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Btw, I was just in the LMP thread and read some pieces someone quoted from the "Michael Jackson Tapes" (I feel a little guilty... but I will still never read that book!) and it was interesting reading what Michael said about marriage in how he can't be with just one person like that. I mean we had talked about this earlier here...feeling like Michael wasn't ever meant for marriage...meant to belong to just one woman...and there he said it himself! He also said he didn't feel he needed the romantic love...so long as he was giving and helping children - that's all he needed and really wanted. I always get sad thinking about how he never experienced a lasting relationship with a woman so that made me feel a little better reading that. Aww Michael...so pure.
 
amygrace said:
^mjbunny - that circle explanation confused me a little. :lol: Thought I'd throw in another example on time. Again quoting from that book:

So pretty much time is like the landscape on a road your traveling. The tree ahead of you 10 miles already exists, but you don't know it until you arrive at that point. I like that analogy. Considering everything is energy, it's like everything that will ever happen, is just energy hovering above us. What we think is the "future" is really just us pulling that energy down.
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Ok, now I have read that part already. And it makes my mind go all batty :lol:

The circle thing again. The outer line of the circle is the physical plane. The middle is the all-seeing God position. If you're a little being living on that line on the outer edge of the circle, all you're aware of is that you're living on a line, the time line... time flows in a linear fashion for you. You can't see the bigger picture because you're stuck on the stupid line. From your vantage point all you can see is a short distance into the future, so you can't see the oneness of it all (like having your head inside the car versus seeing the whole landscape in the book). However, if you could lift yourself off that line by a short bit and move closer to the center of the circle you'd then see that what you believed was just a straight line is actually curving. And you could see much farther into the "future" (like you can see much farther distances from an airplane than you can from the ground). I'm trying. Make any more sense? It's just an analogy. So if your normal consciousness is stuck on the line in linear time, if you could move closer to God consiousness (into the oneness and away from the edge/the line), you'd gain a much broader perspective of time.
 
mjbunny said:
Oh yeah. Hell yeah, that's the question. That's the kind of stuff that attacks me and drives me nuts from time to time :lol: I have a book called "There Are No Accidents" (can't find it right now -- it's true stories about "coincidences".) and there's one in there about a woman who had horrible dreams about her young son being struck by a car and dying. I think she knew the date and everything. She was so freaked out that she decided to get the hell out of town and away from all the city traffic. She drove to her mother's house in another town. Right after they arrived her son was sitting in the front yard as she went into the house with suitcases. At that moment a driver lost control of their car on this fairly quiet street and came barreling into the yard, hitting and killing the child. Now that's some effed up crazy stuff. Ok, I guess that got a bit offtrack from what we were talking about, but not really. It's about if we make choices just out of the blue or if those choices could be planned or predicted.
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Yeah it's all enough to drive ya crazy. Yikes about that story! Makes me think of the quote "One often meets his destiny on the path to avoid it".

Sorry to give out book spoilers btw...:ninja: I'll keep my mouth shut about that book now. :shutup:
 
amygrace said:
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I mean it just makes you think...what is really behind your thoughts? Generally, thoughts and decisions only happen based on past events. So, while we may decide to use our "free will" to do something different or go this way or that - we probably made that decision based on what we've experienced in life in some way - (ie: "i'm so fed up with things going this way I'm doing something new!" or "based on what happened this last time I'm going to do this instead") and well, we probably only experienced those things because they were "meant to be" or part of our soul plan, so ultimately - most of what we experience was already predetermined. It's your simple cause and effect theory.

Some things to think about. Sorry if I broke yours or anyone elses brain. :lol:
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Lol, makes perrrrfectly sense to me! No cracking brains here.

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If that's true, then if you can be in that real now over there then you should know what I'm going to do in 20 years because 2030 is happening right NOW :lol: So although I might truly have free will about what I'll do in 2030, someone on the other side who sees the bigger picture would already know what I "did". So they could tell me, "On April 14, 2030 you'll go to your old-folks' belly dancing class in Paris and then fly in this way cool super-fast airplane that hasn't been invented yet back home for dinner at Taco Bell (which will finally exist in Germany outside military bases by then)."
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Kinda freaks me out to think that Michael ('someone on the other side who sees the bigger picture') told me specifically in one of my meditations that I'd die in 2034....at the time I was thinking 'ah well'...and tried to forget it, but it seems to keep on popping up in my mind. Crazy stuff. Try to not look into it too much though. But anyhow - interesting information you had there!

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OMG!!!! :wild: Jermaine????!!!!! (Ok, I'm bad, just kidding :hysterical:)
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LMAO! :lmao: My thoughts.

Mundy said:
MrsMusic I forgot to reply to you earlier about the dream you had. I asked my bf about it again to make sure he wasn't messing with me and he wasn't. He was gone by 5am and he said he didn't say thanks at all so it wasn't a message coming in late (even though the right time usually comes in with late messages). I'm just gonna take it as a thanks from someone.
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So strange! I wonder if it might have been a message from an earlier conversation? But that would be kinda not possible either. Really random that I dreamed about it though, obviously got no clue why! :lol:

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Mrs Music - Oh, I forgot in my last post... I was going to say about my dream... no, I didn't know the guy at all. I had a DREAM some days ago that some German fan (no clue who, just some guy) had a dream in which someone asked or told him about MJ and Krishna. So I dreamed about hearing of a dream by someone I've never met and who may or may not exist. Then the dream I had this morning featured this same guy again, telling me about how he met Michael back in the 90's. I don't know how I knew it was the same guy who I dreamed of before. Just knew it somehow.
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Ah okay I get it now, sorry...read it too fast I guess hehe! Still pretty cool though! Wonder what it meant, hmmm.


I'm gonna head to bed now, geez....can't even make normal sentences anymore not even to start with some proper, usefull posts. :doh: :lol:
Forgive my blabbing the past 2/3 days, need some energy refill I think!

