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Michael - The Great Album Debate

I increased the volume, there are no changes. Nothing fan-made. Processed vocals do sound clean. They also sound odd and synthetic.
 
SoCav said:
Okay. There are clear artifacts on the vocals of Threatened though, which are not in the original. Did you got them from an acapella that was fanmade using phase-inversion (sounds like a similar kind of artifact).

Btw, I am not saying the vocals on Breaking News are not processed. My point is that even when you have a snippet full of artifacts (whether you added them or not) like the Threatened vocals, it still sounds like MJ. The Cascio vocals sound clean in comparison, yet the voice sounds nothing like MJ.
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Hear this:

https://www.box.com/s/2egh3jroo6isvqhepsdf

Same voice.
 
Korgnex said:
I increased the volume, there are no changes. Nothing fan-made.
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Strange! The word 'fearing' in particular does not sound clean at all. Would be interesting to hear more of the acapella just to see whether it sounds similar throughout (don't worry, I'm not asking you to post more).

Processed vocals do sound clean. They also sound odd and synthetic.
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Well, that depends on the type of processing of course. Pitch-shifting them with Melodyne, as we were given as an explanation for them sounding odd, certainly would not make MJ sound like he does on the Cascio tracks. Some of his vocals in This Is It were quite obviously pitch-shifted too, yet he sounds totally like himself... must be the shower acoustics...

I also do not think that the Cascio vocals sound that synthetic.
 
If processing really changed Michael's vocals to such an extent then why not let the original unprocessed vocals be heard in order to verify their authenticity? And more importantly, why process a vocal to the extent that it sounds as awful as the Cascio vocals do? The processing theory is not supported by any evidence, least of all even an attempt at identifying what type of "processing" technique would cause this. We know Teddy Riley lied about causing the vibrato, because it's on all the songs, including the three that he worked on before he had them, so why should we believe what anyone else says?

The vibrato and other issues started at the Cascio end because they were on the tracks as soon as Sony picked them up. So what did Eddie Cascio do specifically that caused the vocals to sounds just like Jason and where is the evidence to support this?

And I find it shocking that people can dismiss the comparisons as worthless yet put their faith in to an alternative that has nothing whatsoever to support it.
 
There are some posts I will get back to, when time allows me..:)

But for now I want to post 2 poems I made. It came from my heart and I know the English and poetry isn't perfect (try it in a different language!)

I don't post these poems to prove something or to convince someone of my beliefs, but maybe it helps to understand why I'm so fanatic about this subject and why I am here.

~~~To Michael~~~

It took me some time to write down these words
Three weeks have past, since you’ve (sh)rocked my world
Tears fall down as I write these words
I really never felt such sadness and pain
Though we’ve never met, how is that to explain?

Thirty years have gone since I first heard you sing
I thought to myself: What a “Pretty Young Thing”
It will take me some time to enjoy your music again
Without mourning the loss of you, my dear friend

Some people accused you and did you harm
I stood up for you and thought it was wrong

A love of my life has gone away
Can’t stop thinking of you every “Brand new day”
My family noticed the tears I cried
And I’ve tried to explain them how I feel inside

The love for music and dance
That’s what you gave to me
You shined your light upon me, maybe not intentionally
But it enriched my life, for so many years
That is why I cry all these tears

To my children I hope I’ve passed this gift of yours on
So they will enjoy all kinds of music for the years to come

In “Childhood” you sang of Pirates and Kings
But in real life you also did fantastical things….
How much can anyone achieve?
You’ve saved many lives
In your lifetime, much too brief

I never was raised in a Christian way
But I hoped you’d wake up (like Jesus) and never, ever go away
Then you could feel the love that people have for you now
And you could give the world your greatest final “This is it” show

The wonderful memory of you will never be gone
Of Michael, my very special and “lovely one”.

~*~*Helma~*~*

(July, 2009)

~~~Dear Michael~~~

It’s already been a year now, since you went away
And still millions of fans think of you almost every day
You meant something special to each and everyone
Yes, you’ve changed many lives, that’s what you’ve done

I loved you with every inch of my child’s heart
Long even before my own real life would start
Your smile, your ways, your dancing, they were all I could see
Even though, of course, you were a stranger to me

And now that you’re gone and after all these years
I’ve gotten to know you through all of my tears
I fell for you again, but this time more intense
Probably understanding you better, if that makes some sense.

Much is written about you, your way of life, but mostly lies
And some so called “journalists” I really learned to despise
Actually, much that was printed never said anything about you
It was all about the $$$$, and rarely about the truth.

After one year of mourning you, I’ve just realized today
That in my mind is not the place my love for you should stay
Over the years my heart has grown very big and strong
I really think that is the best place where forever you belong

The following words you spoke to us…..many, many times before.
Now let me say these words to you sweet Michael: “I only love you more….”

Rest in piece forever Michael.

~*~*Helma~*~*

(June, 2010)
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And I want to close it. The only thing that is keeping me from that are the Cascio songs.
 
Happy Valentine's Day everyone!

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"And I want to close it. The only thing that is keeping me from that are the Cascio songs."

