Merged: Psychics channel Michael

[Asedora]

True, I think there is a lot more to things than what I think to be true in my mind, or what I think I 'know' to be true. I certainly don't think there are "damnations" though. I think that there are simply actions and reactions. Cause and effect. There's a push/pull to everything...that plays out in our lifetimes, as "karma". I think that the only "punishing" we get is from ourselves...whether through our thinking, or whether through doing harm to another that ensures later we will suffer the same done to us. "You get what you give" - I think a big part our growth reaches it's end when we realize and act from that truth. That we are all the same, and that what we do to someone else we do to ourselves.

Sorry, Sorry, it was misspelling. I meant "dimensions" LOL It was a silly one ugh...
I like the idea "You get what you give". Makes sense to me.

 

[Neeve]

^ You have to do that manually using the quote tags in brackets for each part you're quoting:

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You need to use brackets [ ] of course, not the parentheses ... had to use those to show you. You just have to always begin with the QUOTE tag (in brackets) and end with the /QUOTE tag (in brackets with a slash before the word 'quote')

oh thank you!!!

Hehe I used to think that way too. We'd get on the other side and go "ooh yeah! now i remember!" :lol: - the book we've been talking about "The Beginner's Guide for the Recently Deceased" goes into this...particularly the later chapters. I just got done reading the whole book yesterday... so good. But anyway, I loved how in the final chapters, he talks about how we have our first death; which is physical - then our astral plane death, and then our last 'death' that takes us back down to Earth for our next incarnation. He used a ferris wheel as an analogy for it all...it was very interesting.

Yes! that chapter on the ferris wheel of life spoke to me....I especially love how it ended!

Anyone going to read the new InnerMichael post, http://innermichael.blogspot.com/2010/02/suffering-is-one-of-those-common.html, ummm... you might want to skip over the part about Vlad Dracula unless you want those images to torture your mind. OMG. I feel like I just watched the last 30 minutes of Hannibal or something uke: But the rest of the post is great.

oh I must check it out.....need to emotionally prepare myself every time...

And that's where it goes into the resurrection... if you believe it, then it was his physical body made holy and ascending (and therefore not the same type of visitation that we get from relatives and loved ones who pass). If one believes it to be symbolic or metaphoric (not an actual physical occurance) then it likely is the same type of thing that happens to us when we see someone. Yeah, and the part about Mary M not recognizing him. That's odd, right? (One of at least 10,000 odd things in the Bible, I guess... ) If one says they don't believe it was physical resurrection, then I guess they'd be doomed to hell in the eyes of most Christians, since that's a fundamental part of the crede. If only we had a time machine... first fixing a few things for Michael and then... back to check out Jesus. Problem is, I wouldn't understand the language and would probably manage to freak someone out or piss someone off as soon as I arrived and get stoned to death as an insubordinate witch :smilerolleyes: So not the safest idea.

hahaha! that wouldn't be good....lol.

But yeah that is the next thing I need to figure out.... if it was really a physical resurrction....hmmm. You know, maybe when you get THAT evolved, you realise that a lot of this physical world can be manipulated, so maybe it did actually happen like that...I have no idea, but I have wondered that a lot.

PS I can't believe I now know how to do that quote thing, I have literally wondered about that for years, stupid me not to ask until now, lol.

 

[amygrace]

Sorry, Sorry, it was misspelling. I meant "dimensions" LOL It was a silly one ugh...
I like the idea "You get what you give". Makes sense to me.

:lol: That was a big typo. I do agree, there are many dimensions/layers to everything. The astral plane certainly isn't the end all when we die.

Yes! that chapter on the ferris wheel of life spoke to me....I especially love how it ended!

Ah so you read it all the way through already then...cool. Now that I finished that one I'm on the search for the next enlightening book. I think I'll search on Amazon for one right now in fact.

EDIT: Hah...I searched the author of the Beginner's Guide book on Amazon and saw he also wrote a book called "The Atheist Afterlife". I thought I'd mention it here because awhile back someone had brought up the question of what happens to the people who don't believe in an afterlife, once they die. I'm sure it will support more of the concept that we create our own reality...as it says on the cover "The odds of an afterlife: reasonable. The odds of meeting God there: nil". Hehe.

 

[amygrace]

Alright so I think the next book I'm going to read is "Unfinished Business: What the Dead Can Teach Us About Life" by James Van Praagh.

After that I think I'll look into "Do Dead People Watch You Shower?" :lol: - looks interesting and amusing.

I'll let you guys know what I think when I'm done...if they are worthwhile reads. If any of you read stuff that you find interesting too, please do share with everyone!

 

[Neeve]

:lol: That was a big typo. I do agree, there are many dimensions/layers to everything. The astral plane certainly isn't the end all when we die.


Ah so you read it all the way through already then...cool. Now that I finished that one I'm on the search for the next enlightening book. I think I'll search on Amazon for one right now in fact.

EDIT: Hah...I searched the author of the Beginner's Guide book on Amazon and saw he also wrote a book called "The Atheist Afterlife". I thought I'd mention it here because awhile back someone had brought up the question of what happens to the people who don't believe in an afterlife, once they die. I'm sure it will support more of the concept that we create our own reality...as it says on the cover "The odds of an afterlife: reasonable. The odds of meeting God there: nil". Hehe.

haha excellent.

I still don't know where I stand on the God issue...... I don't know if I believe he's a being, or just a shared consciousness, or just energy....

I recently bought Journey of Souls by Michael Newton, it's about what happens between our lives on earth. He got this information through hypnotising people...and the other one is Spiritual Liberation by Michael Beckwith, the guy who was involved in The Secret. I can't say anything because I haven't read either of them yet! I'm currently reading a book on chakras, and one by Sanaya Roman called Opening to Channel, which I'm enjoying a lot.

Alright so I think the next book I'm going to read is "Unfinished Business: What the Dead Can Teach Us About Life" by James Van Praagh.

After that I think I'll look into "Do Dead People Watch You Shower?" :lol: - looks interesting and amusing.

I'll let you guys know what I think when I'm done...if they are worthwhile reads. If any of you read stuff that you find interesting too, please do share with everyone!

ooh they sound good! LOL!
I gave my housemate the Beginner's guide to the Recently Deceased to read, and she was asking me about it a second ago but she couldn't remember the name...she called it "Congratulations, you're dead" .... hahaha I was like, ok... haha:rofl:

 

[amygrace]

I recently bought Journey of Souls by Michael Newton, it's about what happens between our lives on earth. He got this information through hypnotising people...and the other one is Spiritual Liberation by Michael Beckwith, the guy who was involved in The Secret. I can't say anything because I haven't read either of them yet! I'm currently reading a book on chakras, and one by Sanaya Roman called Opening to Channel, which I'm enjoying a lot.