Later galssss! Take care! :flowers:
 
mjbunny said:
The circle thing again. The outer line of the circle is the physical plane. The middle is the all-seeing God position. If you're a little being living on that line on the outer edge of the circle, all you're aware of is that you're living on a line, the time line... time flows in a linear fashion for you. You can't see the bigger picture because you're stuck on the stupid line. From your vantage point all you can see is a short distance into the future, so you can't see the oneness of it all (like having your head inside the car versus seeing the whole landscape in the book). However, if you could lift yourself off that line by a short bit and move closer to the center of the circle you'd then see that what you believed was just a straight line is actually curving. And you could see much farther into the "future" (like you can see much farther distances from an airplane than you can from the ground).
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Ok...I get it now. Just wasn't one of those "analogies for dummies"...:lol: I had to actually take a minute to focus on the concept.
 
amygrace said:
Btw, I was just in the LMP thread and read some pieces someone quoted from the "Michael Jackson Tapes" (I feel a little guilty... but I will still never read that book!) and it was interesting reading what Michael said about marriage in how he can't be with just one person like that. I mean we had talked about this earlier here...feeling like Michael wasn't ever meant for marriage...meant to belong to just one woman...and there he said it himself! He also said he didn't feel he needed the romantic love...so long as he was giving and helping children - that's all he needed and really wanted. I always get sad thinking about how he never experienced a lasting relationship with a woman so that made me feel a little better reading that. Aww Michael...so pure.
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Not even the "fan edition" of it? I actually want to read it again. Part of me feels a little bad, because no matter what Shmuckley says, I believe those were private conversations meant to spur on ideas for the book that never happened about childlike qualities. I have to say that some things he said regarding women were a little... :mello: oh Michael, we're not all like that, I swear. So I remember reading it and feeling a bit weird from time to time, but we all have our own perceptions and experiences (and many of his would certainly be different than mine). I read the "fan edition" once through entirely and the part about religion twice (always wanted to talk with Michael about stuff like that :cry:). However, BOTH times I read that chapter something weird happened! The first time I voiced some opinion about the JW's outloud and out of the near-blue sky a lightning bolt just CRASHED like a foot off our balcony :bugeyed I was like... ooops, what did I say? I love lightning, actually, so was that a laugh or a warning??? :cheeky: The second time was in November and it was about 2 to 3am and suddenly... BUZZZZZZZZ... this gigantic BEE appeared out of thin air buzzing and ramming itself into the lamp here in the living room. In NOVEMBER. And I'm totally afraid of bees (seriously, yikes) and so I had to stop reading and cordon off the living room :lol:

amygrace said:
Yeah it's all enough to drive ya crazy. Yikes about that story! Makes me think of the quote "One often meets his destiny on the path to avoid it".

Sorry to give out book spoilers btw...:ninja: I'll keep my mouth shut about that book now. :shutup:
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That quote ... yeah, that's for sure. And about the book: :lol: I'm reading like 4 books at the same time (well, not literally at the same time :lmao:), so it's going slowly. It's weird, though. Much of it I've read in slightly different terms before, but it kind of throws a wrench in near death experiences and the hypnosis sessions of Michael Newton (Journey of Souls, etc) in a way. I'm kind of freaked out thinking that you die and no one comes to you, nothing happens, you're left wandering around thinking, "this is familiar" and then you keep indulging yourself on ice cream, rare MJ footage and self-pity for how long... two weeks, 200 years... until you wear it out and then move on? Or maybe I'm just not far enough through the book yet to get the whole story. I'm like... what about that white light, being met by friends and religious figures kind of thing? :scratch:

Mrs. Music said:
Kinda freaks me out to think that Michael ('someone on the other side who sees the bigger picture') told me specifically in one of my meditations that I'd die in 2034....at the time I was thinking 'ah well'...and tried to forget it, but it seems to keep on popping up in my mind. Crazy stuff. Try to not look into it too much though. But anyhow - interesting information you had there!
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I remember that. Wow, don't know what to make of it or why you were told that or made it up. But now you keep thinking about it, so how will that affect things? Or will it at all? ...
 
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mjbunny said:
Not even the "fan edition" of it? .........
I read that whole "fan edition" one through once and the part about religion twice. However, BOTH times I read that chapter something weird happened! The first time I voice some opinion about the JW's outloud and out of the near-blue sky a lightning bolt just CRASHED like a foot off our balcony :bugeyed Scared the crap out of me, lolol. I was like... ooops, what did I say? I love lightning, actually, so was that a laugh or a warning??? :cheeky: The second time was in November and it was about 2 to 3am and suddenly... BUZZZZZZZZ... this gigantic effing BEE appeared out of thin air buzzing and ramming itself into the lamp here in the living room. I'm totally afraid of bees (seriously, yikes) and so I had to stop reading and cordon off the living room :lol:
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I didn't know there was a "fan edition"... what difference is there? Did they just take out some parts that seemed offensive or...? I definitely want to read it...there's no denying my nosy self would love to dive into the private thoughts of Michael...:lol: but, I still don't think I will. Despite my nosiness I want to be respectful to Michael more. Not that I'm saying any of you who read it were being disrespectful... just that I have my own personal feeling on it that says no Amy, you shouldn't read that. And...just reading about your little "experiences" while reading it...lol...those coulda very well been "please don't read this" signs.



