Michael Jackson v. Wade Robson, a new trial to be held

I agree with you, such a shame on his name getting dragged through the gutter again.

They're trying every way possible to try and bring him down
I agree with you, such a shame on his name getting dragged through the gutter again.

They're trying every way possible to try and bring him down
His mother was the one not protecting him, that's so true. This is such a joke, she should be on trial she allowed her son to spend time with michael no questions asked maybe she will be his down fall in all of this
 
I really wish there was something I could say to make us all feel more at ease. Here's a few things I know of that might help: MJ's still being played on the radio as much as ever. His videos are still being played on BET Her. MJ: the Musical, as far as I know, is still bringing in audiences and filling up theaters. A biopic film is coming. And there's a documentary that will likely counter LN in the works (Trial By Media: The Michael Jackson Story). I hope this helps.
 
I really wish there was something I could say to make us all feel more at ease. Here's a few things I know of that might help: MJ's still being played on the radio as much as ever. His videos are still being played on BET Her. MJ: the Musical, as far as I know, is still bringing in audiences and filling up theaters. A biopic film is coming. And there's a documentary that will likely counter LN in the works (Trial By Media: The Michael Jackson Story). I hope this helps.

One other thing I noticed on TikTok for example, is more and more young people dont believe all the lies on Michael and say that people did him dirty and tried to discredit him. I have seen a lot of pro-MJ vids from people talking about this and even lots of people responding to anti-MJ comments.

It could be my algorithm but its nice to see this messages seems to be spreading.
 
One other thing I noticed on TikTok for example, is more and more young people dont believe all the lies on Michael and say that people did him dirty and tried to discredit him. I have seen a lot of pro-MJ vids from people talking about this and even lots of people responding to anti-MJ comments.

It could be my algorithm but its nice to see this messages seems to be spreading.
This is why I think that people will see this for what it is, and as regards L N 2 really, the general public at some point will be like what, why are they still doing this the more they push the more they look like liars
 
At this point I don't think it matters really. Chris Brown, R.Kelly, Tupac. They all still have fans. I find that insane, in the first twos case. But it really just doesn't matter too much to people. Even Tupac, who I ultimately believe was innocent, did not even beat the allegations. He went to prison..that changed him.

The difference with Michael is that nothing that has transpired has stuck to him. No one in good faith believes any or at least most of the things. And that doesn't ever need to change. But his legacy regardless is sealed. He will not go the way of Cosby or Saville.
 
At this point I don't think it matters really. Chris Brown, R.Kelly, Tupac. They all still have fans. I find that insane, in the first twos case. But it really just doesn't matter too much to people. Even Tupac, who I ultimately believe was innocent, did not even beat the allegations. He went to prison..that changed him.

The difference with Michael is that nothing that has transpired has stuck to him. No one in good faith believes any or at least most of the things. And that doesn't ever need to change. But his legacy regardless is sealed. He will not go the way of Cosby or Saville.
I'd consider child molestation the worst type of crime committed out of those above , not that it's a competition.

His legacy is forever tainted anyway but I do believe it would be impossible to fully cancel MJ, he's too big a star with irresistible music behind him.

If the estate wins it's party time 🥳🎉
 
Wade Robson and Co must be kecking it's circus clown pants. And boy, I'm so ready to go head to head with @john @thomasm @estate on these court jester clowns.
 
I'd consider child molestation the worst type of crime committed out of those above , not that it's a competition.

His legacy is forever tainted anyway but I do believe it would be impossible to fully cancel MJ, he's too big a star with irresistible music behind him.

If the estate wins it's party time 🥳🎉
R.Kelly was the worst type of criminal then, he's a convicted pedophile and trafficker.

For some reason, people have scandalized MJ worse than that guy, even when the former was just accused and the latter had

Already married a 16 year old and
Been caught in infamous productions of illegal content

I honestly think, people are just offended MJ is accused of being a gay pedophile. And accused of assaulting white children. If MJ had been accused of dealing inappropriately with black children, especially black girls, some people would unfortunately not even bat an eye. Which is a horrible distinction to draw the line at.

I Doubt r.kelly had an audience in the UK tho so I imagine you don't deal in much discourse on him anyway.

Is he fully canceled? Close but still not entirely. He still has his defenders somehow. His legacy is honestly not big enough to be worth saving. His biggest accomplishments are as asterisks in other people's careers.
 
