Michael Jackson v. Wade Robson, a new trial to be held

If its true that now Dan fucking Wooton now thinks MJ is innocent, that means it really is high time for mainstream media to just cut the "MJ guilty" grift out, and that's exactly what it is. It's a grift. Once you do basic research into the '05 case itself, by every metric there are objectively more reasons to believe MJ's innocence rather than guilt.
 
If its true that now Dan fucking Wooton now thinks MJ is innocent, that means it really is high time for mainstream media to just cut the "MJ guilty" grift out, and that's exactly what it is. It's a grift. Once you do basic research into the '05 case itself, by every metric there are objectively more reasons to believe MJ's innocence rather than guilt.
Personally I don't think we should give one flying fck what that Wooton thinks of MJ.

He is an alleged abuser so I don't want brownie points because he's suddenly changed his tune and now thinks MJ is innocent.

None of us should be happy he's had a change of heart , I don't want MJ associated with him.
 
There's too much gloom and doom, it's been nothing but that this whole time. It's been quite frustrating, for a whole 3 months different people have taken turns having a public arc of doubt. Maybe that's allowed but it's definitely not motivating. Starts to wear on the nerves.
Perhaps that's called anxiety/confusion.Nothing wrong with any of those,if you ask me.
 
Perhaps that's called anxiety/confusion.Nothing wrong with any of those,if you ask me.
What did I say was wrong? That there's been nothing but doom and gloom, were not talking worry or uncertainty, were talking straight up cynicism. Of course I care about MJs reputation, but I'm already used to a more tepid/lukewarm appraisal of him, so I have learned not to wear his victories/failures on my sleeve anyway.


More than anything, I just prefer more conducive discussion about things. I'm not gonna spend time complaining about people complaining either.
 
with tom mesaerau in this i reckon we will win
It's not over after this unfortunately. This is just returning to the new status quo. Until they actively get Dan Reed's documentary entirely discredited, that smear piece remains.
 
It's not over after this unfortunately. This is just returning to the new status quo. Until they actively get Dan Reed's documentary entirely discredited, that smear piece remains.
I'm guessing that enough writers and commentators in the MSM must stand up and say something about the documentary that hasn't been said already. But either they're too lazy to do so, too convinced in the film to do anything or too scared to ask questions. I doubt anyone within the mainstream media-sphere would do that any time soon. I hope I'm wrong though.

IMHO, the documentary "Trial by Media" must be finished and distributed in a way it can't be ignored by the MSM. Same goes for Taj's documentary if it's still in the works.

Granted, neither will sway the opinions of all people who think MJ's guilty, especially after watching LN, but I think any counter-documentary is needed at this point just as "Chase the Truth", "Lies of LN" and "Square One" did, but bigger.
 
If this goes to trial and Wade loses, can he file for an appeal? I'm just wondering, because he's been trying to sue the estate for over a decade now, and it should be beyond pathetic that he's this relentless and obvious to anyone that he just wants big money, not justice of any kind.
 
I'm guessing that enough writers and commentators in the MSM must stand up and say something about the documentary that hasn't been said already. But either they're too lazy to do so, too convinced in the film to do anything or too scared to ask questions. I doubt anyone within the mainstream media-sphere would do that any time soon. I hope I'm wrong though.

IMHO, the documentary "Trial by Media" must be finished and distributed in a way it can't be ignored by the MSM. Same goes for Taj's documentary if it's still in the works.

Granted, neither will sway the opinions of all people who think MJ's guilty, especially after watching LN, but I think any counter-documentary is needed at this point just as "Chase the Truth", "Lies of LN" and "Square One" did, but bigger.
Maybe Dan Wooton will decide to go big on MJ. A two edged sword really.
 
Maybe Dan Wooton will decide to go big on MJ. A two edged sword really.
That wouldn't be a two-edged sword, that would be a disaster. The man is now embroiled in another scandal re comments being made, live, on-air, by Lawrence Fox and which DW laughed at, did not call out or condemn and which resulted in him being sacked from at least one of his media jobs. He was in deep sh*t already and now this.
 
Personally I don't think we should give one flying fck what that Wooton thinks of MJ.

He is an alleged abuser so I don't want brownie points because he's suddenly changed his tune and now thinks MJ is innocent.

None of us should be happy he's had a change of heart , I don't want MJ associated with him.
He's definitely doing this just to try and get some people on his side. I don't understand why some people seem to change their opinions on people or act like their opinions are valid/should be considered when they say something they like, disregarding all other facts and knowledge about said person. Very strange.
 
That wouldn't be a two-edged sword, that would be a disaster. The man is now embroiled in another scandal re comments being made, live, on-air, by Lawrence Fox and which DW laughed at, did not call out or condemn and which resulted in him being sacked from at least one of his media jobs. He was in deep sh*t already and now this.
Y'all keep him.
 
What did I say was wrong? That there's been nothing but doom and gloom, were not talking worry or uncertainty, were talking straight up cynicism. Of course I care about MJs reputation, but I'm already used to a more tepid/lukewarm appraisal of him, so I have learned not to wear his victories/failures on my sleeve anyway.


