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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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Aniram said:
Sony and The Estate just need to be encouraged to share more. And the fans aren't asking that they share everything, just some real solid evidence.
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To be fair, even the fans aren't sharing this stuff at the moment.... :(
 
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There should be a time when we move on. They tried to fools and did in the begining. But chances are that the truth will never be told. We may have come to the conclusion that some youtube copy cat made the vocals, but that is maybe the most we can do. At the moment we don't have any proof to take the whole thing to court. It is really sad , because the album should have made us happy and bring us joy after the hard times that we had experienced. Instead what it made is that it devided us and now fans are hurt and prefer to stay away from everything related to the topic. But bare in mind that, and I quote:
"You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time. "
Abraham Lincoln
 
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We will know the truth... I will never let it go; ever. There are groups of fans who will not let this go...and have actively been trying to make movements behind the scenes.

It sickens me that not only have we lost Michael... the people involved in protecting his legacy are so incompetent that they allow a selection of fake songs to make it onto an album that is released worldwide - it is DISGUSTING.

All of you who bought the album - you have been deceived. This will not rest and it will not be forgotten. The cascios and whoever is involved in this will not sweep this under the carpet.

It isn't just those sneaky thrifty Cascios either; its Teddy "Sellout" Riley. He knew the tracks were fake, he knew it when he was mixing them... he's lost all credibility. Noone works with him anymore... his only followers on twitter are MJ fans - half of which hate him and give him constant abuse because hes a sellout. If you take teddys skull cap off him there is a coin slot.

Oh and Jason ... if you're reading this... honesty really is the best policy, thats the only possible way for you to even slightly dodge this shit storm.
 
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^^^ :clapping: :clapping:

Absolutely..I will NEVER let this go...Michael was like family to me and what's been done to him is absolutely sick.
 
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Ditto.

This shall not pass.


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after all this time do I still need to post reminders that you cannot post stuff insulting another people's opinion and grouping fans into "real , false" , "right , wrong" , "deaf , not deaf".

rules are simple - write your opinion without insulting the opposite opinions/members.

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reminder of the basic rules copied below

- please do not derail the thread - this is not a thread about best - worst songs of Michael or politics
- do not belittle people's efforts that goes into posts / videos etc
- Do not use words like "stupid, idiotic" in regards to other people's posts and ideas - remember the rule of respect
- Immediately stop calling people "deaf (functioning - non functioning ears), dishonest, liars, real fan / not real fan , hurting Michael's legacy" etc
 
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ivy said:
after all this time do I still need to post reminders that you cannot post stuff insulting another people's opinion and grouping fans into "real , false" , "right , wrong" , "deaf , not deaf".

rules are simple - write your opinion without insulting the opposite opinions/members.
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Ok Ivy, if we are in the mood for deleting and censoring in order to win an argument... i will re-word my statement...

I personally think and believe that people who think those songs are real are in serious need of a second, third, fourth, fifth and sixth listen.

In fact, just keep listening until the penny finally drops.

BUT THATS JUST MY OPINION.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Cartman, when and where did the Cascio's claim that these were recorded 'down the phone'.
 
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@ Cartman: I also wish this issue to be resolved for the sake of piece within the MJ community.

However I also hope that IF you're not part of the winning party, you will have the courage to stand corrected as I will do if I'm not part of the winning party.


This also applies to MJRemixed, Kapital77, Pentum, Alec, BUMPER_SNIPPET and lots of other fans here that all think they are right (INCLUDING me!) because they know Michael Jackson's voice, work, life and character in every tiny detail.

That's what caused the whole "drama". We all think we're better experts when it comes to Michael Jackson. But some of us (INCLUDING me!) may be proven wrong...
 
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Cartman said:
Ok Ivy, if we are in the mood for deleting and censoring in order to win an argument... i will re-word my statement...
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I'm not in a mood for deleting and I'm not trying to win an argument.

- your post got reported hence a mod action is taken, it's as simple as that.
- I posted a rules basic that we had for months
- you further not listening to the warning and further adding insults / accusations (towards me) wouldn't help your posts
- if you have further questions pm me.
 
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Korgnex said:
@ Cartman: I also wish this issue to be resolved for the sake of piece within the MJ community.

However I also hope that IF you're not part of the winning party, you will have the courage to stand corrected as I will do if I'm not part of the winning party.


This also applies to MJRemixed, Kapital77, Pentum, Alec, BUMPER_SNIPPET and lots of other fans here that all think they are right (INCLUDING me!) because they know Michael Jackson's voice, work, life and character in every tiny detail.

