Michael - The Great Album Debate

[love is magical]

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thank you for the answer.

Like I said even your explanation makes me think that it's not a breathing error on your part (as you don't normally snort) but it's more because of an improper singing technique. Most probably "singing like Michael" isn't a normal thing for you and you modify your technique to sing like him which results in those errors due to change.

I hear the "snorts" clearly (apparently I'm not that deaf). and honestly the snorts in Cascio songs are much more apparent than anything we hear at a JM song and to me they are definitely more nasal. that's why to me it's more like a breathing error on those songs.

But, Michael never made that kind of breathing error his whole life. It's not part of Michael's breathing pattern.

 

[mjjesamor]

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Maybe all that sleep and good homecooking he had at the cascios was bad for his voice lol Or wait... Didn't friedman say michael never sounded better while he was at tbe cascios? Didn't riley say the vocals were amazing and polished? But then he changed his mind and said they were so bad they had to be processed to hell and back? Jeez which is it?

 

[ivy]

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So ivy are you saying that on the cascio tracks michael jackson makes 'breathing errors' ? And that malachi does the same but to a lesser extent purely by coincidence?
Wow to believe in the authenticity of the cascio tracks one has to believe in a lot of coincidences and statistically highly unlightly things!

breathing error versus improper singing technique

they are two different things if you haven't noticed. (and I mentioned that they are different in nature multiple times by now, please I beg you all please read more carefully)

But, Michael never made that kind of breathing error his whole life. It's not part of Michael's breathing pattern.

and how could we know if he did it or not without hearing him in his imperfect way? any guide demos that he didn't warm up before and possibly sang sitting down?

Like I said before even if he occasionally had a breathing error in a professional recording he would have recorded again. In my real life experience I heard vocalists voice crack , not able to get through a word multiple times, it happens.

 

[Pentum]

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I know you like to discuss and talk about the possibilities, Ivy, but I can't see how you're trying to find any possible explanation for this. The first time ever to hear these weird sounds is in The Cascio songs, which oddly sounds like Jason Malachi and Jason Malachi makes these sounds as well. The falsetto in the voice is 99% the same, I mean, when listening to the Falsetto Yoghurt, you just can't deny it sounds EXACTLY the same.

It's just that I don't see how you can defend this. Not trying to sound rude.

 

[mjjesamor]

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That doesn't answer my question ivy and i did read what you said.
More bashing of michael's vocal talents to validate and excuse the cascio abominations.

 

[love is magical]

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breathing error versus improper singing technique

they are two different things if you haven't noticed. (and I mentioned that they are different in nature multiple times by now, please I beg you all please read more carefully)



and how could we know if he did it or not without hearing him in his imperfect way? any guide demos that he didn't warm up before and possibly sang sitting down?

Does it matter whether there was any warm up? We are not talking about quality of his voice here. We are talking about his breathing pattern.

Well, I'm not a vocalist whatsoever, so I can be really wrong. I tend to think breathing pattern and phrasing are fundamental to a vocalist. These are skills (gifts) Michael was born with. He further enchanced his skills (gifts) through years and years of hard works and experience.

The way he breathed when he sang became his nature. It's not something that you can switch on and off. I understand he would hold back in rehearsals and demo recordings. But, how could he hold back his skillful breathing technique. Isn't it against nature?

 

[donalb]

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I don't bother anymore. I just laugh and watch the comedy. Every day there's something more! It's more entertaining than TV!

I have said before, maybe Eddie doesn't mind the controversy. If he knows the tracks are real and is secure in it, why does he have to prove anything to you guys? Controversy is proven to sell records... There is always the possibility that, right now, he thinks this is good for the record and will release more evidence in the future.

I am sorry to tell you but this album has seriously under-performed in markets where the controversy is the most heated such as the US/UK where there have been numerous postings about "fake" songs on sites such as Amazon/Itunes. In the US, first week sales alone were more than 35% lower than the initial projections that were being discussed prior to the BN streaming and have steadily declined week over week with a massive drop following post X-mas period. As it stands, there are still tons of remaining stock in the US from the initial shipment of approx. 1M units. Based on the current sales trend, Sony will have a hard to moving these units to avoid massive returns. Clearly, the controversy has not been helpful here.

