Michael - The Great Album Debate

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Yeah, samhabib, maybe everyone will leave and you can just talk to yourself.

We'll just come in here to get updates from you, our master. :bow:


GOOOOOOAAAAAAAAALLLLLL!!!!!!!!! :lol:

 

[Jesta]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I most likely won't. I probably won't for a while. I keep coming back in hopes that this thread will return to us basically talking about our fandom rather than imposing opinions on one another. Besides, I get enough arguments/abuse/disrespect at school as it is.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Yeah, samhabib, maybe everyone will leave and you can just talk to yourself.

We'll just come in here to get updates from you, our master. :bow:


GOOOOOOAAAAAAAAALLLLLL!!!!!!!!! :lol:

From the person who just earlier complained about a poster being rude them. The irony.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

hopes that this thread will return to us basically talking about our fandom

You're in the wrong thread, in that case.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

True, I find it horrifying how some of these doubters have acted towards other members. Have you no respect? Michael Jackson never would have treated other fans the way some of you do.

It's insane. It's hurtful!

There are a lot of young people on here, there are a lot of people who have gone through a lot of hurt and abuse. We don't need to hear it on a Michael Jackson forum. There are ways of communicating that are polite and peaceful and not violent and abusive.

And sheesh, samhabib, my post above was so lighthearted. You need to stop taking yourself so seriously. There's a difference between joking around and being plain rude and most people here can see it. I was simply standing up for Jesta, who just said their opinion again and you pop in again with a typical smartass rude remark.

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Then don't enter this thread!!!!!!!

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Okay, this is the violent abusive thread, so stay away? That's what you're saying?

No debate takes place. If you try to do that, you will just be ridiculed and you will start seeing words fly at you, like, 'excuses', 'bullshit', 'nonsense', 'ridiculous', 'stupid', etc.

 

[kreen]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

It begins with the fact that the songs didn't sound anything like Michael Jackson.

If the songs didn't sound anything like MJ, there would be no hoax.

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

If you take things too personal, then yes. Stay away.

"who have gone through a lot of hurt and abuse"

If this thread is some how a reminder of these things, then it's really not the thread for you.

 

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Okay, this is the violent abusive thread, so stay away? That's what you're saying?

No debate takes place. If you try to do that, you will just be ridiculed and you will start seeing words fly at you, like, 'excuses', 'bullshit', 'nonsense', 'ridiculous', 'stupid', etc.

I think you're being a little bit dramatic, don't you think? You don't need to be in the thread if you feel you can't handle it...

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I don't know how it isn't a reminder if someone is being rude to you. Why is it hard to be polite, Pentum?

 

[ivy]

Yeahh, you end telling me exactly what i talked to you.

Cascios call You tube to erase the new comparisons.

It´s not automated.

They will be erased by Cascios/Porte.

okay let's say that they are removed by a manual request by Cascio / Porte / Malachi / Sony.

So what? Why does that surprise you ?

The intent of those videos is to call those people liar / cheat / fraud. and they are exercising their legal rights against them.

Yeah "exercising their legal rights" is something we cannot say about some other parties such as Jackson's right?

And please do not say "if they have nothing to hide they wouldn't remove them" because you are actually saying "I want to defame them and expect them take it lying down". As you know if you call anyone liar they would reject it and that's what they are doing here. they aren't blabbing their mouth at social networks , they are exercising their legal rights.

If you are so against these it is your turn to exercise your own legal rights.

It makes no sense for copyrighted material to be on Youtube and then other copywritten material to not be on Youtube. How on earth do you explain how there are millions of live MJ videos on Youtube - completely contravening copyrights - yet these comparison videos are removed quicker than anything? The fact that the material is 'copywritten' is, then, not the deciding factor.

I explained that - youtube doesn't decide to what videos to remove , what copyright to apply on its own. As a copyright owner you need to make a request for it. so they could have filed a request for removal of "breaking news" and not for "smooth criminal". If that's the case all the videos containing "breaking news" will be removed and a million videos that contains "smooth criminal" will be available.