I passed by Journey of Souls...I think it may have been mentioned before here too...I will have to add it to my list. I'll look into Spiritual Liberation too. I really liked a lot of the people on The Secret.

ooh they sound good! LOL!
I gave my housemate the Beginner's guide to the Recently Deceased to read, and she was asking me about it a second ago but she couldn't remember the name...she called it "Congratulations, you're dead" .... hahaha I was like, ok... haha:rofl:

Haha...I think I've heard of that book before too. I might be interested in reading it also! Michael has really gotten me curious about the afterlife. Mostly the spiritual books I've read in the past have been about spiritual gifts, psychic abilities, starpeople/elementals, earthbound spirits and such. Now I'm really interested in death, transitioning, the astral plane, what happens next, what life is like then...etc.

 

[CaptainEoLove85]

Alright so I think the next book I'm going to read is "Unfinished Business: What the Dead Can Teach Us About Life" by James Van Praagh.

After that I think I'll look into "Do Dead People Watch You Shower?" :lol: - looks interesting and amusing.

I'll let you guys know what I think when I'm done...if they are worthwhile reads. If any of you read stuff that you find interesting too, please do share with everyone!

LOL those do sound interesting. If my "to read" pile wasn't so huge already (book geek here) then I'd probably read this stuff. I still recommend The Conversations With God series by Neale Donald Walsh.

 

[mjbunny]

LOL those do sound interesting. If my "to read" pile wasn't so huge already (book geek here) then I'd probably read this stuff. I still recommend The Conversations With God series by Neale Donald Walsh.

Nooooo way, EO. Earlier I was in this thread I guess while you were writing this post, cuz I saw your name at the bottom of the page. Suddenly I thought of Conversations With God, like just out of the blue and thought I might recommend that, but then I got offline for a short while. Crazy I've only read the first one of his, but I'd definitely recommend it, yes! And also Journey of Souls by Michael Newton. It was I who suggested that one a while back, along with the next one: Destiny of Souls (which I still haven't read the whole thing of. First time someone borrowed it and lost it. This time I bought it again and then it got destroyed in a water leak, so it's like a big poofed up, warped creature right now. What's with that?!)

 

[Asedora]

I passed by Journey of Souls...I think it may have been mentioned before here too...I will have to add it to my list. I'll look into Spiritual Liberation too. I really liked a lot of the people on The Secret.
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I have read parts of Destiny of Souls written by the same author, Michael Newton I believe. It is OK to read but his understanding of afterlife does not fit me 100%. But it is not a big deal we agree and disagree, every soul will choose its own way imo.

Alright so I think the next book I'm going to read is "Unfinished Business: What the Dead Can Teach Us About Life" by James Van Praagh.

After that I think I'll look into "Do Dead People Watch You Shower?" - looks interesting and amusing.

Oh, thank you. I will look at at too. Sounds interesting.


Guys, just wanted to say, when I talk to ppl sometimes about religion and if I mention that I believe in reincarnation, some always ask me a question like that: If reincarnation exists why we do not remember anything from our previous lives? Instead giving them an answer, I always ask one question first: Do you remember what happened with you yesterday or one week ago? After that kind of “answer” ppl usually do not have any more questions :lol:
And it is really very obvious if we do not remember what we were doing one week ago how we can remember what we were doing in previous life? Simple as that.

I still recommend The Conversations With God series by Neale Donald Walsh.

I think I have read this one. If I remember he is “New Age” author? I remember that some parts I liked from this book but then I got bored... . he he

 

[CaptainEoLove85]

Nooooo way, EO. Earlier I was in this thread I guess while you were writing this post, cuz I saw your name at the bottom of the page. Suddenly I thought of Conversations With God, like just out of the blue and thought I might recommend that, but then I got offline for a short while. Crazy I've only read the first one of his, but I'd definitely recommend it, yes! And also Journey of Souls by Michael Newton. It was I who suggested that one a while back, along with the next one: Destiny of Souls (which I still haven't read the whole thing of. First time someone borrowed it and lost it. This time I bought it again and then it got destroyed in a water leak, so it's like a big poofed up, warped creature right now. What's with that?!)

lol yeah. I mentioned these books a couple times before in this thread too. I've actually only read the second and third book. Still haven't got the first and I don't know why. :doh:

I think I have read this one. If I remember he is “New Age” author? I remember that some parts I liked from this book but then I got bored... . he he

Yeah, they're new age. When I read them I just felt like they made a lot of sense and just confirmed how I felt about spirituality and religion all along.

 

[cyberjackson]

God it's been ages since I have posted here. Hi all. I recieved my Beginner's Guide book. It's interesting so far. A few chapters have been a bit confusing to read. Like I get thrown off by all of the technical shit.. but still reading through. I still believe in God and keeping an open mind. I love reading up on this kind of stuff!

amygrace - Ah so you read it all the way through already then...cool. Now that I finished that one I'm on the search for the next enlightening book. I think I'll search on Amazon for one right now in fact.

Hey, you should read "The Celestine Prophecy". It's really interesting and when I was reading it, I couldn't put it down! Then there's another book that follows called "The Tenth Insight"...I think that's was it's called.:scratch:
You should check it out!

Hope everyone is doing well. I have been feeling a little distant spiritually. I hope it comes back. I've stopped trying to meditate so much, because I was getting frustrated..and thought it was supposed to be relaxing. I will space it out and take my time with it.

I did have a dream tho..about meeting some of you. (It was supposed to be you guys anyway) I remember some people resembling amygrace, mjbunny, and I think Tinkerbell2 ?? I can't remember what it was all about though. :doh:

Oh and by the way, I am going to see the MJ Exhibition and then "Thriller Live" in London on Wed! Can't wait. I know I'll cry. Anyway, gotta love and leave for now!

 

[Bee]

Woooow, I'm behind! You guys go faaaast! Hahah....interesting convo's once again, I sooo love this thread.

I'm slowly becoming more and more interested in Buddhism. ... Michael was obviously not perfect. Just a human being like all of us. ...And then I think of how I always felt this ... spiritual connection and this amazing... I don't know what. And when I'm in a skeptical mood I ask, are we just freakin' delusional? Are we elevating him because of some internal need we have to have a spiritual leader of sorts (yes, he was a good guy, but are we pushing it way too far?) Michael, who ARE you??? :angel: (Sorry... I'm really tired right now and didn't even re-read that, so if it's nonsensical or weird... well, so it is :lol

This makes so much sense, I've been asking that often to myself as well. We all feel so strongly, so deep and so passionate and for me there's this deep deep understanding and relating to him, he showed me ways and helped me believe in myself....am I worshipping him at that moment? Sometimes I feel so strongly about his purpose here that I'm convinced he's something higher, and then right at the same moment I fully realize he wasn't perfect and just simply human, but...maybe that was a purpose too. For so many 'normal' human to have that perfect example of not having to be perfect, but be perfect....you know? :lol: Anyhow, as long as I feel how I 'behave' now towards him is good and I feel highly sane with it, then I'll just do what feels right. Don't know if there's even a wrong I could go, I'm too much aware of the whole situation and feelings on him. About the Buddhism; I've been digging a lot into that and I find it very interesting beliefs.

