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Michael - The Great Album Debate

Lucilla said:
If he's saying the truth will eventually come out means that the truth is not out yet :).
But you're right, he's too vague.
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well I took that truth will be out part as "proven without doubt" because what each sides believes to be truth is already out. We just don't know what is the actual truth for a fact. In other words for example "your truth" is that it's Malachi on these songs but it's not "the truth" as it's not established or proved as fact and accepted by everyone.

It's a bible verse actually that's in full form is "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

given that this person was asking for closure and saying stuff like "fans need this" he's saying that when you know the truth all of these will be over and you will be free of all these doubt.

but it can mean in either way. definitive proof in both scenarios - whether it's Michael or not - would bring closure.
 
ivy said:
uhmm,I don't think so. Proper use of "get his due" means that you did something good but you weren't recognized for it at time and/or even though some negative things can be said about you in the past now positive things can be said as well. Plus I don't think Michael's name was in any way affected in this event. Even the songs proven to be fake, it got nothing to do with Michael. Blame and negative reputation would be on other people not Michael.

For example imagine that you did a project at work and it was perfect, however you didn't get any praise or recognition. 6 months later your boss realizes "Wow that was perfect work" and gives you an bonus. so that would be an example of get your due.

so that sentence means for something - whatever that might be - Michael isn't getting his fair credit and Teddy saying in the end Michael always gets the fair credit.

To my mind what comes is if it's Michael on these songs , he is not getting credit from the doubters - who say it's Malachi and/or songs suck. So if we assume Teddy's "truth" is "It's Michael" and that can be proven / established then Michael will get his due credit as the vocalist.

But I wouldn't bet on this is what Teddy means. He's too vague to be clear about what he's saying. Like Bumper for his credibility I would imagine that he would stick with "It's Michael" but if you think he's crazy then everything is possible.

edit: At least the fan didn't get muted by Teddy, lol. A step in the right direction.



He was tweeting / talking a lot about the songs / events after the release and I believe within a week he said he can't talk about it anymore. I'm thinking it's possible that producers have been asked to sign confidentiality agreements and they could have said to Teddy "don't talk". I don't think this is an issue about what Teddy thinks, I'm thinking Sony and/or Estate wanted this debate to go away and not talking about it is a way to make it go away or at least not be on the forefront.
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So it's not possible it can be meant in a cynical way? Like 'Michael will get what he deserves'? You speak English...I don't know the expression and how it's used.

edit: At least the fan didn't get muted by Teddy, lol. That's a step in the right direction.
 
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Chamife said:
So it's not possible it can be meant in a cynical way? Like 'Michael will get what he deserves'? You speak English...I don't know the expression and how it's used.
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Well, he's "cynical" when it fits the believers' theory, for example when talking to/about Taryll or Taj, and at the same time he's "dead serious" when it fits again the believers' theory :D

Joke aside, I think that out of fear for credibility Teddy hasn't publicly changed his mind, like many believers in here.
 
I'm not in Teddy's mind and I cannot for certain say what he's meaning. It's just my interpretation. Other people might disagree.

here's examples of "gets his just due"

50 years later, Maris gets his just due & Mantle's son David said, "We're just honored to be here and see Roger get his due."

in an article about honoring a baseball player years later - http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/50-years-later-maris-gets-his-just-due-1.3198039

so it means he's trying to say that there's something that Michael is not getting the credit he deserves and Teddy is saying sooner or later Michael will get the credit / honor / recognition he deserves.

but what is Teddy talking about as the stuff Michael is not getting his fair credit? I don't know. Even thinking it's about Cascio songs is an assumption, he could even be talking in general terms. who knows really?
 
ivy said:
Teddy says "now isn't the time" and "I'm muted". he had mentioned before he was told to not talk about it anymore and/or that he signed a confidentiality agreement. so he's saying he won't and cannot talk about it now.
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One thing you did not mention is this tweet by Teddy:

@StellarSoul2001 Hell to da no!!! I ain't *$%+#$ wit dat isht. Dem B.A.N. never gave me isht.

This is before the exchange about now being the right time. Not sure who Teddy is calling B.A.N.'s here and which 'isht' they did not give him. I guess the only thing we can conclude from all this is indeed that he will not talk about the issue, at least not now (no surprise there).
 