More than anything, I just prefer more conducive discussion about things. I'm not gonna spend time complaining about people complaining either.
You may raise a somewhat fair point,though.
were not talking worry or uncertainty, were talking straight up cynicism.
Nonetheless though,so what? What is really wrong with the concept of cynicism and the people that adopt it?
(Or,perhaps,you did not mean to say that there's anything wrong with it and I'm assuming things,once again? If that's the case,then I apologize. I just happen to be curious,tho.)
I'm already used to a more tepid/lukewarm appraisal of him, so I have learned not to wear his victories/failures on my sleeve anyway.
But people are not the same. Never have been and never will be.
Some people may force themselves to adopt different approaches that they have spotted in others,trying to get as close as possible to what they would consider as a "rational" worldview,while others will continue caring about everything to unhealthy extents,for the better or for the worse(depends on the situation and its context,I suppose).
This is the case of rather different perspectives more than anything else(at least by what I've seen by now,though I have to admit that I haven't read every single text message,coming from this thread),therefore I see that as purely interesting,more than anything else.
(I might be among the few ones that view the situation like this,but that's even better,to be honest 🤓).
 
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Nonetheless though,so what? What is really wrong with the concept of cynicism and the people that adopt it?
Nothing is wrong persay, but I just don't like it. It strikes me as elitist even though it's also not productive. It's the same as optimism really, just based off the way things are, not the way they're supposed to be.
 
Some people on the forum are outright trolls though, so the water is being muddied regardless. It exacerbates things.
You're indeed right(saying this as someone who could possibly be viewed as one as well,or as one that has at least been something of a troll once 🥲),but you're more than right here.
 
A trial accusing a deceased person is not possible. And making a dramatic documentary exposing himself and the other “accuser” and promoting it on the Oprah show like it’s a highly anticipated blockbuster… just silly. Of course, people come out after Michael had passed, because he’s not alive to defend himself. And his children will be affected with pain and shame.
 
So, anything new?
The latest is that the Estate filed the petition for the CA supreme courts review. The key issues in the petition are:

1. Do Corporations and their employees have a duty (fiduciary & negligence) to police/warn others about an employee suspected of misconduct unrelated to employment.

2. Can a plaintiff bypass statutory requirements for suing a decedent's estate based on a decedent alleged intentional wrongdoings, by suing the decedent's soley owned company on the theory that the company negligently failed to prevent the decedent from engaging in wrongdoings.
 
The latest is that the Estate filed the petition for the CA supreme courts review. The key issues in the petition are:

1. Do Corporations and their employees have a duty (fiduciary & negligence) to police/warn others about an employee suspected of misconduct unrelated to employment.

2. Can a plaintiff bypass statutory requirements for suing a decedent's estate based on a decedent alleged intentional wrongdoings, by suing the decedent's sole owned company on the theory that the company negligently failed to prevent the decedent from engaging in wrongdoings.
Oh yeah, I heard about this a couple of weeks back.

I also heard that it's very rare that supreme courts would accept petitions for review. Personally, I'm expecting them to turn the Estate down, especially with these issues during the #MeToo/#TimesUp atmosphere, but I'm hoping that they'll make an exception and make time for a review. Again, this is just all that I heard.
 
I'm guessing that enough writers and commentators in the MSM must stand up and say something about the documentary that hasn't been said already. But either they're too lazy to do so, too convinced in the film to do anything or too scared to ask questions. I doubt anyone within the mainstream media-sphere would do that any time soon. I hope I'm wrong though.

IMHO, the documentary "Trial by Media" must be finished and distributed in a way it can't be ignored by the MSM. Same goes for Taj's documentary if it's still in the works.

Granted, neither will sway the opinions of all people who think MJ's guilty, especially after watching LN, but I think any counter-documentary is needed at this point just as "Chase the Truth", "Lies of LN" and "Square One" did, but bigger.
Come to think of it, at least one writer from the media did have questions about LN and how the media handled it. Stereo Williams wrote about it in Medium around the time LN was being distributed. You can read it here: https://medium.com/@stereowilliams/correct-me-if-im-wrong-6336108a25db
 
Just read that it says corey feldman belives mj is a molestor..is that true??
 
Excuse me, folks. Just need to bring a few bits together. It helps me try to get stuff straight in my head.

I also heard that it's very rare that supreme courts would accept petitions for review. [...]
I only know about that from this 2nd hand account of a TMZ report. I assume it's correct. 🤷‍♀️
@andjustice4some posted this back in June 2023:

"TMZ report explained: [...] If the final ruling is the same as the tentative, more than likely the Estate will appeal to the Supreme Court. SC only hears 5% of the cases submitted, so it's a long shot.

27 Sept 2023 @Lightbringer posted this:
"APPEALS UPDATE: Estate files CA Supreme Court petition for review.The estate has just filed a 42-page petition seeking review from the California supreme court.In it, they hope to be heard to address the two central issues of the appelate's reversal."
 
Just read that it says corey feldman belives mj is a molestor..is that true??
i thought he was pro - michael ?
I saw a video segment where Corey says that people came to him and his mother asking for negative information about Michael. And Corey says that Michael didn't do anything wrong. But there are others who did harass him and he can name names. But those people were only interested in blaming Michael, and they don't want other guilty people.
Correct me if I'm confusing things.
 
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