It all depends on what copyright request they filled out with Youtube.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

True, I find it horrifying how some of these doubters have acted towards other members. Have you no respect? Michael Jackson never would have treated other fans the way some of you do.

It's insane. It's hurtful!

There are a lot of young people on here, there are a lot of people who have gone through a lot of hurt and abuse. We don't need to hear it on a Michael Jackson forum. There are ways of communicating that are polite and peaceful and not violent and abusive.

And sheesh, samhabib, my post above was so lighthearted. You need to stop taking yourself so seriously. There's a difference between joking around and being plain rude and most people here can see it. I was simply standing up for Jesta, who just said their opinion again and you pop in again with a typical smartass rude remark.

Let me try to explain it to you like this.

I don't treat Michael Jackson's legacy lightly. It's not a 'light-hearted' issue for me. It's deadly serious. I take it deadly serious. And any attack on it I take seriously.

You have no idea what I've been through. You're sympathetic to the 'believers' feelings but you don't care about anyone elses? How do you know what 'hurt' I've been through or I haven't been through?

This isn't a light-hearted issue for me. So excuse me for taking it seriously.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Yes, something is up, but there's no real point in faking these tracks...

I don't see anything super harmful about them. It's not like he's admitting to being a pedophile and everyone's saying these songs are evidence of that. It's a few songs where he talks about making the world better, being in love, and tabloids talking about him..... why would they need to fake songs about that? He has hundreds.

Yes, there are incentives to fake the tracks.

I'm pretty sure the Estate does not want to put all eggs in one basket. The Estate wants to spread the genuine Michael Jackson songs to multiple releases. Yes, Michael may have hundreds of songs in the vault. He even said it himself. However, these hundreds of songs vary in terms of completeness. Many of them may not even be releasable. Many of them may just contains one verse or a few lines. Half complete songs out-number fully complete songs. These Cascio tracks open the door for further mediocre songs to come to light.

Think about it. Let's assume Sony only has 10 songs with complete Michael Jackson vocals. Should Sony include all 10 songs in one album, or split them to two albums? Will the sales from one album exceed the combined sales of two albums? Keep in mind all releases now are posthumous release. Even if you have a great album with all killer tracks, the album still may not appeal to the general public.

Also, I hardly think the lyrics of KYHU is about making the world better.

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

This is what the people who believed Jason was Michael a few years back said. How ironic?

4) Some people say that Jason's songs are not quite good enough to be Michael Jackson songs. They say the production is the digitalized, and that Malachi's vocals aren't as great as Michael Jackson. Well, Jason Malachi's songs are really Michael Jackson DEMOs. Michael Jackson's demos are only blueprints, people. If you listen to the demos for "Don't stop til you get enough," "Billie Jean," etc, you'll see that the music sounds stripped down and the vocals are no where near as great as the finished version. Michael NEVER gives his best vocals on his demos, nor is the music at its best quality. Michael Jackson has released these demos to the public to get a reaction, and he'll hit us with a major release a little later.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

True, I find it horrifying how some of these doubters have acted towards other members. Have you no respect? Michael Jackson never would have treated other fans the way some of you do.

It's insane. It's hurtful!

I don't get it. Why don't you say the same thing to the non-doubters who are disrecpectful to people who have different opinions? Some non-doubters are condescending and impolite.

I'm not trying to justify rude behaviors. It's not right.

But, at least to me, the people who support the Cascio tracks tend to be over sensitive.

I said it before and I'll say it again. This thread is one of the most civilized one in this forum. The on-going debate is intriguing.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

This is what the people who believed Jason was Michael a few years back said. How ironic?

4) Some people say that Jason's songs are not quite good enough to be Michael Jackson songs. They say the production is the digitalized, and that Malachi's vocals aren't as great as Michael Jackson. Well, Jason Malachi's songs are really Michael Jackson DEMOs. Michael Jackson's demos are only blueprints, people. If you listen to the demos for "Don't stop til you get enough," "Billie Jean," etc, you'll see that the music sounds stripped down and the vocals are no where near as great as the finished version. Michael NEVER gives his best vocals on his demos, nor is the music at its best quality. Michael Jackson has released these demos to the public to get a reaction, and he'll hit us with a major release a little later.