I've been searching for a long time, trying to figure out what I believe and what I don't. ....
And finally, finally, in the last number of months, things are beginning to fit for me. My beliefs have changed. All the reading, reflecting, meditating, talking, I'm doing, are changing my views. I now believe that Jesus was a prophet, was human, but certainly a super-evolved soul. He knew what his purpose was. I just think his message has been manipulated at times. So in this way, I can really see similarities between Michael and Jesus. Please let me be clear, I'm not disrespecting anyone else's beliefs. This is just my viewpoint on it. I'm not saying Michael was anything more than human. but I don't think Jesus was either. Although Jesus did seem to have a very clear knowledge of the higher dimensions, if you will. So I'm sure he was probably the most developed soul to come to earth.
I think we all have the potential to reach that stage, like you said, in a future life, to truly join with God/the universe/all-there-is. I think divinity is when our souls can get to full understanding, and communion with other souls. So I think we're all equal in that way, and our lives here help us to get closer and closer to that potential, until we reach it. So for me it's completely natural that Michael has caused this spiritual shift that you mentioned. I think he was a powerful energy here and a lot changed when he passed. I believe he's still in touch with us, still working here, but in a different way.
So yeah, like you, I catch myself sometimes putting him on a pedestal, and I wonder if that's a good idea or not. But I think he's here to teach us, and it's natural to admire a teacher, and a soul so evolved. But yes, he had faults, and I need to remind myself of that sometimes.

Agree with this so much, although I've never been raised with any sort of religion at all. Practically no one around me is religious, Dutch people are very reserved and 'do normal then you're crazy enough' is kind of the way it goes here with all. That's also why I don't fit in with my feelings of higher conciousness and my sensitivity...barely anyone understands this. :no: Once we come to such a subject as this and I carefully try to explain them how I see it (spiritual/religion etc.) they go....'uuuh okay? How do you get on with such ideas?'. Argh...so often I don't even go into it deeper because they just won't understand.:doh:
Though, I believe in some (religious) things like you just mentioned. Just by reading, meditating, experiencing...etc....all things fell on it's place and I think you are perfectly right with this explanation. I feel the same.

I believe in reincarnation too but on a way that souls sort of have to come back and they choose to came back to material world for improvement because in spiritual world it is important to be as closer as possible to divine source of creation (God). I believe there are many levels/spheres in Universe a single soul can stay depending of the quality of each soul. Also I believe that souls choose their destiny before they come here. This is why I never go to mediums because I do not want them to read my destiny and I do not want to change it if I won't like something they see. If I change it, how it is good for my soul if I will not pass the lesson was planned? Some very old souls are probably were sent from very high spheres to remind ppl in physical world about divinity.

Very interesting about not wanting to go to mediums, I've never really thought about how they could be able to see 'destiny's' or purposes. Hmmm. I doubt if anyone could though...I think purposes are something so deeply hidden in your soul, I often visualize it as this little package that you got with you and have to open up piece by piece throughout your life, haha. First thing needed though is to be able to recognize that you HAVE this package...which is why some people fail to be. You are still the one who decides to take on with this purpose, I feel it's some sort of test...that everyone gets this good purpose but when you fail to open yourself, to know yourself, to live yourself, then you fail the test and won't see shit. That's also why I'm so glad that I don't have these eyecaps on, that I DO feel....there's too many people around that don't, yet.:scratch:

I think that ultimately, we create our own reality, however we decide to live or think. So even when you die, you can choose to live by that way of thinking just as you did on Earth. ... But that just goes to show, even after you die, you adopt your same beliefs. You create your own reality...just as you did here. I've been reading some other books that talk about this kind of thing...how on the astral plane, there are groups of people that gather together with those that adopt the same beliefs... and that if some people believe that when they die they will see pearly gates in the clouds, then that is what they will experience.... as your thoughts can create and mold energies around you. Very interesting stuff.

This is exactly what I think and I've been wondering about that a lot, who would you gather with after death? Where can I go? Are there like...levels? Just as I am on my conciousness level now, will I go to a similar level there? What is there left of knowledge, beliefs and visions? Somehow I'd like to think that once we die we're all in the same good or bad and it's all joyfull, but I guess that's not the way it goes....therefore we're doing too much effort here on Earth and it wouldn't feel fair also if that was the case.

Ah , I'm so curious of how things develop after death....now even way more after Michael died and it feels so....not scary anymore. I guess we've talked about that before, how many of us wouldn't be scared to die anymore as well. Hmm..might be interesting thing to buy those books you guys mentioned to get some more insight.
Only thing is I have this list of all that I want to do yet time and space lacks! Boooo. :doh:

 

[souldreamer7]

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[amygrace]

LOL those do sound interesting. If my "to read" pile wasn't so huge already (book geek here) then I'd probably read this stuff. I still recommend The Conversations With God series by Neale Donald Walsh.

Ah yeah...I'll put that on my list too.

when I talk to ppl sometimes about religion and if I mention that I believe in reincarnation, some always ask me a question like that: If reincarnation exists why we do not remember anything from our previous lives? Instead giving them an answer, I always ask one question first: Do you remember what happened with you yesterday or one week ago?

Haha...I was just talking about this with my Dad a couple days ago. I was saying how I'm kinda peeved that we don't remember our past lives even when we die...I mean, it's not just there, we have to search through the akashic records if we are really curious. My Dad used the same kind of analagy as you...but about school. He said that it's not important that we remember every event we've experienced, what is important is that our soul carries the important lessons from the experiences. So for instance, we go through High School learning all kinds of stuff. Once we graduate, we only really carry with us the lessons that meant something to us...the lessons that will be useful to us. We don't remember every little lesson and every school day. Great analogy I think. And I do think that it would be most distracting to remember all of our past lives too, really. Hell, there's already memories I have in this life that I'd rather not have anymore. I'm sure the same goes for my past lives.

Hey, you should read "The Celestine Prophecy". It's really interesting and when I was reading it, I couldn't put it down! Then there's another book that follows called "The Tenth Insight"...I think that's was it's called.
You should check it out!

I've read the Celestine Prophecy! Great book indeed. It really gave me some pieces I needed for growth. I had looked into reading the other insights but my intuition told me I didn't need them. That's just me of course.

Very interesting about not wanting to go to mediums, I've never really thought about how they could be able to see 'destiny's' or purposes.

Just had to quote this 'cause it reminded me of a psychic session I once had where she was getting glimpses at past lives and at what I had planned for this life. I'll never forget the way she summed it all up in the most simplest of sentences..."you came here to shine as much as you could". I think that ultimately, that's everyone's underlying purpose, however they decide to go about it with different experiences. The more we learn and grow...the more we gather and practice love...we shed the darker energies and our soul becomes brighter. Michael was a perfect example of someone who just shined their whole life. And I'm not talking about stardom...about fame... but about the light in his soul just gleaming through him..in his countenance...through everything he did.