I hope the estate wins so new surprises are coming!!!!!! The biopic will have an extensive long-lasting campaign everything and everywhere!!!!! The biopic will show the truth of Michael Jackson!!!! MJ the Musical and MJ One will be revamped!!!!! The former will have a world tour in its revamped format, with actors who have played Michael Jackson from different stages of his life in every and all productions of MJ (Broadway, West End, U.S Tour, Hamburg etc) coming together to represent each production and each version of MJ will be portrayed by each actor from each production around the world in the revamped world tour!!!!! Other changes include new songs, the splitting of Middle Michael part into two separate versions of himself (one playing mid-70s Michael with an afro, the other one playing early-mid 80s Michael with a Jheri curl); the increasing number of actors who have played the title characters from different eras of his life (from three to at least the total number of productions of MJ the Musical); the increasing number of Michael Jacksons from different stages of his life as well (from three to at least the total number of productions of MJ the Musical); the all-MJ group song by all Michael Jacksons from different eras singing together outside of MITM and finale; Michael Jacksons playing instruments (guitar, piano, bass guitar, drums, keyboards, percussions, all other instruments that Michael played in his lifetime, and instruments that Michael never played in his lifetime); all versions of MJ interacting with each other, new dialogue, brand new set, new characters, multiple MJs in dance-offs with dance icons!!!! In the revamped musical, all Michael Jacksons from different stages of his career will sing solos, duets, trios, quartets, and so on!!!!! The world tour will have a soundtrack, with all the songs from the tour!!!! All dates and tickets of the world tour and all productions of MJ the Musical will be sold out!!!!! After the world tour, all productions of MJ will adapt this updated formula!!!!! All future productions will have updated formulas!!!! The revamped formula of the former show will last at least 180 minutes!!!! MJ One will include songs from the biopic and new choreography and new pre-show and post-show music!!!!!! All companies will work with MJ's estate!!!! The Neverland Ranch will open to the public as a tourist attraction and an amusement park and I will like to go to this place!!!!!! Mattel will make a (male) Michael Jackson Barbie doll and (female) Barbie Michael Jackson doll at the same time. Both dolls will be part of Barbie Music Series and will be released simultaneously on the same day!!! MJ will be the first celebrity to immortalize as a Barbie in two different forms. The former will be made in his likeness and the latter will have a female Barbie dressed up as MJ. The former will wear outfits from different eras and the latter will be coming in white, black, Hispanic, Asian, mixed-race, and American Indian options!!!!!
All of that & then 2033... here comes someone with new claims. This happens every 10years they say🙄
 
If the estate wins every case, then they'll be cleared of MJ's name posthumously going back to 1993.
If they are clearing of MJ's name, then new surprises are coming!!!!!! The biopic will have an extensive long-lasting campaign everything and everywhere!!!!! The biopic will show the truth of Michael Jackson!!!! MJ the Musical and MJ One will be revamped!!!!! The former will have a world tour in its revamped format, with actors who have played Michael Jackson from different stages of his life in every single production of MJ (Broadway/New York City, West End/London, U.S. Tour, Hamburg etc) coming together to represent every single production and each version of MJ will be portrayed by each actor from every single production around the world in the world tour!!!!! Other changes include new songs, the splitting of Middle Michael part into two separate versions of himself (one playing mid-70s Teenage Michael, the other one playing early-mid 80s Young Adult Michael); the increasing number of actors who have played the title characters at different eras of his life (from three to at least the total number of productions of MJ the Musical); the increasing number of Michael Jacksons at different stages of his life as well (from three to at least the total number of productions of MJ the Musical); the all-MJ group song by all Michael Jacksons at different eras singing together outside of MITM and finale; Michael Jacksons playing instruments (guitar, piano, bass guitar, drums, keyboards, percussion, all other instruments that Michael played in his lifetime, and instruments that Michael never played in his lifetime); all versions of MJ interacting with each other, new dialogue, brand new set, new characters, multiple MJs in dance-offs with dance icons!!!! In the revamped musical, all Michael Jacksons at different stages of his career will sing solos, duets, trios, quartets, and so on!!!!! The world tour will have a soundtrack, with all the songs from the tour!!!! All dates and tickets of the world tour and all productions of MJ the Musical will be sold out!!!!! After the world tour, all productions of MJ will adapt this updated formula!!!!! All future productions will have updated formulas!!!! The revamped formula of the former show will last at least 180 minutes!!!! MJ One will include songs from the biopic and new choreography and new pre-show and post-show music!!!!!! All companies will work with MJ's estate!!!! The Neverland Ranch will open to the public as a tourist attraction and an amusement park and I will like to go to this place!!!!!! Mattel will make a (male) Michael Jackson Barbie doll and (female) Barbie Michael Jackson doll at the same time. Both dolls will be part of Barbie Music Series and will be released simultaneously on the same day!!! MJ will be the first celebrity to immortalize as a Barbie in two different forms. The former will be made in his likeness and the latter will have a female Barbie dressed up as MJ. The former will wear outfits from different eras and the latter will be coming in white, black, Hispanic, Asian, mixed-race, and American Indian options!!!!!
 
