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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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samhabib said:
Remind us what proof the 'believers' have again?
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They are Michael Jackson songs, on an official Michael Jackson release by Sony, and they sound like Michael Jackson. They're also officially registered as Michael Jackson songs with music publisher BMI. If this isn't sufficient reason to believe a given singer's songs are really his, then 90 % of the recorded pop and rock output on the last 100 years is doubtful and possibly inauthentic, because that's as much proof as we have for most artists and records out there.
 
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They were amateurs aniram. Total amateurs playing at being producers in their crappy home studio. Can you not tell by listening to the total mess that is 'breaking news'? The production is atrocious. No amount of 'finishing' by riley could save that mess.
Kreen i had to lol when i got to the 'they sound like michael jackson' part of your post. Your post is proof of nothing. You really are very naive if you think a huge company is not capable of corruption or fraud.
 
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Aniram said:
How is that not an intelligent point to make? You think they'd leave a very large snort in there or you think they'd ask him to rerecord the take, if it was a fake?

Must be that they left the snort in so you all could point it out, huh? You guys are all the true Michael Jackson fans without handicapped ears like us who have no idea what the guy sounds like.
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You're right. And it's just a coincidence that those bullshit songs feature the lines 'fake fake breaking news', 'they're gunning for the money so they fake it' and 'why did you fake it?'
 
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Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Freudian slips galore there sam!
'Fakey fakin breakin the news' lol
Why has nobody put that 'fakin' in a comparison next to when malachi sings 'fakin' on 'don't walk away'?
 
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kreen said:
They are Michael Jackson songs, on an official Michael Jackson release by Sony, and they sound like Michael Jackson. They're also officially registered as Michael Jackson songs with music publisher BMI. If this isn't sufficient reason to believe a given singer's songs are really his, then 90 % of the recorded pop and rock output on the last 100 years is doubtful and possibly inauthentic, because that's as much proof as we have for most artists and records out there.
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So if you have all the proof you need, why are you in a thread with a title 'ONLY Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy'?
 
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Honestly, why would they leave all these clues about 'faking it'... This is like saying Paul McCartney was replaced and there have been all these clues left.
 
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samhabib said:
So if you have all the proof you need, why are you in a thread with a title 'ONLY Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy'?
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Would you rather be all alone in this thread, so you can talk to yourself?

I come in here hoping new arguments or new proof will indeed come out of our discussions, one way or another. Unlike some, I'm prepared to change my mind -- about anything -- if good reasons are brought forward.
 
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Aniram said:
Honestly, why would they leave all these clues about 'faking it'... This is like saying Paul McCartney was replaced and there have been all these clues left.
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Apart from the fact that Paul McCartney always sounded like Paul McCartney.

Why do YOU think they've put those clues in those songs?
 
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kreen said:
Would you rather be all alone in this thread, so you can talk to yourself?

I come in here hoping new arguments or new proof will indeed come out of our discussions, one way or another. Unlike some, I'm prepared to change my mind -- about anything -- if good reasons are brought forward.
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I suggest going through the thread again...You'll find plenty of good reasons....You just have to wade through the ocean of excuses...
 
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Aniram why don't you go google 'freudian slip'?
 
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You're serious? Both lines are about faking tabloid stories... Fail.
 
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You didn't google it did you?
Anyway yeah it's ironic that it's about fakin the news. Clearly it's not all that's faked though.
 
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I already know what it means. I'm not an idiot, thank you.
 
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I am not on either side at the moment, but I can clearly hear the snorts on the clips Pentum pasted together. They're glaringly obvious, so whoever can't hear them must either have bad hearing or are mentally blocking them out.
 
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Aniram said:
You're serious? Both lines are about faking tabloid stories... Fail.
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Three lines in two different songs? Three lines in 2 out of the 3 Cascio songs? That sound nothing like Michael Jackson?
 
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^ I can hear the snorts.

And yes, samhabib, in two songs that are focused on tabloid gossip. Yes... two out of twelve that we've heard exist. Yes.
 
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I never said or even suggested you were an idiot aniram.
 
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I know but you said I didn't google it, did I? I didn't need to google freudian slip because I learned what it means back in the fifth or sixth grade.
 
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Aniram said:
^ I can hear the snorts.
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Find a Michael Jackson song where you can hear anything similar. Go. Now. Go and find one. Just one.
 
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samhabib said:
Find a Michael Jackson song where you can hear anything similar. Go. Now. Go and find one. Just one.
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see this is not a good comparison.

In a song when recording the final vocals you can record it multiple times until it's perfect. so even if Michael "snorted" occasionally it wouldn't be in any of the professionally released song, would it now? He could simply re-record it.

This just show us that there was one take of the vocals which happens to be imperfect.
 
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You're comparing studio releases to a rough demo recorded in a lo-fi environment.

Plus, we have no proof that Michael's voice was sounding all that great in 2007. WBSS 2008, I'm sorry, is an extremely poor example.

