Merged: Psychics channel Michael

[Neeve]

Hey guys!
Ugh, I'm sorry, I've had a crazy busy few days. How is everyone? A lot of experiences, I see. I have to say I've been feeling disconnected from Michael, but maybe it's because I haven;t had time to think about it all. I also really need to get into meditating again, haven't done it in a few days.

I just found out that I got the grant I applied for to do fieldwork!!! So I now have to plan it all, but basically in the summer I'll be spending about 6 weeks in the Amazon in Peru, documenting a language... I'm so excited!!!

Maybe we all knew Michael in a previous life. Maybe over many lives and we all got together to live in this era, to put a huge following behind him and get his message heard :wub:. It's nice to imagine that we were all in on this together. I'm off in fantasy land :lol:

I've thought about this before.....I really love this idea, that maybe we're in the same soul group, or just knew him in a past life....:wub:

 

[amygrace]

Oh, hypnagogic hallucinations. I get those occasionally. I've seen some really bizarre things, bizarre like tiny people coming out of my wall. :bugeyed. Yeah, it is like a dream spilling over into my bedroom. But technically, I don't think I'm really dreaming when it's happening. I've heard voices before going to sleep too. Like people actually talking. It sounds like tuning into a radio. Sometimes I can specifically hear what's being said, and sometimes not. I can't help but wonder if maybe I really am hearing people talking somewhere at that moment. Your experience makes me think it's possible.

Interesting. The part about little people coming out of your wall...:lol: that makes me think of some stories I've heard by I think Doreen Virtue...about seeing leprechauns and other beings run through walls. Maybe you have a gift to tap into the other dimensions when you are bordering sleep...especially since you hear voices too. Or, maybe you're just crazy. :lol: kidding of course. :cheeky:

I also wonder if it might be much easier to have astral projection during a nap. I don't usually like taking naps because it doesn't work for me. I need complete darkness to be able sleep, but there was one day I decided to take a nap. As I was trying to get to sleep I heard a loud bang and it scared the crap out of me. :bugeyed I've heard that you sometimes hear that when you're about to have an OBE or astral projection. But anyway, it scared me enough to not want to take anymore naps. :lol:

Haha...you sure the bang wasn't something outside? Or was it a kind of internal bang? If I thought I was about to have an OBE I'd be excited! Like bring it on! But if it started out as a bang I'm sure I'd startle first as well.

Yeah I hate naps lol..and yet I still take them and regret them later :lol: (I always feel even more tired!).

Same here! I also feel like I'm in another world after I take naps...it's weird. I almost feel like I'm still in a dream after I wake up. Throws me off for the whole day!

It's nice that many of you are having good dreams about Michael's kids too... I hope they are doing well. :heart:

I just found out that I got the grant I applied for to do fieldwork!!! So I now have to plan it all, but basically in the summer I'll be spending about 6 weeks in the Amazon in Peru, documenting a language... I'm so excited!!!

Congratulations girl! Oh I'm so jealous... Peru! How fun.

 

[mjbunny]

But then it's like a catch 22 isn't it. I want him to be able to talk with everyone and yet I also want him to have the peace he deserves. I'm sure he knows us fans mean well though. It's all for LOVE, MJ :heart:

Oh, that is so right. Just how I feel.

Yeah. I wonder about this a lot...my conversations with him tend to always end with something like "am I bugging you Michael? Are we bugging you? I'm sorry...I know you could hardly get a moments peace down here... and you should get that now. I just...love you so much. That's all. Just wanted to send my love."

Ditto

Oh, hypnagogic hallucinations. I get those occasionally. I've seen some really bizarre things, bizarre like tiny people coming out of my wall. :bugeyed. Yeah, it is like a dream spilling over into my bedroom. But technically, I don't think I'm really dreaming when it's happening. I've heard voices before going to sleep too. Like people actually talking. It sounds like tuning into a radio. Sometimes I can specifically hear what's being said, and sometimes not. I can't help but wonder if maybe I really am hearing people talking somewhere at that moment. Your experience makes me think it's possible.

I really wonder sometimes. And I go through periods of time where I hear stuff a lot and times I don't much at all. Doesn't seem to have anything to do with stress either. Don't know why.

As I was trying to get to sleep I heard a loud bang and it scared the crap out of me. :bugeyed I've heard that you sometimes hear that when you're about to have an OBE or astral projection. But anyway, it scared me enough to not want to take anymore naps. :lol:

BTW, I had a dream last night I was in a contest with a bunch of famous musicians. My group was supposed to sing "Bittersweet Symphony" by The Verve (always loved that song) and I saw that Paris was in the orchestra, playing a violin.

Oh my, I get those loud bang or crack noises sometimes too. Sometimes I wake up like that.... CRACK!... omg, what was that? :bugeyed Btw... LOVE LOVE LOVE that song. It's one of my all-time favorites. The Verve is great. Have you heard 'Catching the Butterfly'? Such a cool and weird song.

I just found out that I got the grant I applied for to do fieldwork!!! So I now have to plan it all, but basically in the summer I'll be spending about 6 weeks in the Amazon in Peru, documenting a language... I'm so excited!!!

Wow, congrats! That sound wayyyy exciting! How 'Celestine Prophecy' for summer, lol

Just watched 'Edward Scissorhands'. Like the first time I saw it years ago, I thought... imagine if Michael had had that role instead of Johnny Depp. That would've been amazing. Well, I felt a lot of energy earlier, but it was when I was eating and the movie was starting and so I wasn't in the right situation to focus and now I'm just kind of tired and unfocused :smilerolleyes:

P.S. Off topic, but I realized tonight that sometimes when I'm listening to music via headphones I nevertheless FEEL the beat in other parts of my body, like if I'm still I could SWEAR I'm sitting in front of some mega speaker with the bass vibrating and pulsing through my hands, my legs, my stomach. Not intensely, but noticeably. It's so real sometimes that I'll think the floor just 'boomed', but it didn't. It's just in my ears, but I felt it with my feet. Am I just going nuts or do others have this as well? :lol:

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

P.S. Off topic, but I realized tonight that sometimes when I'm listening to music via headphones I nevertheless FEEL the beat in other parts of my body, like if I'm still I could SWEAR I'm sitting in front of some mega speaker with the bass vibrating and pulsing through my hands, my legs, my stomach. Not intensely, but noticeably. It's so real sometimes that I'll think the floor just 'boomed', but it didn't. It's just in my ears, but I felt it with my feet. Am I just going nuts or do others have this as well? :lol:

Yeah, I get that "aftermath" effects sometimes, especially from MJ's music. Love it, that's why I wear a decent headset without doing damage to my ears. (when you don't have to raise the level to unhealthy volumes)

I play my digital piano mostly through headset (in the middle of the night, I got a child, husband and neighbors who probably don't want to hear the next breakthrough in songwriting at 3 am...) and sometimes I waltz through the house thinking I am tripping over piano keys or sum'thin. It's funky.

