE? Wasting time trying to convince people who have already thought the tracks are "FAKE"?

Anything is possible.

Anyway, so who is going to leak another track which we can manipulate and destroy :p
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Anything is possible.

Anyway, so who is going to leak another track which we can manipulate and destroy :p

Me wants Cascio tracks leaked :D.I like them :dance:
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

If trolls "worked" FOR SONY, then would they be posting HERE? Wasting time trying to convince people who have already thought the tracks are "FAKE"?

If i were a Ca$hcio or Malachi, i would do it.

By the way, Jason dude just did it a few years ago when he fooled many fans with 'Let me let go' and 'Mamacita'.

It's sure that they read the post to catch the links of the comparisons to erase them from You Tube or Megaupload. They can't live without this post.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Let Me Go & Mamacita sound NOTHING like MJ. You can tell it's not him right from the get go of the songs.
 
The only diference between "Let me let go" & "Mamacita" vs "Breaking news", "Monster" and "Keep your head up" is that Sony released them in an album called "MICHAEL," the adlibs from Mj's songs, and that they used Teddy Riley and Tricky Stewart in the final production.

:boohoo

It´s the same singer.
 
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Just a heads up, you won't last very long with statements like these.

I know, people do NOT like the truth...that is why I did NOT lasted on MJ STAR forum....but I am NOT a SOLD OUT MJ fan, I care ONLY for MJ, and no one can buy me, because MJ thought me so, to fight and to defend the interests of the people in need. MJ was always producing projects with his own money , and he was spending more money on his project than he was making them in return...because he wanted to give us the best to be the best and he was the best. They are NOT doing that, they are ruining MJ art, dividing MJ fans, buying MJ fan clubs, spreading among us people that work for them to confuse us and brain wash us. Until I am alive, I will keep figting for MJ and MJ only like I have done for more than 25 years of being MJ fan....

Thing is, there's no definite truth to either side of the argument. There isn't anything objective as far as proof is concerned to benefit whether Michael is or isn't on these songs. No matter how many times you rather repeat yourself and force your belief onto yourself and others, there's nothing really to support it. Until such proof is released, people are entitled to their own opinions and own form's of "truth".

Yes that is true, but that is exaclty why I will never believe that the cascio songs are sang by MJ.....because there are no proofs to support that...they are NOT even themselves sure...BUT....we,fans, KNOW MJ....they do NOT know anything of MJ...we are the ones that listen to MJ since born, we know more than musicologist or else MJ voice and techniques..becasue they worked few time with mj..I listen to mj everyday of my life for hours for more than 25 years....untill they do NOT prove me that is MJ singing , I will say that is NOT MJ singing, because I believe my ears....NOT what others want to make me believe based on NOTHING..because they do NOT have notheing , like I do NOT have nothing.....

Marco is right.

Many forums only go with Sony and the Estate because they have the power right now.

They don't think about say the truth and defend Mj, they go with Sony because they feed them with previews, snippes of music, and the ilusion of thinking that Sony is Mj.

The power of money and the power of the people who have the right to release anything about Mj.

Thats not new, i saw it for myself.

Thank you for your support, I am glad to see that I am NOT the only crazy fan on this earth, because you know, that is what they want to pass us to, as CRAZY MJ FAN, and they are shutting us off...we are a problem for them, but they do nto understand that we buy the records, videos,projects....thy will never ever see any more $$$ from me, and I was a MJ collectionist..I bought everything from MJ, even repeated/old MJ compilation that were released over and over for MJ. I was doing it for MJ, to give him the ability to light my life with more of his music, but instead these new entities in charge, are turning off my light, my star, and I am NOT going to help to do them, to ruin my myth.....I will keep the great memories that MJ left me when alive..I do NOT want altered MJ demos, I want the original MJ demos, I want the best projects for my MJ....
 
Kapital77;3325475 said:
The only diference between "Let me let go" & "Mamacita" vs "Breaking news", "Monster" and "Keep your head up" is that Sony released them in an album called "MICHAEL," the adlibs from Mj's songs, and that they used Teddy Riley and Tricky Stewart in the final production.

