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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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Jeez some people on here might want to start a cascio fan club the way they go on....
 
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mjjesamor said:
Jeez some people on here might want to start a cascio fan club the way they go on....
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So because we don't share the same view and opinion, and look at all facets of this thing, when it comes to production, publishing rights, legality, etc. We should start a fan club? Makes sense.
 
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Yeah, because I'm so in love with Eddie and his vagueness... :lol:
 
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Just for clarification though, most music publishers are owned by labels themselves, most of the publishers on Thriller 25 were owned by Sony and Warner (before they were sold to Sony/ATV). Same goes for the publishers on "Michael" most of them are owned by Sony the label, and not just one sole person, or a couple of people, so at this point to say Jab Me Music is the Cascio's or anyone else would be quite vague.
 
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mjjesamor said:
Jeez some people on here might want to start a cascio fan club the way they go on....
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actually everyone on this thread needs to remind themselves of what a "debate" and "respect other people and their opinion" means.

Look to last posts people discussing Cascio's level of participation in Thriller 25. Opposing ideas making their arguments and then we get this post - that brings nothing into the debate, doesn't support or debunk a point and it's sole attempt is to belittle people.

Seriously? I think we are better than that, aren't we?
 
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Alec said:
Quincy's input should not be overlooked. He assambled a marvelous team of session musicians and songwriters that helped Michael achieve the goals he set.

However, same as analogue, I feel 95% of reviewers downplay Michael's role in the creative processs and give all props to Quincy Jones. He deserves all the praise he gets - but no more than Michael. Sadly, majority of music fans and critics indeed consider Michael a brainless chicken, a pop star similar to Britney Spears, who only recorded what producers asked him to.
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I totally agree with you. I don't know how many times I have to tell people that Michael Jackson was not just a singer who could dance like no other, he's also an excellent song-writter and musician.

Most people just don't know Michael Jackson composed, wrote and produced most of his own songs. There are people who think Quincy Jones did all the creative works. Michael was just there in the studio taking Q's orders.

I guess it's difficult for most to comprehend Michael's talents. If Michael could only sing the way he sang, he would still be regarded as one of the greatest vocalist. If Michael could only dance the way he danced, he would still be regarded as one of the greatest. But, to sing, dance and write songs all the same time the way he did, he's a genius. Simply speechless.

Alec said:
^^absolutely!

despite the ups and downs, being a Michael Jackson fan is an amazing journey that brings us closer to experience MAGIC in a world where it only exists in fairytales.
And what makes it even more special - the whole world around us misses out on this... the Best Of Joy.
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Thanks Alec. You expressed so beautifully how it's like to be in love with Michael. He introduced me to fantasy. He let me know what magic feels like. I never experienced magic before knowing Michael. His Bucharest concert wowed me when I was 12. The same concert still wows me now that I'm 30. It's magical!
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
When you don't recognize one's voice with your own ears, you can blame yourself for awhile and accept that the reason is probably the overprocessing, cheap microphone, low-quality studio, etc.

But, when you hear the second song which instinctively you simply do not recognize the voice on, you may probably again far-fetch it and try to accept that it is probably overprocessed or that the equipment was cheap, or whatever other reason may be.

When you hear yet a third song and have over and over questions about what you actually hear and at the same time you realize that you are not the only one who has exactly the same feeling, but that actually there are people who you never met and talked to and hear exactly the same as you, you realize that all the seemingly logical reasons such as overprocessing, cheap equipment, etc. were nothing else but excuses to yourself before even communicating with others.

You actually need guts to admit first to yourself that something is wrong with those tracks and only then share that opinion with others.

I just don't get how do doubters make lame excuses for what their ears hear --all but not Michael. Furthermore, set aside Jason Malachi, what would be doubters' interest at all to make up such an excuse? Do you think that doubters do not want to hear Michael on his album?

For your information, Jason Malachi was mentioned as the most probable impostor on those tracks, but if it is not him and if it is another impostor, for doubters it wouldn't make any difference because in any possible scenario we do not hear Michael and that is certainly not an excuse, that's our reality.
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:agree: Thanks Bumper. You summed up how I felt.

It doesn't matter who the impostor is. I don't care whether it's Jason or not. What I care is why Michael Jackson was not on a Michael Jackson song.
 