 

[CaptainEoLove85]

Interesting. The part about little people coming out of your wall...:lol: that makes me think of some stories I've heard by I think Doreen Virtue...about seeing leprechauns and other beings run through walls. Maybe you have a gift to tap into the other dimensions when you are bordering sleep...especially since you hear voices too. Or, maybe you're just crazy. :lol: kidding of course. :cheeky:

Haha I don't think so. I know it's a pretty normal, though weird phenomenon. I always find it interesting. Though it used to be pretty scary, like seeing a giant spider in my room. :bugeyed Now if it happened during the day I'd probably get concerned. Although with all the experiences surrounding Michael I don't think much in the paranormal area can really frighten me.

Haha...you sure the bang wasn't something outside? Or was it a kind of internal bang? If I thought I was about to have an OBE I'd be excited! Like bring it on! But if it started out as a bang I'm sure I'd startle first as well.

It was all internal. It's strange like the brain gets confused or something, like those times when you consciously fall asleep, but your body doesn't, so it jerks. Hypnic jerks.

The Verve is great. Have you heard 'Catching the Butterfly'? Such a cool and weird song.

Hadn't heard that one before. Very nice.

 

[Bee]

Hey guys, feeling the sentiments here about Michael....lotta hugssss for you all! :huggy:

A weird thing happened last night. I was IM-ing my bf and he went at 4am to have a shower for work. In the meantime the internet went in my house and I was in the middle of something so I didn't bother restarting the computer. I got back online at 5:30 and I had a message from my bf sent at 5:22 saying "Thanks". I asked him what he was talking about, got no reply. I spoke to my bf this morning and he left his house at 5am. Weird.

Okay...why did I dream about this tonight? :scratch: Like...it's not so much that it has to do anything with me, but I dreamed I saw it on my computer and thought 'oh she was right, that's weird'....or something, can't remember exactly....wtf. :rofl:

I just found out that I got the grant I applied for to do fieldwork!!! So I now have to plan it all, but basically in the summer I'll be spending about 6 weeks in the Amazon in Peru, documenting a language... I'm so excited!!!

Whoaaaa AWESOME! I'm jealous too, haha. Totally amazing! Wish you much fun and good luck! (Praying for myself at the mo' to still get an internship overseas in September...so not working out...I'm at the point to just give up, tired of hearing nothing nothing nothing. Like, what's the point. Am I not good enough? Am I not deserving it? Meh. :sigh

P.S. Off topic, but I realized tonight that sometimes when I'm listening to music via headphones I nevertheless FEEL the beat in other parts of my body, like if I'm still I could SWEAR I'm sitting in front of some mega speaker with the bass vibrating and pulsing through my hands, my legs, my stomach. Not intensely, but noticeably. It's so real sometimes that I'll think the floor just 'boomed', but it didn't. It's just in my ears, but I felt it with my feet. Am I just going nuts or do others have this as well? :lol:

Well that's it you're officially going nuts.............Nah. :lol: I have that too, haha...not often though, only when I can 'let myself go' and so on.

I play my digital piano mostly through headset (in the middle of the night, I got a child, husband and neighbors who probably don't want to hear the next breakthrough in songwriting at 3 am...) and sometimes I waltz through the house thinking I am tripping over piano keys or sum'thin. It's funky.

Hehe, that's cute! unk:

 

[8701girl]

My heart is crying for our baby Michael.

I watched the interview with his bodyguards and the bit about him stressing out over business affairs and being so private and distant from his family tears at my heart.

I wanna hug him so badly.

I know, makes me just thinking bout it

 

[mjbunny]

Hi everyone :hug: Hope you all had a decent night last night. I'm feeling so weird today. Can't really explain it, just tired and unbalanced. Couldn't sleep last night until about 5am and then fell asleep into a seriously strange dream. It was one of the intense and vivid ones that seems like it means something super important at the time. It woke me up at 7am, I wrote down what I could remember and then I couldn't sleep again until after 10, bleh :doh: So here goes...

As I first drifted off to sleep I suddenly remembered in full dreamland detail a short newspaper article from the summer of 1984. It's a real article in one of my old scrapbooks. Why I remembered it while drifting off I have NO idea. I haven't looked through that scrapbook for quite some time and this article never meant anything special to me :scratch: And it seemed soooo important as I was falling asleep that I thought I simply must scan it for you all. Why? To show you that "people had weird thoughts like 'this' clear back in the 80's!" :lol: (None of this seems so important now that I'm awake, lol.) The article is titled "New Cult Calls Jackson Deity" and I saved it around May to July of 1984 from our local paper. I scanned it just now for real, lolol. Here you go: http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm43/shirtsrcool/website%20stuff/1984MJcultdeityarticle.png

So anyway, the dream began with this article being very important for some unfathomable reason. Somehow connected with this article was a German male MJ fan. If you can remember, a few days ago I posted that I dreamed that a guy had posted on a German forum that he'd had a dream in which someone told him that MJ is Krishna (or he was asked if MJ is Krishna, not sure on the detail there). Well, it was like this was the SAME GUY... some German fan I've never met. He then began to tell me all about a meeting he'd had with Michael in a hotel room (in Munich, I think) back in the 90's. I kind of vaguely remember Michael in a black surgical mask, but what I remember mostly were the guy's emotions. It's like I could FEEL what he had felt. He was soooo excited, in awe, feeling so much love, love, love. And then he showed me something written (to Michael? from Michael? not sure which) that said
"LOVE - I love you sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much!" And this was VERY important in the dream. He showed it to me for quite some time. Just now it made me think of when Alanis Morissette sings in 'So Pure': COSMIC TEARS. "You reduce me to cosmic tears." The guy was in cosmic tears due to this meeting with MJ. It was amazing to feel this. And then I felt that this fan had also been close to Michael some years later (maybe even in 2009) and he told me about how absolutely amazing Michael's presence was to him again... love, love, love! It was like this overwhelming feeling of love that just surrounded him and permeated everything, he explained.

