Michael - The Great Album Debate

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The Cascio songs are surely the most complete... cocktail of different songs with an impostors voice.

 

[Kapital77]

MJ will probably just start appearing more and more on these tracks until he's completely there.

Impossible.

It´s Malachi + adlibs and words from other MJ songs.

Sorry. :yes:

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

I don´t think he recorded anything with them. He only recorded the background vocals for WBSS 2008 with Angelykson.

But his own children confirmed he recorded there. Akon confirmed he recorded there, and Angelikson is just the name of Eddie Cascio's production company, which again, implies he recorded there.

Yes, but you believe Mj recorded NEW tracks with Cascios.

The part that i showed you it´s from older songs, not new.

You're right, I do believe he recorded new material there, other than his backing vocals for WBSS 2008. There's nothing that says he didn't, after being there for three months, especially with the confirmations that was provided through various articles from different people. Do I think he recorded 12 full songs, no, but I do think most of this is a product of a jam session with him and Eddie, or whoever else was present.

 

[Kapital77]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The Cascio songs are surely the most complete... cocktail of different songs with an impostors voice.

!!! Bingo !!!. :clapping: unk: :yes:

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

The thing is, Bumper, since Michael is gone if he had songs that were like this there was no other way to do it.

If Michael had recorded just lines and choruses to some background music they still wouldn't be ready for an official Michael Jackson release. They'd still need to create the background music, set the acapella to that, most likely doing a lot of chopping to make it all fit and pitching and tempo changes, etc.

Then they would HAVE to go in and add little extra Michael Jackson elements to the song because it's Michael Jackson and he would have gone and done his own extra ad-libs himself if he were alive but he is DEAD so they HAD to copy-and-paste. Right?

Then, why release these type of songs? They are never meant to be released. They should have stayed in the vault.

Let's not give anyone any excuse. The amount of copy and paste in the Cascio tracks is much more than just "adding a little MJ flavor"... It's not just a few ad-libs here and there, they copied a whole word, breathing, hee hee's, etc.

The sayings "better something than nothing" or "a little of MJ is still good enough" are not true anymore because these songs compromise the artistic integrity Michael sacrificed his life for.

From a fan's perspective, set aside business and financial consideration, you think the way handled the songs is justifiable?

 

[Kapital77]

But his own children confirmed he recorded there. Akon confirmed he recorded there, and Angelikson is just the name of Eddie Cascio's production company, which again, implies he recorded there.

He recorded background vocals for WBSS 2008 and they sound like MJ.

The children also said it´s not MJ in those songs.

 

[Kapital77]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Most of the voice we hear is Impostor's.

Bingo !!!!. unk::yes::clapping::cheers:

The main problem is that the "Lead vocals" are sung by the imposter.

Like Korgex would say:

JASON DUDE !!!!

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

He recorded background vocals for WBSS 2008 and they sound like MJ.

The children also said it´s not MJ in those songs.

True, but in that same article the children also say he recorded music there, it just didn't match what was on the album. So on what basis are you saying that he didn't record anything with them?


That "Cascio defenders" stuff isn't adding to this conversation. The only thing it's doing is causing a bigger split between the fan community. We're all adults here, we should be able to discuss things without name calling.

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Didn't tabloids say that MJ's children said that it wasn't him on the tracks? I haven't seen a video of them decreeing it themselves. Nor a trustworthy source.

 

[Kapital77]

There's nothing that says he didn't, after being there for three months, especially with the confirmations that was provided through various articles from different people. Do I think he recorded 12 full songs, no, but I do think most of this is a product of a jam session with him and Eddie, or whoever else was present.

12 raw songs in 3 months will working on Thriller 25?.

There are no proof, no videos, no audios, no raws, no handwriiten notes, Jackson family, Rodney Jerkins, 3T and many others that said it´s not MJ.

Corey Rooney and Tony Kurtis said it´s Malachi.

Tons of comparison that shows it´s Jason Malachi.

Sorry !!!!!. :no:

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

It was a TMZ article, which was copied by Yahoo News, then taken as gospel by some people. Good luck with finding a video of such statements, I've been asking for such a thing for at least 20 pages and it just goes ignored.

*Shrugs*

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Strange, those comparison videos don't scream "Malachi" to me, except that pictures on most of them.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

What song is the 'Way' copied and pasted from then, Kapital? You said you showed where it's copied and pasted from, I didn't catch that.

Oh, sorry, you said it's from an older song. I would like to know which older song it's from!

 

[Kapital77]

Didn't tabloids say that MJ's children said that it wasn't him on the tracks? I haven't seen a video of them decreeing it themselves. Nor a trustworthy source.

I haven´t seen videos of the children saying he recorded songs with that family that were not background vocals for Thriller 25.

I never saw the forensyn anaylis, we don´t know what they heard, i did not heard a word from the mouth of Bruce Swedien, etc...