Jesus... who wrote that???

 

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

This is what the people who believed Jason was Michael a few years back said. How ironic?

4) Some people say that Jason's songs are not quite good enough to be Michael Jackson songs. They say the production is the digitalized, and that Malachi's vocals aren't as great as Michael Jackson. Well, Jason Malachi's songs are really Michael Jackson DEMOs. Michael Jackson's demos are only blueprints, people. If you listen to the demos for "Don't stop til you get enough," "Billie Jean," etc, you'll see that the music sounds stripped down and the vocals are no where near as great as the finished version. Michael NEVER gives his best vocals on his demos, nor is the music at its best quality. Michael Jackson has released these demos to the public to get a reaction, and he'll hit us with a major release a little later.

WTF? lol

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

One of the people who believed it was Michael on songs like Mamacita, Let Me Go, Don't Walk Away, etc. Back in 2008.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

One of the people who believed it was Michael on songs like Mamacita, Let Me Go, Don't Walk Away, etc. Back in 2008.

Teddy Riley?

 

[kreen]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Well, this is correct. The voice clearly doesn't sound like Michael Jackson.

If the Cascio songs didn't sound like MJ, there would be no hoax. Maybe if I keep repeating this obvious logical reality a thousand times, it will sink in.

 

[Pentum]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

If the Cascio songs didn't sound like MJ, there would be no hoax. Maybe if I keep repeating this obvious logical reality a thousand times, it will sink in.

To the casual people, yes, they might sound like MJ. BUT.

If you show them Jason, then show them the songs, what happens? It doesn't sound like MJ that much or anymore. I've done it with many people already.

 

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

If the Cascio songs didn't sound like MJ, there would be no hoax. Maybe if I keep repeating this obvious logical reality a thousand times, it will sink in.

Maybe if you listen to the songs a little more closely, it'll sink in for you that the voice on those songs doesn't sound like MJ.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

A little more closely. :lol: Like we haven't heard these songs every day for months now.

 

[noa2]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Why can't it be something like this.
1. The cascios/porte wrote and produced some songs. Porte (or other person) sang on them.
2. They presented them to Michael to see if he liked any of them, if they were something he could record. (it's not uncommon for producers etc to record a song and even try to sound like the artist they'd have in mind so the artist can get a feel for how it could sound)
3. Michael listens to them and polite as he was he said he liked them etc etc and said maybe he would record a little just for being nice.
4. Michael passed away.
5. We end up with these songs on the album. Michael knew about them but had really nothing to do with them or very little.

 

[Arklove]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

A little more closely. :lol: Like we haven't heard these songs every day for months now.

Ok, well stop listening to the 'song' then, and listen to the VOICE.

 

[love is magical]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

If the Cascio songs didn't sound like MJ, there would be no hoax. Maybe if I keep repeating this obvious logical reality a thousand times, it will sink in.

God... I know you understand that when people say the songs didn't sound like MJ. People really mean the songs sound very close to MJ, but not MJ.

Listening to the Cascio tracks feels like staring at the pictures of E'Cass. Very close to the real deal, but not the real deal.

 

[Break Of Dawn 4]

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Dear Moderator, please allow my posts to be visible. I'm VERY serious about discussing all things Michael Jackson. I've been a fan for over 30 years and have some things to say that I believe would add to the disussion taking place in this and other threads but I don't want to keep typing comments that aren't visible. Thank you.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Spill your heart out, Break Of Dawk 4, we're listening.

I believe I had to make 20 posts or so before I could actually use the message board... Actually it took months for them to even get my account set up.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Listening to the Cascio tracks feels like staring at the pictures of E'Cass. Very close to the real deal, but not the real deal.

Hey love is... I know what you're trying to say but I just don't agree that the clown on those songs sounds ANYTHING like Michael Jackson. It's a complete insult to think that anyone without the 40+ years of experience that Michael had - at the highest level known to mankind - could stroll up to a microphone and sound anything like Michael Jackson.

Just listen to the Breaking News acapella again. And listen to 'they wanna write my ho'bitttch-uarrrry' and then tell me if that sounds like someone who studied at the school of Motown!