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Michael - The Great Album Debate

StellaJackson said:
Because Sony are the ones who picked them up in the first place. The twelve tracks on the servers are those very tracks I think. But as I understand it, Estate still has final say.
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We'll see, but let's not forget that money has been invested in those songs. We can only hope that they don't release them.
 
StellaJackson said:
Because Sony don't decide on the songs. They are just the distributors. The Estate has final say on the tracklisting.
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That was not the case with Michael. Or press reports were false. All reports claimed that Branca & Sony executives were pro and McClain were against Cascio songs. Also McClain wanted different tracklist, but Sony executives wanted the tracklist that was released.
 
I would recommend not to approach to this as a forever thing. Branca will not be an executor forever. It's hard to say what his successor will do.
 
Yes Branca understands the frustration and division it caused in the fan base and is trying to respect the fans wishes. But his successor may not .. As far as Sony I think they know it would not be profitable to further cause more ire and division by releasing them. I think they know it has cause lower sales in other projects because some fans will not support even good projects such as BAD25 because of the MICHAEL Fiasco. Maybe in the future after Branca leaves they could release them on a seperate album .. called the controversial cascio tracks. But I dont think they want to bring any more publicity to them to be honest. Not in the present or near future .. It's bad for business
 
^^ Agreed....It's just too bad that they didn't avoid this bad business decision in the first place...
 
I'm pretty sure they don't plan to release any Cascio songs in the current and near future. I wasn't there when Branca talked about this but from everything I heard I don't think he's planning to release them any time soon.

However as I said Branca won't be an executor forever. It's impossible to say what can happen in the long long future. For example 30 years later down the road when every other demo, single etc has been released, these songs can see the day of light. You never know.

PS : It's also obvious that they don't see Breaking News intro or 50 Cent Monster rap as problematic.
 
It's true that Branca won't be an executor forever. Although in my opinion, for as long as he is, we won't see any more Cascio tracks on future albums. I'm sure he's well aware that they were a big reason for the MICHAEL album's failure and I'm sure he doesn't want to risk that kind of letdown again.
 
If only they had listened to the fans in the first place when they streamed breaking news, we wouldn't have been in this situation. They're putting it under the rug instead of removing the songs form the official catalogue and present apologies for creating such a rift.
 
I can almost certainly guarantee that Branca regrets the Cascio decision and won't be pushing for the tracks to be released any time soon. We have to think about this realistically: it would be a PR nightmare if these tracks were publicly denounced by the Estate two and a half years after being released, and I'm certain that they don't want to draw any more attention to them. The tracks are out now, and the damage is done. Nothing will really fix that now, but I commend the Estate for at least trying to make up for it with the comparatively incredible Bad 25 box-set and documentary, when compared to Thriller 25 and "Michael". That genuinely seemed like an attempt to win the favor of the fans back, and I would say that it largely succeeded.

I honestly don't see the voice tracks at the beginning of Breaking News an issue: it's part of a soundscape with Tabloid Junkie's voice tracks to heighten it. Likewise, the 50 Cent rap was eh: not damaging but not really a highlight to anything. Those two things are not damaging to ONE, as they weren't damaging to IMMORTAL. Aside from the slow start that IMMORTAL had, I thoroughly began to enjoy myself as soon as Dancing Machine started! And I'm sure that many, MANY people will enjoy ONE. Hell, I'm hoping for another soundtrack album from Cirque! I still listen to IMMORTAL occasionally.

I saw some people on Twitter acting as if the inclusion of the Breaking News reporter tracks was a big betrayal and lie by John Branca. It's not; it's really not. If questionable vocals appear in the show (which - if Kevin Antunes doesn't have the good sense to exclude from this show as he eventually did with IMMORTAL - I'm sure a fan committee that will inevitably see a preview of the show before it open in May will tell them of the situation), THEN it becomes a big issue. But as it stands, it really isn't.

Slightly off-topic, but I LOVED the design of the Paparazzi in that demonstration!
 
ivy said:
I would recommend not to approach to this as a forever thing. Branca will not be an executor forever. It's hard to say what his successor will do.
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His successor will be Michael's children. And they will never release anything with Cascio name on it. That is for sure. I'm worried that those songs will be released while Branca is still in charge.
 