Side note, do you guys think this was Michael's last life on Earth? I mean, do you think he'll reincarnate? I've been thinking about this and, I think it was his last life. I think this was his one last incarnation where his soul purpose was to serve and help others...and he fulfilled that. I'm sure he made mistakes like the rest of us do, but I doubt he did anything in his life that would require karmic debt in another.

This is exactly what I think and I've been wondering about that a lot, who would you gather with after death? Where can I go? Are there like...levels? Just as I am on my conciousness level now, will I go to a similar level there? What is there left of knowledge, beliefs and visions?

Yeah I'm curious about all of that. That Begginer's Guide book really answered all those questions specifically too, another reason to pick it up and read it! But of course, that book is still one point of view. Much more research to be done.



Well, no Michael dreams for me lately...but I had an interesting dream last night that matches up with something else I dreamt recently. Kind of odd. I'm not sure what to make of it. Like a week or so ago I dreamt that this big lion and this huge ass snake were trying to kill me. It was a violent and scary dream. I was literally hands on fighting with the lion and his jaws...just...:bugeyed eep. Anyway, so early this morning I have a dream where I see this lion-snake. It's a snake that has fur and a head kind of like a lion. Then my view widens, and I see this lion laying next to this huge snake...and they are in love. I look at them and this sense of calm comes over me as I see how they are full of light and love...that they are content and I am not in danger. So I wake up and realize woah...2 dreams with a lion and snake...in one they are trying to kill me and in another there is peace. What the heck does that mean?!? It's gotta mean something...I can't write that off as crazy brain babble. Hmm. :scratch: EDIT: Ok I think it means that conflict has been resolved. The only conflict that I can think would have been resolved would be within myself over my ex (my daughter's father)...since I had that dream a few days back that I think I mentioned in here. Even though nothing has happened outwardly, on a soul level I think we did some serious work. Ahh, I love dreams!

 

[Neeve]

I have read parts of Destiny of Souls written by the same author, Michael Newton I believe. It is OK to read but his understanding of afterlife does not fit me 100%. But it is not a big deal we agree and disagree, every soul will choose its own way imo.

OK, that's interesting. Yeah I guess everyone's description of it is going to be coloured by their own beliefs. Like Amygrace said before, we create our own perceptions, so a lot of the time, what happens to people in the afterlife is what they expected to happen.....

Guys, just wanted to say, when I talk to ppl sometimes about religion and if I mention that I believe in reincarnation, some always ask me a question like that: If reincarnation exists why we do not remember anything from our previous lives? Instead giving them an answer, I always ask one question first: Do you remember what happened with you yesterday or one week ago? After that kind of “answer” ppl usually do not have any more questions :lol:
And it is really very obvious if we do not remember what we were doing one week ago how we can remember what we were doing in previous life? Simple as that.

nice answer!!
I also think that maybe what we learned in a previous life maybe won't help us that much here, but our higher selves can use the information to guide us. And when we reach the higher dimensions, then all that we have learnt is available to us.
Also, maybe if people grew up truly believing in past lives, we would be able to access them more.... Maybe we relive some of it in our dreams?

God it's been ages since I have posted here. Hi all. I recieved my Beginner's Guide book. It's interesting so far. A few chapters have been a bit confusing to read. Like I get thrown off by all of the technical shit.. but still reading through. I still believe in God and keeping an open mind. I love reading up on this kind of stuff!

Yeah, I loved it. I think all of these books help you to realsie what feels true to you. I recently read: "the truth feels as if you already know it". (maybe I posted that here before, can't remember)... so I think once you have an open mind, your intuition will guide you.

Hey, you should read "The Celestine Prophecy". It's really interesting and when I was reading it, I couldn't put it down! Then there's another book that follows called "The Tenth Insight"...I think that's was it's called.:scratch:
You should check it out!

Oh I've heard of that, but never read it..thanks for the tip!

Hope everyone is doing well. I have been feeling a little distant spiritually. I hope it comes back. I've stopped trying to meditate so much, because I was getting frustrated..and thought it was supposed to be relaxing. I will space it out and take my time with it.

At the moment I'm focusing on the chakras and learning more about them, so it's kind of giving a new direction to my meditation...I'm interested to see where it goes

Oh and by the way, I am going to see the MJ Exhibition and then "Thriller Live" in London on Wed! Can't wait. I know I'll cry. Anyway, gotta love and leave for now!

Oh cool! I was supposed to go in January (to the exhibition) but my flight to England was cancelled cos of snow...boo! Hope you have a great time!

Agree with this so much, although I've never been raised with any sort of religion at all. Practically no one around me is religious, Dutch people are very reserved and 'do normal then you're crazy enough' is kind of the way it goes here with all. That's also why I don't fit in with my feelings of higher conciousness and my sensitivity...barely anyone understands this. :no: Once we come to such a subject as this and I carefully try to explain them how I see it (spiritual/religion etc.) they go....'uuuh okay? How do you get on with such ideas?'. Argh...so often I don't even go into it deeper because they just won't understand.:doh:
Though, I believe in some (religious) things like you just mentioned. Just by reading, meditating, experiencing...etc....all things fell on it's place and I think you are perfectly right with this explanation. I feel the same.

I know what you mean....there are some friends of mine who would just think I've gone crazy if I told them about what we talk about here, lol! Isn't it weird that people react so strongly to this stuff? In my opinion, there's so much evidence that there are higher dimensions, but people who don't believe in it think we're the crazy ones..... That's another reason I love this thread - I can talk about things that I can't with most people around me.

Ah , I'm so curious of how things develop after death....now even way more after Michael died and it feels so....not scary anymore. I guess we've talked about that before, how many of us wouldn't be scared to die anymore as well. Hmm..might be interesting thing to buy those books you guys mentioned to get some more insight.
Only thing is I have this list of all that I want to do yet time and space lacks! Boooo. :doh:

Yeah, it really does feel not at all scary I know the feeling...I've a pile of like 6 books beside my bed, after the 4 I'm reading at the moment!

 

[Bee]

Haha...I was just talking about this with my Dad a couple days ago. I was saying how I'm kinda peeved that we don't remember our past lives even when we die...I mean, it's not just there, we have to search through the akashic records if we are really curious. My Dad used the same kind of analagy as you...but about school. He said that it's not important that we remember every event we've experienced, what is important is that our soul carries the important lessons from the experiences. So for instance, we go through High School learning all kinds of stuff. Once we graduate, we only really carry with us the lessons that meant something to us...the lessons that will be useful to us. We don't remember every little lesson and every school day. Great analogy I think. And I do think that it would be most distracting to remember all of our past lives too, really. Hell, there's already memories I have in this life that I'd rather not have anymore. I'm sure the same goes for my past lives.

Oh I loved this explanation, makes so much sense indeed. It would be nothing but fair to 'start fresh' and I guess you gotta sacrifice the good stuff you could take with you to leave the bad stuff behind as well. Sometimes I'm thinking of how it would be when there is....nothing..like..before I was born, would I have been nothing? It's so strange that you realize you are...nothing. Like, no thoughts, no body, no NOTHING. When I have this little 'realisation' I'm always getting a bit scared, anyone knows that feeling or am I just being crazy here? :lol: That's just to philosophize about possibilities, but I much more like to believe and feel I believe that there are indeed past lives / other levels and so on.

