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Michael - The Great Album Debate

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AnnieRUOkay89 said:
I find it comical how people who most likely have no direct knowledge in how to spot a lie, can claim, and be so sure someone isn't being honest. Also, realize how hypocritical that thought is, "it's hard to believe he recorded these songs, when there's no proof he did". Yet, we're in denial for saying "It's hard to believe this is one huge scam and these are Jason Malachi's vocals, when there's no proof to support it". Come on, it's obvious the recent video, isn't really that recent at all, each and every one of them are speaking in past tense, they all say "The album is going to be great", "I think fans will enjoy it", which means most, if not all of that footage, was shot before the album came out and before the Cascios ever went on Oprah, use some common sense, people.
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Exactly. It's also funny how all of those people who are so good at knowing whether a person is lying or not didn't notice that the footage of the Cascio house was shot in the FALL, which means it was shot weeks before the album was released.

Real perceptive, guys!
 
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Arklove said:
When I go home and jump in the shower tonight, will it make me sound like Jason Malachi? Just asking...
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Just remember that you also gotta sing through a PVC pipe

So all you need is

A shower
A PVC pipe
and your favorite rubber ducky

and bingo! You'll sound like Jason Malachi!
 
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The doubters have nothing intelligent to say so they just make jokes with each other.
 
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kreen said:
Exactly. It's also funny how all of those people who are so good at knowing whether a person is lying or not didn't notice that the footage of the Cascio house was shot in the FALL, which means it was shot weeks before the album was released.

Real perceptive, guys!
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yep leaves on the ground, red leaves on the tree.

Akon is also wearing the same outfit that he was wearing in the video Sony/ Estate released months ago (November I think) for Hold My Hand release, he's also in the same place , saying same/similar things. It's obvious the video is shot months ago

 
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I think you're all being hideously unfair.

What's so unbelievable about MJ doing guide vocals (but only half-trying), through a PVC pipe on substandard equipment, whilst simultaneously conducting an experiment with his voice to make it sound different, and then topping it off with a bit of vocal processing (which, incidentally, has been applied in a completely unique way on each syllable of the songs)???

It sounds perfectly rational to me. I mean, it's not as if MJ ever had any complaints about Sony before.
 
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Aniram said:
The doubters have nothing intelligent to say so they just make jokes with each other.
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Who are you to say this? Have you read all 259 pages in this thread + all other threads talking about this in the past? Because I have, and what you just said, doesn't fit in this situation.
 
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^ Yeah, I've read it. And I read all the other debate threads, too.
 
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Well, what Aniram has said does seem relevant to the past page or so. Sarcastic/jokey comments aimed at the believers are not fun for us, y'know.

Anyway, I've got to get back to more photoshopping for my big MJ project!
 
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Aniram said:
Also, fans always want more info than record companies and even the artists themselves seem to give.

A lot of people don't go blabbering about everything that happened. People are always complaining, with any celebrity, politician, etc, 'I wish they would have talked about [insert something] more... :('

When MJ came out and said his select few words to the crowd for This Is It, were you complaining that he was way too vague and there was no real proof that he'd even be doing these shows?
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I don't see fans are demanding more info on Best of Joy or Much Too Soon or Another Day. I wonder why.

We are not even complaining here. We are just asking a question why there is absolutely no trace of Michael's inputs in the Cascio tracks at all?

Isn't it strange to you that Neff U, as one of the producers who recently collaborated with Michael, was able to show Michael's handwritten notes and play a tape of his conversation with Michael; yet, Eddie didn't show anything.

The theme of the Making of Michael is "road map". Sony claims Michael left detailed notes to his collaborators on his ideas and how he would like the songs to sound like. Where is the "road map" provided by Michael to Eddie?

Yes, I know Eddie is not obligated to provide fans any additional information. But, in the situation that we have now, any little note from Michael means a lot to fans. Don't you feel delighted to see Michael's handwritten lyrics in the album booklet?

Eddie claims he released the tracks for the fans, right? So, why not share some more info with the fans? Or, is he going to write a book later?
 
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What are you on about annie? Blabbering on. Pot. Kettle. Black.
Comparing eddie's inability to provide any tangible proof of mj recording those tracks with mj's this is it announcement is completely ridiculous annie. In all fairness in the context of all the doubt it is absolutely bizarre that eddie is unwilling to give us some proof, something convincing,.... Unless of course he doesn't have any...
 