:boohoo

It´s the same singer.

And its the same singer, our tubby little friend, Jason Malachi on:

Stay
All Right
Black Widow
Burn 2 Nite
All I Need
Water
Fall In Love
Ready 2 Win
Soldier Boy

+ A few real MJ aaaows, ahh's and breaths thrown in for good measure.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

So this thread is no longer moderated?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

So this thread is no longer moderated?

If moderate = censoring people thoughts.....better NOT having it moderated .....

People have to be free to spread their thoughts and show their brlieve and their findings on the matter....things can NOT go hidden because the ones in charge decide so....
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Well I feel having been disrespected.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Well I feel having been disrespected.

That is because u know too much and THEY want to shut YOU off, BUT , u DO NOT have to give up, because you are one of the few person to HOPE into.
You are the only hope that we and MJ have to see all this mess revealed...YOU have to DO IT for MJ....U love MJ, and go to hell the person that disrespect you..ME, other Fans and most important MJ respect you, because you are doing what is RIGHT and what MJ would have done if alive...RESPECT HIS FANS...not using fake mj impersonator voice to sell albums....MJ would NOT be proud of this...he would be proud of what u do...DO NOT GIVE UP !!! Do it for the LOVE of MJ !!!!
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Great answer Marco.

Glad you came here.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Great answer Marco.

Glad you came here.

I am happy to be here and meet other MJ fans with whome I can share my opinion. I am NOT sure how long we will be able talk so freely . I have the impression that even on this forum, there are some so called MJ fans and mj estate and sony insiders that want to shout our mouth, but NOT with proofs , but with the force of impose to us what they want us to make believe...it would have been so simple to show the world concrete proofs that is MJ singin ghr cascio songs...instead...nothing...they want to sell us some words....with no hard proofs....and frankly, I trust more my ears that some people that are making money ove MJ dead body, because u have to know, for me sony, MJ Estate and MJ Online team, are NOTHING. They are entities that are right now in charge because MJ was in my opinion killed buy the same people that now are making money over his dead body.....I will never know which is the real truth, but I believe that everything stinks, and I will NOT let go this...
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

That is because u know too much and THEY want to shut YOU off, BUT , u DO NOT have to give up, because you are one of the few person to HOPE into.


BUMPER_SNIPPET knows too much?
"THEY" want to shut him off?


Hmm, did I miss sth?



YOU have to DO IT for MJ


You think you are doing this for MJ? HOW??



ME, other Fans and most important MJ respect you, because you are doing what is RIGHT and what MJ would have done if alive


What you are doing shall be RIGHT?

If you had actual proof, your actions would indeed be RIGHT, yes, and I would join you.
So far the only thing that has happened is accusing people of fraud. Heavy accusations by anonymous people on the net.

No legal steps were taken. NOTHING. No-one really cares as long as they can do name-calling on the web.


I seriously doubt this can be considered to be RIGHT.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

BUMPER_SNIPPET knows too much?
"THEY" want to shut him off?


Hmm, did I miss sth?






You think you are doing this for MJ? HOW??






What you are doing shall be RIGHT?

If you had actual proof, your actions would indeed be RIGHT, yes, and I would join you.
So far the only thing that has happened is accusing people of fraud. Heavy accusations by anonymous people on the net.

No legal steps were taken. NOTHING. No-one really cares as long as they can do name-calling on the web.


I seriously doubt this can be considered to be RIGHT.


It is NOT fair to fool us around with songs that do NOT sound like sang by MJ.
Remeber that the ones that saied that these songs were NOT sang by MJ were :

1) MJ family

2) half of the estate

All of them were NOT even sure of the authenticity of the songs, because hey do NOT have any proof to prove us that MJ REALLY sand those songs....we have our ears to judge , and if u allow me, I TRUST MORE my ears than the ones of others that want to sell me their believing that it is MJ singing .

Again, it would hav been so simple to prove us that the songs were sang by MJ, giving us proofs....they did NOT , because they do NOT have roofs that is MJ singing....they have their dubts too..