 

[Korgnex]

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Regarding this, I think I have come up with one of the reasons for the doubters' continued obsession with Jason Malachi. I think you just HATE the idea that this guy made money off MJ's name, and you feel that, if you stop doubting the songs, you're letting him get away with it.

Would it help you to realize that Jason Malachi is just a regular guy, currently working a regular blue-collar job, trying to make end's meets? He's not on the Michael album. He's not rich. He's not smoking a big cigar in a bathtub full of money and laughing at you. You can stop hating him now.

Right. A sore spot they won't admit. If they continue to follow Jason's every step, they'll finally realize that the guy has nothing to do with the tracks.

Earlier in this thread BUMPER_SNIPPET when confronted by me, made a retrograde step:

Uncertainness? YES!
The only ones who are 100% obsessed with the "Jason" dude are Pentum and Kapital who don't have an open mind at the moment (and by me writing this, they will feel offended by it)

For your information, Jason Malachi was mentioned as the most probable impostor on those tracks, but if it is not him and if it is another impostor, for doubters it wouldn't make any difference because in any possible scenario we do not hear Michael and that is certainly not an excuse, that's our reality.

Jumping back and forth. Now he's saying that if it's not Jason, it must be another impostor.

The problem with this however is - and that's the real point over at MaxJax and here - that people like BUMPER_SNIPPET, Pentum, Kapital and others have spent so much time trying to convince us that it really, realy would be Jason.


Either you stand behind what you're claiming or you don't.
You can't try to convince us it would be Jason while at the same time stepping back and saying that you could be wrong and in that case it must be another impostor.

On all those previous pages of this thread and the in equivalent thread at Max you guys are trying to convince people on this planet it's Jason Malachi that would be singing these songs.
You're not just saying it wouldn't be Michael Jackson. You're going even further.
THAT'S A BIG AND IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE!!!

You have to defend your claim with the full consequences. No more dodging.


My side has always been clear. Whereas you, BUMPER_SNIPPET/Pentum/Kapital & Co., with all respect, are attaching all your hopes at the "Jason" dude.
And if that doesn't work out, you'll be considering to switch to another impostor to go with.

Sore spot.

 

[ivy]

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More bashing of michael's vocal talents to validate and excuse the cascio abominations.

bashing? excuse me!!

if you want to believe a person sounds 100% perfect 100% of the time be my guest. However I'll tell you it's not realistic.

I have from firsthand seen very good singers have a off day, miss a note here and there, voice cracking occasionally, cannot be able to feel the song on a particular day etc etc.

and none of this is bashing any of their talent, it's simply being human.

no one here - at least me - isn't bashing anything about Michael. Being a human isn't a negative thing. and making a mistake wouldn't make Michael any less perfect. It would be a normal human thing.

(remember him not being able to do the end of she's out of my life without crying despite multiple takes? so saying he can't sing a song without crying - will that be a bashing or will that be a normal human emotional response?)

Does it matter whether there was any warm up? We are not talking about quality of his voice here. We are talking about his breathing pattern.

posture definitely affects the breathing

The way he breathed when he sang became his nature. It's not something that you can switch on and off. I understand he would hold back in rehearsals and demo recordings. But, how could he hold back his skillful breathing technique. Isn't it against nature?

and I didn't say that he hold back his skillful technique or he was overall bad. To me it sounds like a momentarily error and like I said above I find it "normal" in regards to "being a human".

(remember my previous posts that says actually the vocalist flows through the song more easily than JM - which is definitely more skillful vocalist with better breathing pattern IMO)

if you are claiming a "super human" with no mistakes whatsoever , be my guest.

 

[donalb]

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Then your opinion, for all of the hundreds of messages you've written here, is clearly and demonstrably wrong. Because the ONLY way the hoax could even be perpetrated -- the ONLY way the Cascios could sell their songs to Sony, and Sony could put them on the album, and music stores could stock the album, and people could buy the album, and reviewers could review the album -- is if the Cascio tracks SOUND LIKE MJ.

If they sounded like Bob Dylan, or Frank Sinatra, of Elvis Presley, or anybody else aside from MJ, the hoax could not have taken place.

