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Michael Jackson v. Wade Robson, a new trial to be held

I dont see the estate settling at all. Isnt Tom the estates lawyer in this case? Tom will destroy any credibility Wade thinks he has. Brandi, Brett, Taj, etc would be the last people he would want to testify. I'm confident that the estate can win this.
 
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I never once suggested settling and I'm very annoyed people leaped in logic to that idea.

They are going to fight this and they intend to win. Their is no issue in getting this underway and in their favor.
 
We have two trials coming,
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When will the trial potentially start? 2025 or later?
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We can take bets, but we really can't say. There's still a lot to consider.

Just to make clear (BOTH) Robson and Safechuck's case came back denied, meaning two trials.

We don't know:
1. If the Estate will try to consolidate both cases into one.
2. If the Estate will go for summary judgement to dismiss the duty COA's in Safechuck's case, since he wasn't employed before '95.
3. How much discovery can be permitted for the Robson case.
 
KOPV said:
We have two trials coming,

We can take bets, but we really can't say. There's still a lot to consider.

Just to make clear (BOTH) Robson and Safechuck's case came back denied, meaning two trials.

We don't know:
1. If the Estate will try to consolidate both cases into one.
2. If the Estate will go for summary judgement to dismiss the duty COA's in Safechuck's case, since he wasn't employed before '95.
3. How much discovery can be permitted for the Robson case.
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Thank you!
 
ChrisC said:
Maybe three potential outcomes here.

1) Estate lose. Total cancellation of MJ.

2) Estate win. Tipping point for the clearing of MJ's name all the way back to 1993.

3) Estate win. But question marks remain over MJ and young boys.

I'll take option #2.
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Hope the overcome will be #2 so new surprises are coming!!!!!! The biopic will have an extensive long-lasting campaign everything and everywhere!!!!! MJ the Musical and MJ One will be revamped!!!!! The former will have a world tour in its revamped format, with actors who have played Michael Jackson from different stages of his life in every and all productions of MJ (Broadway, West End, U.S Tour, Hamburg etc) coming together to represent each production and each version of MJ will be portrayed by each actor from each production around the world in the revamped world tour!!!!! Other changes include new songs, the splitting of Middle Michael part into two separate versions of himself (one playing mid-70s Michael with an afro, the other one playing early-mid 80s Michael with a Jheri curl); the increasing number of actors who have played the title characters from different eras of his life (from three to at least the total number of productions of MJ the Musical); the increasing number of Michael Jacksons from different stages of his life as well (from three to at least the total number of productions of MJ the Musical); the all-MJ group song by all Michael Jacksons from different eras singing together outside of MITM and finale; Michael Jacksons playing instruments (guitar, piano, bass guitar, drums, keyboards, percussions, all other instruments that Michael played in his lifetime, and instruments that Michael never played in his lifetime); all versions of MJ interacting with each other, new dialogue, brand new set, new characters, multiple MJs in dance-offs with dance icons!!!! In the revamped musical, all Michael Jacksons from different stages of his career will sing solos, duets, trios, quartets, and so on!!!!! After the world tour, all productions of MJ will adapt this updated formula!!!!! MJ One will include songs from the biopic and new choreography and new pre-show and post-show music!!!!!! All companies will work with MJ's estate!!!! The Neverland Ranch will open to the public and I will like to go to this place!!!!!! Mattel will make a (male) Michael Jackson Barbie doll and (female) Barbie Michael Jackson doll at the same time. Both dolls will be part of Barbie Music Series and will be released simultaneously on the same day!!! MJ will be the first celebrity to immortalize as a Barbie in two different forms. The former will be made in his likeness and the latter will have a female Barbie dressed up as MJ. The former will wear outfits from different eras and the latter will be coming in white, black, Hispanic, Asian, mixed-race, and American Indian options!!!!! The revamped formula of the former show will last at least 180 minutes!!!!
 
