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Katherine Jackson speaks out about Conrad Murray

twinklEE said:
Undoubtedly Katherine's hurting, I never questioned her pain, but she's always shown more outrage over not getting as much money as she desires than over Murray's actions. If I were a mother I'd be screaming from the top of my lungs, nonstop over what Murray did to my child, she on the other hand only screams from the top of her lungs when it comes to monetary issues and the Estate of Michael Jackson. I'm sorry but I will never be able to look at Katherine the same way I did pre 2009. I'm biased when it comes to Michael, and damage is already done, it's irreversable. My perception of Katherine Jackson has changed, and no matter what she says or does now it won't change.
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agree with u completely.binding 3 minor to porn guy never gets old ,at least i am not going to forget how she used 3 minor for their own benefit and doing exactly opposite of Michaels wishes.
 
twinklEE said:
Undoubtedly Katherine's hurting, I never questioned her pain, but she's always shown more outrage over not getting as much money as she desires than over Murray's actions. If I were a mother I'd be screaming from the top of my lungs, nonstop over what Murray did to my child, she on the other hand only screams from the top of her lungs when it comes to monetary issues and the Estate of Michael Jackson. I'm sorry but I will never be able to look at Katherine the same way I did pre 2009. I'm biased when it comes to Michael, and damage is already done, it's irreversable. My perception of Katherine Jackson has changed, and no matter what she says or does now it won't change.
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I have to agree with everything you said.
 
twinklee;3364151 said:
undoubtedly katherine's hurting, i never questioned her pain, but she's always shown more outrage over not getting as much money as she desires than over murray's actions. If i were a mother i'd be screaming from the top of my lungs, nonstop over what murray did to my child, she on the other hand only screams from the top of her lungs when it comes to monetary issues and the estate of michael jackson. I'm sorry but i will never be able to look at katherine the same way i did pre 2009. I'm biased when it comes to michael, and damage is already done, it's irreversable. My perception of katherine jackson has changed, and no matter what she says or does now it won't change.
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gerryevans;3364493 said:
we've been given good reason to be conflicted about mrs. J, but i don't think there is a doubt for "most" that she loved her son and that his loss devastasted her. At the memorial where paris is sitting next to her and leaning her head on her shoulder, mrs. Jackson looked like she'd aged 10 years.

I believe she is what she appears to be, and that is a mother, who wants to take care of all her children, even though they are adults. How many mothers allow a woman with two sets of children from two of her sons to live with her for decades to help those sons meet their financial responsibilities, even if she has to use another son's resources to do so?

Perhaps her sense of obligation stems from all of her children at one time taking care of her. It was all her boys that signed with motown in ’69 and afforded her the opportunity to begin to live a life of luxury. I don't doubt if some other jackson sibling had mj's enormous gifts and had become the superstar, and michael hadn't, and mj needed financial help, she would have finagled to help him.

The problem is the lengths she's gone to and the people she's aligned herself with to keep all the family in a lifestyle that they just need to accept is now beyond them, and they are not entitled to, and cannot regain on the back of her dead son. Another problem with mrs. Jackson is how utterly clueless she appears to be about certain things, including knowing what to say and not to say in the press, and the unfortunately negative impression she's formed with some extremely bad decisions and actions.
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amen!!!
 
Help is one thing, you help out once, twice, thrice, four times, etc etc. but living off a man for almost your ENTIRE adult life?!, raising your children and even trying to raise your grandchildren off the money of another sibling?! This is not about help it's about leeching, these people took and still take Michael for granted, they feel entitled to HIS money, though they did NOTHING to earn it. That's just so doggone wrong on SO MANY levels. PERIOD. They never treated him as a person but rather a commodity, they feel it's right to make his children work for them, they are trying to steal from his children (it does NOT matter if they've already got enough or not), you do NOT steal, you do NOT steal from your own. you do NOT steal from anyone. You don't try to take away something from someone that belongs to him/them, which you are NOT entitled to. The problem the Jackson's have is the jealousy issue they still haven't been able to over come, after over 30 years, they have a hard time of accepting basic facts of life. Michael did more than enough for everyone of them, enough is enough. Michael does not owe these people just because they sang the backing vocals to his songs 45 years ago. It was him who was blessed, it was him who worked his ass off, to achieve whatever he did. Maybe if they hadn't spent 20 years of their lives, making babies and abandoning women, maybe if they had concentrated on whatever craft they claim to have, maybe if they hadn't been delusional enough to think they could compete with Michael- who was miles away, even then- maybe they would've been able to have something of their own going, maybe if they had worked hard enough they'd be known for more than just being another Michael sibling/brother/sister.
 