mjbunny said:
Much of it I've read in slightly different terms before, but it kind of throws a wrench in near death experiences and the hypnosis sessions of Michael Newton (Journey of Souls, etc) in a way. I'm kind of freaked out thinking that you die and no one comes to you, nothing happens, you're left wandering around thinking, "this is familiar" and then you keep indulging yourself on ice cream, rare MJ footage and self-pity for how long... two weeks, 200 years... until you wear it out and then move on? Or maybe I'm just not far enough through the book yet to get the whole story. I'm like... what about that white light, being met by friends and religious figures kind of thing? :scratch:
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I kind of love it when that happens...when something I read throws a wrench in other concepts I've previously read about and believed in. I mean it gets you thinking...opens your mind. The book for me didn't leave me thinking that you just wander around trying to figure things out without any loved ones or angels help though. To me it just used a lot of it's focus on what really goes on personally and internally (er I guess you could say externally...as all the internal becomes external. in any case, what was internal is now what you are left to deal with). I think that every death is different for everyone - depending on how they lived and what their beliefs are... so while some may be immediately met by their loved ones, others may have to go through their own personal crap first. Also I think, that what took however many hundred pages for the author of that book to write...about all the stuff we can experience... a soul could experience it all within 5 minutes of our earthly time. Ya never know. Again touching on the time thing... it's all different.
 
amygrace said:
I didn't know there was a "fan edition"... what difference is there? Did they just take out some parts that seemed offensive or...? I definitely want to read it...there's no denying my nosy self would love to dive into the private thoughts of Michael...:lol: but, I still don't think I will. Despite my nosiness I want to be respectful to Michael more. Not that I'm saying any of you who read it were being disrespectful... just that I have my own personal feeling on it that says no Amy, you shouldn't read that. And...just reading about your little "experiences" while reading it...lol...those coulda very well been "please don't read this" signs.
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Yeah, there's a version floating around with all Shmuley's bitchy comments blocked out, lol. (here) The weird part was that the freaky stuff only happened while reading the 'religion' portion of the book. Hmmm... (I know what you mean. I never did listen to that whole phone call from the early 90's. Felt too weird. It's a tough thing. I mean, think of personal letters that are published and totally normal to read now because they were sent from, say, George Washington. It must be a bizarre thing to consider, especially for someone who read a lot of history, that things will surface for years... things you once wrote, private conversations, answering machine messages... because you yourself are an historic figure. So I guess we'll always be torn by our great desire to know him more and our desire to not invade his privacy. Oh Michael :()

I kind of love it when that happens...when something I read throws a wrench in other concepts I've previously read about and believed in. I mean it gets you thinking...opens your mind. The book for me didn't leave me thinking that you just wander around trying to figure things out without any loved ones or angels help though. To me it just used a lot of it's focus on what really goes on personally and internally (er I guess you could say externally...as all the internal becomes external. in any case, what was internal is now what you are left to deal with). I think that every death is different for everyone - depending on how they lived and what their beliefs are... so while some may be immediately met by their loved ones, others may have to go through their own personal crap first. Also I think, that what took however many hundred pages for the author of that book to write...about all the stuff we can experience... a soul could experience it all within 5 minutes of our earthly time. Ya never know. Again touching on the time thing... it's all different.
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I'm not really sure what to think of it all at this point, lol. I once had this awful dream, one of the most absolutely REAL dreams ever... omg. It was around 2000 and I dreamed I was stung by a bee and died. I 'woke up' some time later after a funeral and I was like... wtf... why am I still here??? And no one came. I didn't see anything strange. I felt no other realms. It was like life kept going and I was still there, but no one could see me. I had a visit from someone who's actually dead (an old coworker who died in '98) and he told me that everyone's just still around and no one knows anything about "God" or "the other side"... but it's cool, you can go anywhere at any time of day or night, travel the world, etc. Yeeeahhh. But I was all upset. What about guides???? What about ... everything??? And this dream was SOOOO real, I'll tell you. I discovered I could make my more psychic friends sort of notice me if I ran around them in circles really fast. I loved running because I didn't get out of breath, lol! And I realized when I was all upset and "crying" that I could nevertheless see perfectly ... no tears, no stuffy nose. I was downstairs at my mom's house with all my books on spirituality and I begged and begged for someone to come to me, for the Light, for guides... but nothing. I decided I must let my friends and family know I'm stuck here, but how? I found I could be heard by my sister when she was busy painting and her mind was blank. I'd talk to her and she'd respond in a daze ("I'm still here! Please look into the purple book downstairs! Ok? Can you hear me???"), but the second she'd return to normal consciousness it's like she hadn't heard at all. I was so upset, so lost. I felt to hopeless and deceived. The creepy thing is, I had been asking that week to understand more deeply how people become ghosts. So if that was my answer, it was more disconcerting than comforting, lol.
 