Then I woke up. :scratch:Huh???? Who the heck is this guy? And why he is telling me stuff in dreams? :lol: Isn't that bizarre??? Then it was like I was wired and couldn't sleep, which sucked. I got up and found my scrapbook and all I could think is that I HAVE to tell you guys about this dream. It seemed sooo important at 7am that I almost got online :lol: I have nooooooo clue, so don't ask me. :smilerolleyes: It just seems like a not so important random dream to me now.

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

I don't have much to say, but yeah, interesting dream. Interesting article. Some of Jehovah's Witnesses saw the second coming in him?? Wow.

I'm sure you guys have seen this "cult". Sounds kind of humorous to me.
http://www.cultofmichaeljackson.org

10 Laws of the Boogie

You shall have no other pop Gods or Kings before MJ.

You shall strive to make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth, you shall boogie and keep thy faith and strive to be all that you can be.

You shall blame it on the boogie, knowing you are a danc’in machine and scream thy name.
Observe the nine to five day, and then at night you shall enjoy yourself, groove as the MJ commands you.

Start with the man in the mirror, honor yourself, make your father proud and your mother smile, love everyone, so that your days may be long and that it may go well with you in the land that thy idol MJ is commanding thee to enjoy.

You shall obey the rule that nobody shall hurt anybody else.

You shall not stop until you get enough.

Nor shall you be a smooth criminal, nor a macho man, and when in doubt just beat it.
Neither shall you victimize or scheme, upon penalty of a scream. Be careful of what you do, ‘cause the lie becomes the truth. Before you judge, try hard to love.
Your girl is yours and my girl is mine. Neither shall you be a Billie Jean or cause a scene.

Do as your mother says and be careful of who you love.

 

[amygrace]

(Praying for myself at the mo' to still get an internship overseas in September...so not working out...I'm at the point to just give up, tired of hearing nothing nothing nothing. Like, what's the point. Am I not good enough? Am I not deserving it? Meh. :sigh

Praying for you too, girl! :huggy:

As I first drifted off to sleep I suddenly remembered in full dreamland detail a short newspaper article from the summer of 1984. It's a real article in one of my old scrapbooks. Why I remembered it while drifting off I have NO idea. I haven't looked through that scrapbook for quite some time and this article never meant anything special to me :scratch: And it seemed soooo important as I was falling asleep that I thought I simply must scan it for you all. Why? To show you that "people had weird thoughts like 'this' clear back in the 80's!" :lol: (None of this seems so important now that I'm awake, lol.) The article is titled "New Cult Calls Jackson Deity" and I saved it around May to July of 1984 from our local paper. I scanned it just now for real, lolol. Here you go: http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...ityarticle.png

Wow...interesting dream! I do think that article is cool and kinda funny...that even in '84 people were thinking like that! haha... glad you shared it! Interesting about this German fan too...wonder what that's all about. Isn't it funny when you find stuff so important in dreamland and then you wake and are like...huh? What's so great about that? :lol:

I'm sure you guys have seen this "cult". Sounds kind of humorous to me.
http://www.cultofmichaeljackson.org

:lol: never heard of this. Those "10 laws of the boogie" cracked me up. Haha

 

[Mundy]

mjbunny Cool/strange dream. You just reminded me of something that happened last night. I was meditating and I was told there was a drawer with something important in it. The drawers that came into my mind were from a cabinet in the kitchen. I'm gonna go have a look now.

Also in the meditation this conversation started about piracy. I could hear 'Piracy isn't stealing. The companies make so much money and the don't do any good with it. It goes to selfish people' etc. Then today when I was looking in the news section today I saw the thread (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90288) about a man who is awaiting sentence for selling pirate MJ cds.

ModulationAlert I saw those laws a while back. I meant to go and have a proper look at the website but I forgot about it. Thanks for the reminder.

Anyway gonna have root around in the drawers. Wish me luck!

EDIT: Oops, I must have missed your post Mrs.Music. Of course you deserve it. Keep trying. I'll keep you in my prayers :heart:

 

[amygrace]

Also in the meditation this conversation started about piracy. I could hear 'Piracy isn't stealing. The companies make so much money and the don't do any good with it. It goes to selfish people' etc. Then today when I was looking in the news section today I saw the thread (http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90288) about a man who is awaiting sentence for selling pirate MJ cds.

Hah...damn straight. Interesting about that thread then showing up today. Looking at the comments on that is making me angry :angry: ....

 

[darlingdear]

Neeve - Ooo congratulations on getting to go to Peru for 6 weeks in the summer. Hope you have a great time

Mrs.Music - Sorry to hear things aren't working out with the internship! That must be so frustrating not to hear anything from them. I'll keep you in my thoughts :angel: :heart:

mjbunny - woow, cool dream! Interesting how you were tuned into this German guy.. Haha, thanks for that article too. But yeah, that's cool thank you for sharing :flowers:

Modulation Alert - :lol: Never heard of the MJ cult before. Haha 10 Laws of Boogie - awesome.

I felt MJ-ness in my dream last night, but the only thing I could remember is this really stupid thing where I was looking at a menu and MJ was a chef or something?? and the list of foods on there had something to do with Michael. Really stupid tbh lol.

I miss MJ. I was supposed to be doing some work today but my procrastination led to me re-reading stuff on Michael, his life, looking through the articles I saved on him etc. He really is such a fascinating man, I love him so :wub: :heart:
Then I played his music loud and remembered how in the days then months after the TII press conference, when sneaking out of school :lol: my friends & I would always play MJ so loudly when we drove around & sing along! Ohh, such fun memories. (I mean I/we still do it now when we go out, but back then it was the excitement like OMG I hope he does this song at the o2! And this one! I wonder how that will look live!!) - that just links in with what we were all saying the other day, about not wanting to forget those moments. Sorry to take it back to that lol.

