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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Arklove said:
Gaz, please don't close this thread. I'm sick to death of the topic too, but it's the only place we have to talk about it on this forum. I think we have all been very good at keeping the topic out of other threads. It was much worse before, fans fighting in other threads and what not. We keep this topic where it belongs. The odd time, yes, you do see it spilling on to other threads, but I think this has improved and is usually dealt with swiftly while we take it back to this thread.

Anyway, that's all I wanted to say. If you choose to close this thread, then that's your decision :)
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Don't worry we will not be closing this thread any time soon, hell you have a cult that I don't wanna mess with going on here lol.
 
StellaJackson said:
The people who made the decision to include the songs despite the controversy already surrounding them is who I mean.
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executors?

And Birchey has nothing to do with anything whatsoever.
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okay I'll be blunt. I wasn't talking about Birchey being involved in this attempt. Are these people using any of the songs that Birchey stole from the Sony servers to make any claims, comparisons? Tell them they can't do it. Any songs that are acquired through an established theft (now that there's a guilty plea) cannot be used as evidence. Illegally obtained evidence is not admissible. So they are pretty much limited to the 3 songs.

(of course I'm assuming something serious - like legal action to remove and make people pay )
 
ivy said:
executors?



okay I'll be blunt. I wasn't talking about Birchey being involved in this attempt. Are these people using any of the songs that Birchey stole from the Sony servers to make any claims, comparisons? Tell them they can't do it. Any songs that are acquired through an established theft (now that there's a guilty plea) cannot be used as evidence. So they are pretty much limited to the 3 songs.
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No nothing to do with any material.
 
StellaJackson said:
No nothing to do with any material.
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okay if you say so.

still I'm skeptical about any claims of "something is being done". previous experiences (groups trying to convict Sneddon and groups aiming to remove executors) have shown a whole a lot of wishful thinking and not any reality.
 
qbee said:
The Songs are FAKE
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Finally, something we can all agree on!



... Oh wait, there are still people that believe the contrary. Never mind.

I have always said that - despite the songs' questionable vocals (to say the least) - I do like some songs, especially for their production. So I look at it from the perspective that I actually like these songs (though most of the lyrics aren't exactly inspired), but I'm conflicted by the vocals which limits how much I could ever like them. I would much rather hear MJ than not hear him, but... Well, we've been talking about this for over two years, and I'm not a fan of repeating myself.
 
For me The Cascio songs are fine for any run of the mill current pop artist but they are not up to Michael Jackson standards
 
Gaz, if you could hear what we hear, you would understand why we will never shut up about this until the truth is revealed one way or another. And if the doubters are right, there is no reason to believe that the truth coming out one day is impossible.
 
WildStyle said:
All I know is that I'm for anything that will get us closer to the truth.
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So am I. I don't want more internet rant with absurd accusations and no evidence. Neither side has to belittle other fans for their point of view.
 
analogue said:
One theory i have is that they knew that these songs are fake but they were hoping to fool fans into thinking they were real so then they could release album after album. There would be no limit to new music. It would be like pretending June 25th 2009 never happened
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At first I tried to like those songs, I really did. Then I stopped kidding myself and took the three songs off my iPod. I definitely think that this theory is true... The Cascio tracks were made to test the waters
 
I think that the Michael album should be discontinued. That album as caused such a stir that it needs to be taken off the shelves in my opinion. Other songs on that album like Best Of Joy, Hollywood Tonight and Behind The Mask can be released again on future albums.
 
Ok this is getting out of hand. This thread is not about about Birchey. It is not about anyone personal disputes with Birchey or anyone's personal disputes with other members about Birchey. You can discuss the Cascio songs without that. What he did or didn't do has no bearing on the validity of the tracks. The thread will be cleaned and I suggest all get back on topic. Any further post derailing this thread will be removed, for the fact it is leading the thread into personal arguments off topic of the validity of the tracks.
 
From the press conference announcing the new Cirque show.

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I don't see the problem with Breaking News intro or 50 cent Monster rap. Breaking News intro is done by hired sound talents and properly credited - got nothing to do with Michael or Malachi. Similarly 50 cent rap is a legit rap from 50 Cent again got nothing to do with Michael or Malachi. Estate / Sony pays money for these stuff, why should they throw them away? Also the doubters issue is with the Cascio vocals so as long as that vocals aren't being used there should not be a problem. Of course I also understand that such inclusions of Breaking News intro or 50 cent Monster rap makes doubters realize that it's a pipe dream that Michael album would be deleted from Michael's discography and that's probably what makes them focus on minor stuff.
 
Those parts in the show are barely noticeable anyway...It fizzes away and is forgotten....I think they just wanted to use something from the first `posthumous album`...I`m just glad there are no vocals....It`d be so tacky to use a voice that is so messed up even if it is Michael...It`s bad enough the songs were released...

So compared to that, I don`t think those parts in the show are that big a deal...
 
OnirMJ said:
I don't believe in that. That was just Branca's load of crap to calm down the fans so they can support Bad25. I'm sure they will never give up on fake songs. This is the proof.
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Well I believe him. It was said with sincerity. And it wasn't said to "fans".
 
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StellaJackson said:
Well I believe him. It was said with sincerity.
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What if SONY decides to release them anyway? It's too late, 'cuz the Estate already guaranteed that the tracks are authentic. Why would SONY spend the money on those tracks in order not to release them at some point?
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
What if SONY decides to release them anyway? It's too late, 'cuz the Estate already guaranteed that the tracks are authentic. Why would SONY spend the money on those tracks in order not to release them at some point?
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Because Sony don't decide on the songs. They are just the distributors. The Estate has final say on the tracklisting.
 
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