Michael - The Great Album Debate

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

:clapping: Sadly, this is the reality...Michael was a perfectionist...He wouldn't accept this album and the way it's been handled..Why should I then? It's not easy to get past what's happened...I'll never, ever forget this..

It's very difficult to get over the conflicted feeling I have. When the album was released back in December, I was aware of the controversy. I still bought the album hoping the songs would "sound like Michael" on a CD format. I tried to convince myself the songs are genuine.

I cry happy tears when I listen to Best of Joy, the song is simply beautiful. However, my stomach sinks when the first verse of Breaking News starts to play. Playing the album without skipping any tracks is like taking a roller-coaster ride. I can always remove Breaking News from my playlist; yet, I cannot pretent the song doesn't exist.

I don't want to go over the same experience again. The saying "better have something than nothing" is not true for me anymore. I'd rather stick with Michael's own iconic catalog than waiting for all these invented MJ songs.

This album takes away the hope and excitement I used to have for a MJ project. I have no expectation for the second posthumous album. I don't want to be crushed again.

 

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

It's very difficult to get over the conflicted feeling I have. When the album was released back in December, I was aware of the controversy. I still bought the album hoping the songs would "sound like Michael" on a CD format. I tried to convince myself the songs are genuine.

I cry happy tears when I listen to Best of Joy, the song is simply beautiful. However, my stomach sinks when the first verse of Breaking News starts to play. Playing the album without skipping any tracks is like taking a roller-coaster ride. I can always remove Breaking News from my playlist; yet, I cannot pretent the song doesn't exist.

I don't want to go over the same experience again. The saying "better have something than nothing" is not true for me anymore. I'd rather stick with Michael's own iconic catalog than waiting for all these invented MJ songs.

This album takes away the hope and excitement I used to have for a MJ project. I have no expectation for the second posthumous album. I don't want to be crushed again.

I feel exactly the same....As I said...I don't want to hear anymore unreleased MJ songs at the expense of his art....If they can't do it with the respect, dignity, and honour that his memory deserves...DON'T DO IT...He means too much to me, and he's given me SO much in my life....He's family to me...

 

[love is magical]

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I feel exactly the same....As I said...I don't want to hear anymore unreleased MJ songs at the expense of his art....If they can't do it with the respect, dignity, and honour that his memory deserves...DON'T DO IT...He means too much to me, and he's given me SO much in my life....He's family to me...

Exactly. I don't need to hear every notes he had sung in his life. He gave us more than enough. His catalog the way he left us with continues to amaze me every single day.

Of course I want to hear the outtakes and the songs he almost completed. But, if the Estate cannot ensure the album is prepared and handled with utmost respect, then don't do it at all. Stick with the iconic catalog. They can still sell and generate revenue from the classics. Actually, Number Ones is selling better than Michael in many countries.

Quality is more important than quantity. If they only have a few releasable outtakes from each recording session, then just pack them with the album re-release. Include some never-before-seen pictures in the booklets, put some of Michael's hand-written notes in, include some alternative versions, outtakes and market the albums the right way. I'm sure there are tons of people who would like to re-discover BAD, Dangerous, HIStory , BOTDF and Invincible.

 

[Justice_MJ]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

:clapping: Sadly, this is the reality...Michael was a perfectionist...He wouldn't accept this album and the way it's been handled..Why should I then? It's not easy to get past what's happened...I'll never, ever forget this..

I've always maintained...This isn't about me as a fan...This is about Michael and the treatment of his legacy and everything he's worked for his entire life...I don't care if I never hear another unreleased song of his again...If they can't do it right and with dignity and respect...don't do it at all...

Exactly! It's only about Michael! Fans should learn not to be greedy, wanting more and more, no matter what and how it is done...He gave us already SO MUCH...
And with the new album you can clearly see that Michael and his art are not respected at all.
But Sony doesn't care about this, all they care about is money. They show us the middlefinger. So what would you normally do in real life when someone shows you the middlefinger??? The last thing that I would do is to smile and say "thanks"...

 

[Aniram]

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No one listened to my audio sample I provided or the example I gave with One More Chance?

Funny how when Kapital77 or Pentum post a clip all the doubters applaud, a believer posts a clip and makes a point and everyone suspiciously ignores it.

 

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I didn't listen to your clip because I'm at work and can't download anything...

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

No one listened to my audio sample I provided or the example I gave with One More Chance?

Funny how when Kapital77 or Pentum post a clip all the doubters applaud, a believer posts a clip and makes a point and everyone suspiciously ignores it.

It's not the first time.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I'm working on several others for my own research purposes and for your opinions, I will post them all when I am done in the coming days.

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

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Looking forward to it, mate.

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I see you mentioned my name, Aniram. I don't want to discuss this anymore, but since you mentioned it.

I've always noticed the "mysteries" part. Sounds like a a mistake in the effect used on his voice as it's obviously an effect on all his vocals in OMC. I don't understand your point though.

I already posted audio clip of Jason doing "dah" and "ah" in his own songs sounding similar to MJ and one or two in BN. The rest is from original MJ songs.

