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Michael - The Great Album Debate

rules are rules. no leaks or unreleased Cascio songs. and you know why - thanks to Birchey saga.

If anyone else is posting leaks or unreleased songs please report them so that we can delete them.

(mods do not necessarily listen to all the linked snippets in the posts, if you care about MJJC do not post any leaks or unreleased songs and immediately alert a moderator if someone else posted such things)
 
Well, the truth is that if someone post a comparision audio of KYHU vs Room2breath or Let me let go vs Monster they (Cascios) will erase with the excuse of copyright.

They don´t want the truth be exposed.
 
Well listen to this and then to the Cascio tracks, it will be enough to convince you that it's not MJ on those tracks:

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Yeah, and this is a video of the chilhood of Edward. He had a good vocal coach:

 
ivy said:
rules are rules. no leaks or unreleased Cascio songs. and you know why - thanks to Birchey saga.

If anyone else is posting leaks or unreleased songs please report them so that we can delete them.

(mods do not necessarily listen to all the linked snippets in the posts, if you care about MJJC do not post any leaks or unreleased songs and immediately alert a moderator if someone else posted such things)
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alright, no worries, no worries.

Please, please, please give me an honest opinion on this new KYHU comparsion I made.

https://www.box.com/s/s7e77e98uyz1qbiebxu6

Everyone, listen.
 
MusicMan26 said:
They believe that it's him only because that's what they were told - no proof whatsoever. It's sad.
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Pardon? This is alienation. This is why fans are attacking other fans. This is why humans hated and killed other humans.
Such pretentions and insinuations are not very intelligent.
 
I always thought it was more convincing to put a genuine MJ song against a Cascio song.

@Aniram, isn't that one of the things that convinced you eventually? I don't remember.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Yes, in my hand to shove it up your assertivity :p
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Well, at least use this one then:

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Arklove said:
I always thought it was more convincing to put a genuine MJ song against a Cascio song.

@Aniram, isn't that one of the things that convinced you eventually? I don't remember.
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With no brain it's difficult to remember anything :D
 
Yes! I finally realized Michael wasn't singing for many reasons. That was definitely one of them, but the biggest comparison that made me hugely doubt the Cascio songs was the Best Of Joy/Someone Put Your Hand Out comparison. There was also a Hollywood Tonight comparison, and the voices between the two authentic Jackson tracks matched up. However... to this day, not one 'believer' with musical expertise (seems there are zero) has been able to make an actual working comparison clip that shows where Michael Jackson ever even once sounded like in the Cascio songs. It cannot be done. And that was one of the moments where I realized something was up.

Edit: Also, before ivy replies that 'believers' don't feel obligated to create comparison clips to prove it's Michael singing, I think that's a lame excuse, because most fans of an artist would be passionate enough to put in the work and resolve this issue, believer or not (there would be at least one).
 
Aniram said:
Yes! I finally realized Michael wasn't singing for many reasons. That was definitely one of them, but the biggest comparison that made me hugely doubt the Cascio songs was the Best Of Joy/Someone Put Your Hand Out comparison. There was also a Hollywood Tonight comparison, and the voices between the two authentic Jackson tracks matched up. However... to this day, not one 'believer' with musical expertise (seems there are zero) has been able to make an actual working comparison clip that shows where Michael Jackson ever even once sounded like in the Cascio songs. It cannot be done. And that was one of the moments where I realized something was up.

Edit: Also, before ivy replies that 'believers' don't feel obligated to create comparison clips to prove it's Michael singing, I think that's a lame excuse, because most fans of an artist would be passionate enough to put in the work and resolve this issue, believer or not (there would be at least one).
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https://www.box.com/s/n89mx9m15m75z5qtv808 this BOJ :) ?
 
lol at "lame excuse". I don't see many fans of Michael that are passionate enough to put in the time, effort and money I personally put into to bring the legal cases updates but you don't see me trying to belittle them. it's just that different fans are passionate about different things.

This kind of insults also why doubters couldn't to get the support of everyone. This is also what makes me regret even to post messages and answer on this thread. If you cannot even have respect than it's a major waste of my time. I guess I'll take my "lame excuses" and go and you can continue to beat a dead horse.
 
sorry Kapital, I'm not even gonna click the link

imagine that I wrote a reply and you replied "lame excuse" and we called it a day.
 