I'm thinking the person has deleted their initial tweet that resulted in that tweet as answer from Teddy because it's not showing a prior tweet when I try to check the conversation.

The order of the visible convo is like this

From Teddy

@StellarSoul2001 Hell to da no!!! I ain't *$%+#$ wit dat isht. Dem B.A.N. never gave me isht.

From Stellarsoul

@TeddyRiley1 Do u still consider the Cascio tracks to be MJ’s vox? MJ fans want the old Teddy back bro. We all know the truth, let’s level.

@TeddyRiley1 Wanna hear the Dangerous album again without thinking in the back of my head what happened in 2010. Fans need real Teddy back.

@TeddyRiley1 Not attacking you man just wanna level and let the truth shine. It’s time. MJ would want it. Fans need this.

From Teddy

@StellarSoul2001 All good bro...noe isn't the time. I'm muted, but trust me MJ always gets his just due. He is my bestfriend, bigbro, and confidant. 2nd to god that I can talk to. Pls believe!!! The truth will set us all free. Much love to you!!

From Stellarsoul

@TeddyRiley1 …necessarily think ur the bad guy. Maybe just sum1 who was put in a difficult position. Still, ur in a position of...

@TeddyRiley1 …responsibility 2 defend ur big bro. Hope you choose 2 one day for his legacy’s sake and also the fans. We need closure on it.

so the first tweet is missing / deleted.
 
ivy said:
I'm not in Teddy's mind and I cannot for certain say what he's meaning. It's just my interpretation. Other people might disagree.

here's examples of "gets his just due"

50 years later, Maris gets his just due & Mantle's son David said, "We're just honored to be here and see Roger get his due."

in an article about honoring a baseball player years later - http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/50-years-later-maris-gets-his-just-due-1.3198039

so it means he's trying to say that there's something that Michael is not getting the credit he deserves and Teddy is saying sooner or later Michael will get the credit / honor / recognition he deserves.

but what is Teddy talking about as the stuff Michael is not getting his fair credit? I don't know. Even thinking it's about Cascio songs is an assumption, he could even be talking in general terms. who knows really?
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Thanks.

Teddy Riley is speaking in tongues..:D

SoCav said:
One thing you did not mention is this tweet by Teddy:

@StellarSoul2001 Hell to da no!!! I ain't *$%+#$ wit dat isht. Dem B.A.N. never gave me isht.

This is before the exchange about now being the right time. Not sure who Teddy is calling B.A.N.'s here and which 'isht' they did not give him. I guess the only thing we can conclude from all this is indeed that he will not talk about the issue, at least not now (no surprise there).
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Estate probably muted everbody involved in this project, because everybody stays silent. One of the nephews (Taj in the MJJC interview?) also said he couldn't say much about it or he would get into trouble.
 
ivy said:
I'm thinking the person has deleted their initial tweet that resulted in that tweet as answer from Teddy because it's not showing a prior tweet when I try to check the conversation.
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Yeah, same here, you are probably right. At second glance, it might actually be unrelated to the rest of the conversation, because the question about the Cascio tracks that follows after that looks like it could be the first one about that topic.
 
He started by asking if Teddy still believed the vocals were Michael's: Starts from the bottum, then up.

Teddy Riley: All good bro...noe isn't the time. I'm muted, but trust me MJ always gets his just due. He is my ... http://tmi.me/IXsbJ
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3 Feb StellarSoul ‏@StellarSoul2001
@TeddyRiley1 …responsibility 2 defend ur big bro. Hope you choose 2 one day for his legacy’s sake and also the fans. We need closure on it.
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3 Feb StellarSoul ‏@StellarSoul2001
@TeddyRiley1 …necessarily think ur the bad guy. Maybe just sum1 who was put in a difficult position. Still, ur in a position of...
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3 Feb StellarSoul ‏@StellarSoul2001
@TeddyRiley1 Ok, I know Cascio trax are a touchy situation still. Plz follow me so we can DM 1 day when ur not muted. MJ fans don’t...
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3 Feb StellarSoul ‏@StellarSoul2001

@TeddyRiley1 Not attacking you man just wanna level and let the truth shine. It’s time. MJ would want it. Fans need this.
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3 Feb StellarSoul ‏@StellarSoul2001
@TeddyRiley1 Wanna hear the Dangerous album again without thinking in the back of my head what happened in 2010. Fans need real Teddy back.
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3 Feb StellarSoul ‏@StellarSoul2001

Teddy Riley: Hell to da no!!! I ain't *$%+#$ wit dat isht. Dem B.A.N. never gave me isht.