Sorry !!! :no:

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

12 raw songs in 3 months will working on Thriller 25?.

There are no proof, no videos, no audios, no raws, no handwriiten notes, Jackson family, Rodney Jerkins, 3T and many others that said it´s not MJ.

Corey Rooney and Tony Kurtis said it´s Malachi.

Tons of comparison that shows it´s Jason Malachi.

Sorry !!!!!. :no:

It's impossible to have a simple jam session in 3 months while working on a reissue? Are you aware of what a jam session is?

And how many tracks did Michael actually have to work on, within those three months? 1? Maybe 2? He had time to sit in the studio and play around with music.

I haven´t seen videos of the children saying he recorded songs with that family that were not background vocals for Thriller 25.

I never saw the forensyn anaylis, we don´t know what they heard, i did not heard a word from the mouth of Bruce Swedien, etc...

Sorry !!! :no:

But in what country does that excuse another sides lack of proof? Not America, that's for sure.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

He said he was working on a new album as early as 2006 and he was "writing it mostly by himself."

This was late 2006 so I can imagine that he'd go to the Cascio's shortly after he said that.

Think about this, the Cascio studio was a very low-profile place where he could work and relax and record some of his new material in complete secret and not pay for high charging studio costs.

 

[Kapital77]

What song is the 'Way' copied and pasted from then, Kapital? You said you showed where it's copied and pasted from, I didn't catch that.

Oh, sorry, you said it's from an older song. I would like to know which older song it's from!

Don´t worry, i will find it.

We need a song with the same "way" at the end of a phrase.

Maybe "Don´t walk away" or other.

I will find.

It´s only a matter of time.

 

[Worldwide]

Don´t worry, i will find it.

We need a song with the same "way" at the end of a phrase.

Maybe "Don´t walk away" or other.

I will find.

It´s only a matter of time.

Human Nature =p

 

[Kapital77]

He said he was working on a new album as early as 2006 and he was "writing it mostly by himself."

This was late 2006 so I can imagine that he'd go to the Cascio's shortly after he said that.

Think about this, the Cascio studio was a very low-profile place where he could work and relax and record some of his new material in complete secret and not pay for high charging studio costs.

Yes, with Will i am and others that we knew from the media.

Is impossible that he recorded more tracks with them than with other like Will i am, Akon, etc...

Sorry, but hearing the audio comparison it´s clear it´s Malachi.

You only have to see the debate in all the Mj forums.

Sorry, that´s it´s not the Mj voice in the Lead vocals. :no:

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Funny how when the believers sometimes said that they would find proof, some doubters would put them down by saying that they wouldn't find any, or would shoot down anything they found or put forward...

 

[Kapital77]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Human Nature =p

I will check it right now.

Thanks.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Oh, don't worry Kapital. Whatever you post will never convince me. I'm 100% positive it's Michael Jackson on these songs. I have no doubt. I am right. I kid.

 

[Kapital77]

Funny how when the believers sometimes said that they would find proof, some doubters would put them down by saying that they wouldn't find any, or would shoot down anything they found or put forward...

More funny it´s to see that you didn´t show any audio comparison that showed it´s Mj and not Jason Malachi.

Sorry.

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Why is it impossible that Michael would work with other people other than Will.I.Am and Akon?

 

[Kapital77]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Oh, don't worry Kapital. Whatever you post will never convince me. I'm 100% positive it's Michael Jackson on these songs. I have no doubt. I am right. I kid.

I will take your word when the truth came out.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

@Annie: Because Michael loved them and nobody else.

By the way, how is Michael saying he's writing music by himself imply that he's working with Will.I.Am and Akon? His time with Akon seemed very limited and I'm sure his time with Will.I.Am was very scheduled and limited, too, not like they're just kickin' it 24/7.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I will check it right now.

Thanks.

I think he's mocking you Kapital, because in Human Nature Michael sings "Why, why...".

 

[Kapital77]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Why is it impossible that Michael would work with other people other than Will.I.Am and Akon?

We never knew nothing about Michael working with the Cascio for his new proyect.

We heard about Will i am, Ne-yo, Akon, Feemster, Irv Gotty and others.

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I personally do not want to create things like audio comparisons, it'd be a waste of my time considering that I know that it would be dismissed entirely by those who are certain the tracks are fake. Same as the way that I dismiss all comparison videos to show that it's fake.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Hypothetically speaking, say there is no impersonator involved at all, the Cascio tracks are made of some 2007 MJ vocal snippets, some "legit" background vocalists and a lot of Michael's prior works. Can you accept the song as legitimate Michael Jackson songs?

With advancement in tecnology these days, it seems melodyne can do a lot to improve and alter vocals, say someone writes a new song for Michael Jackson. Some producers go through the MJ archive and pick the words needed for the new song and paste all these words sung by Michael together, melodyne this tape of pasted parts, autotune it and process it. Do you think it's okay?