Jesta said:
I can almost certainly guarantee that Branca regrets the Cascio decision and won't be pushing for the tracks to be released any time soon. We have to think about this realistically: it would be a PR nightmare if these tracks were publicly denounced by the Estate two and a half years after being released, and I'm certain that they don't want to draw any more attention to them. The tracks are out now, and the damage is done. Nothing will really fix that now, but I commend the Estate for at least trying to make up for it with the comparatively incredible Bad 25 box-set and documentary, when compared to Thriller 25 and "Michael". That genuinely seemed like an attempt to win the favor of the fans back, and I would say that it largely succeeded.

I honestly don't see the voice tracks at the beginning of Breaking News an issue: it's part of a soundscape with Tabloid Junkie's voice tracks to heighten it. Likewise, the 50 Cent rap was eh: not damaging but not really a highlight to anything. Those two things are not damaging to ONE, as they weren't damaging to IMMORTAL. Aside from the slow start that IMMORTAL had, I thoroughly began to enjoy myself as soon as Dancing Machine started! And I'm sure that many, MANY people will enjoy ONE. Hell, I'm hoping for another soundtrack album from Cirque! I still listen to IMMORTAL occasionally.

I saw some people on Twitter acting as if the inclusion of the Breaking News reporter tracks was a big betrayal and lie by John Branca. It's not; it's really not. If questionable vocals appear in the show (which - if Kevin Antunes doesn't have the good sense to exclude from this show as he eventually did with IMMORTAL - I'm sure a fan committee that will inevitably see a preview of the show before it open in May will tell them of the situation), THEN it becomes a big issue. But as it stands, it really isn't.

Slightly off-topic, but I LOVED the design of the Paparazzi in that demonstration!
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I don't see the problem that way. Even though it's just music without fake vocals and even though it's just 50 cent's rap with few "awwws" from Monster.. These songs are included in the show (Immortal and maybe the ONE) and their authors are credited in the booklet. We are not talking just about fake vocals, we are talking about fake songs. We still don't know if MJ had anything with those songs, we don't know if he composed a single note of those songs. Maybe Cascios didn't just faked the vocals. Maybe they faked the whole songs. We know that some of unreleased songs were written after MJ died and that some of the songs were completed with Porte's vocals in 2005. So why include those songs in the show? Even though it's just instrumental and a rap. For me it's not just the songs it's what those songs represents: betrayal.
 
I believe 8 of the 12 songs were written after Michael died and I believe strongly that they were recorded in early 2010, based on various dates.
 
OnirMJ said:
His successor will be Michael's children. And they will never release anything with Cascio name on it. That is for sure. I'm worried that those songs will be released while Branca is still in charge.
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Branca is 62 years old. Michael's kids aren't going to start getting control until they are 30 (14 years minimum) and not full control until they are 40 (24 years minimum). Unless Branca names the kids as the next executors and unless Branca lives and chooses to be an Executor into his 76 and 86 year of age, it's probable that there would be another Executors. Plus I'm thinking Michael's kids can actually opt to hire people to run Michael's Estate and focus on living their lives. It's actually quite common for Estate's as big and as complex as Michael's.
 
How more legit can it get:
Critical - Songwriting started during the initial stages of Jackson's marriage with Lisa Marie, when he discovered she already had children. "The thought of your kids still lingers in my mind". Song was finished by the end of their marriage.
Ready 2 Win - Written for Alcoholics Anonymous. "time to put way your beer"
Keep Your Head Up - The "gonna shine his light on us today" was added after Jackson accepted Jesus Christ weeks before his death; Andre Crouch motivated Michael to add this extra line.
All I Need - Michael was going to premiere this song at the 2009-2010 New Years Eve in Times Square, replacing John Lennon's Imagine.
Fall In Love - Christmas single to promote This Is It concerts. It was going to be featured in a Sony Electronics commercial. It was going to have some guy playing video games with a girl and the girl taking pictures with a Sony Camera. "she says she wanna play the game"
Soldier Boy - Michael's take on the military regime of Muammar Gaddafi in Libya (so they leave you in Libya, hee hee hee! :p)
 
Do I hear right in the BN intro they mention the allegations? Can someone confirm this for me, would be very important.
 
ivy said:
Branca is 62 years old. Michael's kids aren't going to start getting control until they are 30 (14 years minimum) and not full control until they are 40 (24 years minimum). Unless Branca names the kids as the next executors and unless Branca lives and chooses to be an Executor into his 76 and 86 year of age, it's probable that there would be another Executors. Plus I'm thinking Michael's kids can actually opt to hire people to run Michael's Estate and focus on living their lives. It's actually quite common for Estate's as big and as complex as Michael's.
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He's 62? Wow I didn't know that.
 
dam2040 said:
So on the 'Michael' record, the intro contains a direct mentioning of the child molestation? I'm trying to be certain from multiple ears.
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it's sort of left to interpetation although someone does say "another trial".

