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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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BUMPER SNIPPET said:
We see no evidence whatsoever, just excuses.
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Sorry, BUMPER SNIPPET, with all respect:

I see nothing but lame excuses when it comes to people standing on your side trying to explain why your "Jason" dude didn't finish recording this and that and there was the need to copy-paste those so-called "Jason" dude vocals.

Oh yeah, I remember well that the argument from people on your side is always:
"Well, to michael it up. To make it more MJ-ish".


The problem with this is - and this has been overseen every time when this lame excuse is thrown in here - that there's not just copy-pasting of vocals from previous takes, the new so-called "fake" vocals are also copy-pasted.

No-one's talking about vocals that are unquestioned by people on your side. It's all about the so-called "fake" vocals.
And that copy-pasting of those new so-called "fake" vocals can't "Michael it up" from your point of view.


One of two weak spots. You know the other one.



Probably the "Jason" dude was ill or nobody wanted to work with him more than some hours in those months since 2009.



:cheers:
 
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Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Dorian said:
Darn, they deleted the tracks :(
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If they were so sure of their product they wouldn't give a toss about these comparison videos. The fact they keep deleting them faster than you can say 'fake ass fools' is preeeeeeetty damning.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Korgnex, I didn't understand your post (are you talking about them also copy-pasting ad-libs on the legit songs?). Please can you give logical reasoned arguments for the two areas you mention. I'd be interested to read it.
 
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@kopwatcher: No, I was only referring to the Cascio songs.

@samhabib: Nope. It's included in their automatic scan routines because those videos feature copyright protected music taken from the compilation "Michael".
The first comparison videos featured longer excerpts from "Michael", that's why every shortened alternation will be noticed.

They got some employees searching the web and they have noticed the activity and they keep on tracking this.


This is quite usual nowadays, the same thing happens to illegal software uploads, TV recordings etc.

youTube is heavily monitored for obvious reasons since 2009.

Only those countries that still don't have an advanced legal system (most of them located in Eastern Europe/Asia) aren't doing anything to remove illegal content.
 
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Korgnex said:
@kopwatcher: No, I was only referring to the Cascio songs.

@samhabib: Nope. It's included in their automatic scan routines because those videos feature copyright protected music taken from the compilation "Michael".
The first comparison videos featured longer excerpts from "Michael", that's why every shortened alternation will be noticed.

They got some employees searching the web and they have noticed the activity and they keep on tracking this.


This is quite usual nowadays, the same thing happens to illegal software uploads, TV recordings etc.

youTube is heavily monitored for obvious reasons since 2009.

Only those countries that still don't have an advanced legal system (most of them located in Eastern Europe/Asia) aren't doing anything to remove illegal content.
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You mean they desperately delete Jason Malachi songs but there's a billion and one Michael Jackson videos online that contravene copyright laws that remain online? Can you explain why that might be? Comparison videos are deleted because of 'copyright' restrictions but legitimate Michael Jackson songs featured on fan videos remain online??? Explain why that is.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Can you find any of the songs from the new Michael album on youtube? It's quite difficult. Plus, fan videos are okay usually if they're low quality recordings(from a cellphone, video camera, etc).
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

@samhabib:

Sure:

  • currentness
  • principle of priority
  • marketing measures
    which includes taking actions against accusations without legal substance (=malicious falsehood)


;)
 
Korgnex;3260882 said:
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@samhabib: Nope. It's included in their automatic scan routines because those videos feature copyright protected music taken from the compilation "Michael".
The first comparison videos featured longer excerpts from "Michael", that's why every shortened alternation will be noticed.
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Yeahhh, sure....

That´s why this video still on the net for 2 months and they did not take it down:

[youtube]dZibK4Wdlvg[/youtube]

WHY?

PLEASE, NO MORE EXCUSES.
 
Kapital77;3261115 said:
Yeahhh, sure....

That´s why this video still on the net for 2 months and they did not take it down:

[youtube]dZibK4Wdlvg[/youtube]

WHY?

PLEASE, NO MORE EXCUSES.
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Because they are previews of the tracks, exactly what can be found on amazon, hmv etc. Stop clutching at straws lol. No malarchi here.
 
Aniram;3261018 said:
Can you find any of the songs from the new Michael album on youtube? It's quite difficult. Plus, fan videos are okay usually if they're low quality recordings(from a cellphone, video camera, etc).
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Yeahh, it´s impossible !!!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRtOJTo8GT8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgFOczqpNVg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWCvG-tgypc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ7kk46qOQw&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyPI9KSWRJ4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdV5YTpuKIs&feature=related
 
Worldwide;3261118 said:
Because they are previews of the tracks, exactly what can be found on amazon, hmv etc. Stop clutching at straws lol. No malarchi here.
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For Cascios there´s no need of Malachi audio to take down a video with music from their three tracks.