@TeddyRiley1 Do u still consider the Cascio tracks to be MJ’s vox? MJ fans want the old Teddy back bro. We all know the truth, let’s level.

Nothing is missing.
 
Chamife;3773041 said:
Teddy Riley: Hell to da no!!! I ain't *$%+#$ wit dat isht. Dem B.A.N. never gave me isht.

@TeddyRiley1 Do u still consider the Cascio tracks to be MJ’s vox? MJ fans want the old Teddy back bro. We all know the truth, let’s level.
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I think Teddy tweeted first. The tweet by Teddy at the top is dated 3.16 a.m., the one by StellarSoul 3.19 a.m.
 
SoCav;3773042 said:
I think Teddy tweeted first. The tweet by Teddy at the top is dated 3.16 a.m., the one by StellarSoul 3.19 a.m.
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yep

this one from Teddy is timed at 3:16 AM

@stellar Hell to da no!!! I ain't *$%+#$ wit dat isht. Dem B.A.N. never gave me isht.

this one from Stellarsoul is 3:19 AM

@TeddyRiley1 Do u still consider the Cascio tracks to be MJ’s vox? MJ fans want the old Teddy back bro. We all know the truth, let’s level.

Teddy's response that starts with all good bro is 3:31 AM

so the first tweet that Teddy responded is missing. Stellar most probably deleted that tweet.
 
I wonder what Jasno Malachi thinks of those Cascio songs. He never expressed his opinion about them :D
 
Okay cool ya'll seen the Teddy tweets. Sorry that I didn't post em myself when I mentioned them earlier, couldn't figure out what convo came first? Sometimes Twitter confuses me lol. Thought it be better for everyone to check it out themselves cause u know Teddy is all over the place. I don't know what the hell he really meant? But, If he went on Oprah sayin what he said (which I didn't believe) I can't see him backin up now.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
I wonder what Jasno Malachi thinks of those Cascio songs. He never expressed his opinion about them :D
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When Breaking News first released on Twitter was like "great song, but who's singing?"

Quite ironic I thought, I thought it was sarcastic.

Only later he replied along the lines of "no (it's not me), but it sounds great, but not Michael"

Perhaps it wasn't Jason's real twitter there were two, can't remember as they're gone now.
 
well he seems to be back on FB and twitter, I guess you can ask him and see if he'll respond
 
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Well, I am simply saying open your eyes and stop being naive, here's the latest example of exactly the opposite of your argument. Everything's always posible:





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The Hague, the Netherlands
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4 February 2013