The fact that you reject this obvious, logical truth -- while other doubters like yourself at least admit it -- shows that, in your case at least, your hatred of the Cascio recordings is based on irrationality.

Regarding this, I think I have come up with one of the reasons for the doubters' continued obsession with Jason Malachi. I think you just HATE the idea that this guy made money off MJ's name, and you feel that, if you stop doubting the songs, you're letting him get away with it.

Would it help you to realize that Jason Malachi is just a regular guy, currently working a regular blue-collar job, trying to make end's meets? He's not on the Michael album. He's not rich. He's not smoking a big cigar in a bathtub full of money and laughing at you. You can stop hating him now.

Putting aside the "logic" and what your HEAD tells you about these songs, what does your HEART feel? When you hear these songs, do you get that same warm feeling that you know so well when you listen to other songs by Michael Jackson?

 

[Arklove]

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Right. A sore spot they won't admit. If they continue to follow Jason's every step, they'll finally realize that the guy has nothing to do with the tracks.

Earlier in this thread BUMPER_SNIPPET when confronted by me, made a retrograde step:

Uncertainness? YES!
The only ones who are 100% obsessed with the "Jason" dude are Pentum and Kapital who don't have an open mind at the moment (and by me writing this, they will feel offended by it)




Jumping back and forth. Now he's saying that if it's not Jason, it must be another impostor.

The problem with this however is - and that's the real point over at MaxJax and here - that people like BUMPER_SNIPPET, Pentum, Kapital and others have spent so much time trying to convince us that it really, realy would be Jason.


Either you stand behind what you're claiming or you don't.
You can't try to convince us it would be Jason while at the same time, saying that you could be wrong and in that case it must be another impostor.
You have to defend your claim with the full consequences. No more doding.


My side has always been clear. Whereas you, BUMPER_SNIPPET/Pentum/Kapital & Co., with all respect, are attaching all your hopes at the "Jason" dude.
And if that doesn't work out, you'll be considering to switch to another impostor to go with.

Sore spot.

I really don't know how many times you need to be told that it doesn't matter WHO sings on these tracks....What matters is that it's NOT Michael Jackson...

The voice just happens to sound EXACTLY like JM and NOT like MJ...That truth is in the audio...We stand by what we hear...How hard is that to understand now?

I find it beyond ridiculous at some of the assumptions some of the believers make. It only shows your lack of understanding of the issues we have with the tracks.

 

[Pentum]

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Haha, Korgnex. Man, you're really full of it, aren't you.

Sore spot? What is this I don't even...

 

[kopwatcher]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

This still hasn't been answered yet, by the way.

I answered it pages back.

 

[Anna]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

If the tracks are MJ, I don't understand why they sound more like Malachi than MJ. It doesn't make sense.

 

[donalb]

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bashing? excuse me!!

if you want to believe a person sounds 100% perfect 100% of the time be my guest. However I'll tell you it's not realistic.

I have from firsthand seen very good singers have a off day, miss a note here and there, voice cracking occasionally, cannot be able to feel the song on a particular day etc etc.

and none of this is bashing any of their talent, it's simply being human.

no one here - at least me - isn't bashing anything about Michael. Being a human isn't a negative thing. and making a mistake wouldn't make Michael any less perfect. It would be a normal human thing.



posture definitely affects the breathing



and I didn't say that he hold back his skillful technique or he was overall bad. To me it sounds like a momentarily error and like I said above I find it "normal" in regards to "being a human".

(remember my previous posts that says actually the vocalist flows through the song more easily than JM - which is definitely more skillful vocalist with better breathing pattern IMO)

if you are claiming a "super human" with no mistakes whatsoever , be my guest.

I'm sorry to say Ivy, but I get the sense that you are willing to defend ANY explanation the Cascio's provide regarding the reason the vocals sound different on these songs. At first, I thought you were just playing devil's advocate but now I am not sure. Is it really "logical" to accept that Michael Jackson recorded these songs in the shower just because Eddie said so?

Moreover, the issue isn't about Michael having a "bad day". To me, the vocals on these tracks are fine...they just don't sound like Michael Jackson which is very troubling as they are included on his album.

 

[MJultimatemusiclegen]

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Right. A sore spot they won't admit. If they continue to follow Jason's every step, they'll finally realize that the guy has nothing to do with the tracks.

