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Maybe I've just missed them, but I haven't seen too many believers defending themselves recently.
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see the issue is that the difference between two sides. doubters who believe the songs to be not Michael is waiting for closure with the "truth" coming out. For the believers this is not the case. so you'll need to realize the difference.
I do have a lot of friends - from inside and outside MJJC- and whenever Cascio songs are mentioned they are like "are that discussion still going on?". that's a very common reaction from believer perspective.
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For believers (Like myself) there is really nothing to talk about I mean we believe that the lead vocalist on the "Cascio tracks" is Michael Jackson... So I don't see why any believers would waste their time discussing the "Cascio tracks" anymore, I come here cause I like reading everything in this thread and to see if there is any new stuff.
again: it's not solved from doubters perspective. from believers perspective there's nothing to be solved. this is the difference you seem to ignore.
Also honestly and realistically do you really expect it to be solved and/or "the truth" come out? I personally think this will be like this forever.
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How isn't there nothing to be solved from the believers' perspective? There's no single, not single one, credible argument coming from the believers' camp. All the arguments put forward by the believers to explain the discrepancies on those tracks are purely wild guesses -that sound more like excuses than explanation- based on blind faith in the official version without a single trace of either weak or solid proof. And there's nothing to be solved?
everything you write is from your perspective and how unhappy you are with any and all explanations.
however - again and again - you are missing the point that the believers do not feel like this. for a person that believes the songs are Michael and happy with the explanations or the "official" word, they don't need or want anything more.
as there's no problem from their perspective, they aren't looking for a solution.
you need to realize that it's only doubters who believe there is a lie and a problem and that's why you are looking for "the truth" or a "solution" to get closure in this regard. It doesn't apply to the believers.
similarly doubters want their version to be accepted by everyone and their version to challenge and replace the original word. Believers don't have this desire as well. Official word is already the same thing with what they believe and many of them - including me- do not care if anyone agrees with them or not.
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Weak argument again. It is not about "my perspective", it is fair to assume that about half of MJ community, if not more, have a big problem with the voice on those songs. In that sense a red flag should be raised rather than simply ignore 50%of MJ's fans' opinions.
People are right when they say how can anyone move on with such a big issue, believer or not?
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I don't know what my image is here in this thread, but I can tell you that normally I don't like crap or bs, I'm very down to earth, maybe even a hard person on many levels. But...Michael touched my heart. Maybe I'm not a fan as most of the 'fans' here on this board. I don't collect stuff, I never went to a concert. I don't recognize myself in the screaming fans at concerts. I would never do that. If I would have wanted to see Michael, it wouldn't be on a screen in the distance. That wouldn't be enough for me. I would have been sad if I went home.
So I don't know what kind of fan I am, but it's enough for me that he touched my heart. I never spoke a bad word about him. Ever. I was proud to be a Michael Jackson fan when no one around me was. I posted clips of him on my personal site with texts like "the one and only king of pop", when everyone had forgotten about him. To me it meant they didn't see the talent he had, but I did and I was proud of myself for that.
When I saw him in TII, I was shocked. I can't believe fans on here and other forums can post pictures of him where he looks horrible and post comments about his sexyness underneath it. So I don't relate to a lot of other fans. I disagree with a lot of them on all kinds of subjects relating to Michael Jackson and his family. The only thing that bonds me with other fans on here is the mutual respect and recognition of his talent (and his smile
)but for the rest....I feel a bit like a stranger on here.I don't know your friends, and I can understand the reactions from them, but not from your friends on MJJC.
Even 'believers' have said it doesn't sound like him and come up with reasons why they believe he sounds different. But that should be enough to demand clearity. It's not enough (IMO) to say: "I believe it's him" (which is what many, if not all, 'believers' say). You have to KNOW it's him. Especially when there are so many doubts and especially if you call yourself a Michael Jackson fan.
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ivy;3775134 said:
The truth will come out sooner or later. It´s not Michael Jackson on those tracks and sooner or later someone will say the truth for money. Maybe we will be older but be sure this will come out.
I hope the Mj kid will take out all those disgusting songs from BMI catalogue when they will have the power to do it. I also hope they are reading this post.
It´s impossible to hide a lie forever.
I didn´t heard some of the Cascio songs in full, i heard some snippets of them, and i can´t really believe how many still think it´s not Jason when it´s clear as "water".
It´s impossible that MJ recorded those awfull songs because it´s not his voice, it´s not his style, it´s not his vibratto and it´s 100% identical to the voice of Jason Malachi.