That's what caused the whole "drama". We all think we're better experts when it comes to Michael Jackson. But some of us (INCLUDING me!) may be proven wrong...
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Korgnex, If solid proof comes out that these songs are Michael, i.e. studio footage of him singing them... (which was going to be shown according to certain individuals, when this whole thing blew up...but never did) then I will tattoo Jason Malachis name on my left buttock, along with a very pretty pink heart.
 
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Cartman, you ignored my question. Where is the evidence that the Cascio's said Michael recorded these down a phone?
 
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Aniram said:
Cartman, you ignored my question. Where is the evidence that the Cascio's said Michael recorded these down a phone?
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There was a long article about it when this crap first kicked off with Cascio being quoted, the only version of it i can find this second is here:

http://perezhilton.com/2010-11-09-m...-posthumous-album-over-the-phone-to-producers

I know perez hilton is an idiot, but just for the sake of referrence.


My main argument isnt what they have said, though... its that, if you listen.... you can hear its not Michael. Michaels own family have confirmed its not him. Everyone really needs to see this for what it is.

I hate seeing fans that have been fooled by it all, it breaks my heart. Really does.

Imagine how Michael would feel.. knowing that quite a lot of fans believe fake vocals are infact his own vocals...
 
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^^ Fyi : The original source for it is "The Sun". The same media that came up with the leaked autopsy report which turned out to be completely false, claimed Michael had skin cancer and that he died of demerol injection.
 
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Yeah, when I read the article it seemed very laughable to me and to hear it's from The Sun it becomes clear it's probably a joke.
 
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Cartman said:
We will know the truth... I will never let it go; ever. There are groups of fans who will not let this go...and have actively been trying to make movements behind the scenes.

I will not allow Michaels musical legacy to be urinated on by a bunch of so called "friends" for their own financial gain. It sickens me that not only have we lost Michael... the people involved in protecting his legacy are so incompetent that they allow a selection of fake songs to make it onto an album that is released worldwide - it is DISGUSTING.

All of you who bought the album - you have been deceived by a bunch of bastards. This will not rest and it will not be forgotten. The cascios and whoever is involved in this will not sweep this under the carpet.

It isn't just those sneaky thrifty Cascio bastards either; its Teddy "Sellout" Riley. That snake knows the tracks are fake, he knew it when he was mixing them... he's lost all credibility. Noone works with him anymore... his only followers on twitter are MJ fans - half of which hate him and give him constant abuse because hes a sellout. If you take teddys skull cap off him there is a coin slot.

This shit is as raw a ever.

Oh and Jason ... if you're reading this... honesty really is the best policy, thats the only possible way for you to even slightly dodge this shit storm.
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He didn't have the easiest time getting work before this either. This recent situation has little to do with it, honestly.
 
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Teddy lied for Money. Plain and simple.
He was a wash out, broke. He needed recognition he needed the status again, he needed the cash. So he did what he did. He associated himself with the Cascios and their fake tracks.
Thats why he was so genuinely pleased when he got to work on a REAL Michael Jackson track eventually, being Hollywood Tonight.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^ Was Teddy not getting any money whatsoever for his previously credited work?
 
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I just watched This Is It again. There's a segment about getting TWYMMF to sound just right:

I want it the way I wrote it...
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There have been some cheeky liberties taken with these tracks. Much more than were needed.
 
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Can someone with Twitter ask Teddy Riley:

If you 100% its MJ on tracks then lets hear some raw acapella - do it for the fans and prev hitstory with MJ you owe it ur2elf
 
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I don't think Michael had anything to do with those tracks, period. They are not his style.

THey have been written and produced (demo) desperately to TRY and sound like Michael had something to do with them. But the effort is very poor.

Teddy will most likely only have raw acapella's that the cascio's supplied to him. Meaning he only worked with what he was given. Cascios had probably done their 'tricks' already with those vocals before they handed them over.
 
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What's so not his style about the songs? They are all his style, in my opinion. Uplifting, dancey, melodic, different.
 
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I must have been mistaken all these years of listening to Michael. I thought Michael was innovative.
I hadn't realised he was trying to revive that cheap, commercial, RnB sound from the 90's that dominated most of the world with the Cascio demo's.
 
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MJRemixed said:
Teddy lied for Money. Plain and simple.
He was a wash out, broke. He needed recognition he needed the status again, he needed the cash. So he did what he did. He associated himself with the Cascios and their fake tracks.
Thats why he was so genuinely pleased when he got to work on a REAL Michael Jackson track eventually, being Hollywood Tonight.
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False.
 
