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Zenab, I'm so sorry to hear about your Grandfather. :(
Casey, hey! it's so great to see you back! :hug:
 
hi psychic thread, i have missed you all!! I have obviously missed waaaayyy too much to catch up, so i hope that you are all doing well and connecting with michael!! my life has been insanely busy and mjjc has taken a back seat to everything else :( i have even become fairly disconnected from michael. no dreams, no feelings, just sometimes thoughts about him. my new boyfriend knows how much i love him though and when he comes on the radio or on at the club we always dance to him which makes me happy :) i miss you all and i am going to try and make more efforts to get back!!

ps. i am sorry to hear about your grandfather :( mine is in the hospital with a 70% blocked heart. he is having open heart surgery monday.

I'm sorry to hear that your grandfather is in the hospital .. I hope he will get better soon, and that the surgery will go well .. :hug: :heart:
 
hi psychic thread, i have missed you all!! I have obviously missed waaaayyy too much to catch up, so i hope that you are all doing well and connecting with michael!! my life has been insanely busy and mjjc has taken a back seat to everything else :( i have even become fairly disconnected from michael. no dreams, no feelings, just sometimes thoughts about him. my new boyfriend knows how much i love him though and when he comes on the radio or on at the club we always dance to him which makes me happy :) i miss you all and i am going to try and make more efforts to get back!!

ps. i am sorry to hear about your grandfather :( mine is in the hospital with a 70% blocked heart. he is having open heart surgery monday.
Casey! Glad to see you pop your head back in here! :huggy: It's good that you're keeping busy, but I hope you're able to put aside more time for us here soon! Sorry to hear that your Grandfather is in the hospital with heart problems too. Sending healing energy to him. Hope his surgery goes well.
 
My grandpa just died.

I hope he can reach Michael.
Oh gosh...I'm so sorry. Hang on in there! :better:

hi psychic thread, i have missed you all!! I have obviously missed waaaayyy too much to catch up, so i hope that you are all doing well and connecting with michael!! my life has been insanely busy and mjjc has taken a back seat to everything else :( i have even become fairly disconnected from michael. no dreams, no feelings, just sometimes thoughts about him. my new boyfriend knows how much i love him though and when he comes on the radio or on at the club we always dance to him which makes me happy :) i miss you all and i am going to try and make more efforts to get back!!

ps. i am sorry to hear about your grandfather :sad: mine is in the hospital with a 70% blocked heart. he is having open heart surgery monday.
Caseeey! Haven't seen you here in ages guuuurl! I'm glad everything is going well out there, hope to see you here more often. :)
Missed ya! :huggy: Hope your grandpa is going to be okay!
 
My grandpa just died.

I hope he can reach Michael.

I'm so sorry to here this, girl :(
Love and hugs to you and your family :hug: :hug: :heart:


hi psychic thread, i have missed you all!! I have obviously missed waaaayyy too much to catch up, so i hope that you are all doing well and connecting with michael!! my life has been insanely busy and mjjc has taken a back seat to everything else :( i have even become fairly disconnected from michael. no dreams, no feelings, just sometimes thoughts about him. my new boyfriend knows how much i love him though and when he comes on the radio or on at the club we always dance to him which makes me happy :) i miss you all and i am going to try and make more efforts to get back!!

ps. i am sorry to hear about your grandfather :( mine is in the hospital with a 70% blocked heart. he is having open heart surgery monday.

I hope your grandfather's surgery goes well!
Love and hugs to you too :heart: :hug:
 
My grandpa just died.

I hope he can reach Michael.

I'm so sorry to hear that. :hug:

hi psychic thread, i have missed you all!! I have obviously missed waaaayyy too much to catch up, so i hope that you are all doing well and connecting with michael!! my life has been insanely busy and mjjc has taken a back seat to everything else :( i have even become fairly disconnected from michael. no dreams, no feelings, just sometimes thoughts about him. my new boyfriend knows how much i love him though and when he comes on the radio or on at the club we always dance to him which makes me happy :) i miss you all and i am going to try and make more efforts to get back!!

ps. i am sorry to hear about your grandfather :( mine is in the hospital with a 70% blocked heart. he is having open heart surgery monday.

Hey Casey, welcome back! :huggy: I hope your grandfather gets through his surgery ok.

