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Michael - The Great Album Debate

MJ never used that vibrato which is on the cascio tracks. how come, he didnt use that vibrato before and AFTER the cascios "recording" date?

simply its another person on the cascio tracks. also those acapellas sound chopped and copy&pasted.

i bet those cascio tracks got recorded after MJs death.
 
I believe it was after his death. because MJ certainly didn't record them before his death in that condition.
 
And this was mentioned early on in this thread but its even more evident now. The Cascio "demos" are completely inconsistent with almost literally every other MJ demo that we've come to hear. Mostly the issue of completed lyrics on the so-called "demos", the lack of the experimentation that's present on Michaels real demos, aren't present on Cascio "demos" they're all completed songs, created in an ultimately failed attempt(in most cases) to dupe his fans.
 
OnirMJ said:
Hahaha..

That's exactly what happened in 2010. Songs were leaking like these couple of days. Much Too Soon, Do You Know Where Your Children Are, Stay, All I Need, Blue Gangsta, Monster snippet, Keep Your Head Up, Hold My Hand snippet.

We knew nothing about your friend Eddie Cascio and his good friend James Porte but somehow we could easily recognize which songs are Michael Jackson and which songs are not Michael Jackson. We knew nothing about these songs, nothing! Who wrote them, when, where.. Nothing. But we knew.
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study your HIStory. The Malachi hoax was born the day breaking news was released, after the Jacksons' accusations of an impostor being used on all of the Cascio songs. We knew the titles to the Cascio tracks, and we knew about the allegations of fraud from Roger Friedman. That was the context in which Breaking News was born unto the world, and the song's unconventional nature did the rest.

Thus was born the myth of Malachi, still believed as the Gospel today, despite not one single shred of evidence.
 
the Cascio songs have always been understood as songs that had been written beforehand by Cascio and Porte. The reason the lyrics are complete is before those were complete songs, ready to be sung, and in fact many of them had been used before by james porte for his failed music career.

it's not like DIG were MJ was actually writing the song himself, gradually building it.
 
I believe that the song Water was made after MJ's death sometime after This Is It came out in the theaters, but before that article by Roger Friedman came out. The part where MJ sings "Water, Water Oh" was either just random singing or part of the Neff-U song Water. The Cascios probably didn't even know that Neff-U had a song called Water, so they just went ahead and made a song called Water to make it look like MJ was singing their song as proof.

I am really wanting the 2007 song by Brad Buxer called Jungle to come out. It will prove that the Cascio songs were faked 100%. :)
 
Also, I am tired of people claiming that there is no proof because the Cascios deleted their stuff. They should just install the software called Disk Digger. It allows you to get deleted stuff back. I have the software and it works 100%.
http://diskdigger.org/
 
Pretty sure Roger Friedman was the only reporter who praised these tracks as official as opposed to "fraud allegations" prior to the songs release. In fact, he was part of the reason fans were so excited because he claimed to have heard them and said things like "Michael sounds great" and some of the songs were hits. So much so that after all this happened, people then began speculating that he was in on it. The guy even went as far as saying he thought KYHU was "great", and that his "sources" tell him theres plenty of concrete proof (you know, the proof which was never revealed to us, like AT ALL) that Michael recorded all 12 Cascio songs. He also says the confusion of Breaking News was caused by "Michael's" vocals being guide vocals with no backing vocals recorded to them. Which was also revealed to be a complete fabrication from a pro-Cascio source, which is what Friedman was. So him alledging that the tracks were fake is just an inaccurate statement. And he also didn't even imply that the tracks were called fake by some in the Estate until after Breaking News leaked. And then you wanna know what Friedman said about that? He said the only reason John McClain was against the tracks was because of Jealousy about his tracks not being used or some fraudulent crap.




http://www.showbiz411.com/2010/11/10/michael-jackson-there-is-concrete-proof-he-sang-the-new-songs




Another Friedman Pro-Cascio article..

http://www.showbiz411.com/2010/11/0...ected-burt-bacharach-arrangement-for-new-song







And lol @ "Malachi myth". There is no myth, it's Jason Malachi all over these records.
 