If they are clearing of MJ's name, then new surprises are coming!!!!!! The biopic will have an extensive long-lasting campaign everything and everywhere!!!!! The biopic will show the truth of Michael Jackson!!!! MJ the Musical and MJ One will be revamped!!!!! The former will have a world tour in its revamped format, with actors who have played Michael Jackson from different stages of his life in every single production of MJ (Broadway/New York City, West End/London, U.S. Tour, Hamburg etc) coming together to represent every single production and each version of MJ will be portrayed by each actor from every single production around the world in the world tour!!!!! Other changes include new songs, the splitting of Middle Michael part into two separate versions of himself (one playing mid-70s Teenage Michael, the other one playing early-mid 80s Young Adult Michael); the increasing number of actors who have played the title characters at different eras of his life (from three to at least the total number of productions of MJ the Musical); the increasing number of Michael Jacksons at different stages of his life as well (from three to at least the total number of productions of MJ the Musical); the all-MJ group song by all Michael Jacksons at different eras singing together outside of MITM and finale; Michael Jacksons playing instruments (guitar, piano, bass guitar, drums, keyboards, percussion, all other instruments that Michael played in his lifetime, and instruments that Michael never played in his lifetime); all versions of MJ interacting with each other, new dialogue, brand new set, new characters, multiple MJs in dance-offs with dance icons!!!! In the revamped musical, all Michael Jacksons at different stages of his career will sing solos, duets, trios, quartets, and so on!!!!! The world tour will have a soundtrack, with all the songs from the tour!!!! All dates and tickets of the world tour and all productions of MJ the Musical will be sold out!!!!! After the world tour, all productions of MJ will adapt this updated formula!!!!! All future productions will have updated formulas!!!! The revamped formula of the former show will last at least 180 minutes!!!! MJ One will include songs from the biopic and new choreography and new pre-show and post-show music!!!!!! All companies will work with MJ's estate!!!! The Neverland Ranch will open to the public as a tourist attraction and an amusement park and I will like to go to this place!!!!!! Mattel will make a (male) Michael Jackson Barbie doll and (female) Barbie Michael Jackson doll at the same time. Both dolls will be part of Barbie Music Series and will be released simultaneously on the same day!!! MJ will be the first celebrity to immortalize as a Barbie in two different forms. The former will be made in his likeness and the latter will have a female Barbie dressed up as MJ. The former will wear outfits from different eras and the latter will be coming in white, black, Hispanic, Asian, mixed-race, and American Indian options!!!!!
What Demon takes you over and compels you to write all this?

 
One other thing I noticed on TikTok for example, is more and more young people dont believe all the lies on Michael and say that people did him dirty and tried to discredit him. I have seen a lot of pro-MJ vids from people talking about this and even lots of people responding to anti-MJ comments.

It could be my algorithm but its nice to see this messages seems to be spreading
I noticed the same thing on X (Twitter) when I was there. A lot more people were, or are, pro-MJ as opposed to the anti-MJ/pro LN crowd.
 
It’s the vocal minority, they are the loudest.
Every interaction I see on tv regarding his name show that the majority think he is guilty.

Imagine a talkshow with a few dozen people in attendance. The talkshow guest says something like
“I was 11 when I got a phonecall from MJ”
The host replies with with a funny look or joke after which the audience interrupts in shocked laughter.

Why do you think they laugh? I will tell you. It is because they all think he is guilty and they laugh because it is an uneasy subject and they don’t know how else to react.

That’s the reality….
 
It's been that way for years hasn't it, even before any allegations, the whole wacko jacko thing. And yet the very fact that people are going to see mj productions speaks volumes in my opinion I choose to ignore stupid talk shows and the like, it's just cheap shots and it will always be that way, remember 2023 he's the highest earning dxxd celebrity hate using that word, he's still very much alive
 
It's been that way for years hasn't it, even before any allegations, the whole wacko jacko thing. And yet the very fact that people are going to see mj productions speaks volumes in my opinion I choose to ignore stupid talk shows and the like, it's just cheap shots and it will always be that way, remember 2023 he's the highest earning dxxd celebrity hate using that word, he's still very much alive
I remember when it was 'just' the media talking about his appearance and 1993 it all changed :(
 
It’s the vocal minority, they are the loudest.
Every interaction I see on tv regarding his name show that the majority think he is guilty.

Imagine a talkshow with a few dozen people in attendance. The talkshow guest says something like
“I was 11 when I got a phonecall from MJ”
The host replies with with a funny look or joke after which the audience interrupts in shocked laughter.