I had a great dream last night. :D

I was at my house and turned on the TV. I did some channel surfing and then I was in the TV. This part was supposed to be a recurring dream, but it didn't feel like one. (Who knows though, maybe I did dream about this and I just don't remember.) I was riding in the back of a motor home/bus. The Muppets (yeah random) were driving. Some of them were hand puppets. I knew that Michael was in there. He was a teenager this time and I could see his fro peeking up from under the seats. Then I saw his eyes and part of his face and then he quickly ducked back down. I saw him, but I don't think he saw me. One of the Muppets, Waldorf (he was a hand puppet), told Michael that he should stay down. They were driving very carefully down the road and then they stopped at a gas station. I got out and went to the front of the motor home/bus. I saw that Michael was sitting up front with someone else. I lifted that person's head to see who it was, and it was Jackie Chan. I think I already knew it was him before I took a look. Then I gave Michael a quick hug, but then I thought to myself “no I'm not going to be satisfied with just that.” (I'm so happy my dream self finally got a clue :lol:) So, then I leaned over the seats again and really squeezed him. He didn't seem too happy with my “rough handling” of him. ;) He said something like “Oh geeze. Please don't. The girls are too much.”:lol: After that the dream kind of faded away so I was trying to continue it. I was still sitting at the gas station on the pavement and I started playing with these little toy people figures and talking in Michael and Jackie Chan's voices, trying to finish the dream/continue the story. It was kinda funny. :lol:
 
I'm so sorry, Zenab :hug:

Hope your grandfather is going to be alright, strawberrypie :hug:

Interesting that you dream of her often... and mjbunny too. Wonder if it's like mjbunny says how maybe she's just more open. I myself have never dreamt of her before.

I dream of LaToya like this as well and don't know why :lol: I've had several dreams in which we're friends or otherwise have long conversations. Why not Janet? Or Jermaine? Maybe LaToya seems more approachable to our subconscious? Or she's more open via dreams?
I don't know *shrugs* I see other family members as well.
 
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My grandpa just died.

I hope he can reach Michael.

Sorry to hear that :hug: I'm sure he's looking after you :)

hi psychic thread, i have missed you all!! I have obviously missed waaaayyy too much to catch up, so i hope that you are all doing well and connecting with michael!! my life has been insanely busy and mjjc has taken a back seat to everything else :( i have even become fairly disconnected from michael. no dreams, no feelings, just sometimes thoughts about him. my new boyfriend knows how much i love him though and when he comes on the radio or on at the club we always dance to him which makes me happy :) i miss you all and i am going to try and make more efforts to get back!!

ps. i am sorry to hear about your grandfather :( mine is in the hospital with a 70% blocked heart. he is having open heart surgery monday.

Hi! Glad to see you back here :) Hope your grandpa surgery goes well :hug: :heart:
 
Mrs Music - nice poem :yes:

My grandpa just died.

I hope he can reach Michael.
:( So sorry. Were you two close? My grandpa died in August. I also wondered if there was any contact with Michael in some way... :hug:

strawberrypie - Welcome back. And I hope your grandpa will recover alright :hug:

CaptainEOLove - Your dream was funny. The first dream I had with Michael really in it after he died was in July and he was driving an RV/motorhome type vehicle too! Not with Muppets however :lol: (omg, when I first read that all I could picture was MJ and Animal going nuts at the wheel :hysterical:), but we were going to save some missing girl in Nevada and MJ was driving while I was in the back with some others. And I'm glad I'm not the only one with Jackie Chan dreams, hehe. For some reason I have had dreams about him like 4 or 5 times over the past ten years. In one he died in a plane crash :mello: Nooo idea why I dream of him. I mean, a friend of a friend once dated him (yeah, wierd small world lol), but ... I don't think that's a sufficient reason ;)

I had such a weird dream. I know I was dreaming about Michael again most of the night, but probably not directly and I can't really remember. Then before I woke up I was dreaming that I had gone back to being 16 yrs old and a member of a family of many kids still living in Portland, OR's Pittock Mansion (beautiful house -- it's a museum now and my sister once took me there some years ago). We were all MJ fans and were planning some party in which we'd show clips from the Grammy Awards over the years in this one room at the end of the house. On my way there, though, I had to bring a beautifully embroidered Christmas stocking to my old office to pick up a cinnamon-flavored candy cane (wtf? lolol) from the security desk so I could bring it to Dumbledore (yes, Harry Potter) at the house. Well, it was all very convincing and I really felt part of the Pittock family. Now I'm going to check into it and see if they really had all these kids like the Von Trapps. It'll be freaky if so. It was like we lived in the museum and there were still tour groups going through. Very weird, but it felt nice, actually. (Update: Wow, they did have 6 kids and 18 grandchildren.)
 