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Yeah, there's a version floating around with all Shmuley's bitchy comments blocked out, lol. (here)The weird part was that the freaky stuff only happened while reading the 'religion' portion of the book. Hmmm... (I know what you mean. I never did listen to that whole phone call from the early 90's. Felt too weird. It's a tough thing. I mean, think of personal letters that are published and totally normal to read now because they were sent from, say, George Washington. It must be a bizarre thing to consider, especially for someone who read a lot of history, that things will surface for years... things you once wrote, private conversations, answering machine messages... because you yourself are an historic figure. So I guess we'll always be torn by our great desire to know him more and our desire to not invade his privacy. Oh Michael :()
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Yeah interesting it happened while you were reading the religious stuff. You know...I really wonder about privacy in general. Like I was just thinking about time travel...how when we die we could look in the Akashic records in any person's life at any given time. We could even jump in a shower with someone who is still living if we wanted to. :lol: So it's like...privacy doesn't really exist. It's just an earthly concept. Totally not trying to justify prying into Michael's private life here...just got me thinking about privacy in general. But on that note, would Michael...or anyone, care about their "privacy" being invaded now...after they've passed? Maybe the only time they would care about that is if someone was taking the private things they learned and make false judgments about them based on it... or spread it to others so that they would make those same judgments. Or...? Maybe they just don't care anymore. I don't know. I just had a brain fart.
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I'm not really sure what to think of it all at this point, lol. I once had this awful dream, one of the most absolutely REAL dreams ever... omg. It was around 2000 and I dreamed I was stung by a bee and died. I 'woke up' some time later after a funeral and I was like... wtf... why am I still here??? And no one came. I didn't see anything strange. I felt no other realms. It was like life kept going and I was still there, but no one could see me. I had a visit from someone who's actually dead (an old coworker who died in '98) and he told me that everyone's just still around and no one knows anything about "God" or "the other side"... but it's cool, you can go anywhere at any time of day or night, travel the world, etc. Yeeeahhh. But I was all upset. What about guides???? What about ... everything??? And this dream was SOOOO real, I'll tell you. I discovered I could make my more psychic friends sort of notice me if I ran around them in circles really fast. I loved running because I didn't get out of breath, lol! And I realized when I was all upset and "crying" that I could nevertheless see perfectly ... no tears, no stuffy nose. I was downstairs at my mom's house with all my books on spirituality and I begged and begged for someone to come to me, for the Light, for guides... but nothing. I decided I must let my friends and family know I'm stuck here, but how? I found I could be heard by my sister when she was busy painting and her mind was blank. I'd talk to her and she'd respond in a daze ("I'm still here! Please look into the purple book downstairs! Ok? Can you hear me???"), but the second she'd return to normal consciousness it's like she hadn't heard at all. I was so upset, so lost. I felt to hopeless and deceived. The creepy thing is, I had been asking that week to understand more deeply how people become ghosts. So if that was my answer, it was more disconcerting than comforting, lol.
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Wow...and you had this dream after you asked to understand more deeply about ghosts? How crazy. It kinda makes me think of the 6th Sense. I wouldn't be surprised if this happens for some people... but obviously it doesn't happen for all. So the question is - if this is a way that some people experience death - how does it happen? Like...is it only when you are attached so much to this life by either addiction or beliefs...like maybe you are an atheist...or the death happened suddenly or you just don't want to accept or believe it or...what?
 
amygrace said:
Hah...interesting article. Well, Michael was a big part in ushering in the "new world" I think... and the "Prince of Peace" is a title that would certainly fit him. :cheeky:
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I immediately think of Haendel's "Messiah"! And trough IPodomancy the "Prince of Peace" and especially "He was despised" show up a lot on my MP3 player.

Hmm...well, that would make sense in Michael's case...to be able to see/feel all the effects that he has made on people even after his passing. Because that's all part of how his personal life choices have affected others. He's one of the few people who will continue to inspire and uplift people for years and years. I'm sure he has already felt all that impact...because whether some people have yet to experience it, it's all energy just waiting for them to pull down into their life. As far as actually seeing/knowing about specific events in relation to that...I would think that some things he would see only if he wanted to look. Like, using your example, I would think that if Neeve was "destined" to make some amazing tribute in the future, Michael would probably only see that if he were visiting her...because it would probably be in her "soul makeup"...or "thought geographies" as termed in the "Beginner's Guide for the Recently Deceased" book. That was an interesting part the book went into actually...because it touched on free will. As Modulation Alert brought up, that's something to think about. Here's what the book said:

So ultimately, it's the basic "law of attraction" concept, right? But, what if what we think is free will, actually isn't? What if using our thoughts or actions to "change the course" - was expected? That would make sense for Michael or anyone on the other side able to see most of our future - because in essence, it's already happened...even though we think that we can change it...because really, our thinking of making the change was expected based on how our life would go. One event lead to another which was sure to lead to this thought that would lead to that. etc.

Example: Say I'm in a crappy relationship. Everyone around me thinks I should break up with the guy and even my psychic tells me he's no good for me and that there's someone else out there that I'm meant to be with. After I've about had enough, I plan on breaking up with him. But then someone lends me the book The Secret and I realize that I can make the situation better with my thoughts. So, using free will, I turn around my attitude, decide to stay, and whad'ya know...our relationship improves and we end up getting married.

So ok...maybe not a great example...lol...I suck at these things, but the point is, did I use free will? I mean I could have gone on and found that better guy out there, right? Or, was it all expected? Did I know, before coming down here, that I would get so fed up with this guy and all signs would point to us being wrong for each other but for karma's sake it was important we stay together - so I planned on having a friend lend me that book just at the right time that would change my thinking?

I mean it just makes you think...what is really behind your thoughts? Generally, thoughts and decisions only happen based on past events. So, while we may decide to use our "free will" to do something different or go this way or that - we probably made that decision based on what we've experienced in life in some way - (ie: "i'm so fed up with things going this way I'm doing something new!" or "based on what happened this last time I'm going to do this instead") and well, we probably only experienced those things because they were "meant to be" or part of our soul plan, so ultimately - most of what we experience was already predetermined. It's your simple cause and effect theory.

Some things to think about. Sorry if I broke yours or anyone elses brain. :lol:
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Hm, maybe MJ will mostly sense the potential in someone...Because I honestly think that he wants US to use our life according to our potential. He still had 30 years to live as an artist- that was cut short. So I imagine that he'd want us to live out our potential while we can.

Also, add some duality to that free will. No light will be without a shadow, every shadow has light. Most of us will go through some shadow, otherwise the light wouldn't be there, the good stuff. And to learn we'll just have to experience both throughout our lives down here, otherwise why come down here, why incarnate even.
 
^ (to amygrace) Totally. I spent my youth terrified of ghosts. We lived in some amazingly creepy places that were haunted and that didn't help. I had a ghost literally hold me down on the bed by my right shoulder when I was 3 while I was screaming and screaming for my mom. That house SUCKED. And so of course I was scared. But when I got older I started wondering... how does one become a ghost??? I mean, if that happens to some people, could it happen to me or those I love? Yeah, that darned dream... have you ever realized things in dreams and that realization makes it seem just all the more real? Like I noticed that I wasn't afraid to be alone a dark room and that all the little weird tricks of the eye and brain were gone, so I felt somehow more aware, like I knew I was alone in the house and no invisible someone was in the room with me, lol. Weird stuff like that. Or like when my old coworker told me that you could wander around in the bad part of town at night if you wanted... not like you're in any danger now. Just random things that made it seem more real. Still creeps me out, lolol.