Earlier in this thread BUMPER_SNIPPET when confronted by me, made a retrograde step:

Uncertainness? YES!
The only ones who are 100% obsessed with the "Jason" dude are Pentum and Kapital who don't have an open mind at the moment (and by me writing this, they will feel offended by it)




Jumping back and forth. Now he's saying that if it's not Jason, it must be another impostor.

The problem with this however is - and that's the real point over at MaxJax and here - that people like BUMPER_SNIPPET, Pentum, Kapital and others have spent so much time trying to convince us that it really, realy would be Jason.


Either you stand behind what you're claiming or you don't.
You can't try to convince us it would be Jason while at the same time stepping back and saying that you could be wrong and in that case it must be another impostor.

On all those previous pages of this thread and the in equivalent thread at Max you guys are trying to convince people on this planet it's Jason Malachi that would be singing these songs.
You're not just saying it wouldn't be Michael Jackson. You're going even further.
THAT'S A BIG AND IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE!!!

You have to defend your claim with the full consequences. No more dodging.


My side has always been clear. Whereas you, BUMPER_SNIPPET/Pentum/Kapital & Co., with all respect, are attaching all your hopes at the "Jason" dude.
And if that doesn't work out, you'll be considering to switch to another impostor to go with.

Sore spot.

Weak weak argument. As Arklove says, it doesn't matter who sings, we know it ain't MJ. You're implying that it automatically makes it MJ if it ain't Malachi, which is just rubbish. "You're not just saying it wouldn't be Michael Jackson. You're going even further.
THAT'S A BIG AND IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE!!!" i think saying it isn't Michael Jackson on a Michael Jackson album on a Michael Jackson fan forum is as far as it goes, anything else is just gossip, talk about missing the point.

 

[Korgnex]

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You're implying that it automatically makes it MJ if it ain't Malachi, which is just rubbish. "You're not just saying it wouldn't be Michael Jackson. You're going even further.
THAT'S A BIG AND IMPORTANT DIFFERENCE!!!" i think saying it isn't Michael Jackson on a Michael Jackson album on a Michael Jackson fan forum is as far as it goes, anything else is just gossip, talk about missing the point.

No, I'm NOT implying this. I'm saying that people on your side are missing the point.

I really don't know how many times you need to be told that it doesn't matter WHO sings on these tracks....What matters is that it's NOT Michael Jackson...

You almost got it.


It DOES matter what you guys are claiming. You are NOT just saying it's not MJ. You are claiming it's Jason.


That claim DOES matter. Or should we just ignore all your previous posts and forget about all those claims you guys have made so far?


I have ZERO problems with the questioning of the vocals.

I have a problem with the claims that you guys have made in the past.
That is the core essence of this thread: Your claims about Jason being the actual singer.

There's no talking about the Cascio songs not being sung by MJ.
There's only talking about the Cascio songs being allegedly sung by the infamous "Jason" whatever dude.

Final stroke.
__________

 

[kopwatcher]

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I'm sorry to say Ivy, but I get the sense that you are willing to defend ANY explanation the Cascio's provide regarding the reason the vocals sound different on these songs. At first, I thought you were just playing devil's advocate but now I am not sure. Is it really "logical" to accept that Michael Jackson recorded these songs in the shower just because Eddie said so?

Moreover, the issue isn't about Michael having a "bad day". To me, the vocals on these tracks are fine...they just don't sound like Michael Jackson which is very troubling as they are included on his album.

I've said it before, but I have to agree. The vocalist doesn't sound like they're having an off day, they just sound completely different. With all of the far-fetched 'dog ate my homework' excuses we've heard from the Cascios, along with the other evidence, I cannot see how one could just put all that to one side.

Moreover, there seems to be a desperation to try and poke holes in our reasoning when there is none. It just reinforces my view that we're trying to argue with someone's belief here, which is impossible to change, regardless of how much evidence you have.

 

[kreen]

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Putting aside the "logic" and what your HEAD tells you about these songs, what does your HEART feel? When you hear these songs, do you get that same warm feeling that you know so well when you listen to other songs by Michael Jackson?