A major investigation involving Europol and police teams from 13 European countries has uncovered an extensive criminal network involved in widespread football match-fixing. A total of 425 match officials, club officials, players, and serious criminals, from more than 15 countries, are suspected of being involved in attempts to fix more than 380 professional football matches. The activities formed part of a sophisticated organised crime operation, which generated over €8 million in betting profits and involved over €2 million in corrupt payments to those involved in the matches. The Joint Investigation Team (JIT), codenamed Operation VETO, ran between July 2011 and January 2013. Led by Europol, Germany, Finland, Hungary, Austria and Slovenia, it was also supported by Eurojust, Interpol and investigators from eight other European countries. The investigation coordinated multiple police enquiries across Europe and was facilitated by intelligence reports from Europol, based on the analysis of 13,000 emails and other material, which identified links between matches and suspects and uncovered the nature of the organised crime network behind the illegal activities. The investigation has since led to several prosecutions in the countries involved, including Germany where 14 persons have already been convicted and sentenced to a total of 39 years in prison. “This is a sad day for European football and more evidence of the corrupting influence in society of organised crime. But this investigation also proves the value of international police cooperation in fighting back against the criminals involved. Europol and its law enforcement partners are committed to pursuing serious criminals wherever they operate. Unfortunately this also now includes the world of football, where illegal profits are made on a scale and in a way that threatens the very fabric of the game. All those responsible for running football should heed the warnings found in this case,” says Rob Wainwright, Director of Europol. He also confirmed that he will be sharing the results of the investigation with UEFA President, Michel Platini. Among the 380 or more suspicious matches identified by this case are World Cup and European Championship qualification matches, two UEFA Champions League matches and several top-flight matches in European national leagues. In addition another 300 suspicious matches were identified outside Europe, mainly in Africa, Asia, South and Central America.“We have evidence for 150 of these cases and the operations were run out of Singapore with bribes of up to 100 000 euros paid per match. Even two World Championship Qualification matches in Africa, and one in Central America, are under suspicion,” says Fridhelm Althans from Bochum Police, Germany, and a spokesman for JIT Veto. This information will be shared with Interpol for further action in the context of its long-term efforts to work with a broad community around the world to crack down on this problem. “Match fixing is a global issue requiring strong partnerships at the national, regional and international levels not only to target and dismantle the criminal networks making millions in illicit profits, but also to implement training programmes to better protect all those involved in football,” said Mr Gianni Baldi, Head of Interpol’s Drugs and Organized Crime Unit.The organised criminal group behind most of these activities has been betting primarily on the Asian market. The ringleaders are of Asian origin, working closely together with European facilitators. During the investigation, links were also found to Russian-speaking and other criminal syndicates.The international nature of match-fixing, exposed in this case, presents a major challenge to investigators and prosecutors. One fixed match can involve up to 50 suspects in 10 countries, spanning different legal frameworks and definitions of match-fixing and betting fraud.Ms Michèle Coninsx, President of Eurojust, commented: “International cooperation was the key to the success of this challenging cross-border case, involving more than 30 countries. Coordination meetings at Eurojust, including video conferences with Asian counterparts, facilitated the opening of new investigations and the resolution of complex judicial issues. Eurojust provided access to funding for JIT Veto, one of the largest JITs in history.” The successful outcome of JIT Veto proves both the added value of Eurojust and the JIT Funding Project, which in 2012 financed 62 different JITs involving 22 Member States.JIT Veto investigations are still ongoing.
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Some of my favorite Malachi tweets:

"i am not associated with the #new #mj #breakingnews song. If it was really me, it would be alot harder to tell!" - November 9, 2010

"i did not sing any songs on MJ'S new album for god sake give it a rest. :(" - August 11, 2011

"in my humble opinion they aint his kids." - March 2, 2012

"for one shes not even his daughter. shes invalid." - March 3, 2012

God, this guy is just ASKING for hate.
 
I think his account on twitter later got hacked by Worldwide, meaning everything tweeted after Worldwides hack was not Jason. Not 100% sure about this, but I think that's how it went down
 
Everytime i heard Teddy Riley this image came to my mind:

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AlwaysThere said:
Some of my favorite Malachi tweets:

"i am not associated with the #new #mj #breakingnews song. If it was really me, it would be alot harder to tell!" - November 9, 2010

"i did not sing any songs on MJ'S new album for god sake give it a rest. :(" - August 11, 2011

"in my humble opinion they aint his kids." - March 2, 2012

"for one shes not even his daughter. shes invalid." - March 3, 2012

God, this guy is just ASKING for hate.
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All tweets after the first one are fake.
 
that first tweet is interesting though - u see it doubters?

hmm I wonder if I can read posts of Jason to see if he uses proper sentence structures.
 
That's the thing, the "new" Jason Cupeta's sentence structure and grammar doesn't match the OLD Jason Malachi
 
ivy said:
that first tweet is interesting though - u see it doubters?

hmm I wonder if I can read posts of Jason to see if he uses proper sentence structures.
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Well, his oral skills gives him away much more on those Cascio songs than his written skills on his twitter. U see it, believers?
 
Also, Ivy, weren't you one of the people who thought the vibrato was created using softwares?
 
Pentum said:
Also, Ivy, weren't you one of the people who thought the vibrato was created using softwares?
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nope not all of it at least. and I never claimed it was "created" when it didn't exist. I reject the "vibrato is not affected by processing" claims in a general sense. In other words I said it's possible for Michael's vibrato to sound different. You are the ones that are matching it to Jason - not me.

btw did you compare the footage from the studio and the actual released version of the same song? I'm quite busy this week and I didn't had the chance to really listen to anything in a calm setting.
 
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