"the plot begins to destroy Michael Jackson...
As the story unfolds
If you though there was nothing more to say about Michael Jackson just wait!
the allegations made against the performer...
The unauthorized biography...
... There will be a lot more to say about MiMiMichael Jackson!!!"

Good old Tabloid Junkie:
"JUST 60 SECONDS A NEW MICHAEL JACKSON STORY!
*Spanish reporters*
PUERTO RICO! (?)
MJ: everybodygotsomethinaboutit, everybodygot, some vicious slander everybody got, ah ah ah dfldajfafjalfalk"

And good old "B" in Privacy was right!
"Yo yo B! That's Michael Jackson!

That ain't no Michael Jackson, that ain't him!....
 
In my opinion the Cirque show is a beautiful tribute. But I wouldn't attend it, because of the Cascio songs. Even if it's only an intro. I don't know how I will feel sitting there, hearing it. Like I'm betraying Michael Jackson, probably.

My daughter bought me two tickets (expensive ones, close to the stage) as an early birthday present. She's still a student, and the fact that she organized these tickets for me is so sweet. She doesn't know exactly how I think and thought I would be very happy with them. How can I say I prefer 'The Jacksons'? No way I'm saying I won't go. How can I? My daughters feelings are more important to me than this issue. I know I will like it when I'm there, but if I had a choice, I wouldn't attend.

I will go and enjoy it. My daughter wants me too and she deserves it.

It's not always black or white.
 
Chamife said:
In my opinion the Cirque show is a beautiful tribute. But I wouldn't attend it, because of the Cascio songs. Even if it's only an intro. I don't know how I will feel sitting there, hearing it. Like I'm betraying Michael Jackson, probably.

My daughter bought me two tickets (expensive ones, close to the stage) as an early birthday present. She's still a student, and the fact that she organized these tickets for me is so sweet. She doesn't know exactly how I think and thought I would be very happy with them. How can I say I prefer 'The Jacksons'? No way I'm saying I won't go. How can I? My daughters feelings are more important to me than this issue. I know I will like it when I'm there, but if I had a choice, I wouldn't attend.

I will go and enjoy it. My daughter wants me too and she deserves it.

It's not always black or white.
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According to some members here they removed all Cascio snippets from Immortal show. If Cirque show come in my country I would definitely go see it (even with snippets of Cascio songs), I would probably just booed when they play them. But of course I would prefer to see Unity Tour live show. But not because I prefer Jacksons over Estate (I don't), but because it is a live concert and Immortal is pretty much just dancing.
 
I really don't see the harm and fuss over the Cascio portions. I can't lie, I really do like the intro into Breaking News. The swelling strings that build louder and more intense as the song goes on is actually pretty cool in my eyes. And although I don't care at all for 50 Cent's rap in Monster, I like the interpolation of it during Threatened.

As long as I don't hear any of the fake vocals, I don't care.
 
AlwaysThere said:
I really don't see the harm and fuss over the Cascio portions. I can't lie, I really do like the intro into Breaking News. The swelling strings that build louder and more intense as the song goes on is actually pretty cool in my eyes. And although I don't care at all for 50 Cent's rap in Monster, I like the interpolation of it during Threatened.

As long as I don't hear any of the fake vocals, I don't care.
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It's not about liking or not liking music, but about the principle of whose music it is... not.
 
well, I think it would be okay if it was just an intro, just not "Jason"'s vocals.

In the Monster portion, the aaow is sampled but I'm confused at the "HA!" in Monster. It sounds like MJ but I do not know any MJ song with it... They used Xscape "AAOW" in Breaking News so who knows what other unreleased songs they used...
 
Yeah well it's time to put away your beer, take away your winning hand.

Michael's important message: Stop drinking and stop gambling!

I wonder if anything leaked yet :S
 
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