Side note, do you guys think this was Michael's last life on Earth? I mean, do you think he'll reincarnate? I've been thinking about this and, I think it was his last life. I think this was his one last incarnation where his soul purpose was to serve and help others...and he fulfilled that. I'm sure he made mistakes like the rest of us do, but I doubt he did anything in his life that would require karmic debt in another.

Interesting....never really thought about that. Thing is though that I don't see indeed how he would need another life to fulfill, he did so much in this and I think it might have been time for him to get those 'platinum wings' and serve on another level....he deserved that so much and I guess he just can still fulfill things and be even more powerful on that level. Probably the fact why he is still 'worshipped' in this new way of being and how he feels so powerful to us is also some kind of reward for him...he deserves all of this, even though there is much injustice going on, that's all happening on Earth and I'd like to believe he finally got this position as a reward for all the suffering, for passing the tests, being the best he could. :heart: Like, he can now burst out of the shell that's called Earth and let his soul speak even more, harder and better but on another, more beautiful level...I guess? Hmmm. So yeah, I think I believe it was his last life too...but that might be good, because I wish him this positive new 'being' instead of having another life in which he would probably be shortened.

Well, no Michael dreams for me lately...but I had an interesting dream last night that matches up with something else I dreamt recently. Kind of odd. I'm not sure what to make of it. ... Ahh, I love dreams!

Cool, that's a nice conclusion indeed. Awesome!

I also think that maybe what we learned in a previous life maybe won't help us that much here, but our higher selves can use the information to guide us. And when we reach the higher dimensions, then all that we have learnt is available to us.
Also, maybe if people grew up truly believing in past lives, we would be able to access them more.... Maybe we relive some of it in our dreams?

True, I've always felt we might get some sort of small insights through dreams...whether that is in past lives or other levels we can go into but ever since I was born I could not take on the 'dreams are just created from what you experienced on that day' and stuff. At least my dreams aren't, sometimes yeah...but the things I've been getting in dreams are too deep, crazy and meaningful to be 'just a dream'. For me, dreams are some sort of way to get better understanding, to see different views, get insight, to actually step out of your own thoughts and life and to learn from it. So past lives could be a very important role in that, also since dreams don't feel so timebased.

I know what you mean....there are some friends of mine who would just think I've gone crazy if I told them about what we talk about here, lol! Isn't it weird that people react so strongly to this stuff? In my opinion, there's so much evidence that there are higher dimensions, but people who don't believe in it think we're the crazy ones..... That's another reason I love this thread - I can talk about things that I can't with most people around me.

Yeah know what you mean, the word 'scary' or 'crazy' is probably the most used word to thrown at it when something goes beyond your own control. It's all about control anyway, people are afraid to be open and to consider other things so control and ignoring is the easy way to think you have sanity....really sad and I wish it would've been different, we'd have a much brighter planet going on if so.:doh:

 

[littlesparrow]

Very interesting discussions going on in here.
I'm really fascinated to hear everyone's insights.

I think I may order the Beginner's Guide book on Amazon today. I went to the bookstore in search of it yesterday, but it was out of stock.

 

[Neeve]

Ah yeah...I'll put that on my list too.

Haha...I was just talking about this with my Dad a couple days ago. I was saying how I'm kinda peeved that we don't remember our past lives even when we die...I mean, it's not just there, we have to search through the akashic records if we are really curious. My Dad used the same kind of analagy as you...but about school. He said that it's not important that we remember every event we've experienced, what is important is that our soul carries the important lessons from the experiences. So for instance, we go through High School learning all kinds of stuff. Once we graduate, we only really carry with us the lessons that meant something to us...the lessons that will be useful to us. We don't remember every little lesson and every school day. Great analogy I think. And I do think that it would be most distracting to remember all of our past lives too, really. Hell, there's already memories I have in this life that I'd rather not have anymore. I'm sure the same goes for my past lives.

oh wow, that's a brilliant explanation!

Interesting....never really thought about that. Thing is though that I don't see indeed how he would need another life to fulfill, he did so much in this and I think it might have been time for him to get those 'platinum wings' and serve on another level....he deserved that so much and I guess he just can still fulfill things and be even more powerful on that level. Probably the fact why he is still 'worshipped' in this new way of being and how he feels so powerful to us is also some kind of reward for him...he deserves all of this, even though there is much injustice going on, that's all happening on Earth and I'd like to believe he finally got this position as a reward for all the suffering, for passing the tests, being the best he could. :heart: Like, he can now burst out of the shell that's called Earth and let his soul speak even more, harder and better but on another, more beautiful level...I guess? Hmmm. So yeah, I think I believe it was his last life too...but that might be good, because I wish him this positive new 'being' instead of having another life in which he would probably be shortened.

oh, that's beautiful!!!

True, I've always felt we might get some sort of small insights through dreams...whether that is in past lives or other levels we can go into but ever since I was born I could not take on the 'dreams are just created from what you experienced on that day' and stuff. At least my dreams aren't, sometimes yeah...but the things I've been getting in dreams are too deep, crazy and meaningful to be 'just a dream'. For me, dreams are some sort of way to get better understanding, to see different views, get insight, to actually step out of your own thoughts and life and to learn from it. So past lives could be a very important role in that, also since dreams don't feel so timebased.

yes, I think they can be indications of something from highger levels, definitely!

Yeah know what you mean, the word 'scary' or 'crazy' is probably the most used word to thrown at it when something goes beyond your own control. It's all about control anyway, people are afraid to be open and to consider other things so control and ignoring is the easy way to think you have sanity....really sad and I wish it would've been different, we'd have a much brighter planet going on if so.:doh:

That's exactly what it is...people don't want to admit there are things they can't see or control..

Very interesting discussions going on in here.
I'm really fascinated to hear everyone's insights.

I think I may order the Beginner's Guide book on Amazon today. I went to the bookstore in search of it yesterday, but it was out of stock.

Yeah, I definitely recommend it

 

[Tinkerbell2]

Wow... You have discussed a lot! That´s a good thing.. I´m going to read back later

 

[Asedora]

Ah yeah...I'll put that on my list too.

Haha...I was just talking about this with my Dad a couple days ago. I was saying how I'm kinda peeved that we don't remember our past lives even when we die...I mean, it's not just there, we have to search through the akashic records if we are really curious. My Dad used the same kind of analagy as you...but about school. He said that it's not important that we remember every event we've experienced, what is important is that our soul carries the important lessons from the experiences. So for instance, we go through High School learning all kinds of stuff. Once we graduate, we only really carry with us the lessons that meant something to us...the lessons that will be useful to us. We don't remember every little lesson and every school day. Great analogy I think. And I do think that it would be most distracting to remember all of our past lives too, really. Hell, there's already memories I have in this life that I'd rather not have anymore. I'm sure the same goes for my past lives.