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In regard to what is "without a doubt" Michael I do have doubts, only because seven of the songs on this album were in question by family/Rooney, but the only song mentioned by name was "Breaking News". Since Rooney, Taj J and "everyone in that room" were listening to these before they actually got out online (Randy J too? per his twitters?)I question every one that they don't list Michael for the vocals on.
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I came across this when I was looking for info on Jab Me Music Publishing Co. The above is from the owner of a blog site, I didn't want to post the link because I wasn't sure if it was allowed on this site, as the blog advocates the whole "hoax" thing. But if anyone wants the link, they can PM, anywho, is this true? This came in response to a member of the site, and the comments come from a long blog post regarding the album credits and how Michael is only credited on two songs for the vocals throughout the whole album, which lead this person to believe that only a few of the songs on the album are really Michael and the rest are majorly filled in with other vocalists.

But I just wanted to know if this is true and if so, where this information came from. Because that would mean, that not only the Cascio tracks, but four other songs on the album were questioned by the family and Rooney in terms of vocal authenticity.
 
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Speaking of WBSS 2008, I just heard the remix again. Michael's background vocals in the beginning of the song does sound like recorded through a pipe or recorded with a lot of echo, may be the shower vocal booth effect?

But, I can still tell it's Michael Jackson. Michael's voice is just that distinctive. I never need to listen hard for Michael. Somtime, when I listen to the Jacksons at work. I don't pay 100% attention, I can still tell Michael sang background.

Even I pay 1000% attention, I still have trouble feeling Michael in the Cascio tracks.
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
No, like I said, I always felt it was Michael on these songs, with questionable filling. Don't attempt to alter my own thoughts.
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You always felt it was Michael on these songs? You could have fooled me!

AnnieRUOkay89 said:
It was the Estate/Sony which said it, Sony was included as the ones who hired said forensic specialists, so they're basically saying the same thing. The fact of the matter is, the results have yet to be shown, and these people Michael worked with have yet to come forward and say they listened to anything at all, or concluded who it was on the vocals. So how can fans believe such a thing actually transpired? Because the estate said so? It doesn't quite work that way. The Estate should provide evidence that it's Michael, since they "represent Michael himself", Michael wouldn't want his fans to remain in the dark about this matter. Yet that's exactly what the Estate/Sony is doing, they can openly lie, because they know nobody is going to do anything about it, The Jackson's still have pending court cases regarding wrongful death lawsuits and the like against AEG, none of which has been resolved, if a fan tried to sue, the case would be immediately thrown out, we're fans, what court will take us seriously as opposed to a major billion dollar record label? Not many, so it's easy to lie about things, knowing that most likely nothing will be done.


Fact is, there is 0% of proof that Michael is on these songs, there's also 0% of proof that he isn't. So until their is, people will continue to question them, and will continue to rightfully question an online statement. Especially when it's essentially easy to contact these people who they claim listened and concluded that it was Michael, it's easy to give out names of the Forensic analysts, and it's easy to take screenshot's of the results of the Forensic test and post them for the world to see. The fact that this hasn't been done yet, rightfully makes people wonder if any of it actually happened.


If you feel that we should just believe what they say, despite any proof of what they're saying as being true isn't in existence, as of yet, fine. It's your opinion, but that's the equivalent of penalizing some for a crime, just because it was said they did it, and not having to provide proof. This world would be a crazy place if everything was based on "he said/she said".


I'm not saying anything about the validity of the vocals, as I've never flat out said anything was "fake", but I do believe in this case, with this one song, something is up. But that's neither here nor there, but people aren't wrong for not believing "forensic analysis" and "those who worked with Michael", because as I said, nothing at the moment exists to prove that such analysis actually happened, and that those who worked with Michael had said anything regarding the Cascio songs, let alone the album.
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love is magical said:
Speaking of WBSS 2008, I just heard the remix again. Michael's background vocals in the beginning of the song does sound like recorded through a pipe or recorded with a lot of echo, may be the shower vocal booth effect?

But, I can still tell it's Michael Jackson. Michael's voice is just that distinctive. I never need to listen hard for Michael. Somtime, when I listen to the Jacksons at work. I don't pay 100% attention, I can still tell Michael sang background.

Even I pay 1000% attention, I still have trouble feeling Michael in the Cascio tracks.
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????
Why is that background even questioned at all?????? Michael's voice is immediately recognizable without a slightest doubt there. It sounds like vocals on "Why" or a bit like on "2300 Jackson Street" without echo or at times on "Whatzupwitu".