Legal expertise is not as relevant to this discussion as musical expertise. Like I said in my post, it seems that none of the believers have the musical ears to try to resolve this issue through a very simple and easily made comparison. It would literally take 30 minutes tops for a musically trained person and a hardcore Michael Jackson fan to prove that Michael sang the songs in this way.

edit: Oh yeah and yes Pentum that's the one!!! :)
 
@Aniram: The mixing is a mess. There's no point in comparisons. I did a few, people hear different things. I was told that Jason would be doing a good imitation there or that it just sounded like Jason. So, what's the point?
I also took a few sections that have been ridiculed the most and showed them to some doubters and these sections (eg "I feel like home" from "Black Widow") were believed to be Michael Jackson. Again: What's the point?
We all know that 12 songs are messed up.
Some of you are arguing that's because some Jason Malachi conspiracy happened, others don't agree. Still why do fans have to attack other fans? Some are very strong in their beliefs. And some show an extremistic behaviour.
The only thing you get from comparions is that people call others stupid and attack them.

In any case, the following is ON-TOPIC since Birchey's been using the rant against Cascio as a lame excuse for his server MJ files shopping and wants those who sympathize with him to continue thinking he was "looking for evidence".
And before you jump on me for not being well-disposed towards Birchey (I used to be until I learnt about his attempted stems scam), I might remind you that due to his crime he became a public figure and I certainly won't simply endorse his crime because he's "just another MJ fan" - as some are doing. A great majority of this thread's postings only happened because of Birchey's claims to "have proof" or "be able to solve this", whatever. Not to mention all talk about alleged "raw demos". You all know this. Apart from this and TPIMaster's screenshot collection of blog entries nothing ever happened.


I had hopes this mess would finally end but I have been lied to by Birchey. That's why I said the truth would come out in 2011, then 2012 and then 2013. But there's no consumer fraud case. It was all lies:

This is what it was all about:
Birchey said:
**** the french cuz give it 2 weeks and I will out reach all there [sic] collections
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Listen, everyone, please tell me: How are you gonna out reach a Michael Jackson collection? With 12 questionable songs?

And then the BS started after his arrest.
Birchey said:
lol, Sony can do what they like, I have enough info on them to tarnish them
I am going to drag Sony thru so much mud
no just thought u might like to know their [sic] will be an investigation of sorts at last
no but my solicitor will be seeking statements
have a lesson, read Damien Shields doc when it comes out
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Birchey said:
no infact u have helped me somewhat
apparently i went on the Sony servers for the ONLY purpose of selling stuff I got
which wasn't the case, and it's quiet easy for me to prove
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What happened with this? Right now he's blaming me for his arrest after having blamed Gaz/MJJC at first.
I still wonder how our chat logs would have been of any help for either him ("helped me somewhat") or SOCA.


And the rant will continue:
James ?@Birchey @kim1mj There is a core group of fans who will resolve the fake songs from "Michael" in time :)

Birchey's wife said:
But sadly there will be no need for a debate thread in the coming months, you'll have your answer.
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How many doubters were and are still hoping for Team Birchey to magically resolve this?
See, that's what has been happening here.


Over and out.
 
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Aniram said:
Legal expertise is not as relevant to this discussion as musical expertise.
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you didn't even read what I wrote right? because if you did you would have known I wasn't talking about legal expertise but how people could be passionate about different stuff - for example some music and some other stuff such as lawsuits. furthermore when I reply in regard to the music - just as I did today before I deleted it- no one replies it. It's funny that you demand explanations from believers and whenever you are given an explanation, the best you can do is either ignore it or call them a "lame excuse" but never challenge them.

for the future: please if you aren't going to make the effort to read and understand what I wrote, don't bother to reply to me.

and for the fun of it : how much musical expertise do you have? how much musical expertise does anyone on this thread have? none to a little at best. I'm yet to see anyone that makes their living from music or show any training or years of career knowledge. It's so easy for anyone to label themselves as an "expert" and claim superiority when at most they are just a fan with an opinion like everyone else.
 
ivy said:
you didn't even read what I wrote right? because if you did you would have known I wasn't talking about legal expertise but how people could be passionate about different stuff - for example some music and some other stuff . furthermore when I reply in regard to the music - just as I did today before I deleted it- no one replies it. It's funny that you demand explanations from believers and whenever you are given an explanation the best you can do is either ignore it or call them a "lame excuse" but never challenge them.

for the future: please if you aren't going to make the effort to read and understand what I wrote, don't bother to reply to me.

and for the fun of it : how much musical expertise do you have? how much musical expertise does anyone on this thread have? none to a little at best. I'm yet to see anyone that makes their living from music. It's so easy for anyone to label themselves as an "expert" and claim superiority when at most they are just a fan with an opinion like everyone else.
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I think I read it, and I listened again to Pentum's comparison, but I just don't hear what you hear. Pentum made this comparison not to make a great mix of two songs (right Pentum? because if that was your plan, it didn't work out well..:D), but to put fragments close together of identical sounding voices and way of singing, so the match would become more obvious.

The difference I hear (and maybe also what you hear) probably is because of different recordings, different equipment. To me the voices match.

And the main thing: It just doesn't sound like Michael Jackson.
 
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