I am glad that so many ppl with different backgrounds without knowing each other came up with the same ideas.
It means that it could be right becuase our souls have natural "intuition". imo

Side note, do you guys think this was Michael's last life on Earth? I mean, do you think he'll reincarnate? I've been thinking about this and, I think it was his last life. I think this was his one last incarnation where his soul purpose was to serve and help others...and he fulfilled that. I'm sure he made mistakes like the rest of us do, but I doubt he did anything in his life that would require karmic debt in another.

I always had a feeling that he is a very old soul. I do not know but I can
sense that he is not going to reincarnate.
He had his puropse to be here for a short period of time. Later on I have read in his book Moonwalk, he was saying that he feels that he is an old soul. So I sensed it before I read his own words. Strange.

 

[mjbunny]

Hey, you should read "The Celestine Prophecy". It's really interesting and when I was reading it, I couldn't put it down! Then there's another book that follows called "The Tenth Insight"...I think that's was it's called.:scratch:You should check it out!

I ran into "The Celestine Prophecy" when it was very first released back in the early 90's. I walked into Barnes & Noble and there was a display of newly released stuff. I read the back and was like "whoa, cool!" The thing is, I read the entire book (couldn't put it down!) as if it were non-fiction. Somehow I missed that whole 'fiction' part of the description, so I thought the whole adventure had really happened as written. Once I found out some years later that it does indeed say it's fiction, I was like :doh:! What a dork :lol:

Agree with this so much, although I've never been raised with any sort of religion at all. Practically no one around me is religious, Dutch people are very reserved and 'do normal then you're crazy enough' is kind of the way it goes here with all. That's also why I don't fit in with my feelings of higher conciousness and my sensitivity...barely anyone understands this. :no: Once we come to such a subject as this and I carefully try to explain them how I see it (spiritual/religion etc.) they go....'uuuh okay? How do you get on with such ideas?'. Argh...so often I don't even go into it deeper because they just won't understand.:doh:

Bianca, I understand. I know it's hard to put an entire nation of people into one category, but most Germans are like that too! God forbid you mention anything spiritual or 'paranormal', because you may as well have announced that you're stupid and/or crazy. How sad. I'm a new agey hippie from the West Coast, with crystals and books about channeling! :bugeyed Quick! Call the Thought Police! I mean, I know they're not all like this (case in point: hubby & some folks in this thread), but it seems to be the prevailing attitude. I actually think many more here believe in these things than will publicly admit to it, for fear of ridicule. As for me... I'm the goofy American, so they can kiss my entire rear end! On one German MJ forum a thread like this started and was banned. Why? The reasoning was that hearing about psychics and contact with MJ would be obviously bad for mental health, if not downright dangerous. It could lead to delusional obsession and result in suicide! So no psychic talk! Yes, I'm serious. Talking about life after death can make you crazy and suicidal. W--T--F? (And anyone who tries to talk about it elsewhere gets shouted down right away.) Sometimes I feel like it's the 1950's around here. "Shhhh! :bugeyed Don't talk about such things!! What will the neighbors think?! And what if your boss find out?!!!" :smilerolleyes: (Just stating my opinion based on what I've witnessed in my 3 years here.)

Well, no Michael dreams for me lately...but I had an interesting dream last night that matches up with something else I dreamt recently. Kind of odd. I'm not sure what to make of it. Like a week or so ago I dreamt that this big lion and this huge ass snake were trying to kill me. It was a violent and scary dream. I was literally hands on fighting with the lion and his jaws...just...:bugeyed eep. Anyway, so early this morning I have a dream where I see this lion-snake. It's a snake that has fur and a head kind of like a lion. Then my view widens, and I see this lion laying next to this huge snake...and they are in love. I look at them and this sense of calm comes over me as I see how they are full of light and love...that they are content and I am not in danger. So I wake up and realize woah...2 dreams with a lion and snake...in one they are trying to kill me and in another there is peace. What the heck does that mean?!?

What's freaky about this is two weeks ago or so my husband dreamed of fighting with a giant crocodile. On that same night I dreamed of some creature that was like a crocodile or komodo dragon (?) but had FUR all over it like a mammal. It's like your lion-snake then! What's up with that? In my dream it was attacking people, but I wasn't really that afraid of it. I ended up killing it.

 

[Asedora]

Very interesting about not wanting to go to mediums, I've never really thought about how they could be able to see 'destiny's' or purposes. Hmmm. I doubt if anyone could though...I think purposes are something so deeply hidden in your soul, I often visualize it as this little package that you got with you and have to open up piece by piece throughout your life, haha. First thing needed though is to be able to recognize that you HAVE this package...which is why some people fail to be. You are still the one who decides to take on with this purpose, I feel it's some sort of test...that everyone gets this good purpose but when you fail to open yourself, to know yourself, to live yourself, then you fail the test and won't see shit. That's also why I'm so glad that I don't have these eyecaps on, that I DO feel....there's too many people around that don't, yet.:scratch:

Oh, well, nobody knows for sure anything :lol:
I will try to explain my own concept and probably it will make sense to you. It is very complex and I do not have a smooth concept yet which can perfectly answer all questions.
I believe that the soul when it comes back to a physical world knows it’s purpose from the beginning. It is sort of inner feeling you always have inside of you. Ppl just have to stop for a second and to look inside themselves to understand it. Basically you live your life and you do something in your life because you feel this purpose.
Destiny I think it is not quite the same as a purpose. From my point of view destiny you sort of create being here and you create your future. It is not stable it has sort of dynamic. The future sort of creates itself because you are doing something in PRESENT TIME because of your purpose. Future, this is what I call your destiny. When your future becomes present you live in it simply creating another future let say.
So, when you go to a medium they can read your future (and probably your purpose like Amy said). From my point of view let say, I worked so hard to be where I am now and if somebody with paranormal abilities will see my future, I will be able to change it or this person can change it. The question is that I am not sure if trough this change I will not lose my purpose. If I lose my purpose I will maybe live crazy life and do crazy things?
Also there are some issues with negative energies and how they will affect you. This world is not a Disney Land imo.
More complicated question is death time and type of death. I have a feeling that it could be chosen before. Some ppl know how they are going to die.

 

[littlesparrow]

I'm a new agey hippie from the West Coast, with crystals and books about channeling! :bugeyed Quick! Call the Thought Police! I mean, I know they're not all like this (case in point: hubby & some folks in this thread), but it seems to be the prevailing attitude. I actually think many more here believe in these things than will publicly admit to it, for fear of ridicule. As for me... I'm the goofy American, so they can kiss my entire rear end! On one German MJ forum a thread like this started and was banned. Why? The reasoning was that hearing about psychics and contact with MJ would be obviously bad for mental health, if not downright dangerous. It could lead to delusional obsession and result in suicide! So no psychic talk! Yes, I'm serious. Talking about life after death can make you crazy and suicidal. W--T--F? (And anyone who tries to talk about it elsewhere gets shouted down right away.) Sometimes I feel like it's the 1950's around here. "Shhhh! :bugeyed Don't talk about such things!! What will the neighbors think?! And what if your boss find out?!!!" :smilerolleyes: (Just stating my opinion based on what I've witnessed in my 3 years here.)