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I hope the estate wins so new surprises are coming!!!!!! The biopic will have an extensive long-lasting campaign everything and everywhere!!!!! The biopic will show the truth of Michael Jackson!!!! MJ the Musical and MJ One will be revamped!!!!! The former will have a world tour in its revamped format, with actors who have played Michael Jackson from different stages of his life in every single production of MJ (Broadway, West End, U.S Tour, Hamburg etc) coming together to represent and portray every single production and each version of MJ will be portrayed by each actor from every single production around the world in the world tour!!!!! Other changes include new songs, the splitting of Middle Michael part into two separate versions of himself (one playing mid-70s Michael with an afro, the other one playing early-mid 80s Michael with a Jheri curl); the increasing number of actors who have played the title characters at different eras of his life (from three to at least the total number of productions of MJ the Musical); the increasing number of Michael Jacksons at different stages of his life as well (from three to at least the total number of productions of MJ the Musical); the all-MJ group song by all Michael Jacksons at different eras singing together outside of MITM and finale; Michael Jacksons playing instruments (guitar, piano, bass guitar, drums, keyboards, percussions, all other instruments that Michael played in his lifetime, and instruments that Michael never played in his lifetime); all versions of MJ interacting with each other, new dialogue, brand new set, new characters, multiple MJs in dance-offs with dance icons!!!! In the revamped musical, all Michael Jacksons at different stages of his career will sing solos, duets, trios, quartets, and so on!!!!! The world tour will have a soundtrack, with all the songs from the tour!!!! All dates and tickets of the world tour and all productions of MJ the Musical will be sold out!!!!! After the world tour, all productions of MJ will adapt this updated formula!!!!! All future productions will have updated formulas!!!! The revamped formula of the former show will last at least 180 minutes!!!! MJ One will include songs from the biopic and new choreography and new pre-show and post-show music!!!!!! All companies will work with MJ's estate!!!! The Neverland Ranch will open to the public as a tourist attraction and an amusement park and I will like to go to this place!!!!!! Mattel will make a (male) Michael Jackson Barbie doll and (female) Barbie Michael Jackson doll at the same time. Both dolls will be part of Barbie Music Series and will be released simultaneously on the same day!!! MJ will be the first celebrity to immortalize as a Barbie in two different forms. The former will be made in his likeness and the latter will have a female Barbie dressed up as MJ. The former will wear outfits from different eras and the latter will be coming in white, black, Hispanic, Asian, mixed-race, and American Indian options!!!!!
 
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They gotta win because I‘ve said this like a bout a hundred times and I’ll just keep saying this again, California has the worst, yet most f🤬ked up justice system in America and they make me sick with hatred and anger towards them and if they don’t smarten up and end this propaganda against MJ (in death) I will riot.
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PoP said:
They gotta win because I‘ve said this like a bout a hundred times and I’ll just keep saying this again, California has the worst, yet most f🤬ked up justice system in America and they make me sick with hatred and anger towards them and if they don’t smarten up and end this propaganda against MJ (in death) I will riot.
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Alright @PoP fam have you. we are all in this together aren't we? *hug from UK to Canada*
 
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It only took 10 years to get to this point. Only in California could this have happened. And also to me its clear its all thanks to Leaving Neverland. Their plan was to get that out to influence the court cases and they hit the jackpot sadly! Its unbeliavable! The Estate had them beat and on the ropes completely and now they all of a sudden made a knockout punch from nowhere!
 
Lightbringer said:
It only took 10 years to get to this point. Only in California could this have happened. And also to me its clear its all thanks to Leaving Neverland. Their plan was to get that out to influence the court cases and they hit the jackpot sadly! Its unbeliavable! The Estate had them beat and on the ropes completely and now they all of a sudden made a knockout punch from nowhere!
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This could also be flipped around, coming after that doc, it makes them look money hungry. Hope the estate can find away to counter sue, the companies are being held responsible, what the hell what about the parents, no accountability for them.
 