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I was riding in the back of a motor home/bus. The Muppets (yeah random) were driving. Some of them were hand puppets. I knew that Michael was in there. He was a teenager this time and I could see his fro peeking up from under the seats. Then I saw his eyes and part of his face and then he quickly ducked back down. I saw him, but I don't think he saw me.
...........
Then I gave Michael a quick hug, but then I thought to myself “no I'm not going to be satisfied with just that.” (I'm so happy my dream self finally got a clue :lol:) So, then I leaned over the seats again and really squeezed him. He didn't seem too happy with my “rough handling” of him. ;) He said something like “Oh geeze. Please don't. The girls are too much.”:lol:
lolol...Michael and the muppets driving? omg. I'd think that'd be...a bit scary haha. And what's up with him not diggin' the love squeeze? :lol:


mjbunny said:
On my way there, though, I had to bring a beautifully embroidered Christmas stocking to my old office to pick up a cinnamon-flavored candy cane (wtf? lolol) from the security desk so I could bring it to Dumbledore (yes, Harry Potter) at the house.
Dumbledore? :lmao:
 
Thank all you guys for you're sweet messages about my grandpa. LOVE YOU ALL.

You are amazing.
 
OMG, I suddenly got all excited because of this :lol: :heart: (in the thread "When I was born, Michael was..."):
http://www.mjjcommunity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2639918&postcount=13
That's so adorable! Gonna look that up soon too. :lol:


Offtopic; had the most crazy dream about a huge crash once again, but now about a bus. It had no driver and I was in there with all kinds of people, and then we fell down into a ravine. God that was so scary! Then I cut all te windows open with this lifehammer (I kind of floated around that bus while it was falling) and when we finally hit the ground and everything stood stil, I saw people crawling out there...lots of blood, screaming, etc....I saw my family members coming out there, and then I saw you amygrace! :scratch:
So I started running for help, called the ambulance number but couldn't reach it, and then you, Amy, joined me to help. After we found help we walked back to the place, people started to walk around like zombies there, but then all of a sudden we saw your girl laying on the ground, Lyss, wrapped in a blanket. :bugeyed She opened her eyes once you talked to her and you started crying and thanking God and stuff. It was a horrible sight I can tell you, how everyone looked, so won't go into details. Then there came a helicopter to bring us to the hospital and that's where my dream ended by my alarm. Sooooo crazy once again! Damn.:no:
 
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Offtopic; had the most crazy dream about a huge crash once again, but now about a bus. It had no driver and I was in there with all kinds of people, and then we fell down into a ravine. God that was so scary! Then I cut all te windows open with this lifehammer (I kind of floated around that bus while it was falling) and when we finally hit the ground and everything stood stil, I saw people crawling out there...lots of blood, screaming, etc....I saw my family members coming out there, and then I saw you amygrace! :scratch:
So I started running for help, called the ambulance number but couldn't reach it, and then you, Amy, joined me to help. After we found help we walked back to the place, people started to walk around like zombies there, but then all of a sudden we saw your girl laying on the ground, Lyss, wrapped in a blanket. :bugeyed She opened her eyes once you talked to her and you started crying and thanking God and stuff. It was a horrible sight I can tell you, how everyone looked, so won't go into details. Then there came a helicopter to bring us to the hospital and that's where my dream ended by my alarm. Sooooo crazy once again! Damn.:no:
:bugeyed...woah, scary dream! I can't remember what I dreamt last night...I don't think it was anything scary...which was a nice break from the routine. Seriously, what's with all these crashing nightmares lately?!

Hope everyone has a great day today. It's all stormy and dreary here...thundering and lightning every 30 seconds. Bleh. I hate waking up in the morning and it's still looking dark outside.