Bad excuse.

By the way, a few days ago, they taked down a video without music from MICHAEL album and only with video from the Oprah plus a video of Malachi singing live.

Why they taked down that video? There weren´t music from their tracks, only from Malachi.
 
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Kapital77;3261127 said:
For Cascios there´s no need of Malachi audio to take down a video with music from their three tracks.

Bad excuse.

By the way, a few days ago, they taked down a video without music from MICHAEL album and only with video from the Oprah plus a video of Malachi singing live.

Why they taked down that video? There weren´t music from their tracks, only from Malachi.
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Because obviously Malachi owns copyrights to his material and all he has to do is give the url of the offending content, and Youtube takes it down. Also the videos are trying to tarnish his image, woudn't you want those comparisons down that don't make any sense? lol?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Korgnex said:
Sorry, BUMPER SNIPPET, with all respect:

I see nothing but lame excuses when it comes to people standing on your side trying to explain why your "Jason" dude didn't finish recording this and that and there was the need to copy-paste those so-called "Jason" dude vocals.

Oh yeah, I remember well that the argument from people on your side is always:
"Well, to michael it up. To make it more MJ-ish".


The problem with this is - and this has been overseen every time when this lame excuse is thrown in here - that there's not just copy-pasting of vocals from previous takes, the new so-called "fake" vocals are also copy-pasted.

No-one's talking about vocals that are unquestioned by people on your side. It's all about the so-called "fake" vocals.
And that copy-pasting of those new so-called "fake" vocals can't "Michael it up" from your point of view.


One of two weak spots. You know the other one.



Probably the "Jason" dude was ill or nobody wanted to work with him more than some hours in those months since 2009.



:cheers:
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When you don't recognize one's voice with your own ears, you can blame yourself for awhile and accept that the reason is probably the overprocessing, cheap microphone, low-quality studio, etc.

But, when you hear the second song which instinctively you simply do not recognize the voice on, you may probably again far-fetch it and try to accept that it is probably overprocessed or that the equipment was cheap, or whatever other reason may be.

When you hear yet a third song and have over and over questions about what you actually hear and at the same time you realize that you are not the only one who has exactly the same feeling, but that actually there are people who you never met and talked to and hear exactly the same as you, you realize that all the seemingly logical reasons such as overprocessing, cheap equipment, etc. were nothing else but excuses to yourself before even communicating with others.

You actually need guts to admit first to yourself that something is wrong with those tracks and only then share that opinion with others.

I just don't get how do doubters make lame excuses for what their ears hear --all but not Michael. Furthermore, set aside Jason Malachi, what would be doubters' interest at all to make up such an excuse? Do you think that doubters do not want to hear Michael on his album?

For your information, Jason Malachi was mentioned as the most probable impostor on those tracks, but if it is not him and if it is another impostor, for doubters it wouldn't make any difference because in any possible scenario we do not hear Michael and that is certainly not an excuse, that's our reality.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

@Korgnex

If SONY and the Estate were to issue an official report claiming that this is Michael, would you believe them or your ears:

[youtube]uwzcF1M2yj4[/youtube]

That's how we feel about the Cascio tracks. There is some husk, some high notes, some energy, some passion, but it ain't no Mike.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Worldwide said:
Because obviously Malachi owns copyrights to his material and all he has to do is give the url of the offending content, and Youtube takes it down. Also the videos are trying to tarnish his image, woudn't you want those comparisons down that don't make any sense? lol?
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But the problem is that Jason was not the person who taked down the video. It was taked down by Jabmusic.... THE CASCIOS.

:doh:
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Kapital77, :lol: all those links you posted have been blocked by Sony.
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

I'm not sure it is Malachi, although the voice is very similar, i don't wanna say that much as i'm totally sure. But i am totally sure whoever is singing is not Michael Jackson.
 
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MJultimatemusiclegen said:
I'm not sure it is Malachi, although the voice is very similar, i don't wanna say that much as i'm totally sure. But i am totally sure whoever is singing is not Michael Jackson.
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That's an excuse, lol :D
 
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Aniram said:
Kapital77, :lol: all those links you posted have been blocked by Sony.
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Yeah, with the special help of Korgnex, Malachi and Cascios.

Hope that the creator reupload them soon. They are amazing.

By the way... are you happy to see the videos out of youtube?
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Ok here's what i think went on

One day when Michael was in the process of recording his new album he was kidnapped by ninjas and taken to a secret underground bass and there his vocal chords were operated on making him not sound like himself. Then the Kool Aid Man bursts through the walls yelling ''OH, YEAH!'' for no reason what so ever, then aliens came down to try and take over the world but luckily for us The Mighty Morphin Power Rangers were on hand to save the day. Ken and Barbie also broke up round about that time and then Spider-Man played go fish with Captain America, While the Bee Gees did the can can dance.

and that's my excuse as to why Michael doesn't sound like himself on the Cascio tracks

Yeah, that was one crazy day
 
Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Triceratops!
 