Lightbringer said:
It only took 10 years to get to this point. Only in California could this have happened. And also to me its clear its all thanks to Leaving Neverland. Their plan was to get that out to influence the court cases and they hit the jackpot sadly! Its unbeliavable! The Estate had them beat and on the ropes completely and now they all of a sudden made a knockout punch from nowhere!
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this court is run by insane people who believe lies
this court is a real madhouse
 
Lightbringer said:
It only took 10 years to get to this point. Only in California could this have happened. And also to me its clear its all thanks to Leaving Neverland. Their plan was to get that out to influence the court cases and they hit the jackpot sadly! Its unbeliavable! The Estate had them beat and on the ropes completely and now they all of a sudden made a knockout punch from nowhere!
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Unfortunately, in my country, the justice system has been corrupted since the beginning of time, and sadly, still is. Not just Michael, but the whole demographic, period (I could go on with examples, but trying to stay on topic on this page).

As I mentioned a while ago, I truly believe Michael wanted to go to court and fight those false allegations back in 1993, but was surrounded by unfortunate circumstances. His insurance company made that settlement, which we all know was a huge mistake because look what happened after that. Still I never doubted Michael's innocence, mainly because there wasn't any evidence at all, even the FBI investigated and found nothing. California may be land of opportunity for many talents, but still have to deal with the harsh realities of life. Now with social media, a lot of information is now coming to light that the corrupters have been trying to cover up after all those years.

At this point, all we could is pray and show the Estate and the Jacksons our support in spirit (even if you don't believe in faith, it's okay). This will take several years, but in the meantime, I'm going to keep blasting the music!
 
Forgive me if I say anything insensitive or incorrect here, but wasn't there a tiny chance of the supreme court accepting this case from the start? If so, then it shouldn't be too surprising that they rejected it. I'm not saying we shouldn't be upset by their decision though. I'm saying that expectations must be managed. Personally, I hoped for the best, but in the end, the court didn't want to be bothered by this case just like it did with most cases. My hopes were low. I expected the court would pass it by.

I don't know how civil trials are. I hear that the burden of proof is low. If so, the estate's defense must be pretty g**d**n convincing to the judge and jury, and show/prove that, above everything else, there was no abuse to begin with and that it's all a cash grab, if they're allowed to do that. So, their arguments must be striking.

I know a lot of you are disappointed by the latest developments. I am too. But personally, I'm trying to see this as just how the legal system is even though it's severely flawed from the ground up. I don't like it, but let's hope and pray that the estate will put on a strong defense.
 
TAW1979 said:
Forgive me if I say anything insensitive or incorrect here, but wasn't there a tiny chance of the supreme court accepting this case from the start? If so, then it shouldn't be too surprising that they rejected it. I'm not saying we shouldn't be upset by their decision though. I'm saying that expectations must be managed.
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@andjustice4some posted this back in June from the original TMZ report. I've edited it down to the essential bit:

TMZ report explained: [...]

SC only hears 5% of the cases submitted, so it's a long shot.

[...] If the SC refuses to hear the case, the case will go back to the lower court for trial. If the case goes to trial, we're looking at some serious time before it happens. Possibly some time next year.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1673661337354878976
 
"...the estate's defense must be pretty g**d**n convincing to the judge and jury, and show/prove that, above everything else, there was no abuse to begin with and that it's all a cash grab..."

This is just my opinion. I forgot to indicate that. But they still must mount a strong defense.
 
Just seen P Diddy or whatever he calls himself these days has just settled with his Ex literally one day after being accused of rape and a host of other nasty things from her.

What does that tell you? He's basically guilty in the eyes of the public now. The suggestions that the estate should settle is ludicrous!

They must win this civil case. I do have major fears though they Robson and Safechuck are getting closer and closer to a breakthrough and the courts will do anything to make MJ as an example and finally convict.
 