They're just 3 more MJ songs to me. I like them much more than most of the stuff on Invincible. Ironically, I like them more because all of MJ's trademark yelps and hiccups and woo-hoos are on the Cascio tracks, whereas MJ seems to have consciously stepped away from those trademarks on Invincible. We barely even get a "hee-hee" on Invincible : at least they're on the Cascio tracks.

 

[kopwatcher]

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There's not a 'hee hee' or a 'hoo hoo' on Butterflies and Speechless, but they're two of his greatest songs ever. Do you judge MJ songs on how many 'hee hees' and 'hoo hoo's they have? Is Walk Right Now your favourite song by any chance?

 

[Pentum]

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Korgnex: I don't see the problem. I claim it's Jason and I've claimed it's Jason since the first second I heard BN.

Question, what happens if you actually write "Jason Malachi"? Do you die?

 

[MJultimatemusiclegen]

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You almost got it.


It DOES matter what you guys are claiming. You are NOT just saying it's not MJ. You are claiming it's Jason.


That claim DOES matter. Or should we just ignore all your previous posts and forget about all those claims you guys have made so far?


I have ZERO problems with the questioning of the vocals.

I have a problem with the claims that you guys have made in the past.
That is the core essence of this thread: Your claims about Jason being the actual singer.

There's no talking about the Cascio songs not being sung by MJ.
There's only talking about the Cascio songs being sung by the infamous "Jason" whatever dude.

Final stroke.
__________

What rubbish, there are pages and pages and pages, about this not being sung by MJ, rather than it being sung by Jason. Infact since breaking news first streamed i'd put it as much as 20/1 to the former. Stop using grouped terms to describe only a small percentage of the doubters as all of them.

 

[love is magical]

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bashing? excuse me!!

if you want to believe a person sounds 100% perfect 100% of the time be my guest. However I'll tell you it's not realistic.

I have from firsthand seen very good singers have a off day, miss a note here and there, voice cracking occasionally, cannot be able to feel the song on a particular day etc etc.

and none of this is bashing any of their talent, it's simply being human.

no one here - at least me - isn't bashing anything about Michael. Being a human isn't a negative thing. and making a mistake wouldn't make Michael any less perfect. It would be a normal human thing.



posture definitely affects the breathing



and I didn't say that he hold back his skillful technique or he was overall bad. To me it sounds like a momentarily error and like I said above I find it "normal" in regards to "being a human".

(remember my previous posts that says actually the vocalist flows through the song more easily than JM - which is definitely more skillful vocalist with better breathing pattern IMO)

if you are claiming a "super human" with no mistakes whatsoever , be my guest.

Ivy, I'm not claming Michael was a super human and never made any mistakes. But, it's true that he could accomplish tasks that many think are impossible to do.

Okay. How do I explain it.... Let's compare breathing technique to writing skill. A technical writer can write a masterpiece when he puts his heart in it. But, will a good writer make grammatical errors when he's asked to write a casual letter? Good writing is like the writer's second nature.

I understand Michael could have trouble hitting a note and feeling a song on a off day. But, how could forget how he tend to breath all his life?

The thing is if I look at each individual exception. Each one is individually possible. If I add all of them up, then it becomes unbelievable. I mean I have to believe all of the following to accept the Cascio tracks.

1. Michael recorded 12 demos in sub-par studio. Okay..

2. Michael was willing to compromise with crappy recording equipment and amateur producers. Fine...

3. Michael recorded through a PVC pipe. Eh....

4. Michael recorded in a shower while sitting down. Really.....

5. Michael snorted or made a breathing error. WTF..........

6. Michael sang lyrics that are unusually weak. OMG...........

I just have problem imagining Michael did all of the above.

 

[kopwatcher]

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1. Michael recorded 12 demos in sub-par studio. Okay..

2. Michael was willing to compromise with crappy recording equipment and amateur producers. Fine...

3. Michael recorded through a PVC pipe. Eh....

4. Michael recorded in a shower while sitting down. Really.....

5. Michael snorted or made a breathing error. WTF..........

6. Michael sang lyrics that are unusually weak. OMG...........

I just have problem imagining Michael did all of the above.

7. Cascios miraculously lost all evidence.

8. MJ having an off-day on sub-par equipment sounds exactly like JM.

...


