Michael - The Great Album Debate

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Completely pointless discussion going on right now.

Again, videos being taken down for copyright infringement adds nothing whatsoever to the Jason Malachi argument. Again, nothing.

It is all automated and no one has an agenda to keep people from hearing these audio comparison videos! :lol:

So explain why other copyrighted music isn't removed. Go on... the floor is all yours...

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I have explained it already. It's common sense anyway, samhabib. Go read my other post(or ivy's post, who explained it in much greater detail than I did).

By the way, Europe's copyright protection isn't going to be as good as the United States. The songs are FROM the United States so they are primarily censored from sharing in the United States.

You lucky European people get to see a lot of things that are already taken off of the web here in America. Your internet is a different region, so it's not firewalled to you.

I can't see any of those videos of Best Of Joy, Monster, etc, but I can see the comparison videos(most likely to the short amount of sampled song time).

I don't know why anyone at all would think this adds any validity whatsoever to their claims, just because videos are being censored for copyrights like always..


Yes, I know, you can find lots of older songs on Youtube from Michael Jackson, Simon and Garfunkel, Pink Floyd, whatever you're looking for really...

But if you try to find, say, the latest Taylor Swift or Justin Bieber song it's going to be a lot more difficult.

 

[Kapital77]

You explained, but you failed in the explanation because i demostrated that is not automated and You Tube can´t catch all the reuploads if you change the code.

This is a fact:


[youtube]Lw8lf7THIA4[/youtube]

That was erased the day before.

[youtube]ZqcDguE711c[/youtube]

Not nosense.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

You explained, but you failed in the explanation because i demostrated that is not automated and You Tube can´t catch all the reuploads if you change the code.

unk:

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

kapital77, the first video has audio that is such horrible quality and is so butchered that I don't think a software client will pick it up.

 

[Kapital77]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Excuses, excuses, and more excuses EDITATED.

You failed.

Pleople of USA, can you see the comparison posted?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw8lf7THIA4

kapital77, the first video has audio that is such horrible quality and is so butchered that I don't think a software client will pick it up.

The same audio like the video that was erased the day before:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqcDguE711c&feature=player_embedded

unk: X5

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

No I didn't. I'm sorry, but you are the one who has failed here. You're wrong about this Youtube censoring issue and that's a fact.

 

[Kapital77]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

No I didn't. I'm sorry, but you are the one who has failed here. You're wrong about this Youtube censoring issue and that's a fact.

You told me other thing a few minutes ago...

kapital77, the first video has audio that is such horrible quality and is so butchered that I don't think a software client will pick it up.

Heard it or not heard it?

unk: x6

 

[Korgnex]

I demostrated that you can repuload the same video and You Tube can´t catch it.

This is not nosense, THIS IS A FACT.

Hm?? I know that, Kapital. You're clearly missing the point again.

 

[Kapital77]

Hm?? I know that, Kapital. You're clearly missing the point again.

Yeahh, i missed the point and you the audio comparison that was erased yesterday and reuploaded today... and that was not automatically erased by You Tube.

They will be erased by Cascios/Porte.

Please i don´t need to learn nothing from you... specially with that signature that you have.

-_-

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I can see the first video, kapital77, not the second.

Please, stop being so rude.

When I said, 'No I didn't.' I was referring to you saying I fail, when I don't.

 

[Kapital77]

I can see the first video, kapital77, not the second.

Please, stop being so rude.

When I said, 'No I didn't.' I was referring to you saying I fail, when I don't.

Ok Aniram, Sorry. :agree:

Let´s talk about other things.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Like when were these songs recorded? Did Eddie fake them in 2007, the same year he worked with Michael in the studio, or did he fake them in 2008 while Michael was still alive?

Or did they quickly write and record them in 2009 after his death? And all these people agreed to go in on this project and do the ultimate betrayal by faking tons of songs right after Michael died?

So when was it recorded? 2007, 2008, or 2009? Or even 2010? Which is it? If they were recorded in 2007, that means Eddie was betraying Michael while also hanging out with Michael.

If they were recorded in 2008, that means Eddie knew Michael was going to die or something and was preparing for it.

If it was recorded in 2009, that means they quickly decided to write fake songs and hired all these people to come and complete them in months, right after Michael died.

I'd like to know which one it is, none of those situations really make any sense to me.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

It makes no sense for copyrighted material to be on Youtube and then other copywritten material to not be on Youtube. How on earth do you explain how there are millions of live MJ videos on Youtube - completely contravening copyrights - yet these comparison videos are removed quicker than anything? The fact that the material is 'copywritten' is, then, not the deciding factor.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Did you read ivy's post, samhabib? All of it?

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I'd like to know which one it is, none of those situations really make any sense to me.

What do you believe happened?

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I have no idea what happened, really. I have yet to see any proof for either side. Of course, you know the story that Eddie explains. This does seem logical to me. Of course they recorded material during his stay there.

Lots of things don't add up. You act like you've never read a post from me in this thread before, when I have posted so many times already. I have said that many times.

I think both sides have great points. However, I know when somethings downright wrong, like this whole Youtube comparison video issue.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Of course, you know the story that Eddie explains. This does seem logical to me..

The sitting-down-in-the-shower, the PVC pipe, the registration post-death, the vocals that don't sound like Michael, the 'pushing buttons' description... all of that seems logical to you?

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

So you think he had this all planned out right away when Michael died? That seems logical to you?

 

[Kapital77]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Like when were these songs recorded? Did Eddie fake them in 2007, the same year he worked with Michael in the studio, or did he fake them in 2008 while Michael was still alive?