:heart: to you all

 

[amygrace]

I felt MJ-ness in my dream last night, but the only thing I could remember is this really stupid thing where I was looking at a menu and MJ was a chef or something?? and the list of foods on there had something to do with Michael. Really stupid tbh lol.

"MJ-ness"...:lol: I've been having that a lot lately myself...feeling like I saw him or at least thought of him briefly in my dreams but not really remembering. MJ-ness is a good word for it.

I miss MJ. I was supposed to be doing some work today but my procrastination led to me re-reading stuff on Michael, his life, looking through the articles I saved on him etc. He really is such a fascinating man, I love him so :wub: :heart:

Aw yeah... Michael has made me become a supreme procrastinator...:lol: 'cause some days all I want to do is just forget work and read about/watch Michael...over and over again. :wub:

 

[darlingdear]

Aw yeah... Michael has made me become a supreme procrastinator...:lol: 'cause some days all I want to do is just forget work and read about/watch Michael...over and over again. :wub:

:lol: I never get bored of watching anything to do with him. I watch it through once then think aw that bit was sweet, let's play that again :wub: ..........:crazy:
I get back from class & I'm straight on here, youtube, Michaeling it up lol. Then my mother comes back from work like soo what have you done today? Any work? I'm like, erhmm, a little...haha (I do do work haha, when the time calls for it I get down to it..)



edit: Oh mjbunny, just read you watched Edward Scissorhands. I love that film so much. It always makes me cry I feel so sorry for Edward. The story reminds me of Michael very much.

 

[amygrace]

:lol: I never get bored of watching anything to do with him. I watch it through once then think aw that bit was sweet, let's play that again :wub: ..........:crazy:
I get back from class & I'm straight on here, youtube, Michaeling it up lol. Then my mother comes back from work like soo what have you done today? Any work? I'm like, erhmm, a little...haha (I do do work haha, when the time calls for it I get down to it..)

Hahaha...yeah...I'm the same way! I should even be working now but I'm not h34r: ... I mean, I'll get deadlines done but if something doesn't need done right away...I'm Michaeling in some way or another. You never can get bored of him!

 

[mjbunny]

I don't have much to say, but yeah, interesting dream. Interesting article. Some of Jehovah's Witnesses saw the second coming in him?? Wow. I'm sure you guys have seen this "cult". Sounds kind of humorous to me.
http://www.cultofmichaeljackson.org

LOL, yeah I've seen the Cult of MJ before. There was a thread about it not long again and I remember that people were taking it so seriously, like shocked or something It's like... it's for fun, guys!:lmao: (Doh, imagine them wandering into this thread lol).

Wow...interesting dream! I do think that article is cool and kinda funny...that even in '84 people were thinking like that! haha... glad you shared it! Interesting about this German fan too...wonder what that's all about. Isn't it funny when you find stuff so important in dreamland and then you wake and are like...huh? What's so great about that? :lol:

Well at least it served some purpose then :lol: And just to state for the record, I was NOT thinking anything "creepy-religious" before bed whatsoever! But, speaking of creepy-religious, I found a bit more about the 80's messiah cult folks:

Christianity Today, November 9, 1984:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache9evmGHZDe0J:www.stpaulsperham.com/uploads/Sermons/July%252012%2520Herod%2520Jesus.doc+%22gary+botting%22+%22michael+jackson%22&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk
“A Fringe Cult Calls Michael Jackson the Returned Christ”

Grammy Award winning superstar Michael Jackson poses special problems for the leadership of the Watch Tower Bible and Track Society (Jehovah’s Witnesses).

As a rock singer, Jackson represents a segment of contemporary culture that the Watch Tower leadership considers evil. At the same time, he is a devout Jehovah’s Witness who reportedly leads a life free of drugs, sexual immorality, and alcohol. Disguising himself, Jackson reportedly stands on street corners distributing copies of Watch Tower publications.

The problem he poses for the Watch Tower leadership looms much larger than his success as a rock singer. He is the unwilling star of a fringe cult (found in the Jehovah’s Witnesses religion) that hails him as the second-coming of Christ.

In view of Jehovah’s Witnesses theology, the claim is not as bizarre as it seems. The Watch Tower society considers Jesus to be Michael the Archangel, who is to return to earth. The Michael Jackson cult says Jackson is the archangel Michael.

“This is the same as saying that he is Jesus Christ in the second-coming,” says Gary Botting, an expert on Jehovah’s Witnesses. “They use prophecies of the religion to support their arguments.”

Jackson was conceived in 1957, prophesied by Witnesses to be a pivotal year of the Second Coming. He was born in 1958 in the same month, Jehovah’s Witnesses held their largest international assembly ever.

A Michael Jackson cult pamphlet concludes: “After all, if Michael is the Archangel (Michael), He’s been here before. And His appearance on earth would have grave implications for Witness theology: it would mean that Armageddon has already come and gone, and that we are already living in a ‘new world,’ over which Michael, the return Messiah, rules as the Prince of Peace.”
​

And more mentions here: http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...REOAAAAIBAJ&sjid=o3wDAAAAIBAJ&pg=5424,7360154 (right side of page 46)

mjbunny Cool/strange dream. You just reminded me of something that happened last night. I was meditating and I was told there was a drawer with something important in it. The drawers that came into my mind were from a cabinet in the kitchen. I'm gonna go have a look now.
Anyway gonna have root around in the drawers. Wish me luck!

Cool, wonder what you'll find (besides some batteries, a fork and a lost screwdriver, lolol)

I felt MJ-ness in my dream last night, but the only thing I could remember is this really stupid thing where I was looking at a menu and MJ was a chef or something?? and the list of foods on there had something to do with Michael. Really stupid tbh lol.

MJ-ness, lol. Well if he's a chef making you some foods, that's like sustenance, right? Something you need to survive? Just an idea I have MJ-ness in dreams a lot too and can't quite put it all together, lol.