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MJRemixed said:
I think we all know the REAL reason why JM's songs have been taken off youtube.
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The "Jason" dude songs are still on youTube...

I really wonder about 2 of your recent statements which you continue to re-post from time to time.
You claim two things:

1) The "Jason" dude videos (his songs, NOT what you claim to have been sung by him) would have been disappeared from youTube - which is without a doubt not true.
2) Jason Malachi and James Porte are associated to each other. How did you start thinking so? Please tell me.



@Kapital77: It's disrespectful to always make me personally responsible for anything regarding the removal of those comparison uploads.
I have NOTHING to do with this, boy. I don't care about those videos/clips/whatever, they have no substance at all. Go along re-uploading them as long as you want and feel good doing so.
 
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Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Why would any fanbe involved with removing comparison videos offline?
 
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I have something potentially mind-blowing!!!!!

Listen to the "Breaking News" a capella at the 2nd hook, and after MJ sings "You Just Wanna Feed It Again", there is what sounds to me like someone talking in the background. It's not an echo, though echoes are present throughout the recording. Listen to this on good-quality headphones, or you might not hear it. This could prove useful if you find out what that person is saying.
 
Korgnex;3261458 said:
The "Jason" dude songs are still on youTube...

The "Jason" dude videos (his songs, NOT what you claim to have been sung by him) would have been disappeared from youTube - which is without a doubt not true
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False, they erased vídeos of Malachi singing Mj songs in a festival. And also a interview of that day.

Hope anyone has a copy of them.

And is not respectfull to make me personally responsably of upload the comparisons.
 
Kapital77;3261499 said:
False, they erased vídeos of Malachi singing Mj songs in a festival. And also a interview of that day.

Hope anyone has a copy of them.

And is not respectfull to make me personally responsably of upload the comparisons.
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Those video's of Malachi singing MJ songs were being taken down long before the album or these songs came out, trust me. I tried viewing some when the whole "Malachi is Michael" thing was going on and most of them had been removed, then re-uploaded, then removed again. Also, I just want to know, not saying you're right or wrong, but how do you know Jab Me Music = The Cascio's?

samhabib;3259926 said:
I don't know... it changed yours didn't it?
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No, like I said, I always felt it was Michael on these songs, with questionable filling. Don't attempt to alter my own thoughts.


Jesta;3261485 said:
I have something potentially mind-blowing!!!!!

Listen to the "Breaking News" a capella at the 2nd hook, and after MJ sings "You Just Wanna Feed It Again", there is what sounds to me like someone talking in the background. It's not an echo, though echoes are present throughout the recording. Listen to this on good-quality headphones, or you might not hear it. This could prove useful if you find out what that person is saying.
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"Why is it strange that I would...", it's the hook that's cut off in the acapella.
 
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AnnieRUOkay89;3261502 said:
Those video's of Malachi singing MJ songs were being taken down long before the album or these songs came out, trust me. I tried viewing some when the whole "Malachi is Michael" thing was going on and most of them had been removed, then re-uploaded, then removed again.
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False, the video was taked down days after they streamed Breaking news.

When they realized that the fans was looking for videos of Malachi to make comparisons Cascios/Porte or Malachi take down the videos from You tube.

This is a picture or capture from one of those videos, the interview video that was on You tube after Breaking news was streamed:

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AnnieRUOkay89;3261502 said:
Also, I just want to know, not saying you're right or wrong, but how do you know Jab Me Music = The Cascio's?
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Look in the "Michael" album, i think that there is Jab Me Music in the booklet... Maybe is Porte or Cascios. I can´t remember because i don´t have the "MICHAEL" album in my MJ collection. :no:

Found it on the net:

Keep Your Head Up

Written by Michael Jackson, Eddie Cascio, James Porte / Published byMijac Music, Jab Me Music

Monster (Featuring 50 Cent)

Written by Michael Jackson, Eddie Cascio, James Porte / Rap Lyrics Written by Curtis Jackson / Published by Mijac Music, Jab Me Music

Breaking News

Written by Michael Jackson, Eddie Cascio, James Porte / Published by Mijac Music, Jab Me Music
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Sony is not taking down those videos, they were taked down by CASCIOS.
 
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Re: Michael - The Great Album Debate (Only Go Here if You Want To Continue The Controversy)

Kapital77 said:
False, the video was taked down days after they streamed Breaking news.
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I'm sorry but the video's have been getting removed for at least a year or two. I specifically recall looking for those tribute video's and clicking on one and the video clearly saying "This video has been removed...", and this was long before Breaking News or any other Cascio track hit the internet.
 
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