[youtube]SIzhIxTQ7DY&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]0RZMRSRCF0I[/youtube]

[youtube]XLIvJE8Vm_M&feature=related[/youtube]
 
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So did the Cascio's write and fake these songs with Jason the same year they worked with Michael on Thriller 25(2007)? Or were the fakes recorded in 2009?
 
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Why did it take around a week before my Stay video was removed today by JAB ME Music?
 
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Because Stay is not allowed to be shared freely on the internet.
 
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Yeah, but if they get removed automaticly, like Ivy and that "Korgnex" dude say, why a week? When I post BN, Monster, KYHU, it takes only a a day or three before they get removed. Because people report it?
 
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I know that sometimes they use software that scans videos for copyrighted music, then it'd be removed.

BUMPER, a song like Xscape is different. It's older, and lots of people have uploaded it. They aren't as concerned with Xscape as they are these brand new tracks.

Let's also put it this way, a newer song is going to be easier for a bot to detect on youtube. They will be programmed to detect newer music rather than a song that's getting to be seven years old now.
 
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What about Soundcloud? They have the same system as Youtube? Stuff gets removed everytime I post on MaxJax or MJJC.
 
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Yes, like I said, a person isn't going through and finding all this stuff. It's all automated. A software bot knows certain waveforms as copyrighted.
 
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Aniram said:
I know that sometimes they use software that scans videos for copyrighted music, then it'd be removed.

BUMPER, a song like Xscape is different. It's older, and lots of people have uploaded it. They aren't as concerned with Xscape as they are these brand new tracks.

Let's also put it this way, a newer song is going to be easier for a bot to detect on youtube. They will be programmed to detect newer music rather than a song that's getting to be seven years old now.
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Because it's older it's allowed???

Ok, can you provide the link wher we can download it?
 
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BUMPER, read my post. You get my point? Web sheriff is going to have an easier time detecting Keep Your Head Up or Best Of Joy than Xscape or Heartbreaker or Heal The World.
 
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Aniram said:
BUMPER, read my post. You get my point? Web sheriff is going to have an easier time detecting Keep Your Head Up or Best Of Joy than Xscape or Heartbreaker or Heal The World.
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Right, right, Michael Jackson's songs are extremely difficult to detect.
 
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This has been posted for 2 months and still nothing done.Waveform or not,Youtube misses some videos.
 
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samhabib said:
You always felt it was Michael on these songs? You could have fooled me!
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Well I did say "questionable filling", did I not? Also in that same post you have of me quoted, I also say that there's 0% of proof to support the theory that Michael isn't on these songs. So again, show me exactly where I've said "Michael Jackson isn't on these records", I'm certain you won't find it.


Dorian said:
This has been posted for 2 months and still nothing done.Waveform or not,Youtube misses some videos.
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It's blocked in America.
 
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Type in any other commercially available songs into Youtube and more often than not you'll be able to find what you want. There's obviously a desperation to keep people from hearing these comparisons. It's completely obvious.
 
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Best of joy + lyrics

1 month without being taken down:

[youtube]pLOLXMhMeJM[/youtube]
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
Also blocked in America.
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Blocked in America, so???? Pentum is n Europe, not in America. His comparisons are removed from Europe.

In other words there is no single "best of joy" youtube video available in America?
 
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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Blocked in America, so???? Pentum is n Europe, not in America. His comparisons are removed from Europe.

In other words there is no single "best of joy" youtube video available in America?
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Well if I'm understanding correctly, maybe I'm not, but the argument is that only the comparison video's are being removed, and the Cascio songs? And not the other songs on the album, if so, that isn't entirely true, nor does it really benefit the argument, if the other songs are being removed also. It then turns into more of a regional issue, than an "we got to keep this secret, take them down" issue.

And nope, all of the Best Of Joy video's are blocked, as well as Monster, Hollywood Tonight, BTM, and any other track from the album that hasn't been released as a single yet.
 
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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
Well if I'm understanding correctly, maybe I'm not, but the argument is that only the comparison video's are being removed, and the Cascio songs? And not the other songs on the album, if so, that isn't entirely true, nor does it really benefit the argument, if the other songs are being removed also. It then turns into more of a regional issue, than an "we got to keep this secret, take them down" issue.

And nope, all of the Best Of Joy video's are blocked, as well as Monster, Hollywood Tonight, BTM, and any other track from the album that hasn't been released as a single yet.
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I do not base my argument on the fact that some comparisons have been removed. However, it is astonishing to see the effort that is put into removing pieces of snippets of songs rather than entire songs here in Europe in any case.
 
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