Michael - The Great Album Debate

[kreen]

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Three lines in two different songs? Three lines in 2 out of the 3 Cascio songs? That sound nothing like Michael Jackson?

There's 12 Cascio songs, so for this new theory of yours to hold any water -- the idea the Cascio left CLUES -- there would need to be references to "faking" in more than 2 songs out of 12. Or the Cascios also failed at providing clues.

 

[samhabib]

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Haha, it's getting old...

And what Michael Jackson songs have you found? That's right. None. Go on... go and dig something out. Until then, save it.

 

[Aniram]

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They don't sound like Malachi songs, either. There's something much better about them. Malachi songs don't usually go anywhere. These songs have evolution to them that Malachi has never had in his music.

So obviously, if they're faked, they hired a damn good team of songwriters... and it all went to waste because they haven't released any of them as singles. Funny, huh?

 

[kreen]

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There's nothing you can say that makes those songs sound like Michael Jackson songs.

If the songs didn't sound like MJ, there would be and could be no hoax. If you believe in the hoax theory, you have to admit the Cascio tracks sound like MJ. So which is it?

 

[ivy]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

What it actually shows is a typical mistake Jason did when singing, something he did when recording The Cascio songs as well.

again seen my previous post?

the two snorts I distinctively hear at Cascio songs (Breaking News and the first one that you posted from KYHU) are nasal and yes actually sound like snorts. Which makes me think that they are breathing errors.

The so called snorts from Jason Malachi is not nasal and sound much more clean. Which actually makes me think that it's due to improper singing technique and mainly him moving his tongue.
(proper singing technique calls for a relaxed and resting tongue out of the way for a good singing voice. If you move your tongue it would block the sound. For example if you move your tongue to the back of your mouth you would sound like "choked" , if you don't open your mouth a good amount and move your tongue up and down you would have the "hissing" sound)

and ps: and I called samhabib's request to compare to professional MJ songs to Cascio songs as "not good comparison". It wasn't directed to your comparison audio.

 

[Pentum]

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I think you are wrong. I think all of the sounds are the same thing - breathing errors. I usually get the same thing when trying to sound like Michael (really, not that it matters).

The one in BN are very loud, but the one in KYHU is almost IDENTICAL to the Room To Breath one. If I had a KYHU a cappella, it would sound "cleaner".

 

[samhabib]

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So obviously, if they're faked, they hired a damn good team of songwriters...

Yeah, the creme de la creme. "Killing up the life in the birds and the trees... sucking up the air from the earth and under me".

Almost Shakespearean, really.

 

[love is magical]

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Oh my goodness, you guys! I've figured this out. It's been staring us in the face the whole time. Check this out:

MJ was staying at the Cascio's and he got the flu. He was tired, congested and his voice was messed up. Then he developed a high fever, so to cool down he decided to have a cold shower. He decided to have this cold shower in his gold pants. Just because he felt like it.
Anyway, unknown to MJ, as he was shivering and singing away the time in the shower, Eddie had a secret microphone hidden in the wall that recorded the whole thing. :doh:

Dun dun duuun!

I know right. No need to thank me. You're welcome.

Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

ROFL... :lmao::lmao::lmao:

MJ had cold shower in his gold pants... sorry, i can't help myself neither. :naughty:

 

[Aniram]

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@samhabib: I like that line a lot. Just shows that this is more of an issue of you not liking the songs rather than thinking they're fake.

 

[samhabib]

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If the songs didn't sound like MJ, there would be and could be no hoax. If you believe in the hoax theory, you have to admit the Cascio tracks sound like MJ. So which is it?

The songs sound nothing like Michael Jackson. Absolutely nothing like him.

Your point is akin to 'If there weren't some weapons then the US couldn't have invaded Iraq'. Which was nonsense when George Bush went to war. And is equally nonsense when Sony released these monstrosities.

 

[samhabib]

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@samhabib: I like that line a lot. Just shows that this is more of an issue of you not liking the songs rather than thinking they're fake.

I honestly couldn't care less if you liked it or not. The lyric is pathetic. By any stretch of the English language.

 

[Aniram]

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I don't care if you like it or not either. I really don't care too much for what closed-minded people think.

 

[ivy]

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I usually get the same thing when trying to sound like Michael (really, not that it matters).

actually can you explain this further, I'm interested.

so you don't normally snort when singing but it happens when you try to sound like Michael. am I right?

what do you do to sound like Michael? and when does this snorts happen?

 

[Anna]

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ROFL... :lmao::lmao::lmao:

MJ had cold shower in his gold pants... sorry, i can't help myself neither. :naughty:

:shifty:

 

[Aniram]

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actually can you explain this further, I'm interested.

so you don't normally snort when singing but it happens when you try to sound like Michael. am I right?

what do you do to sound like Michael? and when does this snorts happen?