I've found that often these days I'll have dreams that are kind of not like dreams, but are? Some weird state of consciousness, almost like I'm just lying there in bed, just barely asleep and connected with others, having conversations that seem so profound at the time. Sometimes I'm aware that Michael is (supposedly?) among those I'm "talking" with, as well as sometimes people from this thread or just... people in general. It's weird. Later in the morning for me today I was "thinking" in that barely-asleep state something about life reviews when we get to the other side. If over there there isn't really such a thing as TIME per se, then wouldn't your life review also include the ways in which you influenced people in the future (as seen from your death date)? So like, Michael profoundly affects people into the future after 2009, so if there's no time over there can he know what I'll do in regard to him, because of him, in like 20 years? :scratch:Or, just how pliable is this oneness of consciousness without real time? If it's all happening at once, then does it just feel like fate down here? If Neeve makes some amazing MJ tribute site in 2017, does Michael know about that "already"? :doh: Ouch, my brain.

 

[darlingdear]

I've found that often these days I'll have dreams that are kind of not like dreams, but are? Some weird state of consciousness, almost like I'm just lying there in bed, just barely asleep and connected with others, having conversations that seem so profound at the time. Sometimes I'm aware that Michael is (supposedly?) among those I'm "talking" with, as well as sometimes people from this thread or just... people in general. It's weird. Later in the morning for me today I was "thinking" in that barely-asleep state something about life reviews when we get to the other side. If over there there isn't really such a thing as TIME per se, then wouldn't your life review also include the ways in which you influenced people in the future (as seen from your death date)? So like, Michael profoundly affects people into the future after 2009, so if there's no time over there can he know what I'll do in regard to him, because of him, in like 20 years? :scratch:Or, just how pliable is this oneness of consciousness without real time? If it's all happening at once, then does it just feel like fate down here? If Neeve makes some amazing MJ tribute site in 2017, does Michael know about that "already"? :doh: Ouch, my brain.

My brain just went into overdrive lol. :scratch:

 

[Mundy]

OMG :wild: I found my badge!

I lost it aaaaaaages ago! I know it's not something of general importance but it's special to me. My cousin gave it to me when I was 8 along with another one I still have with my other MJ stuff. And I found it through meditation! In the drawer I saw last night.

I know what you guys mean. I spend so much time watching, listening, downloading, talking Michael. My godchild loves him too and she's always asking if I heard the latest news and looking for songs and videos for her iPod. Ghosts is her favourite so far. I'm putting moonwalker on it for her this week. (Sorry, I went a bit off topic there :lol

Neeve Congratulations! I'm so happy for you! I'm sure you'll have a great time :heart:

mjbunny If I found my fork in there I would be delighted! I used the same fork for as long as I can remember and I lost it when I moved house last year. No one else was allowed to use it because I didn't want meat on it. Gah I sound so nasty and weird! :lol: but hey, we all have our weird things

 

[mjbunny]

OMG :wild: I found my badge!

I lost it aaaaaaages ago! I know it's not something of general importance but it's special to me. My cousin gave it to me when I was 8 along with another one I still have with my other MJ stuff. And I found it through meditation! In the drawer I saw last night.

mjbunny If I found my fork in there I would be delighted! I used the same fork for as long as I can remember and I lost it when I moved house last year. No one else was allowed to use it because I didn't want meat on it. Gah I sound so nasty and weird! :lol: but hey, we all have our weird things

LOLOL, one fork? That's funny :lol: I'm like that with dishes, though, too. I have this one cup that I'll wash every day and use for tea even though there's like 20 more in the cupboard, lol. And I have this one big bowl that I like to eat everything out of, like a dog ... you know, like your dog has his water dish and his food dish (except I use silverware, lol). Just put my dinner in the big bowl, thanks. (Now who's weird? ) So cool about the badge! So it really did lead you to something you'd lost! Meditation ROCKS unk:

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

I've found that often these days I'll have dreams that are kind of not like dreams, but are? Some weird state of consciousness, almost like I'm just lying there in bed, just barely asleep and connected with others, having conversations that seem so profound at the time. Sometimes I'm aware that Michael is (supposedly?) among those I'm "talking" with, as well as sometimes people from this thread or just... people in general. It's weird. Later in the morning for me today I was "thinking" in that barely-asleep state something about life reviews when we get to the other side. If over there there isn't really such a thing as TIME per se, then wouldn't your life review also include the ways in which you influenced people in the future (as seen from your death date)? So like, Michael profoundly affects people into the future after 2009, so if there's no time over there can he know what I'll do in regard to him, because of him, in like 20 years? Or, just how pliable is this oneness of consciousness without real time? If it's all happening at once, then does it just feel like fate down here? If Neeve makes some amazing MJ tribute site in 2017, does Michael know about that "already"? Ouch, my brain.

Hm, I'd like to add a healthy dose of "free will" into the baking mix.

But, I'd say absolutely, you could be doing it in a parallel universe/alternative reality as well.
AND, time works differently here in in our physical life.

I remember asking Michael something and he did point out to me that time has a different meaning from his standpoint. He simply said "time is not of the realm that you speak of so often".

 

[darlingdear]

OMG :wild: I found my badge!

I lost it aaaaaaages ago! I know it's not something of general importance but it's special to me. My cousin gave it to me when I was 8 along with another one I still have with my other MJ stuff. And I found it through meditation! In the drawer I saw last night.

I know what you guys mean. I spend so much time watching, listening, downloading, talking Michael. My godchild loves him too and she's always asking if I heard the latest news and looking for songs and videos for her iPod. Ghosts is her favourite so far. I'm putting moonwalker on it for her this week. (Sorry, I went a bit off topic there :lol

That is so cool that you found that badge!

Aw, that's so cute about your godchild. :heart:
Most of my family & friends have moved on from Michael :sigh: Don't you hate that?
But my little cousin who's 7, he is into Michael :lol: He used to do this thing where he'd spin around, throw his arm out put his other hand on his chest and go PA. And I'd be like teasing him, who was that?? He's like MICHAEL! And I'd say..oo I don't remember that move baby, are you sure?? And he immediately goes yeah it's in JAM, puts it on. He loved Ghosts too.
I'll never forget the time when I showed him Moonwalker. He was mesmerised. Especially with Speed Demon & the bit where they recreate the bad vid with the kids, he laughed so hard at that. It was so nice over the summer, to watch him on his MJ journey, experiences all the excitement and the buzz.

