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Katherine Jackson speaks out about Conrad Murray

sorry but that is wrong angiej! Really.. im not copying anything i dont even live in the states!!!
Whatever there doing YOU dont know why, you dont know them personally! And michael gave more interviews one with geraldo riviera and says he loves his fam. They were there always
and yes they made mistakes also in my eyes. but if somebody comes after your mother you be angree too
so he is not here to protect his fam, so we as FANS MUST
 
Me what I know,it's when I will die, my mother will never make shit fake business with porn producers and people who hurted me when I was alive.
 
so you are not forgiving? you cant look behind the media? you cant support people who michael loved??
Those thing michael stood for.. michael wants children to connect with there parents and fam, the kids dont have michael but HaVe there fam, allow them to do that they have enough shit and lies and hate they dont need it from us
I wanna separete me from that
I wanna see i support the fam
 
I swear my heart hurt when he talked about the sock with wet sand because it doesn't leave bruises! Oh dear God, my poor luv...:cry:
Thanks for posting this xthunderx2. The sound of his lovely voice.:wub:
He said Latoya told the truth and he was torn between his mother and Latoya. Is that because of Latoyas book?
As Diplomate says this is a "wonderful" family
 
Ingelief said:
sorry but that is wrong angiej! Really.. im not copying anything i dont even live in the states!!!
Whatever there doing YOU dont know why, you dont know them personally! And michael gave more interviews one with geraldo riviera and says he loves his fam. They were there always
and yes they made mistakes also in my eyes. but if somebody comes after your mother you be angree too
so he is not here to protect his fam, so we as FANS MUST
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Do whatever you please, don't dictate others what to do.
 
Mike's family sucks and it's so obvious they do.. They are all liars and they only want to save themselves.
 
ilmjj said:
I swear my heart hurt when he talked about the sock with wet sand because it doesn't leave bruises! Oh dear God, my poor luv...:cry:
Thanks for posting this xthunderx2. The sound of his lovely voice.:wub:
He said Latoya told the truth and he was torn between his mother and Latoya. Is that because of Latoyas book?
As Diplomate says this is a "wonderful" family
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your welcome....yes it is VERY difficult to hear Michael's voice..it is kind of a bitter sweet. It is terrible to hear him talk about what Joe did to him as a kid...Joe really does need to rot in hell...with Murray.
 
xthunderx2 said:
the saying was.."tight nit my ass"....:D
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It really puzzles me why people so easily using Glenda tapes to prove their point. This was private conversation with a friend, recorded illegally, without Michael's knowledge. Now, those who never let their frustration out while speaking with a close friend, please raise your hands. And how many of those who did share their feelings (negative or positive) with their friends over the phone expect their private conversations to be recorded and then to be discussed in public?
 
justnat said:
It really puzzles me why people so easily using Glenda tapes to prove their point. This was private conversation with a friend, recorded illegally, without Michael's knowledge. Now, those who never let their frustration out while speaking with a close friend, please raise your hands. And how many of those who did share their feelings (negative or positive) with their friends over the phone expect their private conversations to be recorded and then to be discussed in public?
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It doesn't make it untrue though, in fact it makes his feelings more clear and honest, because he's not speaking publically. It may have been obtained illegally, but his words still speak volumes.

By this logic we should also ignore the Evan Chandler tape and not use it to MJ's defense, because it was recorded illegally.
 
serendipity said:
It doesn't make it untrue though, in fact it makes his feelings more clear and honest, because he's not speaking publically. It may have been obtained illegally, but his words still speak volumes.

By this logic we should also ignore the Evan Chandler tape and not use it to MJ's defense, because it was recorded illegally.
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Well. I do not respect Evan Chaldler's privacy one bit, but I do respect Michael's privacy. I believe that Michael made very clear over the years that his relationship with his family, especially with Joe was, let's say, VERY complicated. However, Michael also made very clear how he felt about his privacy. So, I personally prefer to stick to Moonwalk (not working tapes, but Moonwalk itself) , Oprah interview, Bashir interview (but including outtakes which Bashir conveniently cut), Oxford speech, etc., etc. I take Shmuley tapes with grain of salt because I don't know what part of those tapes would make to the book if Michael had a final say.
By the way, I by now means said that "Glenda tape use" approach is bad or wrong. This approach simply puzzles me.
 