Why do you think they laugh? I will tell you. It is because they all think he is guilty and they laugh because it is an uneasy subject and they don’t know how else to react.

That’s the reality….
I disagree but I can see how you might feel that way.

Reality or not. I personally don't care.
 
Just seen P Diddy or whatever he calls himself these days has just settled with his Ex literally one day after being accused of rape and a host of other nasty things from her.

What does that tell you? He's basically guilty in the eyes of the public now. The suggestions that the estate should settle is ludicrous!

They must win this civil case. I do have major fears though they Robson and Safechuck are getting closer and closer to a breakthrough and the courts will do anything to make MJ as an example and finally convict.
There is no "convict" in this situation. It's all about the companies only. MJ is not on trial.
If the estate wins every case, then they'll be cleared of MJ's name posthumously going back to 1993.
Not true. This case has nothing to do with the allegations, only if the companies were complicit.

Also the general public dont really care. If the companies lose, it wont change a thing. It will be appealed etc. It would be a shame to see them win a cent in damages, but publicly the damage will be minimal. That's my opinion of course.
 
There is no "convict" in this situation. It's all about the companies only. MJ is not on trial.

Not true. This case has nothing to do with the allegations, only if the companies were complicit.

Also the general public dont really care. If the companies lose, it wont change a thing. It will be appealed etc. It would be a shame to see them win a cent in damages, but publicly the damage will be minimal. That's my opinion of course.
Yes the companies but if they're held responsible, it's on Michael still, it just doesn't look good.
 
There is no "convict" in this situation. It's all about the companies only. MJ is not on trial.

Not true. This case has nothing to do with the allegations, only if the companies were complicit.

Also the general public dont really care. If the companies lose, it wont change a thing. It will be appealed etc. It would be a shame to see them win a cent in damages, but publicly the damage will be minimal. That's my opinion of course.
Let's see!!!!
 
There is no "convict" in this situation. It's all about the companies only. MJ is not on trial.

Not true. This case has nothing to do with the allegations, only if the companies were complicit.

Also the general public dont really care. If the companies lose, it wont change a thing. It will be appealed etc. It would be a shame to see them win a cent in damages, but publicly the damage will be minimal. That's my opinion of course.

Watch the media interpret it badly towards Michael if the estate somehow loses to get clicks and views. I can already see the headlines 'Jackson accusers win case against the estate'. The public is so easy influenced they will interpret it wrongly because they dont research anything.
 
Watch the media interpret it badly towards Michael if the estate somehow loses to get clicks and views. I can already see the headlines 'Jackson accusers win case against the estate'. The public is so easy influenced they will interpret it wrongly because they dont research anything.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't that the point in the whole thing?

Robson and Safechuck can't go after a dead man so they go after his estate for neglect and for allowing Michael to abuse them?

If so, that's basically saying Michael was guilty? and his company did nothing to protect the minors whilst they stayed in his care?
 
Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't that the point in the whole thing?

Robson and Safechuck can't go after a dead man so they go after his estate for neglect and for allowing Michael to abuse them?

If so, that's basically saying Michael was guilty? and his company did nothing to protect the minors whilst they stayed in his care?
Don't forget the parents
 
Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't that the point in the whole thing?

Robson and Safechuck can't go after a dead man so they go after his estate for neglect and for allowing Michael to abuse them?

If so, that's basically saying Michael was guilty? and his company did nothing to protect the minors whilst they stayed in his care?
Yes but most people dont know what the case is actually about. So when they see that headline, they make (wrong) conclusions and see it as Michael is guilty on child molestation, it will be how the people perceive it as most wont do further research.
 
Just seen P Diddy or whatever he calls himself these days has just settled with his Ex literally one day after being accused of rape and a host of other nasty things from her.

What does that tell you? He's basically guilty in the eyes of the public now. The suggestions that the estate should settle is ludicrous!

They must win this civil case. I do have major fears though they Robson and Safechuck are getting closer and closer to a breakthrough and the courts will do anything to make MJ as an example and finally convict.
Bro he was guilty the second those accusations came out. The legal paperwork literally had trigger warnings on it. Like, when has paperwork had trigger warnings.

The fact that he made that go away in literally TWENTY FOUR hours is hugely terrifying, straight up. MJ wanted the case, the settlement came way later. Any time the first thing they wanna do is cover it up, that's how you know they're acting funny.
 
Yes but most people dont know what the case is actually about. So when they see that headline, they make (wrong) conclusions and see it as Michael is guilty on child molestation, it will be how the people perceive it as most wont do further research.
I think everyone has made up their mind. Most MJ haters remain so, most defenders, the same on their side. If people are so easily swayed otherwise, well, that's a them problem.
 
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