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

OMG I found my badge!

I lost it aaaaaaages ago! I know it's not something of general importance but it's special to me. My cousin gave it to me when I was 8 along with another one I still have with my other MJ stuff. And I found it through meditation! In the drawer I saw last night.

I know what you guys mean. I spend so much time watching, listening, downloading, talking Michael. My godchild loves him too and she's always asking if I heard the latest news and looking for songs and videos for her iPod. Ghosts is her favourite so far. I'm putting moonwalker on it for her this week. (Sorry, I went a bit off topic there )

That is so cool! Someone wanted to help you out and showed where to find the badge, very cool!

I know how that feels. I was visiting my parents overseas in early 2007 and was pregnant, crawling through my old stuff on their attic- and I found many MJ things. I decided to take some of these things back to the US. Among them a first edition (certainly didn't think about it that way back then!) of "Dancing The Dream" when it first was published in Germany- I got the bilingual edition, my mom gave it to me for Christmas when it first came out).
Looking at the prices for the original prints of it on ebay- :bugeyed, I'm glad I have it.

I also have a couple singles that I bought back then- they still have the old stickers on them with the old currency- before the Euro...I look at the stuff now and think, wow, I am happy I took my stuff back with me to the US. I bought the singles of Will you be there, Gone to soon etc.
I remember buying "HIStory" on tapes, it's a funky package- and no censoring of the songs. I got all the "jew me" and "stop f*cking with me" on them. :yes:

Had "Dangerous" on tape too- with a loooooong fold out booklet.

I'm so glad I brought all these things back with me. I still have the dictionary I used in 1993 to write him a letter of support, gosh, my English SUCKED.

 

[Bee]

Hi guys! Not so much to add here today....lacking energy for a long time now, pretty annoying. I had school today and my school's basically next to the Amstel Hotel, in which Jermaine was staying yesterday and today, haven't seen him popping by on the street or something though, boooo. :lol:

@amygrace / Mundy / darlingdear: Thank you sweethearts for praying for me too for the internship, haha! :huggy: Really appreciate it. Hope it's all gonna work out, I'm so desperate to go somewhere else, do something new, etc.

As I first drifted off to sleep I suddenly remembered in full dreamland detail a short newspaper article from the summer of 1984.
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Wow geez, well...it sounds kind of important to me though! Pretty interesting, but I'm confused about the guy...you said earlier in the post that you DID know him, through a MJ board, right? Very cool that you heard him telling you all that. And totally weird you reminded yourself of that newspaper article, how funny that they thought these things even by then! That's like, not even half his career and some of them already felt like that about him! Awesome! (Hm getting these crazy 'time' thoughts...so weird how long ago that was, 1984...I wasn't even born back then! And Michael was there! And and....*brain overdrive*.) Thanks for scanning it in.

OMG :wild: I found my badge!

No waaaaaaaay! That's so cool! After all these years! Reminds me of how I found my Ankh necklace a while ago right after thinking about Michael and his Egypt connections, it send me straight to it. Great stuff.:angel:

But my little cousin who's 7, he is into Michael :lol:

I was visiting my parents overseas in early 2007 and was pregnant, crawling through my old stuff on their attic- and I found many MJ things.

Great to read such things! Man....Michael's been such a big part of this earth. It's so weird to realize that his products/music, all of that...is so friggin' old! I mean, I got these vinyls, which my mom and dad obviously bought at the time, but it's like....I'm listening to this same music everyday....it's older than I am! And this love continues, continues, continues....when I'm looking into that it's.....SO MASSIVE. I really hope Michael realizes what he meant for this world, my goodness!

(Okay never mind, got my realizing-moments of 'OMJ' facts once again, lolol. It never ceases to amaze me! :cheeky

 

[amygrace]

But, speaking of creepy-religious, I found a bit more about the 80's messiah cult folks.........
A Michael Jackson cult pamphlet concludes: “After all, if Michael is the Archangel (Michael), He’s been here before. And His appearance on earth would have grave implications for Witness theology: it would mean that Armageddon has already come and gone, and that we are already living in a ‘new world,’ over which Michael, the return Messiah, rules as the Prince of Peace.”

Hah...interesting article. Well, Michael was a big part in ushering in the "new world" I think... and the "Prince of Peace" is a title that would certainly fit him. :cheeky:

Later in the morning for me today I was "thinking" in that barely-asleep state something about life reviews when we get to the other side. If over there there isn't really such a thing as TIME per se, then wouldn't your life review also include the ways in which you influenced people in the future (as seen from your death date)? So like, Michael profoundly affects people into the future after 2009, so if there's no time over there can he know what I'll do in regard to him, because of him, in like 20 years? :scratch:Or, just how pliable is this oneness of consciousness without real time? If it's all happening at once, then does it just feel like fate down here? If Neeve makes some amazing MJ tribute site in 2017, does Michael know about that "already"? :doh: Ouch, my brain.

Hmm...well, that would make sense in Michael's case...to be able to see/feel all the effects that he has made on people even after his passing. Because that's all part of how his personal life choices have affected others. He's one of the few people who will continue to inspire and uplift people for years and years. I'm sure he has already felt all that impact...because whether some people have yet to experience it, it's all energy just waiting for them to pull down into their life. As far as actually seeing/knowing about specific events in relation to that...I would think that some things he would see only if he wanted to look. Like, using your example, I would think that if Neeve was "destined" to make some amazing tribute in the future, Michael would probably only see that if he were visiting her...because it would probably be in her "soul makeup"...or "thought geographies" as termed in the "Beginner's Guide for the Recently Deceased" book. That was an interesting part the book went into actually...because it touched on free will. As Modulation Alert brought up, that's something to think about. Here's what the book said:

"Thought creates the furrows along which action will inevitably run. This is how free will and fate coexist. Imagine action as water and fate as the geography created by the landscape of thought. You can't change how action flows - it simply follows the geography - but you can change the geography, the thought-landscape over which it flows, and thereby change the events that unfold. In other words, show me the thought geography and I'll tell you the future, and if the thought geography doesn't change in the interim, there's no way I'm going to be wrong."