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Jesta said:
Well, what Aniram has said does seem relevant to the past page or so. Sarcastic/jokey comments aimed at the believers are not fun for us, y'know.

Anyway, I've got to get back to more photoshopping for my big MJ project!
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Yeah, we thought the new shower excuse was hilarious, because IT IS.

And good luck on your project.
 
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love is magical, yes, I agree with you, and that has always been very unsettling to me. I thought you'd remember that, since I've said this to you earlier in this thread, I have always wondered where any handwritten notes are for the Cascio tracks, etc...

To me that isn't significant enough to say the tracks are fake and Jason Malachi sang them. I don't hear Jason Malachi when I listen to them, I hear Michael Jackson.

You don't see Akon bringing any evidence. True, he didn't need to, nobody questions that tracks authenticity, but maybe Eddie wasn't thinking about it when he was interviewed, either?
 
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Eh, I'd say it's plausible, to say the least. Unconventional, yes. Impossible, no.

And thank you. I will hopefully make an announcement on the board about it in the next few days if the staff lets me post this in the "News and Announcements" section.
 
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Aniram said:
love is magical, yes, I agree with you, and that has always been very unsettling to me. I thought you'd remember that, since I've said this to you earlier in this thread, I have always wondered where any handwritten notes are for the Cascio tracks, etc...

To me that isn't significant enough to say the tracks are fake and Jason Malachi sang them. I don't hear Jason Malachi when I listen to them, I hear Michael Jackson.

You don't see Akon bringing any evidence. True, he didn't need to, nobody questions that tracks authenticity, but maybe Eddie wasn't thinking about it when he was interviewed, either?
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Actually, I realized the video is not shot recently. I noticed the red leaves. I live in Jersey as well. I don't see any correlationship betweeen the timing of the video and the authenticity issue. And, I don't see how one doesn't have common sense if one didn't notice the video is shot in fall. Not so good observation, yes. But, a lack of common sense? Not so sure about that.

When Neff U showed Michael's note and played Michael's tape, was he thinking about authenticity? Was he covering his ass in case the fans question the vocals? Of course not. He was just sharing his creative experience. Isn't it the whole point of the video? In the absence of Michael, they can only ask the collaborators to share experience with Michael.

I mentioned before in this thread that one can only find some kind of tangible proof on Michael's involvement in every tracks on Michael, except the Cascio tracks. The origin of the Cascio tracks is indeed mysterious. Is it just pure coincidence?
 
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Neff-U had scans of Michael's handwritten notes, it looked like, so he knew what to go by... they were sent to him. He was just happy to show them off.

I also never said anything about common sense, but you must have been talking to AnnieRUOkay?
 
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How do we know that solid work was done on the original instrumentation? The way I see it, 99% of the writing was done by Eddie and Porte, so MJ had no reason to really write notes to them. Plus, the registration of the songs didn't cover instrumentation, right? I'm thinking that they probably got a few chords down but the project fizzled out because of MJ's busy schedule in late 2007-2008, then the "This Is It" announcement the following year.
 
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The fact that some of you think the shower thing is hilarious, when it's a perfectly reasonable thing to do that many artists do, just screams, "I refuse to open my mind even an inch to consider these tracks might be real."

I believe they are real, but at least I'm open minded about it. But anything given to the doubters is considered laughable, simply due to their own bias.
 
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Aniram said:
Neff-U had scans of Michael's handwritten notes, it looked like, so he knew what to go by... they were sent to him. He was just happy to show them off.

I also never said anything about common sense, but you must have been talking to AnnieRUOkay?
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They were sent to him? Or, he provided the notes to Sony to be included in the booklet? I don't know who had custody of the notes. But, that's not the point. Of course Neff U was happy to show them. If I have a note (doesn't contain any private and confidential details) from Michael Freaking Jackson, I would also show them off.

Let's not just focus on notes or tapes. Let's talk about "road map"... Do you get the roadmap from Eddie? If so, please share.
 
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Anna said:
The fact that some of you think the shower thing is hilarious, when it's a perfectly reasonable thing to do that many artists do, just screams, "I refuse to open my mind even an inch to consider these tracks might be real."

