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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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So there are only MJ backing vocals on Monster. Are these vocals spoken words or oooh and aaah type vocals? If it's the former, I would very much like to hear a sample. Or not.
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
So you think three songs will affect how future generations feel about his music and legacy? Three songs, out of a wide catalog of material spanning from the 60's all the way to 2001 and beyond? Really?
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Absolutely. Think about it. Where are all the general discussions about the 3 Cascio songs? Not even Mike's own fans are raving about these songs. ESPECIALLY when you look at Mike's perfectionism; three songs is three songs too many! He didn't take his music lightly, and neither should his fans. All three songs are mediocre at best compared to ANYTHING Mike has released. And I'd say that the non-discussions about these songs in the general threads attest to that. We're all raving about the three leaked songs, though. And will those songs see the light of day? Who knows....Having them sit in the vault surely doesn't help his legacy, either.

These Cascio songs aren't great representations of Michael's genius at all. I think most of us can agree with that, no? The album was clearly geared toward the general public. I know that everyone has their own opinion, and hey, I'm sure there are some that think these songs are truly kick ass, but in reality, they don't help Mike's legacy. If someone has NEVER heard an MJ song in their life and the first one they hear is Breaking News, do you really think they'll be overly excited to check out more? Maybe some would, maybe some wouldn't. That's not who Michael Jackson was, though. No matter what you thought of him he was and always will be known for releasing fantastic music. That's what made him the greatest artist in the world.

Hopefully, these songs are never released so as not to risk damaging his near perfect back catalogue. As I've said, Michael didn't put his blood, sweat, and tears into his records for nothing. Now that he's gone there are those who have his life work in their hands. He deserves nothing but the best because he gave nothing but the best.
 
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I hate the Cascio's...
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
So you think three songs will affect how future generations feel about his music and legacy? Three songs, out of a wide catalog of material spanning from the 60's all the way to 2001 and beyond? Really?
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Please don't take our words out of context. We never for one moment underplay Michael's genius. You know Arklove is among the most passionate about Michael's talents, so such question is quite unnecessary.

Generation after generation of people will always be amazed from Michael's catalog from the 60's to 2009. I actually find comfort knowing Number Ones still outsells Michael.

However, I cannot deny the fact that many people in the world bought Michael and thought the Cascion tracks are genuine. Some of these people will be underwhelmed.

I mentioned it before posthumous releases are insignificant to the overall Michael Jackson legacy. Michael's legacy does not depend on posthumous releases. But, if a posthumous album is released. It's my sincere hope that such album is handled with the respect that Michael deserves.

Even if you think the Cascio tracks are totally legit, we can agree, from fans standpoint, the Cacsio tracks do not do Michael's talents any justice and are poor choice for the first posthumous album.

Many people rediscovered Michael Jackson after seeing TII. Many people have new found interest in Michael's music. Many people looked forward to this album. Then, they managed to kill people's excitement with this controversy. Some of these people's interest in Michael may be diminished.

Before checking people's comments on iTune and amazon last night, I thought the controversy talk is only limited to the hard core fan base. I am wrong. The public actually talks about the vocal issue. This album is remembered not for outstanding songs such as Best of Joy and Behind the Mask, but for the unnecessary vocal controversy.

How unfortunate!
 
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You think if people were just getting into Michael with this album, with all the other songs on the album aside from the Cascio tracks, that they wouldn't be the least interested in discovering his past music? You think people would just hear those three songs and say "screw this, I'm never listening to another Michael Jackson song again"?


I don't mean to sound rude, just curious to see what your answers would be.
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
You think if people were just getting into Michael with this album, with all the other songs on the album aside from the Cascio tracks, that they wouldn't be the least interested in discovering his past music? You think people would just hear those three songs and say "screw this, I'm never listening to another Michael Jackson song again"?


I don't mean to sound rude, just curious to see what your answers would be.
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No, this is not rude. I'm happy to give my two cents.

Many people may not even buy the album. In this day and age, many people don't need to buy the whole album. Many casual music listeners download songs from iTune or other online retail. They listened to Breaking News streamed online and heard about this controversy. They downloaded the song and thought "this song sucks. gee... what the hell? the voice is so weird. michael jackson had only one good album afterall. i'll stick with Thriller."

I don't think I exaggerate here. I'm sure many people are underwhelmed by the efforts put together by Sony. HMH doesn't get much airplay. HT hardly makes any noise. The video's youtube viewcount is disappointing. The general public do not respond to this album. If people don't find any of the song in the album good, why would they be interested in learning more about Michael's music?

This Is It, on the other hand, did just that. The film ignites people's interest and let people rediscover Michael.
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
You think if people were just getting into Michael with this album, with all the other songs on the album aside from the Cascio tracks, that they wouldn't be the least interested in discovering his past music? You think people would just hear those three songs and say "screw this, I'm never listening to another Michael Jackson song again"?