Good point, ivy. If, perhaps, this is common with trying to sound like Michael, perhaps he did it sometimes as well.

 

[Pentum]

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actually can you explain this further, I'm interested.

so you don't normally snort when singing but it happens when you try to sound like Michael. am I right?

what do you do to sound like Michael? and when does this snorts happen?

No, I normally don't make snort sound when singing in my normal voice. It happens when I try to sound like Michael when singing.

What I do to try to sound like Michael, oh boy. Not really easy to explain. It's like I have this extra voice that's called "Michael voice", which I activate when I sing MJ songs. This sounds really stupid. The snort usually comes when I'm changing to a different word. I'm not saying it happens all the time, but it happens.

Good point, ivy. If, perhaps, this is common with trying to sound like Michael, perhaps he did it sometimes as well.

Like in Room To Breath, Critical, KYHU, BN, etc. This isn't Jason's "real" voice.

 

[samhabib]

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Good point, ivy. If, perhaps, this is common with trying to sound like Michael, perhaps he did it sometimes as well.

Have you found a song where he does it yet?

 

[kreen]

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The songs sound nothing like Michael Jackson. Absolutely nothing like him.

Then your opinion, for all of the hundreds of messages you've written here, is clearly and demonstrably wrong. Because the ONLY way the hoax could even be perpetrated -- the ONLY way the Cascios could sell their songs to Sony, and Sony could put them on the album, and music stores could stock the album, and people could buy the album, and reviewers could review the album -- is if the Cascio tracks SOUND LIKE MJ.

If they sounded like Bob Dylan, or Frank Sinatra, of Elvis Presley, or anybody else aside from MJ, the hoax could not have taken place.

The fact that you reject this obvious, logical truth -- while other doubters like yourself at least admit it -- shows that, in your case at least, your hatred of the Cascio recordings is based on irrationality.

Regarding this, I think I have come up with one of the reasons for the doubters' continued obsession with Jason Malachi. I think you just HATE the idea that this guy made money off MJ's name, and you feel that, if you stop doubting the songs, you're letting him get away with it.

Would it help you to realize that Jason Malachi is just a regular guy, currently working a regular blue-collar job, trying to make end's meets? He's not on the Michael album. He's not rich. He's not smoking a big cigar in a bathtub full of money and laughing at you. You can stop hating him now.

 

[Pentum]

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Regarding this, I think I have come up with one of the reasons for the doubters' continued obsession with Jason Malachi. I think you just HATE the idea that this guy made money off MJ's name, and you feel that, if you stop doubting the songs, you're letting him get away with it.

Would it help you to realize that Jason Malachi is just a regular guy, currently working a regular blue-collar job, trying to make end's meets? He's not on the Michael album. He's not rich. He's not smoking a big cigar in a bathtub full of money and laughing at you. You can stop hating him now.

You're doing it wrong.

 

[Aniram]

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Would it help you to realize that Jason Malachi is just a regular guy, currently working a regular blue-collar job, trying to make end's meets? He's not on the Michael album. He's not rich. He's not smoking a big cigar in a bathtub full of money and laughing at you. You can stop hating him now.

This, 100%.

 

[MJultimatemusiclegen]

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Then your opinion, for all of the hundreds of messages you've written here, is clearly and demonstrably wrong. Because the ONLY way the hoax could even be perpetrated -- the ONLY way the Cascios could sell their songs to Sony, and Sony could put them on the album, and music stores could stock the album, and people could buy the album, and reviewers could review the album -- is if the Cascio tracks SOUND LIKE MJ.

If they sounded like Bob Dylan, or Frank Sinatra, of Elvis Presley, or anybody else aside from MJ, the hoax could not have taken place.

The fact that you reject this obvious, logical truth -- while other doubters like yourself at least admit it -- shows that, in your case at least, your hatred of the Cascio recordings is based on irrationality.

Regarding this, I think I have come up with one of the reasons for the doubters' continued obsession with Jason Malachi. I think you just HATE the idea that this guy made money off MJ's name, and you feel that, if you stop doubting the songs, you're letting him get away with it.

Would it help you to realize that Jason Malachi is just a regular guy, currently working a regular blue-collar job, trying to make end's meets? He's not on the Michael album. He's not rich. He's not smoking a big cigar in a bathtub full of money and laughing at you. You can stop hating him now.

The whole first half of your reply is rediculously pedantic. You knew exactly what he meant. And it's totally incorrect to group all doubters as obsessed with Jason Malachi, because it is not true.

 

[samhabib]

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your hatred of the Cascio recordings is based on irrationality.