So ultimately, it's the basic "law of attraction" concept, right? But, what if what we think is free will, actually isn't? What if using our thoughts or actions to "change the course" - was expected? That would make sense for Michael or anyone on the other side able to see most of our future - because in essence, it's already happened...even though we think that we can change it...because really, our thinking of making the change was expected based on how our life would go. One event lead to another which was sure to lead to this thought that would lead to that. etc.

Example: Say I'm in a crappy relationship. Everyone around me thinks I should break up with the guy and even my psychic tells me he's no good for me and that there's someone else out there that I'm meant to be with. After I've about had enough, I plan on breaking up with him. But then someone lends me the book The Secret and I realize that I can make the situation better with my thoughts. So, using free will, I turn around my attitude, decide to stay, and whad'ya know...our relationship improves and we end up getting married.

So ok...maybe not a great example...lol...I suck at these things, but the point is, did I use free will? I mean I could have gone on and found that better guy out there, right? Or, was it all expected? Did I know, before coming down here, that I would get so fed up with this guy and all signs would point to us being wrong for each other but for karma's sake it was important we stay together - so I planned on having a friend lend me that book just at the right time that would change my thinking?

I mean it just makes you think...what is really behind your thoughts? Generally, thoughts and decisions only happen based on past events. So, while we may decide to use our "free will" to do something different or go this way or that - we probably made that decision based on what we've experienced in life in some way - (ie: "i'm so fed up with things going this way I'm doing something new!" or "based on what happened this last time I'm going to do this instead") and well, we probably only experienced those things because they were "meant to be" or part of our soul plan, so ultimately - most of what we experience was already predetermined. It's your simple cause and effect theory.

Some things to think about. Sorry if I broke yours or anyone elses brain. :lol:

OMG :wild: I found my badge!

I lost it aaaaaaages ago! I know it's not something of general importance but it's special to me. My cousin gave it to me when I was 8 along with another one I still have with my other MJ stuff. And I found it through meditation! In the drawer I saw last night.

Wow! That's crazy cool! Meditation FTW!

My godchild loves him too and she's always asking if I heard the latest news and looking for songs and videos for her iPod. Ghosts is her favourite so far. I'm putting moonwalker on it for her this week.

Aw sweet! My daughter loved Ghosts and Thriller the most too when we were first discovering Michael. She always requested those songs. And once she watched Moonwalker, she watched that thing like twice a day for over a week!

 

[mjbunny]

Hm, I'd like to add a healthy dose of "free will" into the baking mix.
But, I'd say absolutely, you could be doing it in a parallel universe/alternative reality as well.
AND, time works differently here in in our physical life.
I remember asking Michael something and he did point out to me that time has a different meaning from his standpoint. He simply said "time is not of the realm that you speak of so often".

But that's the thing, see. We're told all the time about how time is an illusion, that everything is actually happening NOW. If that's true, then if you can be in that real now over there then you should know what I'm going to do in 20 years because 2030 is happening right NOW :lol: So although I might truly have free will about what I'll do in 2030, someone on the other side who sees the bigger picture would already know what I "did". So they could tell me, "On April 14, 2030 you'll go to your old-folks' belly dancing class in Paris and then fly in this way cool super-fast airplane that hasn't been invented yet back home for dinner at Taco Bell (which will finally exist in Germany outside military bases by then)." To me, however, being told this information would make it sound like I'm living out some fated existence, but the reality was that I chose these things ... or rather, will choose these things in my physical future. ("Oh no, I've gone cross-eyed" - Austin Powers :doh: :lol

Some years ago I thought of a lame 2-dimensional way to attempt to explain precognitive dreams and stuff like this :lol: It goes like this:

Consider this circle. The line along the outer edge has no beginning or ending. And it's not straight, but curves in the O shape. All existence IS this circle. It's all one, we're all one, this one big circle. In the center is God/Home. You can see all vantage points from here... all of time, all the space between the center and the line. As you get further from this center/home, you get to the circle's edge and that line, which would be the physical plane. If you zoom in and in and in and actually put your tiny little self ON that line, you won't even see that you're in/on the circle. You won't get it at all. You won't even see that it curves, just like how the Earth basically appears to be flat to you. On the line you'd just see directly ahead of you and directly behind you in a straight line. What's up around the curve wouldn't be part of your awareness. However, if you could lift off that line even just a bit you would gain a vantage point above it and could see farther ahead. If we leave our bodies when we dream, perhaps we're metaphorically above that line in the next dimension up (or inward toward the center) and can get those "glimpses and flashes". Time only exists in linear form when you're on the line, perceiving it as nothing but linear. Well, anyway, just remembered that and thought I'd share :lol:

I'll never forget the time when I showed him Moonwalker. He was mesmerised. Especially with Speed Demon & the bit where they recreate the bad vid with the kids, he laughed so hard at that. It was so nice over the summer, to watch him on his MJ journey, experiences all the excitement and the buzz.

Cool

Among them a first edition (certainly didn't think about it that way back then!) of "Dancing The Dream" when it first was published in Germany- I got the bilingual edition, my mom gave it to me for Christmas when it first came out).

Whoa, I didn't know there ever was a bilingual version!

Hi guys! Not so much to add here today....lacking energy for a long time now, pretty annoying. I had school today and my school's basically next to the Amstel Hotel, in which Jermaine was staying yesterday and today, haven't seen him popping by on the street or something though, boooo. :lol:

OMG!!!! :wild: Jermaine????!!!!! (Ok, I'm bad, just kidding :hysterical

 

[Mundy]

LOLOL, one fork? That's funny :lol: I'm like that with dishes, though, too. I have this one cup that I'll wash every day and use for tea even though there's like 20 more in the cupboard, lol. And I have this one big bowl that I like to eat everything out of, like a dog ... you know, like your dog has his water dish and his food dish (except I use silverware, lol). Just put my dinner in the big bowl, thanks. (Now who's weird? ) So cool about the badge! So it really did lead you to something you'd lost! Meditation ROCKS unk:

:lmao: I eat noodles out of a butter dish. I don't even know why I started it but noodles have to go in the butter dish! (it's not used for butter btw :lol

That is so cool that you found that badge!