i'M SORRY BUT THIS LADIES SON HAS DIED. HAVE WE FORGOTTEN THIS FACT?
 
kindofdisco said:
Well, I do think it's realistic as fans of Michael to respect what he respected, or at least as you said, to keep an open mind. It just hurts me to see all this negativity towards Katherine.
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Fans had nothing but love for katherine before. But because of some of her actions ppls opinions have changed.ppl get judged on their actions.u cant blame ppl for changing their opinions when such actions are carried out by others
 
angelofinnocence said:
i'M SORRY BUT THIS LADIES SON HAS DIED. HAVE WE FORGOTTEN THIS FACT?
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No we have not forgotten that fact, but it's ALSO very, very hard to ignore all of the OTHER STUFF. If EVERYTHING didn't seem to revolve around MONEY, I'm sure folks would think differently.

Just my humble opinion.
 
gerryevans;3364493 said:
We've been given good reason to be conflicted about Mrs. J, but I don't think there is a doubt for "most" that she loved her son and that his loss devastasted her. At the memorial where Paris is sitting next to her and leaning her head on her shoulder, Mrs. Jackson looked like she'd aged 10 years.

I believe she is what she appears to be, and that is a mother, who wants to take care of ALL her children, even though they are adults. How many mothers allow a woman with two sets of children from two of her sons to live with her for decades to help those sons meet their financial responsibilities, even if she has to use another son's resources to do so?

Perhaps her sense of obligation stems from ALL of her children at one time taking care of her. It was ALL her boys that signed with Motown in ’69 and afforded her the opportunity to begin to live a life of luxury. I don't doubt if some other Jackson sibling had MJ's enormous gifts and had become the superstar, and Michael hadn't, and MJ needed financial help, she would have finagled to help him.

The problem is the lengths she's gone to and the people she's aligned herself with to keep all the family in a lifestyle that they just need to accept is now beyond them, and they are not ENTITLED to, and cannot regain on the back of her dead son. Another problem with Mrs. Jackson is how utterly clueless she appears to be about certain things, including knowing what to say and not to say in the press, and the unfortunately negative impression she's formed with some extremely bad decisions and actions.
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thank you for your post and I agree ..she thinks she has to take care of them all...its to bad she is put in that position...a woman of her age...it just sad.
 
twinklEE said:
Help is one thing, you help out once, twice, thrice, four times, etc etc. but living off a man for almost your ENTIRE adult life?!, raising your children and even trying to raise your grandchildren off the money of another sibling?! This is not about help it's about leeching, these people took and still take Michael for granted, they feel entitled to HIS money, though they did NOTHING to earn it. That's just so doggone wrong on SO MANY levels. PERIOD. They never treated him as a person but rather a commodity, they feel it's right to make his children work for them, they are trying to steal from his children (it does NOT matter if they've already got enough or not), you do NOT steal, you do NOT steal from your own. you do NOT steal from anyone. You don't try to take away something from someone that belongs to him/them, which you are NOT entitled to. The problem the Jackson's have is the jealousy issue they still haven't been able to over come, after over 30 years, they have a hard time of accepting basic facts of life. Michael did more than enough for everyone of them, enough is enough. Michael does not owe these people just because they sang the backing vocals to his songs 45 years ago. It was him who was blessed, it was him who worked his ass off, to achieve whatever he did. Maybe if they hadn't spent 20 years of their lives, making babies and abandoning women, maybe if they had concentrated on whatever craft they claim to have, maybe if they hadn't been delusional enough to think they could compete with Michael- who was miles away, even then- maybe they would've been able to have something of their own going, maybe if they had worked hard enough they'd be known for more than just being another Michael sibling/brother/sister.
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thank you Twinklee excellent post...:clapping:
 
She made me really cry, some of you fans need serious help, if you think this woman is just pretending to be sad about the death of her son, it's so obvious that she is in tremendous pain.
 
shba1 said:
Wow you must really dislike this woman, don't forget she is Michael's mother the woman he loved with all his heart. She is a mother grandmother please have some respect.
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KJ has made too many horribly poor decisions since June 09 that the "she's Michael's mother" card has become almost inappropriate and to some degree offensive. People are here to celebrate the life and legacy of MJ and NOT his mother-- one should NOT lose sight of that basic fact. So, anything they see in her, or anyone else for that matter, that is not consistent with the wishes and values of MJ will be subject to criticism. that's the way it is and since when is criticism synonymous to disrespect?
 
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Big Apple2 said:
Is that ANOTHER Howard Mann "production?" Or is Katherine Jackson being interviewed by a journalist?