 

[love is magical]

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Exactly! It's only about Michael! Fans should learn not to be greedy, wanting more and more, no matter what and how it is done...He gave us already SO MUCH...
And with the new album you can clearly see that Michael and his art are not respected at all.
But Sony doesn't care about this, all they care about is money. They show us the middlefinger. So what would you normally do in real life when someone shows you the middlefinger??? The last thing that I would do is to smile and say "thanks"...

I agree with you. Love and respect are not what the Estate had in mind when they approved this album. I can never agree Breaking News is included and used to lauch the album out of love and respect. It's a cheap gimmick. It's a horrendous decision.

All Sony cares about is money. Well, it's a record label. What do we expect? But, what really was in the Estate administrators' minds when they approved the tracklist? Or, did they have a say at all? Branca and McClain worked with Michael before. They witnessed first hand the blood and tears Michael put into his crafts. Real or fake, these Cascio tracks are just not fit for a Michael Jackson album.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

No one listened to my audio sample I provided or the example I gave with One More Chance?

Funny how when Kapital77 or Pentum post a clip all the doubters applaud, a believer posts a clip and makes a point and everyone suspiciously ignores it.

I didn't listen to your clip because I'm at work and can't download anything...

Same as Arklove. Am at work and can't download any clips, listen to music with headphone or watch youtube.

I'm actually curious about One More Chance. But, I don't think I'd notice the strange sound with my crappy speakers in the office.

 

[Kapital77]

I´m starting to think that Sony wants to hurt the Mj legacy with these proyects that contains fake tracks.

They are hurting the future sales because so much fans will not wait to the nexts albums.

They are hurting the MJ unreleased music to keep the Mj´s debts and finally... to catch the Beatles Catalog.

 

[LoveYouMoreMJ]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

It's very difficult to get over the conflicted feeling I have. When the album was released back in December, I was aware of the controversy. I still bought the album hoping the songs would "sound like Michael" on a CD format. I tried to convince myself the songs are genuine.

I cry happy tears when I listen to Best of Joy, the song is simply beautiful. However, my stomach sinks when the first verse of Breaking News starts to play. Playing the album without skipping any tracks is like taking a roller-coaster ride. I can always remove Breaking News from my playlist; yet, I cannot pretent the song doesn't exist.

I don't want to go over the same experience again. The saying "better have something than nothing" is not true for me anymore. I'd rather stick with Michael's own iconic catalog than waiting for all these invented MJ songs.

This album takes away the hope and excitement I used to have for a MJ project. I have no expectation for the second posthumous album. I don't want to be crushed again.

I was exactly the same way. I was so hoping the songs would magically sound different on CD so I ditched my original plan of just downloading the known authentic songs from iTunes and bought the album. I will not be as enthusiastic for the next album and I most likely won't be buying it. I can't go through all that again. I can't even put the Cascio tracks in my playlist because I just can't bear to hear them. It just stirs up too many emotions.

I feel exactly the same....As I said...I don't want to hear anymore unreleased MJ songs at the expense of his art....If they can't do it with the respect, dignity, and honour that his memory deserves...DON'T DO IT...He means too much to me, and he's given me SO much in my life....He's family to me...

Totally with you Alanna, as we've discussed so many times before :lol: Unreleased tracks aren't worth hearing if it's at the expense of Michael's musical legacy. I'd much rather have untouched leaked songs like Blue Gangsta, Slave to the Rhythm, and Do You Know Where Your Children Are.

 

[Pentum]

I´m starting to think that Sony wants to hurt the Mj legacy with these proyects that contains fake tracks.

They are hurting the future sales because so much fans will not wait to the nexts albums.

They are hurting the MJ unreleased music to keep the Mj´s debts and finally... to catch the Beatles Catalog.

These are the songs that haven't been leaked yet:

All Right
Black Widow
Burn 2 Night
Fall In Love
Ready 2 Win
Soldier Boy
Water

Let's just hope they will leak so the chances are smaller in Sony releasing them.

 

[Kapital77]

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But Pentum, Jason Malachi still alive.

They can use him whenever they want.

Check the new tracks from Feemster:

H20
D.I.E

 

[Arklove]

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I was exactly the same way. I was so hoping the songs would magically sound different on CD so I ditched my original plan of just downloading the known authentic songs from iTunes and bought the album. I will not be as enthusiastic for the next album and I most likely won't be buying it. I can't go through all that again. I can't even put the Cascio tracks in my playlist because I just can't bear to hear them. It just stirs up too many emotions.





Totally with you Alanna, as we've discussed so many times before :lol: Unreleased tracks aren't worth hearing if it's at the expense of Michael's musical legacy. I'd much rather have untouched leaked songs like Blue Gangsta, Slave to the Rhythm, and Do You Know Where Your Children Are.

Nice to see you here, Ash Michael's work is too precious to be f*cked with as much as they have been...IF the songs are real, they've managed to turn him into a processed robot, really....And, to me, that's the same as an imposter....

@Aniram...I know the part you're talking about with OMC and I share the same sentiment as Pentum...