Anyway, love to all of ya. :heart:
 
Hey everyone. :waving:

I had a dream with Michael in last night, even though it was really random. Basically, Michael was giving a speech about something, though I can't actually remember what exactly. We were sitting in what looked like a cinema, but without the actual screen lol. I distinctly remember we were given seat numbers, and I was in L1. Random I know. :lol: There were loads of people, and I remember being annoyed cause the people behind me kept talking. :lol: Anyway, finally Michael appeared, and looked like he did in TII. I seemed to fast foward to the middle of the speech, and he had paused for a minute. That's when I did the loudest hiccup ever, like seriously I suprised myself as to how loud it was. :lol: (How random though :mellow:) This of course, made everyone laugh, including Michael. :wub: :lol: Then I woke up. Haha, just thought I'd share with you guys.

Have a wonderful day. :flowers:
 
dreams of crashes and hiccuping, I don't know what to make of that! ;)

OK so I promised you guys I would post what Barbara Kaufman said about the reasons behind suffering, and Michael's in particular:


"I don't think it's so much about Karma and working out Karma as it is that the soul comes with a purpose. Sometimes the soul comes in for the purpose of teaching others. I believe Michael's soul came to teach, I think he chose his life in order to recruit and lead. He was part of the shift and the enlightenment. I think there is more learning to come from Michael. You asked about his suffering. My understanding is that the soul plans the life prior to incarnation. Michael absolutely is/was a Bodhisattva. He came to assist humanity. His suffering was not part of HIS lesson but part of OURS. I do not believe Michael's work is finished. But more about that in the future. I am in the process of developing some new skills and working with another shaman and we will see what will be revealed."


This all makes a lot of sense to me. That Michael's purpose was to enlighten and lead, to help in this spiritual shift, which I know all of us here are feeling. I must read more about Bodhisattvas...I looked up a little, and it seems it's a very enlightened person, like maybe a super-evolved soul, which I've always seen in Michael. Does anyone else know more about this?
I am interested to see what happens in the future, regarding what she said about Michael's work not being finished.
It makes me sad that a person would have to suffer so much in order to teach others.
So, what do you guys think?
 
dreams of crashes and hiccuping, I don't know what to make of that! ;)

OK so I promised you guys I would post what Barbara Kaufman said about the reasons behind suffering, and Michael's in particular:


"I don't think it's so much about Karma and working out Karma as it is that the soul comes with a purpose. Sometimes the soul comes in for the purpose of teaching others. I believe Michael's soul came to teach, I think he chose his life in order to recruit and lead. He was part of the shift and the enlightenment. I think there is more learning to come from Michael. You asked about his suffering. My understanding is that the soul plans the life prior to incarnation. Michael absolutely is/was a Bodhisattva. He came to assist humanity. His suffering was not part of HIS lesson but part of OURS. I do not believe Michael's work is finished. But more about that in the future. I am in the process of developing some new skills and working with another shaman and we will see what will be revealed."


This all makes a lot of sense to me. That Michael's purpose was to enlighten and lead, to help in this spiritual shift, which I know all of us here are feeling. I must read more about Bodhisattvas...I looked up a little, and it seems it's a very enlightened person, like maybe a super-evolved soul, which I've always seen in Michael. Does anyone else know more about this?
I am interested to see what happens in the future, regarding what she said about Michael's work not being finished.
It makes me sad that a person would have to suffer so much in order to teach others.
So, what do you guys think?

That makes sense to me too. I see Michael as a great teacher. :yes: Maybe even more so now after he passed away because it's kind of like a wake up call to some people. Hopefully it will continue through the generations.
 
dreams of crashes and hiccuping, I don't know what to make of that! ;)

OK so I promised you guys I would post what Barbara Kaufman said about the reasons behind suffering, and Michael's in particular:


"I don't think it's so much about Karma and working out Karma as it is that the soul comes with a purpose. Sometimes the soul comes in for the purpose of teaching others. I believe Michael's soul came to teach, I think he chose his life in order to recruit and lead. He was part of the shift and the enlightenment. I think there is more learning to come from Michael. You asked about his suffering. My understanding is that the soul plans the life prior to incarnation. Michael absolutely is/was a Bodhisattva. He came to assist humanity. His suffering was not part of HIS lesson but part of OURS. I do not believe Michael's work is finished. But more about that in the future. I am in the process of developing some new skills and working with another shaman and we will see what will be revealed."