I mean, COME ON,....really?

 

[kreen]

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No, I'm NOT implying this. I'm saying that people on your side are missing the point.






You almost got it.


It DOES matter what you guys are claiming. You are NOT just saying it's not MJ. You are claiming it's Jason.


That claim DOES matter. Or should we just ignore all your previous posts and forget about all those claims you guys have made so far?


I have ZERO problems with the questioning of the vocals.

I have a problem with the claims that you guys have made in the past.
That is the core essence of this thread: Your claims about Jason being the actual singer.

There's no talking about the Cascio songs not being sung by MJ.
There's only talking about the Cascio songs being allegedly sung by the infamous "Jason" whatever dude.

Final stroke.
__________

Korgnex is right about this. It is revisionism on the level of a Stalinist bureaucrat for the doubters here to now say you don't claim it is Jason Malachi who sings on the tracks, but merely "some impostor". Need I remind you of all the pages and pages of supposedly "damning" comparisons made between the Cascio tracks and JM's stuff, plucked from the Internet?

Besides, how many competent vocal MJ impersonators are there? If the Cascios didn't get JM, then who COULD they get? Some mystery person no one's ever heard of?

 

[Pentum]

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Of course you think Korgnex is right, he's on your "side".

Question, what happens if you actually write "Jason Malachi"? Do you die?

Please answer, I am really interested in this.

 

[Arklove]

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You want certainty? Fine. I'm CERTAIN it's not Michael Jackson on these songs. Which is what the non-believers have been saying since the beginning of this thread.

The believers can't claim this certainty because of the abundance of excuses that are flooding this thread since the beginning.

So, now, who's certain and who's not?

 

[donalb]

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They're just 3 more MJ songs to me. I like them much more than most of the stuff on Invincible. Ironically, I like them more because all of MJ's trademark yelps and hiccups and woo-hoos are on the Cascio tracks, whereas MJ seems to have consciously stepped away from those trademarks on Invincible. We barely even get a "hee-hee" on Invincible : at least they're on the Cascio tracks.

Indeed...thanks to the copy/paste from previous songs. Teddy did his job

 

[MJultimatemusiclegen]

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Korgnex is right about this. It is revisionism on the level of a Stalinist bureaucrat for the doubters here to now say you don't claim it is Jason Malachi who sings on the tracks, but merely "some impostor". Need I remind you of all the pages and pages of supposedly "damning" comparisons made between the Cascio tracks and JM's stuff, plucked from the Internet?

Besides, how many competent vocal MJ impersonators are there? If the Cascios didn't get JM, then who COULD they get? Some mystery person no one's ever heard of?

Yet again, washed in ignorance. You don't listen do you. Your grouping all the 'doubters' again saying everyone of them all thought it was malachi. If you want read the entire history of my posts in this or any thread, i don't believe Michael sings these songs, but i never said Malachi did either. And that's just doubter number 1 that you've incorrectly stereotyped.

 

[kreen]

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1. Michael recorded 12 demos in sub-par studio. Okay..

2. Michael was willing to compromise with crappy recording equipment and amateur producers. Fine...

3. Michael recorded through a PVC pipe. Eh....

4. Michael recorded in a shower while sitting down. Really.....

5. Michael snorted or made a breathing error. WTF..........

6. Michael sang lyrics that are unusually weak. OMG...........

I just have problem imagining Michael did all of the above.

But why? Why do you have a problem with all of the above, when they're all entirely plausible and consistent with the official chronology of what happened?

MJ was friends with the Cascios. He stayed with them for months. They had an amateur studio. He agreed to record with them. Now some of these songs are on the new album.

In what way is all of this difficult to accept? And in what way is it more unbelievable than the alternative, which is the hoax storyline?

Could I venture another psychological theory? Could it be that some fans, for whom MJ always was and always will be the biggest superstar in the world, just don't like the idea that, at the end of his life, his situation really had changed to the point where he wouldn't think it unworthy of him to do just what he did : record a bunch of tracks with friends of his, in an unprofessional studio? To go from the Hit Factory to a bathroom in a basement is indeed a decline, in superficial terms, for a big superstar like MJ, but that was the reality in 2007.