The privacy question... I was thinking those same things while you were writing them. It's true - would I give a poop if someone read my journal from 8th grade now? Kinda. It would be embarassing, yikes. Would I care if I was no longer here? Would I really be concerned if someone thought my thoughts when I was 14 were stupid? Would I care if they knew about some sex fantasy I had when I was 25? :lol: I really don't know. I mean, I want to say no. I feel like from a greater perspective it would all be such stupid, trivial stuff. On the other side everyone could know these things anyway and in the long run they're just... silly things about physical life. Or so I think. Wow, I don't know. I remember that terrible night reading the coroner's report :)cry:) and I stopped halfway and was sooo upset and sick and I felt so guilty, but at the same time I was thinking of some stupid moments in life where I paid far too much attention to the media's take on things and how dumb I'd been in those moments of... well, stupidity. I'm not playing that ish. I want to know for myself what documents say, not what someone else says they say. So I sat here crying and I said to Michael, "I'm so sorry, but I have to know the truth for myself. Oh please forgive me. I'm sorry, but I have to read it for myself" and right then my golden butterfly fell off the shelf and onto the back of the TV. Maybe it was coincidence, but I felt like I'd been acknowleged and that it was ok. :boohoo:
 
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But that's the thing, see. We're told all the time about how time is an illusion, that everything is actually happening NOW. If that's true, then if you can be in that real now over there then you should know what I'm going to do in 20 years because 2030 is happening right NOW :lol: So although I might truly have free will about what I'll do in 2030, someone on the other side who sees the bigger picture would already know what I "did". So they could tell me, "On April 14, 2030 you'll go to your old-folks' belly dancing class in Paris and then fly in this way cool super-fast airplane that hasn't been invented yet back home for dinner at Taco Bell (which will finally exist in Germany outside military bases by then)." To me, however, being told this information would make it sound like I'm living out some fated existence, but the reality was that I chose these things ... or rather, will choose these things in my physical future. ("Oh no, I've gone cross-eyed" - Austin Powers :doh: :lol:)

Some years ago I thought of a lame 2-dimensional way to attempt to explain precognitive dreams and stuff like this :lol: It goes like this:
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Consider this circle. The line along the outer edge has no beginning or ending. And it's not straight, but curves in the O shape. All existence IS this circle. It's all one, we're all one, this one big circle. In the center is God/Home. You can see all vantage points from here... all of time, all the space between the center and the line. As you get further from this center/home, you get to the circle's edge and that line, which would be the physical plane. If you zoom in and in and in and actually put your tiny little self ON that line, you won't even see that you're in/on the circle. You won't get it at all. You won't even see that it curves, just like how the Earth basically appears to be flat to you. On the line you'd just see directly ahead of you and directly behind you in a straight line. What's up around the curve wouldn't be part of your awareness. However, if you could lift off that line even just a bit you would gain a vantage point above it and could see farther ahead. If we leave our bodies when we dream, perhaps we're metaphorically above that line in the next dimension up (or inward toward the center) and can get those "glimpses and flashes". Time only exists in linear form when you're on the line, perceiving it as nothing but linear. Well, anyway, just remembered that and thought I'd share :lol:
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So, whatcha gonna do AFTER the end of time?? :D:D

And yeah, we're basically talking about the physical plane right now from a human standpoint. We've got at least 6 more planes or so...is time the same on the astral plane, the same on the mental plane? What is time on the buddhic plane? Still a concept?

But, here's the thing, some folks can raise their consciousness momentarily awake- for more glimpses and flashes right here and right now.
We've been talking about MJ coming through in our dreams- that's exactly were he'd be- and us at night, the astral plane. Has not much to do with our physical body though. Just using your astral body.
So, some folks obviously lift themselves off the line, they raised their consciousness. But are they then just on another circle, just one up, like an orbit? Or how about we make it a spiral, a coil? That way you can go up and up and up and up.
 
mjbunny said:
... remember that terrible night reading the coroner's report :)cry:) and I stopped halfway and was sooo upset and sick and I felt so guilty, but at the same time I was thinking of some stupid moments in life where I paid far too much attention to the media's take on things and how dumb I'd been in those moments of... well, stupidity. I'm not playing that ish. I want to know for myself what documents say, not what someone else says they say. So I sat here crying and I said to Michael, "I'm so sorry, but I have to know the truth for myself. Oh please forgive me. I'm sorry, but I have to read it for myself" and right then my golden butterfly fell off the shelf and onto the back of the TV. Maybe it was coincidence, but I felt like I'd been acknowleged and that it was ok. :boohoo:
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I felt similarly although I was able to read it very mechanically and detached. I think that comes from my job that had to do with the medical field. It's not comfortable to read but just like you I wanted to read, because I KNEW the media would just try to it's spin on it. Better read it. They still push the "painkiller" crap for example.
So I just asked, is it okay. All I got was "if YOU think you can handle it then that's fine by me."

I think he knows who reads it and WHY. I haven't read Schmuley's "book" for example, I might in the future.
 
Guys, reading this thread has cheered me up....I love the conversations here!

That free will/destiny thing has always baffled me...but the part Amy highlighted from the book really helped me, it makes sense. I don't know if the future is happening now, but I guess it makes sense that if one had a higher perspective, then they could see what we would tend to do in the future... but yeah, does that then mean that it's already decided how we would act? Or maybe it's just that we've already created the landscape...

mjbunny said:
If Neeve makes some amazing MJ tribute site in 2017, does Michael know about that "already"? :doh: Ouch, my brain.
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hehehe :hysterical: love it. You've now put the thought in my head so I'm going to start working on it LOL

I remember once I asked Barbara Kaufmann for reading recommendations, and she gave me a few, but she also said, "ask your future self to send a book back to you"....I was like...that makes no sense, but then it kind of does....haha.

btw MrsMusic, I'm sorry things aren't going smoothly for you. I know how frustrating that is. Is there a problem with the application or are you just waiting to hear back from them? Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.