AnnieRUOkay89;3324669 said:
False.
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Computer says no:

In 2002, Riley filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. He emerged from bankruptcy a year later, but that didn’t stop his money troubles. In 2004, the Internal Revenue Service filed a $1 million lien against Riley for unpaid income taxes. In 2006, Riley was forced to sell his house in the ritzy Church Point neighborhood for $1.5 million to pay off federal and city taxes, as well as the home’s mortgage. Last year, the IRS filed another tax lien against Riley for $196,747. And just last month, the state filed a $93,684 income tax lien against Riley. The studio, too, is mired in debt. In 2005, Riley borrowed $700,000 against the studio from a local lender, Equitable Relocation Services Inc. Riley defaulted on that loan, and the lender won a $700,000 judgment against him in 2006.

http://www.xxlmag.com/bloggers/2008/02/when-it-all-falls-down-2/
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Yup and all the Future Records acetates hit ebay, meaning he not only fucked himself up he gave lots of Michaels unfinished music away in the process!
 
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flying monkey
 
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Hi guys, thanks to this post , I have been banned from MJSTAR forum...which is a SOLD OUT MJ fan club.
A fan club that from day 1 was stating that the cascio songs were NOT sang by MJ, that than got forced by Sony and MJ Estate to support the songs nd the new album , because if NOT, they would have lost their support, hence MJ previews on projects and things like that....when 2 days ago, I shared this link on this forum, pointing to the loser mj members that are on the mjstar forum, to join this discussion to understand more about the cascio sngs, I got banned....and I think I got banned , because the link to this forum was banned/censored and when I tried to overraid that banning, spelling worl b wold the link of this community so that it could show up on their pages....the next day, they cicked me off, with no advice....
To tell u the truth , I am happy to have been kicked, because on that private MJ forum, there are many trash MJ fans, that instead of supporting MJ, they support sony and M Estate ad all they trash projects that they are publishing in the name of MJ. There are many people on that forum that believe is MJ singing the Cascio songs, which I do NOT think so. I do NOT hear MJ singing in breaking news or the other cascio songs...because of trembling voicee, words pronunciations, and way of creating a song...no bit boxing ecc...there are NO MJ trademarks and MJ distinct voice...in few words...it is NOT MJ singing on the cascio song, and there are no hard proof to support sony and MJ estate statements....this story was about $$$ from day 1, and MJ family silence was bought in exchange of money that do NOT have.....

I hate MJ Estate and sony for having ruined my idol....I wished NO album or music or videos regarding MJ, just justice for MJ, and I do NOT mean just Murray in jail, who is the final murder, but all the people that pushed our MJ to the extreme....

Nothing that has been done so far for MJ is up to the par of the greatness of our idol. MJ was a perfectionist and nothing that came out so far is even at the par of the worst musician on this earth (see videos of Hold My hand, HT and Behind he mask.....who cares of other MJ fans tribute ?.....give me original MJ videos...example:
create a Mj 3D cartoon based on real MJ video and picture footages and make a voice for him, using the best and unique teqnique n the world using the original MJ voice recorded in speaches. Make this MJ cartoon able to act next to REAL human actor (like n the old roger rabit movies) and create cartoond and videos for kids and adults. Create in the biggest world theme parks , 3D MJ interactive games/ movies, where u can go in a theater , wear a suit and gloves and glasses, and act and dance in MJ movies or games, next to MJ 3D virtual reality person. The kids can decide how the story goes, and act and dance next to a REAL 3D human MJ. U can interact with him.. I would put a huge 3D screen outside the theater so that all the kids that pass next to the theater can see other kids dancing and action in the movie/ game with MJ. They can see piece of it, this for advertising it.....I would make videos based on never before seen MJ candid footages..I would re-relese old MJ albums in blue ray, video album recording session format...hence, all the old albums but where we can see MJ in the studio recording that song...so imagine all the Dangerous album, and see all the songs in video format of MJ singing the songs in the studio recording session....

These people of MJ Estate and Sony are just using MJ, but they do NOT are of us and MJ....I would work for free for MJ and give the best to all MJ fans in the world..I would NOT get anything in exchange, no exclusive or nothing....give my time for free and for NOTHING in exchange, no money, nothing, just to give all MJ fans the best they deserve frm the best artist on this planet !!!!
 
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