I believe they are real, but at least I'm open minded about it. But anything given to the doubters is considered laughable, simply due to their own bias.
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Pentum said:
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See, that's exactly my point right there. You don't actually have a solid argument. You just like to make fun of everything people post to suggest why the songs may sound different. But you have no actual proof they are not Michael.
 
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LOL, you real mad, bro!! I have these MJ-Cascio-MJJC pauses where I stop discussing and arguing about the tracks for a little while. In the meantime, I like to read ask people if they're mad.

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love is magical said:
I don't see fans are demanding more info on Best of Joy or Much Too Soon or Another Day. I wonder why.
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Because they are not Cascio tracks. If any of those had been mistakenly labelled a Cascio track, doubters would debate their authenticity.

The Cascio tracks weren't written by MJ, so don't expect to see MJ's handwritten lyrics to them. Besides, no matter what Cascio showed now, you wouldn't believe it.

That whole "road map" thing is obviously just a marketing angle. Why do you think John McClain isn't on the video, talking about his two, older songs on the album? Because they don't fit with the marketing angle. There's no "road map" : the Estate took a bunch of MJ's songs and picked ten for the album. For that EPK, Sony chose to play up the idea the album is "MJ's vision", but that's just PR.
 
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kreen said:
Because they are not Cascio tracks. If any of those had been mistakenly labelled a Cascio track, doubters would debate their authenticity.
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What is this i dont even
 
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Pentum said:
LOL, you real mad, bro!! I have these MJ-Cascio-MJJC pauses where I stop discussing and arguing about the tracks for a little while. In the meantime, I like to read ask people if they're mad.

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By all means, keep digging yourself into a bigger hole. It's very amusing to watch.
 
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The only way to convince everyone that the vocals are MJ's is if the original recordings of the songs are released before they were messed around with in the studio or release footage of MJ recording the songs.
 
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kreen said:
because they are not cascio tracks. If any of those had been mistakenly labelled a cascio track, doubters would debate their authenticity.
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dude are you serious?!

edit: I want to make one thing clear: I do not find it amusing to talk about these songs at all. This whole situation is just one fucking nightmare and it's been since November 8th... BTW, November 5th when the snippet was previewed, was one of the happiest days in my life in years.

As a fan I feel obliged to protect Michael's legacy and what's been happening to his music since last year is fucking disgusting. Doesn't matter if the Cascio tracks are really sung by him or not. You know how deeply affected I was by Breaking News? I couldn't sleep the whole fucking night and the whole week after it premiered I spent online trying to work this out with other fans.

One of the posters here said something a few days ago, which I think is worth reposting:
Because I care about Michael Jackson's legacy. He didn't earn it with blood, sweat and tears to have some piss-poor imitator sing songs under his name. He didn't die in front of our eyes just so some fool could melodyne some prick's weak ass attempt at singing like Michael Jackson.
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And it's not only about fake vocals. They could be real - even though as a long time MJ fan I am 100% sure they're not. It's about how Michael's musical legacy is handled. It makes me mad when he's disrespected like that, literally. I care about him so much.
 
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love is magical said:
I don't see any correlationship betweeen the timing of the video and the authenticity issue.
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some people said that Cascio's are coming up with new excuses/explanations as time passes by - they claimed Cascio's are mentioning shower booth now 4 months later as a new excuse - meaning they are adding to /changing their story.

Other have pointed out that the video hasn't been shot recently hence it's not a new excuse/explanation.
 
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Pentum said:
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I absolutely GUARANTEE you, just from knowledge of human psychology, that if "Hollywood Tonight" or "Best of Joy" had leaked in advance and been mistakenly labelled as a Cascio track, they would have been widely rejected as fake by most doubters here.

And in the same way, if KYHU had been leaked as a, say, Rodney Jerkins song from 2001, everybody would have called it an obviously REAL MJ track.

It's all psychological, man. Which is shown even more to be so by poster Alec's story, that he couldn't sleep all night after first hearing BN. Such was the shock of hearing Breaking News -- because it was based on a guide vocal and had been overprocessed -- that some people never got over that first psychological impression of "fakeness".

If their first contact with the Cascio tracks had been KYHU, which sounds much more like classic MJ, today's doubters would be today's believers.
 
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