I think I might watch TII tonight....it's been a while and I think it'll help me to re-connect...beautiful and painful all at the same time.
xxx
 
mjbunny said:
^ (to amygrace) Totally. I spent my youth terrified of ghosts. We lived in some amazingly creepy places that were haunted and that didn't help. I had a ghost literally hold me down on the bed by my right shoulder when I was 3 while I was screaming and screaming for my mom. That house SUCKED. And so of course I was scared. But when I got older I started wondering... how does one become a ghost??? I mean, if that happens to some people, could it happen to me or those I love?
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When you were only 3? Dang what's up with them picking on a 3 year old?! How scary for you. Makes me think of "Practical Magic" ...I watched that last night. When Nicole Kidman gets possessed by that dude...*shudders* I always thought that spirits decide to stay earthbound because of either their anger, sadness, or addictions. It's a scary thought to think that some people just might be "missing" something though when they pass...like they miss the light...don't see other people... I mean really, what the heck happens?

mjbunny said:
have you ever realized things in dreams and that realization makes it seem just all the more real? Like I noticed that I wasn't afraid to be alone a dark room and that all the little weird tricks of the eye and brain were gone, so I felt somehow more aware, like I knew I was alone in the house and no invisible someone was in the room with me, lol. Weird stuff like that. Or like when my old coworker told me that you could wander around in the bad part of town at night if you wanted... not like you're in any danger now. Just random things that made it seem more real.
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Oh yeah definitely. When I have those kind of realizations in dreams I always feel like the dream was serving a purpose...like it really means something. So...I am furthermore creeped out by your dream. lol. :mello:


mjbunny said:
The privacy question... I was thinking those same things while you were writing them. It's true - would I give a poop if someone read my journal from 8th grade now? Kinda. It would be embarassing, yikes. Would I care if I was no longer here? Would I really be concerned if someone thought my thoughts when I was 14 were stupid? Would I care if they knew about some sex fantasy I had when I was 25? :lol: I really don't know. I mean, I want to say no. I feel like from a greater perspective it would all be such stupid, trivial stuff. On the other side everyone could know these things anyway and in the long run they're just... silly things about physical life.
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Yeah exactly! The more I think about it I think Michael probably doesn't care about any of that stuff anymore. I think that if he does care about information being put out it is only because a.)it's deceiving and taking advantage of people who care about him or b.)he doesn't want his children to see it.


mjbunny said:
I want to know for myself what documents say, not what someone else says they say. So I sat here crying and I said to Michael, "I'm so sorry, but I have to know the truth for myself. Oh please forgive me. I'm sorry, but I have to read it for myself" and right then my golden butterfly fell off the shelf and onto the back of the TV. Maybe it was coincidence, but I felt like I'd been acknowleged and that it was ok. :boohoo:
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Same here...that's why I read it too, and yet still felt guilty afterward. But now I really feel like he understands the situation and doesn't mind anyone looking...so long as they can handle it, as Mod. Alert said. Sweet about the butterfly falling off the shelf...I'm sure it was a sign indeed. Aw.

Modulation Alert said:
I think he knows who reads it and WHY. I haven't read Schmuley's "book" for example, I might in the future.
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I think so too. With Schmuley's book though the only reason I would read it would be out of pure nosiness. LOL. It's not like the book has anything I need to know. Maybe it's just my own hangup... but I'd probably feel bad for weeks thinking that Michael was looking down at me going :nono: ...:lol:


Neeve said:
I remember once I asked Barbara Kaufmann for reading recommendations, and she gave me a few, but she also said, "ask your future self to send a book back to you"....I was like...that makes no sense, but then it kind of does....haha.
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Haha that's good advice!
 
Asedora said:
Hi girls!
I was just reading this thread without posting anything because I feel sick for the last few days. I just wanted to say hello and check if everybody is doing Ok. :flowers:
I have nothing to add except the destiny thing. I am sure it does exist and it had been shown to me that I have no control of some important events happening in my life which I consider to be a part of my purpose. Like everything was meant to be that way. I do not know, maybe I am wrong and I can apply it to my life only. It is complicated subject to discuss though because there is a very thinly connection between life and after life. Sometimes I just take all books I read about after life as somebody’s assumptions and try to focus and to analyze my own life looking into facts. As I said it is been proven so far that I have no control of my purpose but still looks like I had a free will in my past which can change my life in many ways but never will change my purpose. It is like moving inside a circle. I can choose so many ways inside it but I cannot cross the border. So I do not know if it does make sense to you guys.
Take care everybody.
Mjbunny you had another weird dream about JW’s article. Archangel Michael? Hmmmm… Maybe… . I wander what finally will prevail I mean what ppl will believe in 10 or 25 years from now? :scratch:
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Aww im sad 2 hear that u have been sick, hope u feel better soon :hug:
 
^ I'm sorry to hear you haven't been well, Asedora. Hope you feel better soon :huggy:

I agree with how you are feeling. I feel so drained today. I feel like I could burst into tears at any moment, but I have none left.
I got some bad news last night; so I was crying and feeling :cry: about that. It just bought back how I felt June 25th. The pain.. wondering why this is happening etc.

I miss Michael so much atm :( I just wish he were still here - as usual :cry:
I was listening to his music earlier while doing some work and during the last part of one of his songs, out of no-where I felt myself get choked up. It was strange.
:( I wish he had a message to give us.
I did a little meditation earlier, but I fell asleep. I just remember before falling asleep I called for Michael, asking him if he was near. I think he was in my meditation, but then I fell asleep and have forgotten.