We need to compare very scratch demos from the very beginning of a recording period when Michael had not been in the studio for quite some time... This is nearly impossible.

As you can see, probably already know, you have no proof, either. We have like two or three recordings to compare to.. out of how many that he recorded in a highly professional production environment?

First, I don't know why they'd fake these songs right after Michael's death. Either they knew he was going to die or there are lots more people in on this and NO ONE has a guilty conscience about them because of this? Eddie Cascio is just perfectly fine smiling and talking about his love for Michael while he went through all this work to fake twelve songs?

You're saying Eddie Cascio is soooo desperate for credit as a producer that he faked these tracks or what? I honestly remember seeing that being said earlier in the thread.

Second, why did they not ensure that the tracks were sung better? A lot of people have said that 'All I Need is better... the vibrato is better. It shows that Jason CAN do the vibrato. But it's still there in spots... FAKE!'

So, if Jason COULD do the vibrato good in some places, why didn't they have him perfect the songs so that he didn't sound like that? Why didn't HE put in the extra effort to sound like Michael Jackson? Why did they leave all these CLUES? Why would Jason Malachi even agree to sing the lines 'They fake it' 'Why did you fake it'?

Wouldn't he say something like, 'Hey I don't know about this line, guys... Maybe it's a little obvious? I don't want it to be, like, blatant or anything.'

Mysterious evil Sony producer: "No, Malachi, we're leaving all the clues... They will find us out immediately. That's just what we want."

Malachi: "It is? :eek:"
 
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Oh my goodness, you guys! I've figured this out. It's been staring us in the face the whole time. Check this out:

MJ was staying at the Cascio's and he got the flu. He was tired, congested and his voice was messed up. Then he developed a high fever, so to cool down he decided to have a cold shower. He decided to have this cold shower in his gold pants. Just because he felt like it.
Anyway, unknown to MJ, as he was shivering and singing away the time in the shower, Eddie had a secret microphone hidden in the wall that recorded the whole thing. :doh:


Dun dun duuun!


I know right. No need to thank me. You're welcome.























































Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
 
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ivy said:
see this is not a good comparison.

In a song when recording the final vocals you can record it multiple times until it's perfect. so even if Michael "snorted" occasionally it wouldn't be in any of the professionally released song, would it now? He could simply re-record it.

This just show us that there was one take of the vocals which happens to be imperfect.
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But there's no proof that the songs credited to Malachi are 'one take'. That's the story - which is completely bogus - that is attributed to the Cascio songs. But we're also lead to believe that Malachi's commercially available songs were ALSO recorded in one take?

Black or White and Fall Again were recorded in one take. Any sign of the snort on those?
 
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Haha, it's getting old...
 
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samhabib said:
But there's no proof that the songs credited to Malachi are 'one take'. That's the story - which is completely bogus - that is attributed to the Cascio songs. But we're also lead to believe that Malachi's commercially available songs were ALSO recorded in one take?

Black or White and Fall Again were recorded in one take. Any sign of the snort on those?
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seen my previous post that says that I think the "snorts" are different in nature?
 
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@samhabib: Those were recorded during a time when he was professionally recording a lot of high quality demos. Wasn't Black Or White recorded during the Dangerous sessions, when his voice was insanely amazing? He was still very young.

Wasn't Fall Again recorded during Invincible era? Someone told me that... If that's true, he had been doing a lot of training during the recording of that album.
 
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ivy said:
see this is not a good comparison.

In a song when recording the final vocals you can record it multiple times until it's perfect. so even if Michael "snorted" occasionally it wouldn't be in any of the professionally released song, would it now? He could simply re-record it.

This just show us that there was one take of the vocals which happens to be imperfect.
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Included in at least three of Jason's own songs + at least two of The Cascio songs.

What it actually shows is a typical mistake Jason did when singing, something he did when recording The Cascio songs as well.

Aniram said:
Haha, it's getting old...
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What's getting old is the excuse that Michael didn't have it back in 2007. What the hell? He never lost it, and he certainly didn't get a different voice, THEN got his old voice back again one year later, I mean, this "theory" is so stupid!
 
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samhabib said:
Apart from the fact that Paul McCartney always sounded like Paul McCartney.

Why do YOU think they've put those clues in those songs?
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Because "fakes" rhymes with "breaks"?

Come on man, if you're seriously thinking that, in addition to all of the farfetched aspects of your theory, we now have to add that they cleverly left CLUES of their hoax in their songs.. What can I say man...
 
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I don't think he 'lost it'. No one can really point out a note that he sings that is wrong, can they? The only thing I can hear is the over-processed vibrato and a fake effect on the voice to try to make it sound less 'tinny'.
 
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kreen said:
What can I say man...
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There's nothing you can say that makes those songs sound like Michael Jackson songs. Sad that, right? Beat around the bush all you want but the audio still sounds the same.
 
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