For me NO proofs that is MJ singing = NOT MJ singing, because my ears are my proofs until they show me differently.....hence never..becuase they do NOT have anything to proove the songs are real....where are the videos ? where are the scientific tests that the songs are sang by MJ...wavelenght comparisons...ecc...NOTHING...they have NOTHING of this...
also the fact than people were shut their mouth off on the songs (see Jackson family) , stinks even more...everything for $$$, that is the answer....

We were NOT the first one complaining about the songs...all these stupid statements from MJ estate and videos , with the stupid excuse of MJ singing in the shower...ridiculous...and the fake face of teddy riley that when u keep asking him: do the cascio have videos that MJ is singing the songs...he say yes...when u ask him, when they do not show them to us, he does NOT reply....a pile of trash..that what those songs are ....like whoever is behind all this mess of these songs...
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

BUMPER_SNIPPET knows too much?
"THEY" want to shut him off?


Hmm, did I miss sth?






You think you are doing this for MJ? HOW??






What you are doing shall be RIGHT?

If you had actual proof, your actions would indeed be RIGHT, yes, and I would join you.
So far the only thing that has happened is accusing people of fraud. Heavy accusations by anonymous people on the net.

No legal steps were taken. NOTHING. No-one really cares as long as they can do name-calling on the web.


I seriously doubt this can be considered to be RIGHT.

It is RIGHT to uncover the truth...lies are behind the cascio songs and the truth has to come out...for the truth to come out you have to fight and support people that have info on the matter, that can make comparison, show proofs, gather as many info possible and put them all on the table, than u leave people the choice to decide their opinion...I do NOT base my opinion on what some entities (that I will never respect) different from MJ , want to sell me....I base my opinion on what I believe
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

for the truth to come out you have to fight and support people that have info on the matter, that can make comparison, show proofs, gather as many info possible and put them all on the table, than u leave people the choice to decide their opinion


And WHERE is any kind of actual proof for an alleged fraud?

Has there ever been any? The answer is: NO!


Don't tell me that you think comparison videos would be proof. They are NOT, they only demonstrate very well how DIFFERENT people hear (or imagine to hear) things.


Do you understand the meaning of "PREJUDICE IS IGNORANCE"?
You do NOT know if they have actual proof. Just because they have no interest to show us what they have doesn't mean that it doesn't exist at all.

Take them to the court. That's the only way to fight for the truth. Join forces with people on your side, open a campaign or whatever.
It's your side's task - so to say - to take this into a court if no-one else does.
People that believe it's MJ surely won't take it into a court as there's no need for them to do so.

Arguing with other fans with a different opinion doesn't help anyone. It only ruins the mood on the forums and splits the fanbase because some people are so tired of the discussion that they avoid the forums.
Or some fans are even accusing each other of being "spies", "traitors", "no real fans" etc.

Is that what you want to see? I find those things HORRIBLE to see and I think you agree with me on this.
 
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Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

It is RIGHT to uncover the truth...lies are behind the cascio songs and the truth has to come out...for the truth to come out you have to fight and support people that have info on the matter, that can make comparison, show proofs, gather as many info possible and put them all on the table, than u leave people the choice to decide their opinion...I do NOT base my opinion on what some entities (that I will never respect) different from MJ , want to sell me....I base my opinion on what I believe


Since long I didn't post here anymore. Today however I'ld like to give my 2 cents.
I am not a person who would feel right accusing people without sufficient proof. But when I had sufficient proof and could bring people together or make richer people warm for it, I would not wait to bring it to court. I don't believe in just opinion-making actions without legal action in court. I don't know, for me it smells like "tar and feathers age", punishing the wrongdoers ourselves, taking law in our own hands. I don't like that. We are not Justice incarnate. But when the goal of opinion-making is to get justice done, is making the case brought to court, then and only then I could support it.
If not, it is an anarchic outburst of egos craving for notoriety and power. The goal is ego, not justice.
This is the moment I had to express my thought, I do it once and for the last time, that is enough for me.
I'm in peace inside and I hope for you all the same.

With respect for all good meanings.
 
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Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Birchey is that amazing new song as good as "Slave To The Rhythm"?
Is it recent (post HIStory)?

I'm thinking about the song that could be included on a new album.
 
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