Aw, that's so cute about your godchild. :heart:
Most of my family & friends have moved on from Michael :sigh: Don't you hate that?
But my little cousin who's 7, he is into Michael :lol: He used to do this thing where he'd spin around, throw his arm out put his other hand on his chest and go PA. And I'd be like teasing him, who was that?? He's like MICHAEL! And I'd say..oo I don't remember that move baby, are you sure?? And he immediately goes yeah it's in JAM, puts it on. He loved Ghosts too.
I'll never forget the time when I showed him Moonwalker. He was mesmerised. Especially with Speed Demon & the bit where they recreate the bad vid with the kids, he laughed so hard at that. It was so nice over the summer, to watch him on his MJ journey, experiences all the excitement and the buzz.

That's so cute! I was djing a kids disco last sunday and I was showing my godchild how to moonwalk. This little kid comes over and pulls all these BAD MJ moves. Man, he put me to shame! I asked him who showed him how to do it and he said he learned himself. He was really good :yes:

That is so cool! Someone wanted to help you out and showed where to find the badge, very cool!

I know how that feels. I was visiting my parents overseas in early 2007 and was pregnant, crawling through my old stuff on their attic- and I found many MJ things. I decided to take some of these things back to the US. Among them a first edition (certainly didn't think about it that way back then!) of "Dancing The Dream" when it first was published in Germany- I got the bilingual edition, my mom gave it to me for Christmas when it first came out).
Looking at the prices for the original prints of it on ebay- :bugeyed, I'm glad I have it.

I also have a couple singles that I bought back then- they still have the old stickers on them with the old currency- before the Euro...I look at the stuff now and think, wow, I am happy I took my stuff back with me to the US. I bought the singles of Will you be there, Gone to soon etc.
I remember buying "HIStory" on tapes, it's a funky package- and no censoring of the songs. I got all the "jew me" and "stop f*cking with me" on them. :yes:

Had "Dangerous" on tape too- with a loooooong fold out booklet.

I'm so glad I brought all these things back with me. I still have the dictionary I used in 1993 to write him a letter of support, gosh, my English SUCKED.

It's cool you got some of your stuff. I was just thinking last night that I wrote a letter to Michael when I was about 10. I'm almost 100% sure I never got around to sending it. I have no idea if it's still around but I'd love to see what I wrote in it. OMG so adorable that you were using a dictionary to write him a letter. I have heard of a few people here on the forum who learned English because of him. I'd say he got some really cute letters from people who were learning English. That sort of dedication must have stood out to him. I'd say he appreciated it :wub:

MrsMusic I forgot to reply to you earlier about the dream you had. I asked my bf about it again to make sure he wasn't messing with me and he wasn't. He was gone by 5am and he said he didn't say thanks at all so it wasn't a message coming in late (even though the right time usually comes in with late messages). I'm just gonna take it as a thanks from someone.

 

[mjbunny]

Mrs Music - Oh, I forgot in my last post... I was going to say about my dream... no, I didn't know the guy at all. I had a DREAM some days ago that some German fan (no clue who, just some guy) had a dream in which someone asked or told him about MJ and Krishna. So I dreamed about hearing of a dream by someone I've never met and who may or may not exist. Then the dream I had this morning featured this same guy again, telling me about how he met Michael back in the 90's. I don't know how I knew it was the same guy who I dreamed of before. Just knew it somehow.

 

[amygrace]

^mjbunny - that circle explanation confused me a little. :lol: Thought I'd throw in another example on time. Again quoting from that book:

"Imagine that you're travelling by train through the countryside, looking through the window and watching the changing landscape. That's what the physical world was like. Now, smash the window and stick your head out - that's what the astral world is like. The first thing you realize when you stick your head out is that it's not the landscape that's changing. What's changing is your persepctive. The future - the landscape ahead of you - already exists."

So pretty much time is like the landscape on a road your traveling. The tree ahead of you 10 miles already exists, but you don't know it until you arrive at that point. I like that analogy. Considering everything is energy, it's like everything that will ever happen, is just energy hovering above us. What we think is the "future" is really just us pulling that energy down.

 

[mjbunny]

As far as actually seeing/knowing about specific events in relation to that...I would think that some things he would see only if he wanted to look. Like, using your example, I would think that if Neeve was "destined" to make some amazing tribute in the future, Michael would probably only see that if he were visiting her...because it would probably be in her "soul makeup"...

Right. I didn't mean that he'd be all knowing about every time I sneezed, lol, but like what you said. If someone over there tuned into it they could know what you're "going to" do. In theory.

or "thought geographies" as termed in the "Beginner's Guide for the Recently Deceased" book. That was an interesting part the book went into actually...because it touched on free will. As Modulation Alert brought up, that's something to think about. Here's what the book said:

Hey, I haven't gotten to that part yet :rofl:

Example: Say I'm in a crappy relationship. Everyone around me thinks I should break up with the guy and even my psychic tells me he's no good for me

Holy crap, you just described my sister PERFECTLY

but the point is, did I use free will? I mean I could have gone on and found that better guy out there, right? Or, was it all expected? Did I know, before coming down here, that I would get so fed up with this guy and all signs would point to us being wrong for each other but for karma's sake it was important we stay together - so I planned on having a friend lend me that book just at the right time that would change my thinking?

Oh yeah. Hell yeah, that's the question. That's the kind of stuff that attacks me and drives me nuts from time to time :lol: I have a book called "There Are No Accidents" (can't find it right now -- it's true stories about "coincidences".) and there's one in there about a woman who had horrible dreams about her young son being struck by a car and dying. I think she knew the date and everything. She was so freaked out that she decided to get the hell out of town and away from all the city traffic. She drove to her mother's house in another town. Right after they arrived her son was sitting in the front yard as she went into the house with suitcases. At that moment a driver lost control of their car on this fairly quiet street and came barreling into the yard, hitting and killing the child. Now that's some effed up crazy stuff. Ok, I guess that got a bit offtrack from what we were talking about, but not really. It's about if we make choices just out of the blue or if those choices could be planned or predicted.