I ask because, in my opinion, Mann is NOT going to reap any profit from selling his MJ tee-shirts and whatnot, so the only remedy to that would be SELLING various clips of Mrs. Jackson talking about a variety of MJ related topics.

Just wondering.
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Good point.
 
I think Katherine was sad but her actions after MJ's death were very money grubbing to me. Right away they were inquiring about the will and his assets. The family tried to make her in charge right.. It was sad.. In my opinion I don't believe that Katherine watched out for MJ enough either in his childhood or his adult hood. She stood by and watched Joe beat and mentally abuse MJ and as an adult she didn't watch over who her son befriended and she didn't warn about the snakes and leeches who would eventually kill him. I still can't get over the fact that Joe told Katherine to go and see Mike a couple of days before he died because Joe felt he looked sick and frail. According to Joe, Katherine didn't go over there. What mother doesn't go and visit their child if he looks frail and sick?

Why did Kenny Ortega know something was wrong, but Katherine didn't? I wonder if Katherine feels some guilt over MJ's death?
 
I do not disagree that Katherine has many poor decisions of late- Howard Mann, comments about Michael 'having a nose like a toothpick' etc, but I still feel that she is Michael's mother and have always held her in high regard. I was never that supportive of the other Jacksons apart from her except Janet-when she was younger and not into all the sexy stuff). But I suppose what recent events teach us is that the Jacksons are human-beings full of faults, flaws and mistakes- and so is Katherine. She has disappointed me in the above ways but I'm praying that she will find her way back from her grief and make some better decisions for PPB. I do think that grief does funny things to people. Michael had a problem judging people and being too trusting. Maybe Katherine is the same. I feel for her and what lies ahead in the coming months. She had lost her son- her baby boy and this cannot be undone.
 
StacyJ said:
I think Katherine was sad but her actions after MJ's death were very money grubbing to me. Right away they were inquiring about the will and his assets. The family tried to make her in charge right.. It was sad.. In my opinion I don't believe that Katherine watched out for MJ enough either in his childhood or his adult hood. She stood by and watched Joe beat and mentally abuse MJ and as an adult she didn't watch over who her son befriended and she didn't warn about the snakes and leeches who would eventually kill him. I still can't get over the fact that Joe told Katherine to go and see Mike a couple of days before he died because Joe felt he looked sick and frail. According to Joe, Katherine didn't go over there. What mother doesn't go and visit their child if he looks frail and sick?

Why did Kenny Ortega know something was wrong, but Katherine didn't? I wonder if Katherine feels some guilt over MJ's death?
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I have the same problems with Mrs. Jackson you stated above and to be honest I'm struggling with a lot of anger toward her. I believe she is hurting over the death of her son but her main concern seems to be how to break his wishes and spend the money he wanted to go to his children. I'm torn because she is old and a mother and we are taught to respect that but she has made it hard for me. I shouldn't be surprised because her main concern when he was a child was also the money he generated. Michael was away from her for months on end working to exhaustion and getting brutally beaten whenever his father felt like it. He needed a mother and she wasn't there. She saw him shortly before he died and never notice anything wrong but his father did. He asked her to go over and check on MJ but her mother radar never kicked in and now he's gone forever. Why didn't she go take care of her son?
 
Victory22 said:
I have the same problems with Mrs. Jackson you stated above and to be honest I'm struggling with a lot of anger toward her. I believe she is hurting over the death of her son but her main concern seems to be how to break his wishes and spend the money he wanted to go to his children. I'm torn because she is old and a mother and we are taught to respect that but she has made it hard for me. I shouldn't be surprised because her main concern when he was a child was also the money he generated. Michael was away from her for months on end working to exhaustion and getting brutally beaten whenever his father felt like it. He needed a mother and she wasn't there. She saw him shortly before he died and never notice anything wrong but his father did. He asked her to go over and check on MJ but her mother radar never kicked in and now he's gone forever. Why didn't she go take care of her son?
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thank you for this post...I fully agree..:(
 
Resa said:
"He had notes around," she recalled. "'Discipline with love.'"
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During the Part II of LWMJ she said, '' Joseph didn't beat up the kids or anything. We just disciplined them out of love, and

the Bible says......."
 