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^Remember that he also tried his hardest to get a reluctant Quincy Jones to say it was Michael on Breaking News. "You gotta admit it sounds like him!"

Wasn't it established that Frank Cascio was one of Roger's sources (long before the Cascio track debacle already)? Certainly makes sense.
 
kreen said:
We knew the titles to the Cascio tracks.
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LIE! Back then we knew 3 titles from Roger Friedman's article: Breaking News, Burn Tonight & Water.

So when Monster, Stay (Carry On), All I Need & Keep Your Head Up leaked we didn't know if they are Cascio tracks. FACT!
 
^ There's no point, Onir, kreen is in absolute denial. The guy believes we do don't think the songs are MJ due to the fact that they are "Cascio songs" and that's it.
 
According to someone on Max Jax, who also frequents here. This is all a case of the Cascio songs being Michaels layered vocals as opposed to a single vocal take. That explains why he sounds like Jason Malachi, but its really Michael.

Phew! We can all rest easy now guys.
 
WhoIsIt89 said:
According to someone on Max Jax, who also frequents here. This is all a case of the Cascio songs being Michaels layered vocals as opposed to a single vocal take. That explains why he sounds like Jason Malachi, but its really Michael.

Phew! We can all rest easy now guys.
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Living in denial.
 
Okay. Thanks. I thought it was like Cascio's lyrics because it says "Stay with me" in Fall In Love.
 
Found this filtered acapella of Stay on Soundcloud.

I have to say, at times Jason actually does a pretty good imitation of Michael. I would say this is probably the closest he gets on any of the songs.

Of course it's still not him, but props to Jason for trying ;)

 
OnirMJ said:
LIE! Back then we knew 3 titles from Roger Friedman's article: Breaking News, Burn Tonight & Water.

So when Monster, Stay (Carry On), All I Need & Keep Your Head Up leaked we didn't know if they are Cascio tracks. FACT!
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no, that's not true. I don't remember where or when the complete list of all the Cascio songs first appeared, but i was around those forums for that whole period, and i remember that everytime one of the cascio songs would leak (usually just as an excerpt), we always knew from the title that it belonged to the list. that list was not populated with every new leak, it was settled in advance before the leaks, especially for the songs that i guess had been consided for the album : stay, all i need, burn tonight, etc.

maybe the list came from RF, maybe from the Copyrights office, or maybe from different articles pieced together. it would have been MUCH more revealing if we didn't know the titles before hand, as it would have been more of a blind test for us.
 
Our doubt on these songs aren't based around us knowing that they are Cascio tracks. It's based on the fact that they just don't sound like Michael.
 
kreen said:
no, that's not true. I don't remember where or when the complete list of all the Cascio songs first appeared, but i was around those forums for that whole period, and i remember that everytime one of the cascio songs would leak (usually just as an excerpt), we always knew from the title that it belonged to the list. that list was not populated with every new leak, it was settled in advance before the leaks, especially for the songs that i guess had been consided for the album : stay, all i need, burn tonight, etc.

maybe the list came from RF, maybe from the Copyrights office, or maybe from different articles pieced together. it would have been MUCH more revealing if we didn't know the titles before hand, as it would have been more of a blind test for us.
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Wrong! Not true. At first we knew only 3 titles from Roger Friedman's articles: Breaking News, Burn Tonight & Water. FACT. Then all the songs started to leak in late 2010 (versions considered for the album: All I Need, Stay, Monster, Keep Your Head Up). We didn't know those titles, we didn't know if they are Cascio songs by the title, we knew because of the singer. Then in 2011 the list of all 12 songs leaked, then snippets of all 12 demos leaked, then all remaining songs leaked.
 
kreen said:
no, that's not true. I don't remember where or when the complete list of all the Cascio songs first appeared, but i was around those forums for that whole period, and i remember that everytime one of the cascio songs would leak (usually just as an excerpt), we always knew from the title that it belonged to the list. that list was not populated with every new leak, it was settled in advance before the leaks, especially for the songs that i guess had been consided for the album : stay, all i need, burn tonight, etc.

maybe the list came from RF, maybe from the Copyrights office, or maybe from different articles pieced together. it would have been MUCH more revealing if we didn't know the titles before hand, as it would have been more of a blind test for us.
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Personally, I never paid much attention to where the songs came from....It doesn't make a difference to me in determining what I hear...That's your theory that you keep bringing up over and over again...
 