 

[Justice_MJ]

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I agree with you. Love and respect are not what the Estate had in mind when they approved this album. I can never agree Breaking News is included and used to lauch the album out of love and respect. It's a cheap gimmick. It's a horrendous decision.

All Sony cares about is money. Well, it's a record label. What do we expect? But, what really was in the Estate administrators' minds when they approved the tracklist? Or, did they have a say at all? Branca and McClain worked with Michael before. They witnessed first hand the blood and tears Michael put into his crafts. Real or fake, these Cascio tracks are just not fit for a Michael Jackson album.

Well, isn't Branca a good buddy of Sony...?
But yeah, you're right. What do I expect of Sony? They even made Michael tear up during the HIStory Playback session... They've never respected him and his art...The deal with Sony was a big mistake in my opinion. I don't care if they paid the most...it ain't about money here...

 

[LoveYouMoreMJ]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I agree with you. Love and respect are not what the Estate had in mind when they approved this album. I can never agree Breaking News is included and used to lauch the album out of love and respect. It's a cheap gimmick. It's a horrendous decision.

All Sony cares about is money. Well, it's a record label. What do we expect? But, what really was in the Estate administrators' minds when they approved the tracklist? Or, did they have a say at all? Branca and McClain worked with Michael before. They witnessed first hand the blood and tears Michael put into his crafts. Real or fake, these Cascio tracks are just not fit for a Michael Jackson album.

I will never ever understand why the Estate approved of the tracklist. Ever. I really think the family should have final approval of any future tracks if that's even possible. They were the ones who called out the questionable tracks in the first place.

 

[LoveYouMoreMJ]

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Nice to see you here, Ash Michael's work is too precious to be f*cked with as much as they have been...IF the songs are real, they've managed to turn him into a processed robot, really....And, to me, that's the same as an imposter....

Exactly! What on Earth is the point of processing his voice to the point that it's unrecognizable?? It's just as criminal!

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

But Pentum, Jason Malachi still alive.

They can use him whenever they want.

Check the new tracks from Feemster:

H20
D.I.E

I know and I know about these. It's just that Sony bought the 12 tracks from The Cascios which means that The Cascios must work with Jason again and to share my honest opinion, I don't think Sony want anymore stuff from The Cascios.

 

[Kapital77]

I will never ever understand why the Estate approved of the tracklist. Ever. I really think the family should have final approval of any future tracks if that's even possible. They were the ones who called out the questionable tracks in the first place.

A member from the Estate, John McClain did not want those tracks on the album.

He also didn´t attend on the "MICHAEL" party on New York.

The Godfather Part IV:

The problem was with Branca & his friend from Sony.

 

[AnnieRUOkay89]

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Are you throwing accusations of mob ties now?

 

[ivy]

A member from the Estate, John McClain did not want those tracks on the album.

He also didn´t attend on the "MICHAEL" party on New York.

fyi - McClain had health issues (he had a stroke several years ago) and since then he stays away from the public eye and doesn't attend any industry events / public events and such. He prefers to stay off the radar. So you wouldn't see him in any event regardless of the controversy.

 

[Kapital77]

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Yes, he had health issues.

But you know that he did not want those tracks on the album.

 

[Graf]

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He may not have wanted them on the album because he was worried they didn't sound enough like Michael and possible reaction like we've seen..But that doesn't mean they are not Michael on the tracks ..Which I believe Michael is on..Just very raw vocals..

 

[ivy]

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Yes, he had health issues.

But you know that he did not want those tracks on the album.

as reported by Roger Friedman - a tabloid. I didn't hear McClain coming out and saying anything directly, did you?

Regardless you trying to put a meaning on him not attending to Micheal party is wrong. Like I said go to google and search for McClain's picture's and such. you'll only find his younger year pictures. because like I said he had health issues and for years he chose to not attend anything and not be public. So not attending Michael event doesn't mean a thing as he never attends anything.

 

[Kapital77]

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I heard Roger Friedman many times, the same person who promote those fake tracks for the Cascio. The same person who told us the tittle of many tracks.. including All i need.

The first person who told about those tracks. The link between Branca and Cascios to sell the tracks to Sony.

By the way, there was another man who told the same as Friedman:

JACKIE JACKSON told us that McClain did not want those tracks on the album.

 

[Graf]

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Someone not wanting the tracks on the album doesn't nesecarlly mean they are worried it's not Michael..It could mean they might have been worried about reaction to the songs...The Estate and Sony did forensic analyzing the vocals..Along with people who worked with Michael for years, and all of them say it's Michael..So it is him, may not sound like him completely, but it is him.

 

[ivy]

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RANDY JACKSON told us that McClain did not want those tracks on the album.

It was Jackie not Randy.

My point about McClain not attending the Michael party still stays.

Are you throwing accusations of mob ties now?

This made me laugh. In 2005 trial when Frank was accused of conspiracy to kidnap and withhold people he had a quote saying that because he's Italian and live in New Jersey people were creating such B.S. acting like he was from Sopranos.