twinklEE said:
Help is one thing, you help out once, twice, thrice, four times, etc etc. but living off a man for almost your ENTIRE adult life?!, raising your children and even trying to raise your grandchildren off the money of another sibling?! This is not about help it's about leeching, these people took and still take Michael for granted, they feel entitled to HIS money, though they did NOTHING to earn it. That's just so doggone wrong on SO MANY levels. PERIOD. They never treated him as a person but rather a commodity, they feel it's right to make his children work for them, they are trying to steal from his children (it does NOT matter if they've already got enough or not), you do NOT steal, you do NOT steal from your own. you do NOT steal from anyone. You don't try to take away something from someone that belongs to him/them, which you are NOT entitled to. The problem the Jackson's have is the jealousy issue they still haven't been able to over come, after over 30 years, they have a hard time of accepting basic facts of life. Michael did more than enough for everyone of them, enough is enough. Michael does not owe these people just because they sang the backing vocals to his songs 45 years ago. It was him who was blessed, it was him who worked his ass off, to achieve whatever he did. Maybe if they hadn't spent 20 years of their lives, making babies and abandoning women, maybe if they had concentrated on whatever craft they claim to have, maybe if they hadn't been delusional enough to think they could compete with Michael- who was miles away, even then- maybe they would've been able to have something of their own going, maybe if they had worked hard enough they'd be known for more than just being another Michael sibling/brother/sister.
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And he is a complete stranger, not their son, brother, uncle. What's the sin committed here.? Right now people all our the world are doing what MJ willingly did, and a hell of a lot more. And damn proud to do it.

People stop the obssesive, malicious meddling in the Jacksons lives. Fix the only person you can fix.....YOU.
 
passy001 said:
KJ has made too many horribly poor decisions since June 09 that the "she's Michael's mother" card has become almost inappropriate and to some degree offensive. People are here to celebrate the life and legacy of MJ and NOT his mother-- one should NOT lose sight of that basic fact. So, anything they see in her, or anyone else for that matter, that is not consistent with the wishes and values of MJ will be subject to criticism. that's the way it is and since when is criticism synonymous to disrespect?
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Exactly.
 
max000 said:
And he is a complete stranger, not their son, brother, uncle. What's the sin committed here.? Right now people all our the world are doing what MJ willingly did, and a hell of a lot more. And damn proud to do it.

People stop the obssesive, malicious meddling in the Jacksons lives. Fix the only person you can fix.....YOU.
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You start donating if u feel he owed them more, you send them your money as Michael Jackson regardless of whatever you may feel felt enough is enough, and don't come up with some kind of shitty conspiracy nonsense when it comes to the trust and will. All you people have is fiction facts is something you have never heard of. Doing a lot more?! LMAO continue to live in lala land.
 
I agree with what she says here. I am heartbroken when I see her, especially those shots of her and Michael together. God bless her and the family.

Edit: To the comments above, which I just read, regardless of what they did in the past, Michael is gone now and she is still his mother. I think she deserves some respect for that. I don't think Michael would like to hear people badmouthing his family.

It's just not right. Life is hard, people make bad decisions, but I'm sure Michael loved his mother very much and you can see that they love Michael. No one is perfect, be understanding.

Is she in more wrong than Conrad Murray?
 
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Here we go again. ANYTHING about any of the Jackson family will get the same ciriticism from the same people.
 
I hold back a lot on Mrs. Jackson because she is Michael's mother and I am trying hard to respect her because she is 80 but as I said before she is not making it easy for me to like her at all.
 
gerryevans;3364493 said:
We've been given good reason to be conflicted about Mrs. J, but I don't think there is a doubt for "most" that she loved her son and that his loss devastasted her. At the memorial where Paris is sitting next to her and leaning her head on her shoulder, Mrs. Jackson looked like she'd aged 10 years.

I believe she is what she appears to be, and that is a mother, who wants to take care of ALL her children, even though they are adults. How many mothers allow a woman with two sets of children from two of her sons to live with her for decades to help those sons meet their financial responsibilities, even if she has to use another son's resources to do so?

Perhaps her sense of obligation stems from ALL of her children at one time taking care of her. It was ALL her boys that signed with Motown in ’69 and afforded her the opportunity to begin to live a life of luxury. I don't doubt if some other Jackson sibling had MJ's enormous gifts and had become the superstar, and Michael hadn't, and MJ needed financial help, she would have finagled to help him.

The problem is the lengths she's gone to and the people she's aligned herself with to keep all the family in a lifestyle that they just need to accept is now beyond them, and they are not ENTITLED to, and cannot regain on the back of her dead son. Another problem with Mrs. Jackson is how utterly clueless she appears to be about certain things, including knowing what to say and not to say in the press, and the unfortunately negative impression she's formed with some extremely bad decisions and actions.
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re: the bolded part What kind of a mother... A controlling parent, one who won't let the apron strings be cut, a parent who facilitates the neediness and dependency of her/his children... That's what struck me when I read that...
 
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