That is so sad, feel the Love, Helma... On this day I want to let Michael's love and light shine on me :), let it vivify the love for the Creator's beautifull world of Humans, Animals, Plants, Fire, Water, Earth and Air, Music, Sounds, Colors, Love... :).
LOVE is forever.

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ADKIc3mAnX said:
Happy Valentine's Day everyone!

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So beautiful! Thanks ADKI and happy Valentine's Day to you and to all loving MJ fam here.
 
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Korgnex said:
Due to popular demand (read: Pentum)

With and without Vince grittiness:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?v70x2tyxpmfy7o2

processed to death (aka the goat machine):
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?6ml23tlwu3cabcf

odd pronunciation:
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?8diue6akx9cd41h


I want to emphasize again that for the last 2 years+ all comparison clips have been totally useless. They do not qualify as evidence and have no legal standing either.
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I love your comparisons and other audio clips. Can you make them any shorter?

You are forgeting that it is not one line without grittiness or processed or with odd pronunciation. It is whole 12 songs. Every word in every sentance in every song times 12!
 
OnirMJ said:
I love your comparisons and other audio clips. Can you make them any shorter?

And you are forgeting that it is not one line without grittiness or processed or with odd pronunciation. It is whole 12 songs. Every word in every sentance in every song times 12!
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Also, I can also play the 2 seconds comparisons and still easily win:
https://www.box.com/s/6xtu3kw9hkbqnwyj51ws
 
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if you pitch down MJ's vocals a few times and pitch them back to the original pitch ur gonna get some funny vibrato, but you're also gonna get a lot of gibberish in between words.
 
Why are they, never satisfied??? :(

Really goes for both sides, believers and doubters...

A thought occurred to me today... This is just my opinion, but I always thought Michael's music brought us TOGETHER. Before, people may have disagreed on which song was their favourite, but it was this interest in MJ that kept us together. That's why I don't think these are his vocals...

BTW Pentum, you used the studio version/leaked premix version. The original version had a slower speed. The vibratos sound slower (I mean, more easy to replicate by skipping your throat lol), but it becomes obvious the copy-pasted parts at the end. It sounds "smoother" in the leaked and studio versions and even more so in the House Remix. The other thing that cracks me up is the 30 second exiting sound in the premix leak. Still I actually prefer this version to the album one; the string arrangement is pretty cool.

As for Breaking News premix (leaked snippet), it cracks me up how we were talking about snorts and then just before the second verse is a farting noise *SNORT OVERLOAD*
 
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LOL is that you? "understand" lol Critical

https://www.box.com/s/v7gzeg15y1pestsls6cm :D

WHY YOU HONKIN ME? https://www.box.com/s/fu1fgsc7xs5r3awfohe7
(well, I didn't record this one with goat vibrato lol, did it in 2011 with some extra vocals recorded later, and MJ from the song)

VOCAL PROCESSING OF MJ (WYBT pitch 24x up and 24x down again): https://www.box.com/s/d7ug096tjvmto3mbcmd0

Explicit version of Breaking News acapella (warning explicit language): https://www.box.com/s/a5pnh4bhocskkg1c7udg

Finally, the best MJ impersonator there is:


no worries, we can MELODYNE HIM! :D https://www.box.com/s/5z4phn479xfddup9mkvk
 
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LOL @ fckn the news.

But your vibrato technique is wrong, it's not how Jason makes his goat vibrato
 
StellaJackson said:
If processing really changed Michael's vocals to such an extent then why not let the original unprocessed vocals be heard in order to verify their authenticity? And more importantly, why process a vocal to the extent that it sounds as awful as the Cascio vocals do? The processing theory is not supported by any evidence, least of all even an attempt at identifying what type of "processing" technique would cause this. We know Teddy Riley lied about causing the vibrato, because it's on all the songs, including the three that he worked on before he had them, so why should we believe what anyone else says?

The vibrato and other issues started at the Cascio end because they were on the tracks as soon as Sony picked them up. So what did Eddie Cascio do specifically that caused the vocals to sounds just like Jason and where is the evidence to support this?

And I find it shocking that people can dismiss the comparisons as worthless yet put their faith in to an alternative that has nothing whatsoever to support it.
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This is beautiful wording. Simply beautiful. I love it when a person makes so much sense in such a simplistically beautiful no-nonsense type of way. :)
 
yeah I know, on a "bad" day like if I'm unprepared my voice sometimes does that too. Your vocal chords are "loose" and therefore the air flows out with a vibrato like that.
 
Fun fact: a new 35-second snippet of Ready 2 Win leaked online. Is it just me, or is Ready 2 Win the absolute worst Michael imitation of the twelve Cascios? I mean, the other eleven sound like Jason Malachi trying to sound like Michael, but this one just sounds like Jason being Jason.
 
AlwaysThere said:
Fun fact: a new 35-second snippet of Ready 2 Win leaked online. Is it just me, or is Ready 2 Win the absolute worst Michael imitation of the twelve Cascios? I mean, the other eleven sound like Jason Malachi trying to sound like Michael, but this one just sounds like Jason being Jason.
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Wait for Fall In Love
 
Why am I surprised that this is still going strong...? Anyway, hey guys! Just dropping in to see if there are any new developments! :D
 
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