I'm super worried about *Billie Jean* too, it's been days. I really hope she's okay :pray:

I'm just so up and down emotionally at the moment.

:heart: to you all
 
Asedora said:
My problem does not go away easy. I have had this terrible headache for a week now. I took already 2 painkillers this morning and it helped just a bit. A few years ago I stayed in the hospital for one month just for migraine treatment which was terrible and constant for 2 years. They used to give me a lot of medications trough IV mostly benzos, muscle relaxants and painkillers on daily basis and at night to make me sleep. As soon as you wake up the problem is back :( It is a similar formula what Michael used to take. I know perfectly how it works and how it feels because I have been there.
This is what happens with sensitive ppl when they have very stressful life and it never goes away 100% as soon as the person gets it. The pain can appear in muscles too in any part of the body. This is how some ppl react on depression. I am afraid now because a little stress can bring this problem back.
June 25th will be hard for me to go through too. Sorry guys for bringing my own problems into this thread. Just sharing my “experience”. I have to keep myself emotionally stable somehow.
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Hope you feel better soon, Asedora! I only had a few really bad migraine attacks in my life and it's just HORRIBLE. The light, the pain, you just want to die, seriously. I have a little vial upstairs with a serious combo of painkillers, caffeine etc. It contains barbiturates among other things. I have only taken 3 of those pills in 3 years because I am so afraid of depending on them. They make you feel quote spaced out, I completely understand the feeling and I can see how one you slide down a slippery slope on those pills.

Hope you feel better soon!

I hate that I'm congested because this song is still torturing me and I would like to get it out. I'm between crying my eyeballs out and being excited about this music. I'm not satisfied with the sound of my voice on it, being congested. So I will torture myself for a few more days before I am finally done. I felt similarly relieved once I got the other music done. It's such an urge and I'm literally obsessed when I write a certain piece.
 
Asedora,
I'm so sorry you're not feeling well. I suffer from migraines too and I know how awful they are. I also find that when I'm upset about Michael or just stressed out, I get them really badly. Have you tried going to a chiropractor? That's really the only thing that helps me. A lot of migraine problems come from your neck being misaligned, and going to a chiropractor can really relieve all that. Maybe it's worth a try.
Hope you feel better :better:
 
Asedora - Hope you're feeling better :hug:

Like others of you, I'm feeling totally drained today. Ugh, what the heck? I have a terrible headache and the light hurts my eyes. Ugh. Not a full migraine, but sucking. Ouch. Slept soooo deeply way too late into the afternoon and I didn't heard the alarm clock going off repeatedly at all. Crazy. I guess that ash cloud from the volcano in Iceland should be here in Germany about now too. Guess I missed all the news about cancelled flights in France and the UK, lol. That's what I get for sleeping for ages.

Oh! TODAY at 2pm Pacific / 5pm Eastern (22:00 UK / 23:00 CEST) we're doing a global prayer to help earthquake victims in China! Please join us for a minute or two if you can. Been tweeting about it and on Facebook. So in like 4 hours from the time of this post.

Shortly after falling asleep this morning I had a dream that someone posted about some project or event coming up on June 25th and then people from this thread were posting there and here about it with such amazing comments. It was like... feeling some amazingly deep connection with everyone. Like I was about blown away by the depth of love in the comments. I can't remember any of them specifically. Mod Alert had posted some amazing comment with the word "ONE" in the center in the other thread and wrote like "there's much more about this in the psychics thread!" :lol: And she wrote more here and then Amygrace and Darlingdear and others. It was like... WOW, this is so amazing I'm crying in the dream. Then I woke up and it faded quickly, but I was lying there thinking, "Oh, Michael... Michael, I love you so much" and I had these moments where I kind of felt some kind of oneness with the universe :heart: Then I fell asleep out cold for hours and had pretty normal dreams, I think ;)
 
mjbunny said:
Asedora - Hope you're feeling better :hug:

Like others of you, I'm feeling totally drained today. Ugh, what the heck? I have a terrible headache and the light hurts my eyes. Ugh. Not a full migraine, but sucking. Ouch. Slept soooo deeply way too late into the afternoon and I didn't heard the alarm clock going off repeatedly at all. Crazy. I guess that ash cloud from the volcano in Iceland should be here in Germany about now too. Guess I missed all the news about cancelled flights in France and the UK, lol. That's what I get for sleeping for ages.

Oh! TODAY at 2pm Pacific / 5pm Eastern (22:00 UK / 23:00 CEST) we're doing a global prayer to help earthquake victims in China! Please join us for a minute or two if you can. Been tweeting about it and on Facebook. So in like 4 hours from the time of this post.

Shortly after falling asleep this morning I had a dream that someone posted about some project or event coming up on June 25th and then people from this thread were posting there and here about it with such amazing comments. It was like... feeling some amazingly deep connection with everyone. Like I was about blown away by the depth of love in the comments. I can't remember any of them specifically. Mod Alert had posted some amazing comment with the word "ONE" in the center in the other thread and wrote like "there's much more about this in the psychics thread!" :lol: And she wrote more here and then Amygrace and Darlingdear and others. It was like... WOW, this is so amazing I'm crying in the dream. Then I woke up and it faded quickly, but I was lying there thinking, "Oh, Michael... Michael, I love you so much" and I had these moments where I kind of felt some kind of oneness with the universe :heart: Then I fell asleep out cold for hours and had pretty normal dreams, I think ;)
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WHAT THE HEY??? How do you know my lyrics??? :D They have to do with "ONE". And it's a tribute song to Michael that kind of started when I drove by his house in Holmby Hills, was eerie, I felt hit by a ton of emotions and impressions. Jeez. I hope it's ready by June. It's kind of sad but oh well. Guess I met you somewhere along the astral.:D

Hope everyone feels better.
 