What's freaky about this is two weeks ago or so my husband dreamed of fighting with a giant crocodile. On that same night I dreamed of some creature that was like a crocodile or komodo dragon (?) but had FUR all over it like a mammal. It's like your lion-snake then! What's up with that? In my dream it was attacking people, but I wasn't really that afraid of it. I ended up killing it.

Oh, that's such a shame.
If you ask me, forcing someone to stay quiet about something they feel the need to really talk about and making them out to be delusional would be more likely to make a person feel "suicidal" than actually letting them say what is on their mind. :no:

I've noticed the same sort of attitude around here.
I grew up in a small, mostly white, Christian town in Massachusetts and this sort of talk would have resulted in being sent to the state ward ASAP.
I grew up between Buddhism (on my father's side) and Agnosticism (my mother), though, so I'm lucky to have a family that is generally more accepting of these ideas, and willing to talk about them.

But it's just so sad that subjects like this should be so taboo.
If anything, it's healthy to discuss spirituality, even if we are all just speculating.
Even if everything we think is totally incorrect, well, we are still making better use of our brains and developing our personal/mental/emotional capacities further than if we just took everything at face value and never bothered to ponder or philosophize, you know?

I guess it's a fear of the unknown thing? Or maybe it's been so commercialized and stereotyped for so long that your average Joe can't take it seriously anymore? I mean, you have all these ghost hunter tv shows and everything that kind of just discredit actual paranormal research and give it a bad name.

Don't know if anything I wrote makes sense, I'm a bit distracted, but anyway...

On a different note, MJ popped into my dream two nights ago, but it was rather disappointing for me.
I was on the set of maybe a short film of his, or a rehearsal. He was wearing a suit, and he was about 40.
There was some older woman there, dressed in red. I think she might have been his girlfriend or his wife or something. I kept trying to talk to him, but he sort of didn't care, and just kept following this woman around.
I remember feeling like some annoying little fangirl that was just bothering him. But I was irritated because he had specifically invited me to be there. :no:
I woke up feeling a little disappointed, needless to say. :rolleyes2:

 

[darlingdear]

Woow you guys, such amazing discussions on here! Definately will come back to read through more thoroughly.

I'm feeling very..sad about Michael. Like, I cried last night because I want him back so badly (Don't we all! ) I really was like asking in my head, please MJ please come back :boohoo:
Then I got real excited, I got TII, still blows me away. During one part I was watching I felt my heart get warm again, and this like warmth radiating around my chest, neck, shoulders, it was similiar to how I felt during the exhibition; this nice, loving feeling.
Okay and then I watched the extras, I don't wanna spoil it for anyone so don't read from here if you haven't got the DVD..spoilers I guess
basically there is this one part Memories of Michael and then one guy mentions how special MJ is, how he is a gift from God, how he was here to enlighten us, to teach us etc. and it just reminded me of what Barbara said. I got really choked up, looked over at my mother and she too was just teary eyed. And at certain points we would both just say 'awww' and get choked up. He truly is the most amazing, divine, beautiful, inspiring, gentle, caring, kind, innocent man. But there are far more words to describe him of course.
I can't watch the rest of the extras right now, I'm too at this moment.

Sorry to be all boohoo in this thread, I haven't had anything Michael related for ages. Maybe he can't reach me at the moment or something. I hope he's okay.

Anyway, I'm really enjoying everyone's thoughts in this thread, it is so amazingly deep, it's so much more than what the title lets people believe. Much love to you all here :heart:
I'm so glad this thread is here. :flowers:
Love you all :heart:

 

[amygrace]

Sometimes I'm thinking of how it would be when there is....nothing..like..before I was born, would I have been nothing? It's so strange that you realize you are...nothing. Like, no thoughts, no body, no NOTHING. When I have this little 'realisation' I'm always getting a bit scared, anyone knows that feeling or am I just being crazy here? :lol:

Hehe. Well, I don't think before we were born we were nothing...I mean if you go along the reincarnation theory, then we were just another soul from another life, preparing for our next. I'm sure many of us here in this thread are old souls. I haven't thought to look waaay back before my existence as an individual soul...but I sometimes think about our souls being eternal - and that freaks me out. Like...eternity...living, exisiting, FOREVER....omg that's just :bugeyed to me. And then I think, well however billions of years later maybe eventually we all just merge with our source...so we cease to exist as individuals just like before we were created as them...if that makes sense. Man I just can't think about that stuff.

I think it might have been time for him to get those 'platinum wings' and serve on another level....he deserved that so much and I guess he just can still fulfill things and be even more powerful on that level. Probably the fact why he is still 'worshipped' in this new way of being and how he feels so powerful to us is also some kind of reward for him...he deserves all of this, even though there is much injustice going on, that's all happening on Earth and I'd like to believe he finally got this position as a reward for all the suffering, for passing the tests, being the best he could.

I don't think it's so much about earning some grand position, but just that he's progressed as far as he could here...over however many lives he's had. We all will get there too. I think it's good to keep in mind that we are all the same and there is no class system. There is no "royalty" of sorts, there is simply people that have learned/progressed further. Just like...comparing a 5th grader and a 12th grader. They are the same, and not one is better or lower than the other. The 12th grader simply has more lessons under their belt... and the 5th grader can have those lessons too, if they go through all the grades.

I think I may order the Beginner's Guide book on Amazon today. I went to the bookstore in search of it yesterday, but it was out of stock. :sad:

Just shows how good it is for it to be out of stock Definitely order on Amazon...quick and easy. And then you have a package to look forward to. Hehe...that's what I love about ordering online. I love getting packages.

I ran into "The Celestine Prophecy" when it was very first released back in the early 90's. I walked into Barnes & Noble and there was a display of newly released stuff. I read the back and was like "whoa, cool!" The thing is, I read the entire book (couldn't put it down!) as if it were non-fiction. Somehow I missed that whole 'fiction' part of the description, so I thought the whole adventure had really happened as written. Once I found out some years later that it does indeed say it's fiction, I was like :doh:! What a dork :lol:

LOL...I went through the same thing! :doh: - still a great book with valuable concepts.

What's freaky about this is two weeks ago or so my husband dreamed of fighting with a giant crocodile. On that same night I dreamed of some creature that was like a crocodile or komodo dragon (?) but had FUR all over it like a mammal. It's like your lion-snake then! What's up with that? In my dream it was attacking people, but I wasn't really that afraid of it. I ended up killing it.