Or did they quickly write and record them in 2009 after his death? And all these people agreed to go in on this project and do the ultimate betrayal by faking tons of songs right after Michael died?

So when was it recorded? 2007, 2008, or 2009? Or even 2010? Which is it? If they were recorded in 2007, that means Eddie was betraying Michael while also hanging out with Michael.

If they were recorded in 2008, that means Eddie knew Michael was going to die or something and was preparing for it.

If it was recorded in 2009, that means they quickly decided to write fake songs and hired all these people to come and complete them in months, right after Michael died.

I'd like to know which one it is, none of those situations really make any sense to me.

I think that they recorded with Malachi in the end of 2009 beginning of 2010.

But first they had the lyrics and pre-recorded version with James Porte... maybe in 2007 or 2009.

 

[Worldwide]

Yeahh, i missed the point and you the audio comparison that was erased yesterday and reuploaded today... and that was not automatically erased by You Tube.

They will be erased by Cascios/Porte.

Please i don´t need to learn nothing from you... specially with that signature that you have.

-_-

You fail with that signature of yours. but still like mj says "i love you" lol

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

So you think he had this all planned out right away when Michael died? That seems logical to you?

Well the fact that the songs were registered after Michael died means that there's NO proof that Michael had ANY knowledge of these songs. Whether the believers like it or not. There's NO proof that Michael knew ANYTHING about these songs. And them being registered after he died is testament to that.

The pathetic lyrics can only be explained away by some mad dash to write as much as possible in a short amount of time. Or that Eddie Cascio is the worst songwriter in the history of mankind and thought that 'killing up the life in the birds and the trees' was befitting Michael Jackson.

Add to that the songs sound nothing like Michael Jackson and you tell me what sounds more logical?

 

[Korgnex]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

It makes no sense for copyrighted material to be on Youtube and then other copywritten material to not be on Youtube. How on earth do you explain how there are millions of live MJ videos on Youtube - completely contravening copyrights - yet these comparison videos are removed quicker than anything? The fact that the material is 'copywritten' is, then, not the deciding factor.

Let me repeat it for you:

• currentness
• principle of priority
• marketing measures
  which includes taking actions against accusations without legal substance (=malicious falsehood)

This is how it works.

Most live footage is NOT on anything that is commercially distributed (except the Dangerous concert from Bucharest).
Non-distributed things are rarely removed for monetary reasons. It needs much legal resources and it isn't cheap investigating on internet criminality.

These are all things that should be known. Unfortunately it is a fact that such knowledge has to be gained first and no human is born with it. People that don't study into it or don't deal with it as a hobby cannot understand this as long as they don't accidentally read about it.

Rare exception: common sense.

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Beautiful post, Korgnex. Explained it perfectly.

 

[Kapital77]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I know when somethings downright wrong, like this whole Youtube comparison video issue.

You want to start again with the You Tube debate?. unk:

 

[Aniram]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

:lol: kapital77, no thanks! You are the master. :bow: Rock on. Haha...

 

[Korgnex]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Well the fact that the songs were registered after Michael died means that there's NO proof that Michael had ANY knowledge of these songs. Whether the believers like it or not. There's NO proof that Michael knew ANYTHING about these songs. And them being registered after he died is testament to that.

The pathetic lyrics can only be explained away by some mad dash to write as much as possible in a short amount of time. Or that Eddie Cascio is the worst songwriter in the history of mankind and thought that 'killing up the life in the birds and the trees' was befitting Michael Jackson.

Add to that the songs sound nothing like Michael Jackson and you tell me what sounds more logical?

1) the registration has been explained a lot of times. it's nothing unlogical, uncommon or suspicious. (check older postings for reference)

2) the second part of your posting is sth you've posted more than 10 times at least. it's your subjective feeling of the songs.
no-one here is an authority to say that the songs are sth MJ could have written or not. no-one.
there's no logic in your feeling, it's based on your personal feeling towards MJ as an artist. this is sth that every human perceives totally different.


you wish to win this Cascio debate. you won't do so when you're not securing objectivity.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Let me repeat it for you:

• currentness
• principle of priority
• marketing measures
  which includes taking actions against accusations without legal substance (=malicious falsehood)

This is how it works.

Most live footage is NOT on anything that is commercially distributed (except the Dangerous concert from Bucharest).
Non-distributed things are rarely removed for monetary reasons. It needs much legal resources and it isn't cheap investigating on internet criminality.

These are all things that should be known. Unfortunately it is a fact that such knowledge has to be gained first and no human is born with it. People that don't study into it or don't deal with it as a hobby cannot understand this as long as they don't accidentally read about it.

Rare exception: common sense.

Complete nonsense.

Sony took down some of my Bad tour videos that were recorded from news footage, ie. NOT commercially distributed. Explain that, why don't you? Or are you going to change the goalposts again?

 

[Kapital77]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Complete nonsense.

unk: x7

Or are you going to change the goalposts again?

Lol !!!

Goal for Samhabib.

 

[Korgnex]

Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

^ Commercial distribution includes TV screenings. LOL!

Commerce is everything a company gets money for. TV channels and radio stations are paying fees.
Many people think they could share TV or radio recordings for free with other people on the internet. This is however a common misconception. Legally you're not allowed to do so. It's not that often prosecuted, therefore people think it would be ok when it's actually not.

Do sth for your education, guys. It won't hurt you. And I don't mean this in an offending way.



It's embarassing for you and Kapital to not know this.