This all makes a lot of sense to me. That Michael's purpose was to enlighten and lead, to help in this spiritual shift, which I know all of us here are feeling. I must read more about Bodhisattvas...I looked up a little, and it seems it's a very enlightened person, like maybe a super-evolved soul, which I've always seen in Michael. Does anyone else know more about this?
I am interested to see what happens in the future, regarding what she said about Michael's work not being finished.
It makes me sad that a person would have to suffer so much in order to teach others.
So, what do you guys think?


Thanks for posting what she said, Neeve :flowers:
Wow, she is always so right on with what she says about MJ.
Just like you, it makes me :cry: that he had to suffer so much to teach everyone.

I absolutely believe Michael was here to teach us all. He simply was.. otherworldly. You can trace his teachings through all of his songs, from his early years, to more recent times. As well as his actions throughout life, all the things he did to help people out all over the world. He was a divine man, and he taught us so much. All we have to do learn this is listen. With open hearts and minds. :heart:
He is so amazing. I love him so much, and I miss him :cry: :heart:
 
hmm scary dream also here.

I was waiting for a subway to come, and I was with these 3 other michael fans that I have met at events. So something was going on as far as terrorist and for some reason we chose the subway cause we knew we needed to get away from that area so were in the subway and for some reason cops were being weird about how many people they were letting on and closing the doors right away. So it seemed like evrybody else was clueless about the situatuion so the next train we waiting and jumped right on, the cops gave us dirty looks a. So we sat down all nervous as if something was about to happen. One of the people I was with walked up talk to the cops and came back and said "you guys better hold your breath." so we all agreed to jump off the next stop we did, and nothing happend except there was a little fire in the corner so we all laughed and said wow no reason to be worried and then for some strange reason my friend said "wait...hydrogen bomb" 0_o but we all looked at eachother as if we new and started booking out of the subway to the street and then we hard an explosion and then I woke up. The explosion and us running was all in slow motion like it would be in a movie. idk it was so weird, and random that it was all michael fans.

I think this is because everything ive been hearing in the news about terrorist and what not. I dont know why i have dreams like this, but it was scary, and I am certainly not going on the subway in the next couple of days.
 
On a positive note, I had a very strange, but comforting experiance the night before my nightmare.

I read this thing about people sending letters to those who had gone then putting them in a fire place in hopes that the ashes would reach heaven. I did just that. I wrote a long heartfelt letter to Michael, in the letter, I asked for a sign from Michael.
So at night, I had just gotten off the phone with my friend who is also a huge mj fan. we talked til about 2:30 in the morning. I was exhausted and finally decided to go to sleep.
I roll over and face my wall, thinking and trying to go to sleep. Now before I say this, my room is always hot, I mean always I hate cold unless its the summer and the air conditioner is on. Anyway all of a sudden I feel like someone is staring at me, like there is something in my room besides me. That's what I felt but I was scared stiff. I didn't roll over too look. So I shut my eyes and then I feel something on my arm, like a cold hand. My heart was racing so fast I said in my head "Michael, I know I asked for this, but im not ready im scared sh*tless" lmao im scared of everything. so then I felt whatever the cold was withdraw. Then I thought to myself, I asked for this, I have to accept this, I dont want him to go away and I said in my head "Michael its alrite" I was still scared as hell, but I felt the cold again and then I went to sleep right away.
I problay sound crazy as hell typing this xD. But I know what I felt, wether it was him or not who knows, but I really thought it was, like I felt his distinct presence.
 
hmm scary dream also here.

I was waiting for a subway to come, and I was with these 3 other michael fans that I have met at events. So something was going on as far as terrorist and for some reason we chose the subway cause we knew we needed to get away from that area so were in the subway and for some reason cops were being weird about how many people they were letting on and closing the doors right away. So it seemed like evrybody else was clueless about the situatuion so the next train we waiting and jumped right on, the cops gave us dirty looks a. So we sat down all nervous as if something was about to happen. One of the people I was with walked up talk to the cops and came back and said "you guys better hold your breath." so we all agreed to jump off the next stop we did, and nothing happend except there was a little fire in the corner so we all laughed and said wow no reason to be worried and then for some strange reason my friend said "wait...hydrogen bomb" 0_o but we all looked at eachother as if we new and started booking out of the subway to the street and then we hard an explosion and then I woke up. The explosion and us running was all in slow motion like it would be in a movie. idk it was so weird, and random that it was all michael fans.