TAW1979 said:
Forgive me if I say anything insensitive or incorrect here, but wasn't there a tiny chance of the supreme court accepting this case from the start? If so, then it shouldn't be too surprising that they rejected it. I'm not saying we shouldn't be upset by their decision though. I'm saying that expectations must be managed. Personally, I hoped for the best, but in the end, the court didn't want to be bothered by this case just like it did with most cases. My hopes were low. I expected the court would pass it by.

I don't know how civil trials are. I hear that the burden of proof is low. If so, the estate's defense must be pretty g**d**n convincing to the judge and jury, and show/prove that, above everything else, there was no abuse to begin with and that it's all a cash grab, if they're allowed to do that. So, their arguments must be striking.

I know a lot of you are disappointed by the latest developments. I am too. But personally, I'm trying to see this as just how the legal system is even though it's severely flawed from the ground up. I don't like it, but let's hope and pray that the estate will put on a strong defense.
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You’re right, I just think many of us were just hoping for the 5% chance to get it dismissed and are disappointed but not really surprised.
 
Robbsaber01 said:
I dont see the estate settling at all. Isnt Tom the estates lawyer in this case? Tom will destroy any credibility Wade thinks he has. Brandi, Brett, Taj, etc would be the last people he would want to testify. I'm confident that the estate can win this.
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Since the case is mainly about the production company and whether they had a responsibility/duty to care for the kids, I wonder whether the accusation of Wade and James towards Michael is part of the case. I mean, they lost multiple cases about 'being abused' over de years due to, I guess, credibility issues.

I am afraid they might take their story for granted or irrelevant, and only look at the responsibilities of the production company. In that case, Brandi, Brett, Taj, all the debunked stories of LN, proven lies and contradiction etc. are useless.

In general, if the case is favoured to James and Wade it doesnt mean anything about their accusation on Michael, but watch the media interpret it that way...

Correct me if I'm wrong but didnt the estate say that Wade and James were never hired by MJJ productions?
 
MJImpeccable said:
Since the case is mainly about the production company and whether they had a responsibility/duty to care for the kids, I wonder whether the accusation of Wade and James towards Michael is part of the case. I mean, they lost multiple cases about 'being abused' over de years due to, I guess, credibility issues.

I am afraid they might take their story for granted or irrelevant, and only look at the responsibilities of the production company. In that case, Brandi, Brett, Taj, all the debunked stories of LN, proven lies and contradiction etc. are useless.

In general, if the case is favoured to James and Wade it doesnt mean anything about their accusation on Michael, but watch the media interpret it that way...

Correct me if I'm wrong but didnt the estate say that Wade and James were never hired by MJJ productions?
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When you say it doesn't mean anything about their accusation on Michael, I disagree completely.

It's basically saying that MJJ productions allowed MJ to molest the boys and they neglected their duty of care. That's a guilty verdict in the eyes of the public.
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
When you say it doesn't mean anything about their accusation on Michael, I disagree completely.

It's basically saying that MJJ productions allowed MJ to molest the boys and they neglected their duty of care. That's a guilty verdict in the eyes of the public.
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I just meant that the ruling of the jury is not about whether Michael himself is guilty or not.

But yes I get what you mean, youre right, and that is part of the case is so fucked up..
How can you blame the estate/production company on responsibility for something that didnt happen.
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
When you say it doesn't mean anything about their accusation on Michael, I disagree completely.

It's basically saying that MJJ productions allowed MJ to molest the boys and they neglected their duty of care. That's a guilty verdict in the eyes of the public.
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Well the train of thought is not "Did he", it's "Are they culpable in that?" There's not even any room for arguing if he's innocent.
 
MJImpeccable said:
I just meant that the ruling of the jury is not about whether Michael himself is guilty or not.

But yes I get what you mean, youre right, and that is part of the case is so fucked up..
How can you blame the estate/production company on responsibility for something that didnt happen.
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I agree with you, such a shame on his name getting dragged through the gutter again.

They're trying every way possible to try and bring him down
 
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