Noise.

My hatred of the Cascio tracks is based on a greater understanding of Michael Jackson's ability than any bullshit journalist who has embarrassed themselves by putting pen to paper and celebrating this crap (looking at you Mr. Friedman).

Any 'professional' who voiced an opinion earns their money from Sony, (looking at you Mr. Riley).

So save it.

Talking about earning money from Sony, you should ask them to sponsor your posts. You're going beyond the call of duty as a fan in their defence, they should at least be paying you for the privilege.

 

[love is magical]

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@samhabib: I like that line a lot. Just shows that this is more of an issue of you not liking the songs rather than thinking they're fake.

Authenticity issue aside, the lyrics of KYHU are weak. The lyrics are just all over the place. You may think we are making fun of a woman looking for a job while working two jobs and waiting tables day and night in a restauuuurannnntt. But, it's true the first verse is quite ridiculous. I'm not saying a woman cannot look for a better job while working two jobs and working in a restaurant the whole day. Do I think it's a good way to express a woman's desparation? No, I don't.

Then, the lyrics shift from the woman to birds and trees. So, what's the message now? A woman's desperation or ecology? The woman feels almost suffocating or environmental issue?

Then, the vocalist expressed how he needs love and wished love will come soon. So, now what happened to the woman?

For me, the lyrics are so fragmented, I don't know what to make out from the song.

At first, I like the song. KYHU is the only Cascio tracks I can stand. I found it quite inspiring at the beginning (I do like the bridge. Everybody say that time is borrowed. Hanging down your head is no good. If you dare to rise above tomorrow. Just give yourself a chance Fight the circumstance. Rise and do it again.) But, the song is shallow; opposite to most other Michael Jackson songs. It doesn't grow on me.

Fake or real. The lyrics of this song really needs some work.

 

[Pentum]

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Stupid post by kreen and stupid post by Aniram saying "100%", WTF?

I don't hate Jason Malachi and everything you said is simply just wrong. "Continued obsession with Jason Malachi" , are you for real? We think it's him singing the songs, debating about it. Does this make us obsessed with Jason? We are only obsessed with Michael Jackson.

 

[mjjesamor]

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Exactly mjultimatemusician.
It's not just about 'sounding like' anyway. Clearly it's not enough to 'sound like' michael in parts of a song to be undoubtedly a michael jackson song. Sounding like and being are not the same.

 

[Aniram]

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I said I agree 100% to the fact that Jason Malachi isn't on these tracks and he's a normal guy who isn't making tons of money off of this and isn't hiding this big secret. It's not stupid. It makes complete sense.

 

[Worldwide]

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And what Michael Jackson songs have you found? That's right. None. Go on... go and dig something out. Until then, save it. I'm right and you are wrong. I am special.

There fixed your post for you, no need to thank me Sam.

 

[ivy]

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No, I normally don't make snort sound when singing in my normal voice. It happens when I try to sound like Michael when singing.

What I do to try to sound like Michael, oh boy. Not really easy to explain. It's like I have this extra voice that's called "Michael voice", which I activate when I sing MJ songs. This sounds really stupid. The snort usually comes when I'm changing to a different word. I'm not saying it happens all the time, but it happens.

thank you for the answer.

Like I said even your explanation makes me think that it's not a breathing error on your part (as you don't normally snort) but it's more because of an improper singing technique. Most probably "singing like Michael" isn't a normal thing for you and you modify your technique to sing like him which results in those errors due to change.

I hear the "snorts" clearly (apparently I'm not that deaf). and honestly the snorts in Cascio songs are much more apparent than anything we hear at a JM song and to me they are definitely more nasal. that's why to me it's more like a breathing error on those songs.

 

[Pentum]

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I said I agree 100% to the fact that Jason Malachi isn't on these tracks and he's a normal guy who isn't making tons of money off of this and isn't hiding this big secret. It's not stupid. It makes complete sense.

If that's what you agreed on, then I apologise. I took it that you agreed on his lame theory.

I heat the "snorts" clearly (apparently I'm not that deaf). and honestly the snorts in Cascio songs are much more apparent than anything we hear at a JM song and to me they are definitely more nasal. that's why to me it's more like a breathing error on those songs.

Well, okay. I didn't even know what a snort was, I just had to find a word to describe the sound, which I could've called a breathing error. It seems like the breathing error is something that sometimes happens with Jason when trying to sound like Michael.

 

[mjjesamor]

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So ivy are you saying that on the cascio tracks michael jackson makes 'breathing errors' ? And that malachi does the same but to a lesser extent purely by coincidence?
Wow to believe in the authenticity of the cascio tracks one has to believe in a lot of coincidences and statistically highly unlightly things!