Arklove said:
Personally, I never paid much attention to where the songs came from....It doesn't make a difference to me in determining what I hear...That's your theory that you keep bringing up over and over again...
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No one paid any attention to where the songs came from.

Exactly! For example Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008 is recorded in Cascio basement and I love it, MJ's vocals are awesome, powerful, great.. in one word real. If Cascio released 1 or 2 real songs and the rest of them fakes.. I would say OK, he produced 10 fake songs. But the fact is that he produced 12 fake songs and 0 real ones. Also if Brad Buxer presented 100 fake songs to Estate I would say those songs are fake. But he didn't. All songs he produced are real.
 
OnirMJ said:
No one paid any attention to where the songs came from.

Exactly! For example Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' 2008 is recorded in Cascio basement and I love it, MJ's vocals are awesome, powerful, great.. in one word real. If Cascio released 1 or 2 real songs and the rest of them fakes.. I would say OK, he produced 10 fake songs. But the fact is that he produced 12 fake songs and 0 real ones. Also if Brad Buxer presented 100 fake songs to Estate I would say those songs are fake. But he didn't. All songs he produced are real.
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I didn't know who the Cascio's were when WBSS 2008 was recorded and I didn't know who they were when BN was released....Since then all the leaks sounded like the voice from BN, so who cares where they came from? My focus has always been more towards who it DIDN'T sound like, as opposed to who it does sound like...
 
kreen said:
no, that's not true. I don't remember where or when the complete list of all the Cascio songs first appeared, but i was around those forums for that whole period, and i remember that everytime one of the cascio songs would leak (usually just as an excerpt), we always knew from the title that it belonged to the list. that list was not populated with every new leak, it was settled in advance before the leaks, especially for the songs that i guess had been consided for the album : stay, all i need, burn tonight, etc.

maybe the list came from RF, maybe from the Copyrights office, or maybe from different articles pieced together. it would have been MUCH more revealing if we didn't know the titles before hand, as it would have been more of a blind test for us.
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Nope, you're wrong. The complete list of Cascio songs didn't come out until a year after MICHAEL released. Roger Friedman, even in his pro-Cascio non-sense article, never told us prior to 2010 the names of all the Cascio songs. Once Breaking News leaked, and people began to get unhappy, more Cascio songs leaked, at the top of my head, I'd say they were All I Need and Keep Your Head Up. But we weren't told they were Cascio songs until later articles from Friedman and Co. which would arise a day or two later. People didn't doubt them all because they were Cascio recordings and they knew it from a prior list..No. People began to doubt the three songs because the voices on all of them were one and the same, and the voice wasn't that of Michael Jackson. Then we were informed of the second single, we were told that was going to be a song called "Monster" through various articles. Only Friedman mentioned in was among the same batch of material registered by the Cascio's. Again, Friedman said he heard it, called it "classic Michael", gave us false hopes, and we waited....Then the "demo" released, not the same pre-edit that was shared with us a couple of weeks back during the infamous "Leak Week", but basically the final song, just without 50 Cent's rap. And once again, same voice on the other songs, same level of disappoint. The VOICE, JUST THE VOICE, is what had and still has people doubting these songs, not that they were Cascio songs. You're the only one I see around on any forum using that excuse, and personally speaking it's an opinion that isn't based within the realm of logic. Because regardless of who it was, if it was Neff-U, RedOne, Will.I.Am, hell, Michael Prince and Brad Buxer, or even Bruce Swedien, and the voice sounded like that of what's on the Cascio songs, not like Michael Jackson, but like the Cupeta kid, then we'd doubt those too. End Of Story.


And the "Too Bad" in Al Capone and the "Too Bad"'s in Monster are clearly different from each other and doesn't sound the same at all. Simply because Michael is present on Al Capone in all his glory. He isn't present not one bit on Monster. So there goes your "he even borrowed from "Al Capone"..." claim.
 
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