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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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As well as wolves in Upper Peninsula. None of those contain the exact thing we're getting at here.

Korgnex - the article's first paragraph says this:

NEW DELHI: A 30-year-old man, allegedly involved in the murder of the wife of a former Uttar Pradesh minister and sitting BJP MLA from Muzaffarnagar, was arrested by Delhi Police from Badarpur in southeast Delhi.
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Uttar Pradesh!!!

"We're sucking up the air in the earth from under me."
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It should be ''We're sucking up the air from the earth from underneath me''.
 
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Korgnex said:
BUMPER_SNIPPET, can't you google sth that simple?
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I can, can you?

Here are your results:

Your link number one:

Man arrested in city for killing UP MLA's wife


UP means? = Uttar Pradesh, it's a province! ​

Your second link:​

Feds may allow killing up to 60 wolves to protect Idaho's Clearwater area elk

It is UP TO = means NOT LESS THAN or UNTILL​


Your third link:

Man guilty of illegally killing UP wolf

UP = Upper Peninsula!

Your fourth link:

Pakistan steps up Swat offensive, killing up to 700 militants and promising to oust every Taliban fighter


UP TO means NOT LESS THAN or UNTILL

.....

Korgnex, stop embarrassing yourself like that.
 
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Korgnex said:
Maybe YOU should really read them:
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LOL:D
You are insisting, aren't you? How about you read before you post something?
 
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OK, I see it. :D

I didn't take care of what I've just googled. Haha, yeah, that was quite embarassing and funny.


OK, now ask your teacher, if there's "(to) kill up", then there's always the gerund form, too. Simple as that.
 
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drewhiggins said:
^ Maybe it's a song about the Upper Peninsula. After all, the song might be called ''Keep Your Upper Peninsula'', or ''Keep Your Privates Underneath''.
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Or maybe he's singing about the birds in Uttar Pradesh? :D
 
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I'll ask my grandma who wrote plays for 50 years and was an English teacher tomorrow.

Or maybe he's singing about the birds in Uttar Pradesh?
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Might be sucking up the birds from under him too!

If I'm right and a gerund is adding (-ing) to it, then the song should be "We're sucking upping the air in the earth from under me."?
 
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Korgnex said:
OK, I see it. :D

I didn't take care of what I've just googled. Haha, yeah, that was quite embarassing and funny.


OK, now ask your teacher, if there's "(to) kill up", then there's always the gerund form, too. Simple as that.
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I AM a teacher, linguist and translator. But I'll ask my colleagues if you want.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I AM a teacher, linguist and translator.
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One who didn't understand a simple metaphor like "mama say, mama got you in a zig-zag"...


There's no other way than to use the gerund form if you want to keep the stucture of the music consistent. Either it's "She's looking for a job..." when a person is described doing sth or it's "Killing up..." if it's from a neutral perspective. "To kill up..." would be inconsistent with the flow of the music.
 
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NOTE - Please complete the step below before attempting to post a coherent argument:

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One who didn't understand a simple metaphor like "mama say, mama got you in a zig-zag"...
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I don't understand that. I still don't.

It's not a metaphor. It's pathetic. Mama got you in a zig-zag. A zig-zag is a packet of cigarettes. So she's got you smoking and in a packet of cigarettes. How irresponsible.
 
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Korgnex said:
One who didn't understand a simple metaphor like "mama say, mama got you in a zig-zag"...
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A simple metaphor for what? It can be interpreted any way you want. In other words it could be a metaphor of thousands of different things, we still don't know what he meant there.

The proper infinitive would be "to get someone in a zig-zag". What does it mean without being a metaphor?

p.s. refering to your "one" speaking about me, I can also add: the one who works for the police and tribunals and who needs to understand perfectly well what people want to say and express.
 
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drewhiggins said:
I don't understand that. I still don't.

It's not a metaphor. It's pathetic. Mama got you in a zig-zag. A zig-zag is a packet of cigarettes. So she's got you smoking and in a packet of cigarettes. How irresponsible.
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It has NOTHING to do with cigarettes.
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
A simple metaphor for what? It can be interpreted any way you want. In other words it could be a metaphor of thousands of different things, we still don't know what he meant there.

The proper infinitive would be "to get someone in a zig-zag". What does it mean without being a metaphor?
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To get you nonetheless. Running in a zig-zag is not the fastest and most direct way to get you, but there are chances that the two persons (the chaser and the runner) will cross one's path.
 
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drewhiggins said:
Then what does it have to do with? Crossing a road?

Because those are the only two things I'd associate it with.
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Already explained here:

Korgnex said:
Zig-zag is a pattern (\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/) which consists of short distances that are always strung together in the same angle so that their ends are representing two parallel lines or arches.

In the song "Monster" it's meant that wherever she (the shooting girl) runs to, they will always get her in the end. It's a metaphor.

Look at the pattern and realize that when she's reached the top, she'll be running back to the bottom and that's where she'll be caught (again).