How weird. Wonder what that's all about. I think I remember dreaming of a crocodile a few months back too. I hate dreaming about animals that are attacking me...and I end up having to hurt or kill them to help myself. I'm very compassionate about animals and so I wake up ashamed. :no:

 

[amygrace]

I'm feeling very..sad about Michael. Like, I cried last night because I want him back so badly (Don't we all! ) I really was like asking in my head, please MJ please come back :boohoo:
Then I got real excited, I got TII, still blows me away. During one part I was watching I felt my heart get warm again, and this like warmth radiating around my chest, neck, shoulders, it was similiar to how I felt during the exhibition; this nice, loving feeling.
Okay and then I watched the extras, I don't wanna spoil it for anyone so don't read from here if you haven't got the DVD..spoilers I guess
basically there is this one part Memories of Michael and then one guy mentions how special MJ is, how he is a gift from God, how he was here to enlighten us, to teach us etc. and it just reminded me of what Barbara said. I got really choked up, looked over at my mother and she too was just teary eyed. And at certain points we would both just say 'awww' and get choked up. He truly is the most amazing, divine, beautiful, inspiring, gentle, caring, kind, innocent man. But there are far more words to describe him of course.
I can't watch the rest of the extras right now, I'm too at this moment.

:huggy: Feel better hon. I know what you mean about the extras too... I've had my DVD for over a month now but have only watched 2 of the extra features because it was all just making me too sad.

 

[mjbunny]

^ :hug: I want the DVD :whine: It comes out for us on Thursday. Since I won't be home that day I couldn't pre-order (if no one's home to answer the door, DHL will take the package back with them), and that night is MLP. So we have to hope that one of us can get clear across town to a DVD store before it closes that evening and that they have the 2-disc special edition TII in stock (wouldn't surprise me if they didn't get it on release day -- it's happened with other movies in this city :rolleyes2 Agh! :stress: I really want to watch TII before the prayer. To get me into the whole 'mood', you know.

 

[Bee]

Bianca, I understand. I know it's hard to put an entire nation of people into one category, but most Germans are like that too! God forbid you mention anything spiritual or 'paranormal', because you may as well have announced that you're stupid and/or crazy. How sad. I'm a new agey hippie from the West Coast, with crystals and books about channeling! :bugeyed Quick! Call the Thought Police! I mean, I know they're not all like this (case in point: hubby & some folks in this thread), but it seems to be the prevailing attitude. I actually think many more here believe in these things than will publicly admit to it, for fear of ridicule. As for me... I'm the goofy American, so they can kiss my entire rear end! On one German MJ forum a thread like this started and was banned. Why? The reasoning was that hearing about psychics and contact with MJ would be obviously bad for mental health, if not downright dangerous. It could lead to delusional obsession and result in suicide! So no psychic talk! Yes, I'm serious. Talking about life after death can make you crazy and suicidal. W--T--F? (And anyone who tries to talk about it elsewhere gets shouted down right away.) Sometimes I feel like it's the 1950's around here. "Shhhh! :bugeyed Don't talk about such things!! What will the neighbors think?! And what if your boss find out?!!!" :smilerolleyes: (Just stating my opinion based on what I've witnessed in my 3 years here.)

Lol, you're so right yet you never fail to make me laugh! :lmao: It's just sad how people can be so ignorant and try to turn it the other way around...just crazy. Can't really make more of it.

...
Destiny I think it is not quite the same as a purpose. From my point of view destiny you sort of create being here and you create your future. It is not stable it has sort of dynamic. The future sort of creates itself because you are doing something in PRESENT TIME because of your purpose. Future, this is what I call your destiny. When your future becomes present you live in it simply creating another future let say.
So, when you go to a medium they can read your future (and probably your purpose like Amy said). From my point of view let say, I worked so hard to be where I am now and if somebody with paranormal abilities will see my future, I will be able to change it or this person can change it. The question is that I am not sure if trough this change I will not lose my purpose. If I lose my purpose I will maybe live crazy life and do crazy things?

I now see what you meant, think I confused the purpose and destiny meanings. Hearing what might come up in your future would be interesting but indeed, who knows what it might destroy for you at the same time, when you live on with the thought of what is to come and to be able to change it. But then it's still the question also yeah, whether that medium is right or not...hmmm interesting. :lol:

On a different note, MJ popped into my dream two nights ago, but it was rather disappointing for me.
I was on the set of maybe a short film of his, or a rehearsal. He was wearing a suit, and he was about 40.
There was some older woman there, dressed in red. I think she might have been his girlfriend or his wife or something. I kept trying to talk to him, but he sort of didn't care, and just kept following this woman around.
I remember feeling like some annoying little fangirl that was just bothering him. But I was irritated because he had specifically invited me to be there. :no:
I woke up feeling a little disappointed, needless to say. :rolleyes2:

Aaaw, I hate such dreams...when you get all excited and then someone dissapoints you and lets you down. I've often awoke in this frustration and crying dissapointment and then thinking...oh wait, it was a dream. Lol. But aw, sorry for the dream!

I don't think it's so much about earning some grand position, but just that he's progressed as far as he could here...over however many lives he's had. We all will get there too. I think it's good to keep in mind that we are all the same and there is no class system. There is no "royalty" of sorts, there is simply people that have learned/progressed further. Just like...comparing a 5th grader and a 12th grader. They are the same, and not one is better or lower than the other. The 12th grader simply has more lessons under their belt... and the 5th grader can have those lessons too, if they go through all the grades.

You're right about that...we probably all once earn this position and be on one and the same level. I wouldn't consider him some sort of leader of all etc. but I do think he would have more 'power' or something than other people might have or get. So that wouldn't mean that he is some 'royal' type or higher than others and so is out of reach for us, but just that he is able to touch more souls and to shine on like the way he used to do here. At least that is what I hope...that you are able to get what you deserve, simply stated.


Hugs for everyone that's struggling with the DVD :better: - I got it on Saturday and still haven't watched it. I need to have the right mindstate and be able to really take it all in and let it just flow. Don't wanna rush it and stuff....hmm. Maybe I'll watch it on the 25th before the MLP, might be a good moment. :heart:

 

[amygrace]

Aw you guys...I'm doing this website for a metaphysical client of mine, and she had me dig up this old song called "It's In Every One Of Us". I remember John Denver singing it with the Muppets. I'm listening to Clay Aiken's really beautiful cover of it. Thought I'd share with you guys...just 'cause it kinda goes along with what we're talking about. Listening to it makes me feel all teary and warm inside...and kinda brings back that 'homesick' feeling that I get with Human Nature. The lyrics remind me of Michael...what he taught. Makes me miss him. I can imagine him doing a cover of this song.

It's in every one of us to be wise
Find your heart
And open up both your eyes
We can all know every thing
Without ever knowing why
It's in every one of us by and by

It's in everyone of us
I just remembered
it's like I been sleeping for years,
I'm not awake as I can be
but my seeing is better,
I can see ..
through the tears,
I've been realizing that,
I bought this ticket
and watching only half of the show,
There is scenery and lights
and a cast of thousands,
Who all know
what I know,
And it's good
that it's so ..

 

[littlesparrow]

Aw, that's lovely ^ :heart:
Thanks for sharing.