I don't mean to sound rude, just curious to see what your answers would be.
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I just gave you three paragraphs, and you want more?? haha....I'll have to agree with love is magical on this one...IN GENERAL, this doesn't help Michael and the fostering of his legacy...It can certainly affect how NEW fans and those who haven't heard his music before...
 
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Then they hear Bad on the radio one day or Billie Jean, get it stuck in their head but they're like 'Oh he wrote Breaking News, I can't enjoy this.'
 
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The info that Birchey has provided is Intriguing, but I still think it's Michael singing on the "Cascio" tracks.
 
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Can someone please answer my question.

Did Michael record these songs with the Cascios or not? During the months he was with them. Did he record anything?
 
I don´t think he recorded anything with them. He only recorded the background vocals for WBSS 2008 with Angelykson.

Birchey said he believes it´s Jason Malachi:

Birchey;3320102 said:
a massive Majority of the lead vocals are not Michaels
The breathing and other "aaahs" and stuff were pasted on
The songs were orginally slower in pace
The are NO claps, click or footstamps on ANY Cascio track on the vocal channel (something which to me proves this is definately not Michael behind that mic)
The songs were all recorded on various Mics
The original vocals themselves were NOT recorded badly but properly
There are tons of takes of vocals, there are several takes used on each line
There WERE backing tracks provided with the songs
There are MANY Ghost backing vocals
The only instance of a PVC Pipe being used was on about 4 lines in which they had "Michaels" vocals CLEAN and also recorded through a PVC pipe.
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Birchey;3320448 said:
I am 99% sure its Jason, or a Jason Malachi inpersonator XD
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Birchey;3320451 said:
Thing is too, these songs are absolute rip-offs from MJ previous material, they have been purposely made to sound like an MJ song, desperatly
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Birchey;3320266 said:
For the vocals its clear on the editing how they have had a variety of vocal tracks to choose from, for me this points to a good explanantion, if you were to get someone to copy MJ why have them do one take? They have used the lines which fit Michaels vocals the best, the smoking gun here is the sheer amount of lead vocals and backing vocals they have.
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That´s what i also believe since i heard the audio comparisons.

http://hulkshare.com/m6mkr1sguew7


A-The same way of sing.

B- The same tone.

C- Same snorts.

D- Identical voice.

E- No proof Mj sung on the Cascio´s tracks.

For me, there is no doubt:

Cascios, Porte & maybe Riley mixed adlibs from older Mj´s songs with Jason Malachi parts (the parts that sounds more Michaelish) to create those FrArKEn Monster:

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Shall we try and find the backing vocals which sound like Michael?

Find the hidden treasure.

I like treasure hunts
 
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There are 2 from "On the Line" in "Monster".
Many on "Breaking news", maybe from "You rock my world".
 
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Kapital found the treasure...
 
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isn't it ironic that we need to try to find trace of Michael Jackson vocals from a "Michael Jackson song"? :no:
 
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Well... this what you get when your told, 'Unreleased Michael Jackson songs', and they are actually not real.
 
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At the moment, we're having trouble ascertaining that MJ was actually involved in these songs at all. Having some genuine spoken word background vocals would lend some credence to this. I WANT to hear MJ, I'll take anything I can get, but I haven't heard anything so far.
 
Hi, !!! I JUST FOUND ONE MIX of voices in "Keep your head up" !!!

I just found it many months ago but i really can´t believe something like this would happen.

After read what Birchey told, i looked back to the thing that i found when "Keep your head up" was leaked.

First part of the line:

Jason Malachi

Second part of the line:

Michael + !!! vibrato from Jason Malachi !!!

Wait a minute, and i will show you.
 
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Minimj said:
Exactly, so it should be..

Impersonator ft Michael Jackson outtakes.
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Sounds accurate to me..
 
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Aniram said:
:p Oh really?
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Yes, because i used headphones to check the complete song from the begining to the end when the track was leaked many months ago.

Now, with the help of Birchey, i really know that i was not wrong.

:wild:
 
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I think I have the original leak to Kapital..
 
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Are we talking about the "Black and Beats vibe, baby" track?
 
Minimj, you remind me that i have to go back to what i found:

Minimj;3322612 said:
Shall we try and find the backing vocals which sound like Michael?

Find the hidden treasure.

I like treasure hunts
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In this case it´s a mix of words in a phrase.

Firsts words: Jason.
Later: Michael + vibratto from Jason.

For me, it´s clear.

Wait a minute.
 
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Aniram said:
Are we talking about the "Black and Beats vibe, baby" track?
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Not, not, is not a problem of something in the leaked version that is not in the album version.

The mix is in both versions.

You will realize why there are so many fans that heard MJ in "Keep your head up".
 
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Kapital77 said:
Not, not, is not a problem of something in the leaked version that is not in the album version.

The mix is in both versions.

You will realize why there are so many fans that heard MJ in "Keep your head up".
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Please don't make a 1 liner comparison clip lol
 
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