I think this is because everything ive been hearing in the news about terrorist and what not. I dont know why i have dreams like this, but it was scary, and I am certainly not going on the subway in the next couple of days.

On a positive note, I had a very strange, but comforting experiance the night before my nightmare.

I read this thing about people sending letters to those who had gone then putting them in a fire place in hopes that the ashes would reach heaven. I did just that. I wrote a long heartfelt letter to Michael, in the letter, I asked for a sign from Michael.
So at night, I had just gotten off the phone with my friend who is also a huge mj fan. we talked til about 2:30 in the morning. I was exhausted and finally decided to go to sleep.
I roll over and face my wall, thinking and trying to go to sleep. Now before I say this, my room is always hot, I mean always I hate cold unless its the summer and the air conditioner is on. Anyway all of a sudden I feel like someone is staring at me, like there is something in my room besides me. That's what I felt but I was scared stiff. I didn't roll over too look. So I shut my eyes and then I feel something on my arm, like a cold hand. My heart was racing so fast I said in my head "Michael, I know I asked for this, but im not ready im scared sh*tless" lmao im scared of everything. so then I felt whatever the cold was withdraw. Then I thought to myself, I asked for this, I have to accept this, I dont want him to go away and I said in my head "Michael its alrite" I was still scared as hell, but I felt the cold again and then I went to sleep right away.
I problay sound crazy as hell typing this xD. But I know what I felt, wether it was him or not who knows, but I really thought it was, like I felt his distinct presence.

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Okay, your dream sounds really scary :bugeyed
I really hate dreams like that :( :hug:

Awww that is so cute about the letter thing! I'm sure that was Michael you felt, you are right, he does have a distinct energy/presence. (Something I have only felt once)
But that is cute, thank you for sharing it with us :flowers:


Zenab - Green means healing :angel:
 
hmm scary dream also here.

I was waiting for a subway to come, and I was with these 3 other michael fans that I have met at events. So something was going on as far as terrorist and for some reason we chose the subway cause we knew we needed to get away from that area so were in the subway and for some reason cops were being weird about how many people they were letting on and closing the doors right away. So it seemed like evrybody else was clueless about the situatuion so the next train we waiting and jumped right on, the cops gave us dirty looks a. So we sat down all nervous as if something was about to happen. One of the people I was with walked up talk to the cops and came back and said "you guys better hold your breath." so we all agreed to jump off the next stop we did, and nothing happend except there was a little fire in the corner so we all laughed and said wow no reason to be worried and then for some strange reason my friend said "wait...hydrogen bomb" 0_o but we all looked at eachother as if we new and started booking out of the subway to the street and then we hard an explosion and then I woke up. The explosion and us running was all in slow motion like it would be in a movie. idk it was so weird, and random that it was all michael fans.

I think this is because everything ive been hearing in the news about terrorist and what not. I dont know why i have dreams like this, but it was scary, and I am certainly not going on the subway in the next couple of days.

Wow, that´s really scary !! :heart: L.OV.E.! I don´t like bad dreams.. Well, I don´t think anybody likes bad dreams... :hug:
 
That makes sense to me too. I see Michael as a great teacher. :yes: Maybe even more so now after he passed away because it's kind of like a wake up call to some people. Hopefully it will continue through the generations.

definitely. I'm interested to see how it continues as well....it's pretty powerful to see little kids obsessed with him now - that's special!!!

Thanks for posting what she said, Neeve :flowers:
Wow, she is always so right on with what she says about MJ.
Just like you, it makes me :cry: that he had to suffer so much to teach everyone.

I absolutely believe Michael was here to teach us all. He simply was.. otherworldly. You can trace his teachings through all of his songs, from his early years, to more recent times. As well as his actions throughout life, all the things he did to help people out all over the world. He was a divine man, and he taught us so much. All we have to do learn this is listen. With open hearts and minds. :heart:
He is so amazing. I love him so much, and I miss him :cry: :heart:

you're welcome!
Yes, she has some great insights. I agree with you totally. There's so so much to his spirit/person/talent/goodness......it's so layered.
I know, the more I find out about him, the more I know him, the more I love him and the more I miss him. :better:

hugs to everyone!
 
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