I have exercised my constitutional rights as an American Citizen and a human being and made an official complaint to the authorities.
I'm sorry but some of y'all are crazy for trying to get DCFS involved. I know nothing is gonna come of the investigation... Also that would out the kids at risk. Let's just say that they are taken, after that they get put into the system. No one can magically come get them out of that system. If they cant go to a relative, they would probably be separated into different group homes for foster children until things are worked out. It will also be a big custody battle and things would just be a mess
This thread is the mother of over-reaction. Convince the kids will be allright.....Making my exit.
I know right, making organizations to tell someone how to raise their grandchildren when they're lives aren't in danger is a bit much. Michael is no longer his kids guardian, Katherine the woman he credits from his kind nature and humaitarian efforts is. The kids will be fine, Michael raised them well and from everything we've heard Katherine is continuing to do a good job.
these kids are with their grandmother...what on earth can the fans do? nothing!
please focus your attention on kids that actually need your help and that you actually can help
cuz there are many kids out there a lot worse off than ppb
I want to say a couple of things here:
Do NOT post pictures of the children here. You know very well this is not allowed.
DO NOT criticize people for having a different opinion from you. There is always room to disagree. No one here is able to decide when there is no more time for opposing views. This is a forum, there is always time for opposing views.
For those who want to get the authorities involved, I hope you understand the implications of all of this. I hope you understand the children really have no place else to go. Before you legally have Katherine deemed unfit, I hope you are prepared to open up your own home and fight legal battles to get the children so you can take care of them personally. I want to warn you to not be short sighted and think long term what might actually be in the best interests of the children, not just what will soothe you or your egos.
You can plan and release statements as you choose here and rally the fans to action. But you will not do so at the expense of the feelings of fellow members; making statements as if they are less than because they do not agree.
I will go through and clean this thread.
Please! We are fans, this is none of our business. The Jacksons are not evil, the children seem perfectly happy and healthy. This may be a misstep on Katherine's part, but I honestly doubt she is doing it out of greed or malice. It's not like she is torturing those children. Think about the consequences if the children should have to leave Hayvenhurst. They have nowhere else to go. Fans should not get involved in this. It's not our place and we could do more harm than good.
Also, everybody keeps mentioning this charity is fake. They are not. They have falsly used Michael's name and image, but they do really give money to charity, otherwise they would not have an official registration.
VERY TRUE! You think they're around vultures now, wait till they get taken by DCFS.
Please people do some research about what happen to children psyche in these cases before calling these people.
They are fake in the sense that they are trying to pass as MJ's charity. It is a FACT that a federal judge deemed they had link or affiliation with Michael Jackson or his estate.Also, everybody keeps mentioning this charity is fake. They are not. They have falsly used Michael's name and image, but they do really give money to charity, otherwise they would not have an official registration.
JACKSON FAMILY DECLARATION - Signed by Katherine on december 20th 2010 (only two months ago)
The declaration says:
"JACKSON FAMILY DECLARATION ON HEAL THE WORLD FOUNDATION
There have been a great del of discussion about the accomplishments of Michael Jackson, since his death. These primarily include his achievements in the field of music, dance and entertainment.
However, very little talk has been about the kind of man he was or his humanitarian work, or even his altruistic vision to improve the condition of mankind.
Michael really believed we could HEAL THE WORLD together and in 1991 he founded his own Charity Organization, called Heal the World Foundation.
Although Michael loved creating music and entertaining, he wanted his work to have a higher purpose. He wanted his music to change people for the better or at least make people want to change the world they lived in, by changing themselves.
Remember his man in the mirror song? The lyrics and others he wrote, including his HEAL THE WORLD song released in 1991, actually describe his vision for what would become his beloved Charity organization.
HEAL THE WORLD FOUNDATION
Michael was extremely sensitive to the pain of others around him, especially those that were the most vunerable, like children, animals and the elderly.
More and more he wanted to use the any resources or gift God had given him, to help those most vulnerable. Michael called them the "voiceless", those without a voice and he wanted to be their voice. He wanted all of us to be their voice.
Michael found a way he could leverage his fame, fortune and talents, to help people HEAL, all while creating his own programs through his Charity, that could use 'entertainment' to improve the Character of his fellow man and reduce human suffering simultaneously. Live-Aid, in 1985, was just one example of this attempt.
Since the earliest years of his Children's Charity, and the first wave of allegations of child abuse in 1993, to the day he passed away in 2009, Michael endured numerous public attacks on his integrity, false allegations and extortion attempts, all sidelining his focus away from his humanitarian work, its goal and his foundation. HTWF was nearly destroyed and most thought it was.
It was throygh the selfless vigilance of a small group of volunteers, that Michael Jackson's foundation was preserved throughout the years and survives today.
We are very proud to support the HTWF volunteers that made that possible, as they move forward with the work of Heal the World Foundation. These men and women deserve more than our gratitude, they derve our L.O.V.E and to show them that, we have invited them to help our Family relize Michael's humanitarian vision and preserve its legacy.
May God bless us all and Heal the World Foundation in its work to HEAL THE WORLD
Signed: Katherine Jackson
Date signed: 12/20 2010
Signed: ??? (Melissa Johnson???)