The "mama say, mama got you" emphasizes on the fact that it's a truism. She should have known about it.


;)
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Korgnex said:
To get you nonetheless. Running in a zig-zag is not the fastest way to get you, but there are chances when the two persons (the chaser and the runner) will cross one's path.
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I understand the word zig-zag and the meaning of the word, but I don't understand when someone says "he/she/mama says (that) someone/mama got someone in a zig zag".


So triple question:

-whose mama says so?
-mama get somone? Who does mama get? And again whose mama?
-to get someone in a zig-zag? What does the verb "to get" mean here? or the phrase "to get in a zig zag"?

Apart from personal interpretation where can I find references?
 
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If you're chasing someone, why not just go in a line rather than completely odd patterns of VVVVVVVV? When I'm chasing someone or gonna go after them I don't run from side to side - I go like every other person in the world - in a regular movement.
 
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drewhiggins said:
I don't understand that. I still don't.

It's not a metaphor. It's pathetic. Mama got you in a zig-zag. A zig-zag is a packet of cigarettes. So she's got you smoking and in a packet of cigarettes. How irresponsible.
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Someone should call social services. Or at least supernanny.
 
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drewhiggins said:
If you're chasing someone, why not just go in a line rather than completely odd patterns of VVVVVVVV? When I'm chasing someone or gonna go after them I don't run from side to side - I go like every other person in the world - in a regular movement.
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The verb "to stalk" would be much more appropriate in that case, which is already used by the way. But the zig zag thing doesn't make sense at all.
 
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^ Go to an university and you'll find all your answers.

1) "Mama" isn't a specific mother, it means that it's a truism, sth you should have known, that your mother has most probably taught you when you were a little kid or a young teenager. Mothers are often referenced to be the one parent that gives you sth to take along.
Of course that can also be your father, but it's a popular wisdom.

2) "Mama got you" = "they will get you"
Mothers are also often referenced as the one parent that you will always come back to when you're in trouble, when you've left your family etc.
It's a popular wisdom, too.
In this context it means you will come back (to whoever/wherever) = they will get catch you there. You won't hide long.

3) "to get sb. in a zig-zag" has been explained above
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iN25_lpIhRI

''Super-Nanny, she's got you jumping like you should
It's got you bouncing off Social Service's walls
It's got you killing up the birds at Social Services
How irresponsible...''


^ Go to an university and you'll find all your answers.
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And what would a university offer me about zig-zagging?
 
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It's more likely that the use of "mama" in this song is used with the urban definition which is a woman, especially one considered attractive.
 
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Korgnex said:
^ Go to an university and you'll find all your answers.
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Did they teach you about the 'zig zag' at university? What were you studying? Technical drawing?
 
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Korgnex said:
^ Go to an university and you'll find all your answers.

1) "Mama" isn't a specific mother, it means that it's a truism, sth you should have known, that your mother has most probably taught you when you were a little kid or a young teenager. Mothers are often referenced to be the one parent that gives you sth to take along.
2) "Mama got you" = "they will get you"
Mothers are also often referenced at the one parent that you will always come back to when you're in trouble, when you've left your family etc.
It's a popular wisdom, too.
3) "to get in a zig-zag" has been explained above
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Thanks for your piece of advice, but if I am asking those questions it is because I've already been to the university and I've been taught that when you question something you look up for it in dictionaries or in reliable documents or references.

So where are the references in your answers? If you look for references as for the links you provided from Google without reading the articles, then I am afraid that you should go back to the secondary school to refresh your memory how to look for reliable documents. I am sure your history teacher already explained it to you.
 
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Anna said:
It's more likely that the use of "mama" in this song is used with the urban definition which is a woman, especially one considered attractive.
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The only 'mama' reference I can find in relation to music is this:

That's what I'm gonna do
Sweet little mama I wanna get next to you
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Usually paparazzi women and tabloid writers (younger ones, my age) are pretty hot.


Did they teach you about the 'zig zag' at university? What were you studying? Technical drawing?
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I once studied technical drawing and never learnt about the zig-zag. Those mofos never taught me those lessons. I'm gonna kill up a few birds and zig-zag in anger.
 
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Anna said:
It's more likely that the use of "mama" in this song is used with the urban definition which is a woman, especially one considered attractive.
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The song is about a woman. And the "mama say, mama got you in a zig-zag" isn't about her, but people in her business pushing on her to keep on doing what people expect from her.

He's comin' at ya, comin' at ya rather too fast
Mama say, mama got you in a zig-zag
And you're running, and you're running just to scape it
But they're gunning for the money, so they fake it
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The song is about a woman. And the "mama say, mama got you in a zig-zag" isn't about her, but people in her business pushing on her to keep on doing what people expect from her.
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Speaking of a woman being the main point in the song, it sure sounds like a woman.
 
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drewhiggins said:
And what would a university offer me about zig-zagging?
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You'll find linguists there. That's the only thing I meant.
 
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