I trully believe that there is no fan who didn´t change his point of view after listen all the audio comparisions.
There are more of 200 or 300 audio comparisions, !!!! that´s not normal !!!.
All thouse audio comparisions show it´s Jason Malachi and there are no comparisions that can show me it´s MJ.
ivy;3775379 said:
By the way, i don´t think there are many believers. I trully feel that the most part of Mj community all over the world believe it´s Jason and not MJ.
Since 2001 i use to write on MJhideout, best MJ fan clun of Spain, and those Cascio tracks are like forbidden on the forum. Nobody cares for them and everybody knows the truth because most part of the audio comparisons have been heard without stop from mods or other parties.
Look on you tube, look on facebook, Mj forums, etc.... The Cascio tracks have no lovers. Nobody like them, nobody feel anything with them. Everybody hate them and hate the disturbing voice of Jason.
That´s the only one TRUTH.....what MJ fans feel about them and not what a bunch of lawyers wrote on a public note.
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You know, this whole Cascio situation has really changed my opinion of the fans. I always thought that we were all the kind of people that wouldn't just believe whatever we heard or were told (especially considering what Michael had to go through). This is what I see the "believers" doing at this very moment. They believe that it's him only because that's what they were told - no proof whatsoever. It's sad.
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where's this majority? and why only a handful of the same people are writing on this thread then?
I understand the hurt and the need for closure but seriously you cannot deny that many people - believer or doubter- has moved on from this topic.
Chamife;3775424 said:
It's true from MJJC perspective as well. About a year or so ago when we did a survey among the MJJC members and got close to 1000 people respond, there was a separation of opinions about Cascio songs. There was a group that wanted any and all Cascio song debate deleted from the forum. Those same people never set a foot in this thread and get surprised when you tell them the thread is still ongoing.
clarity was demanded the next day after the breaking news streamed by asking an explanation and the clarity - at least what they were willing to provide - was provided 3 days later with Weitzman's statement.
I'm thinking they won't address this issue any more.
Kapital77;3775445 said:
so to be clear? are we looking at 25 years later?
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anyway I said what I wanted to say. It's just that believers and doubters have a different approach to this situation - whether you accept it or not.
For me the only reason I was ever on this thread was that I liked the discussion, the mental challenge, the opinions. I'm not a person that likes empty talk, I like an intelligent discussion. That's what initially attracted me to this discussion for some time. However it got old, it became the same thing again and again. Even my own posts about the topic repeating the same old thing became boring and redundant for me. I have no interest in the topic or discussing it. I have no interest in changing anyone's opinion - in any regard. I have always been confident in my own skin and I don't need approval or confirmation of myself or my fandom. I don't have anything to prove to anyone. Like Adki, I only check this thread to see if there's anything new and sometimes to poke the thread - when I post something like this it gets doubters all heated and in a response mode.
Realistically given that 2+ years later, I don't expect anything new to come out. And I believe this will be a topic that will be in limbo forever.
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Yeah...
The other day i read some quotes from Tommy Mottola book defending himself from the attacks of MJ when he was alive and some fans believe what Mottola said... !!!! amazing !!!!.
It´s like MJ it´s not here and nobody cares for what MJ teach us when he was alive.
The other day i read some quotes from Tommy Mottola book defending himself from the attacks of MJ when he was alive and some fans believe what Mottola said... !!!! amazing !!!!.
It´s like MJ it´s not here and nobody cares for what MJ teach us when he was alive.
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I'm sorry but this is highly unfair. I have post on this thread in which in great detail I explained how Malachi has a different technique than the cascio singer. Why it is okay for you to believe that malachi's vibrato matches to the cascio vibrato based on nothing but your ears but you have no respect for the people that believe his technique doesn't match the cascio technique and act like they only say something because of a statement?
see this is another problem.
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ivy;3775509 said:
Because everybody hate the tracks and don´t want to focus on them. They know it´s Jason and don´t need to talk about them.
The ones that are here are fans who want to discover the complete truth.
ivy;3775509 said:
No... no..
You are talking about the time when only 3 Casio tracks were heard. Later, when other tracks and snippets were leaked, some change his mind and find the truth. If you heard snippets of Soldier Boy or Water, you will find it´s Jason and not MJ.
ivy;3775509 said:
I don´t care, i can wait forever because MJ, as a person and as a singer, was very important on the life of many.