Date Signed: 12 20 10"
This is going to blow up into a big mess with Michael's kids being in the center
This is going to blow up into a big mess with Michael's kids being in the center
Why is Katherine Jackson under so much pressure to generate money?
What is really going on here is that there is "Michael Jackson" the PERSON, and "Michael Jackson" the brand. That brand/name is to be exclusively used by the estate, to generate more wealth. That wealth eventually goes to the CHILDREN. Money generated by Michael Jackson the BRAND, by Howard Mann, does NOT go to the children. In filing the lawsuit against Mann, the estate is protecting the children's interests. What is shocking is that the children are being used for promotion, for something that is counter to their own interests. Everyone get that? Hopefully?
I want to say a couple of things here:
Do NOT post pictures of the children here. You know very well this is not allowed.
Is the woman who announces the $10.000 donation the one who set up this fake HTW charity?
Edit: and where do they get $10.000 from anyway? Have people really been donating that much? :mello:
They have made these children THE FACE of HTW....thats what they are doing...using their last name and who their father is to promote this charity... Poor children.I posted the pictures because I though those pics were Ok to post. I belive Gaz or anyone of you guys said waay back that any pictures of the kids that are somehow from the estate/guardian are Ok to post.. l just assumed those pictures was Ok since Katherine is behind this, ie aware of the kids pics being put up on the website.
Sorry if I got it all wrong.
According to TMZ
"Earlier this week, Prince, Paris, and Blanket presented a check for $10K to the L.A. Housing Corporation -- a group that provides shelter for homeless families. Sources tell us Michael used to take his kids to volunteer with the group.
We're told the massive chunk o' change came from grandma Katherine Jackson's memorabilia biz."
Memorabilia biz = her book etc.
What is really going on here is that there is "Michael Jackson" the PERSON, and "Michael Jackson" the brand. That brand/name is to be exclusively used by the estate, to generate more wealth. That wealth eventually goes to the CHILDREN. Money generated by Michael Jackson the BRAND, by Howard Mann, does NOT go to the children. In filing the lawsuit against Mann, the estate is protecting the children's interests. What is shocking is that the children are being used for promotion, for something that is counter to their own interests. Everyone get that? Hopefully?
Exactly, thet's why the estate took them to court. The proper authorities will handle this. As for the kids welfare they are with their family where they belong and are prospering.I agree with the above.... Hopefully they will stop being so emotional and think rationally.
Also I talked to my sister who work for DCFS and she basically said they wouldn't do anything.
They are well fed... YEP
They aren't being abused... YEP
They live in an stable environment.. YEP
She told me that the matter about the contract and the charity is a court issue. The contract isn't illegal and the charity isn't a fraud. The charity is being sued because they cant use MJ name or image to promote it. Now whether the charity is using the funds how it's suppose to will decide whether it's a fraud or not. N I havent heard anything about them misusing funds as of yet. If they do then it's a fraud.
May God bless us all and Heal the World Foundation in its work to HEAL THE WORLD
Signed: Katherine Jackson
Date signed: 12/20 2010
Signed: ??? (Melissa Johnson???)
Date Signed: 12 20 10"
The thing I have realized almost 2 years now is that Michael's family hates that someone else is running Michael's business and money. They feel that is should be them because he was their family. He made a will and they need to respect what he wanted done. Michael's success wasn't their success. It was his. He worked long and hard for it. He always thanked his family and they all had success together when they first started but then it changed after that. It's not Michael's job to take care of everyone. Even now it's expected of him and that's not fair. At some point Michael shouldn't have to owe his family anything anymore. He did more than enough and they should be grateful for all he did. The best thing they could do to show that gratitude is to respect his wishes now.
They keep butting heads and go against the estate.It causes conflict even with the fans. Who do you support? The children are being used. This Howard Mann doesn't care about them and Michael wouldn't want his kids in an agreement with him. Michael was smart leaving everything to mainly his children and charities. Katherine is supported but that only lasts as long as she is living. It all goes back to the kids. When they are older hopefully they will carry what their father taught them and appreciate what he did for them. Michael loved his family but it has become painfully obvious that he wanted them separate from his business and for good reason.
The thing I have realized almost 2 years now is that Michael's family hates that someone else is running Michael's business and money. They feel that is should be them because he was their family. He made a will and they need to respect what he wanted done. Michael's success wasn't their success. It was his. He worked long and hard for it. He always thanked his family and they all had success together when they first started but then it changed after that. It's not Michael's job to take care of everyone. Even now it's expected of him and that's not fair. At some point Michael shouldn't have to owe his family anything anymore. He did more than enough and they should be grateful for all he did. The best thing they could do to show that gratitude is to respect his wishes now.
They keep butting heads and go against the estate.It causes conflict even with the fans. Who do you support? The children are being used. This Howard Mann doesn't care about them and Michael wouldn't want his kids in an agreement with him. Michael was smart leaving everything to mainly his children and charities. Katherine is supported but that only lasts as long as she is living. It all goes back to the kids. When they are older hopefully they will carry what their father taught them and appreciate what he did for them. Michael loved his family but it has become painfully obvious that he wanted them separate from his business and for good reason.