^ LOL, hey, who knows :) You wrote like one line and the word "... ONE ...." was in all caps in the center with dots on either side, like that was the main point in the sentence. When I woke up it was around 7am my time (again! agh! I'm so sick of waking up in the 7:00 hour when I don't go to bed until 5 :rolleyes2:) and I thought then about all of you, since I'd been dreaming about you. I thought... hmmm... it's 10pm on the West Coast, 1am on the East and 6am in the UK... hmmm... others could be asleep right now, sure... ;) It's in these hours early in the morning, right after I've gone to bed that I seem to get these "connected" dreams lately. But unfortunately they wake me up and then I lie there with the sun shining on my head and the weird spine light pattern from the blinds on my wall and can't sleep right away again, lol.
 
mjbunny said:
^ LOL, hey, who knows :) You wrote like one line and the word "... ONE ...." was in all caps in the center with dots on either side, like that was the main point in the sentence. When I woke up it was around 7am my time (again! agh! I'm so sick of waking up in the 7:00 hour when I don't go to bed until 5 :rolleyes2:) and I thought then about all of you, since I'd been dreaming about you. I thought... hmmm... it's 10pm on the West Coast, 1am on the East and 6am in the UK... hmmm... others could be asleep right now, sure... ;) It's in these hours early in the morning, right after I've gone to bed that I seem to get these "connected" dreams lately. But unfortunately they wake me up and then I lie there with the sun shining on my head and the weird spine light pattern from the blinds on my wall and can't sleep right away again, lol.
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At that time I was recording (or at least trying).
The line is "and I tell you of all that is shared in ONE". :agree:
 
^ Whoa, that's pretty cool actually. So maybe when I get offlline I'm not really offline? lolol... talk about an internet addiction :lol:

darlingdear - sorry that you got bad news yesterday :hug: :heart:

I also wonder what's up with *Billie Jean* ... so she hasn't been online at all? :(
 
mjbunny said:
^ Whoa, that's pretty cool actually. So maybe when I get offlline I'm not really offline? lolol... talk about an internet addiction :lol:

darlingdear - sorry that you got bad news yesterday :hug: :heart:

I also wonder what's up with *Billie Jean* ... so she hasn't been online at all? :(
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Thanks, girl :huggy: :heart:

She hasn't been online since April 10th I believe. She left a..rather ominous poem in The Fans section..:( I really hope she's okay & we hear from her soon.

That's interesting about your dream too. It must be annoying that you keep waking up at a certain time every morning! I remember when that used to happen to me! Soo irritating when you get into that "habit". Mine used to be around 2-3am.

I will take part in that global prayer for the people of China. I can't believe there's been ANOTHER earthquake. It's kinda scary how many there have been since the year started. What is going on with the world & mother nature..
 
Hey guys. I have been searching for *Billie Jean* on facebook for the last couple of hours. I know she has a page cos I searched her posts and she mentioned something about the photo uploader on FB being annoying.

I don't know what else to do. Someone said she lived in Italy so I searched for Fran with bits of Italian I translated on a site. If anyone has any suggestions I'll try anything out.

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Mundy said:
Hey guys. I have been searching for *Billie Jean* on facebook for the last couple of hours. I know she has a page cos I searched her posts and she mentioned something about the photo uploader on FB being annoying.

I don't know what else to do. Someone said she lived in Italy so I searched for Fran with bits of Italian I translated on a site. If anyone has any suggestions I'll try anything out.

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Hey, that's really great, Mundy. I really hope you find her on FB :cry: :pray:
I don't know what else we can do..it's really unlike her to be gone for this length of time. Unless her asthma came back badly or something?
 
Hey lovies :group:

Asedora - sorry you've been feeling so icky...hope you feel better soon! :huggy:

darlingdear - bad news? aw i'm sorry! hugs to you too. :hug:

mjbunny - omg! the dream you had about us coming together...and then you woke up around 10pm West Coast time... crazy! 'cause I kid you not around that time, I started to do a little meditation for myself. And, side note, I totally wasn't thinking of Michael or wanting to connect with him...I was having some personal inner turmoil about other things in my life and I wanted some answers or insights about them. Well, as I was clearing my mind out of nowhere I felt this peace and happiness come over me and I saw Michael and all of us and other fans holding hands...all in a line holding hands running or skipping along. I felt like I suddenly joined in this love wave that was happening...like I saw Michael at the front and you guys trailing behind holding hands then I grabbed a hand and then others came in and we all just felt united and as one. Like skipping through the cosmos sharing and spreading love. It was wonderful...and came out of nowhere. After it I totally had the thought too "I wonder if mjbunny and other fans are sleeping right now and dreaming this?" :lol: it just felt like we were all connected. :heart:

I will try to join in the prayer for China later today. Ugh...poor China. :( What is going on with Mother Nature lately?

I've been keeping an eye on *Billie Jean*'s profile too to see if she has gotten online and still nothing. I feel like she is either in the hospital or...worse. :cry: I hope she's ok. She sure was suffering a lot. You know...there should be some kind of "Annie Are You Ok?" Network going on here. Like where everyone gives Gaz their phone number that he keeps in a secret list for emergency only. So when cases like this come up we are able to check up on people.
 
^ ^ Wow, that is soooo cool! (And I just got an email from another person with a totally "creepy-religious" dream that also is making me go "wow" because it also involved this connection and a meeting of fans on another level of consciousness... is it coincidence that she sent me this dream and you posted here at the same time? ;)) The really amazing part is that I also thought of you and ModAlert and others here too after waking up, wondering who might be sleeping or whatnot. I can't say the exact time I woke up, cuz I was lying on my side looking away from the clock. I lay there for what felt like maybe 10 minutes in the "love wave" as you said and then rolled over and it was 7:19 ... so I'd guess I woke up just after 7. Whoa, that's so cool :) :heart:
 
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