justnat said:
It really puzzles me why people so easily using Glenda tapes to prove their point. This was private conversation with a friend, recorded illegally, without Michael's knowledge. Now, those who never let their frustration out while speaking with a close friend, please raise your hands. And how many of those who did share their feelings (negative or positive) with their friends over the phone expect their private conversations to be recorded and then to be discussed in public?
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This was not the Glenda tapes it was Michael talking to the fake Rabbi
 
Justthefacts said:
This was not the Glenda tapes it was Michael talking to the fake Rabbi
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I realized that. When you were replying, I was editing my post above and addressed fake Rabbi's tapes too.
Well, this goes well off topic, sorry for that.
 
justnat said:
I realized that. When you were replying, I was editing my post above and addressed fake Rabbi's tapes too.
Well, this goes well off topic, sorry for that.
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I am sorry if I offended you by using these tapes as evidence as to how Michael felt about his family...however..how much more honest can Michael get than this? It is his OWN words..I know Michael was a very private person...but it is not good for people to believe that the Jackson's were one big happy family ..because they were NOT...and Michael made no excuses for that. He loved his family of course he did...it is just that Michael was to much of an angel NOT to forgive their sorry asses..even Joe the Devil that he is.

EDIT...also his will speaks for itself..Michael was a smart man..he KNEW who had his back and who didn't.
 
xthunderx2 said:
I am sorry if I offended you by using these tapes as evidence as to how Michael felt about his family...however..how much more honest can Michael get than this? It is his OWN words..I know Michael was a very private person...but it is not good for people to believe that the Jackson's were one big happy family ..because they were NOT...and Michael made no excuses for that. He loved his family of course he did...it is just that Michael was to much of an angel NOT to forgive their sorry asses..even Joe the Devil that he is.
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Oh no, you did not offend me :) I simply think that Michael was quite honest about his family publicly, and there is no need to resort to private conversations. Even "Joe the devil" is not so simple judging by Oxford speech, which I can take any day over private conversations which are suppose to be none of my business. But all this is merely my opinion.

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EDIT...also his will speaks for itself..Michael was a smart man..he KNEW who had his back and who didn't.
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That's true. And here - back to the topic, we are, after all, in "Katherine Jackson speaks about Conrad Murray" tread :) He was very smart cutting his family from his money. But I also believe that he was very smart naming his mother the guardian of his children. Mrs. Jackson, of course, is not above criticism, and her business dealing over the last two years made me scratch my head more than once. However, I strongly believe that Michael knew his mother much better than me, you or any other fan. In fact, he knew his mother for 50 years. And I trust his judgment.
 
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justnat said:
Oh no, you did not offend me :) I simply think that Michael was quite honest about his family publicly, and there is no need to resort to private conversations. Even "Joe the devil" is not so simple judging by Oxford speech, which I can take any day over private conversations which are suppose to be non of my business. But all this is merely my opinion.



That's true. And here - back to the topic, we are, after all, in "Katherine Jackson speaks about Conrad Murray" tread :) He was very smart cutting his family from his money. But I also believe that he was very smart naming his mother the guardian of his children. Mrs. Jackson, of course, is not above criticism, and her business dealing over the last two years made me scratch my head more than once. However, I strongly believe that Michael knew his mother much better than me, you or any other fan. In fact, he knew his mother for 50 years. And I trust his judgment.
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ok..you got me..:)..I agree with your posts...I don't like ease dropping on the Angel either...I like you do respect his privacy..I just couldn't resist posting that tape...:D And yes he knew what he was doing when it came to Katherine and the children..I just think she has to many people whispering in her ear.
 
To me, Michael is more honest in private conversations than in public interviews. He was above trashing anyone in public, sans SONY, and would definetely not have trashed his family in public.
 
xthunderx2 said:
ok..you got me..:)..I agree with your posts...I don't like ease dropping on the Angel either...I like you do respect his privacy..I just couldn't resist posting that tape...:D And yes he knew what he was doing when it came to Katherine and the children..I just think she has to many people whispering in her ear.
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This. Plus, people tend to forget that she is, for heaven's sakes, 81 years old. I don't think that she is not in her right mind, but by this age people tends to become quite stubborn and, on the other hand, tend to believe other people more easily. This is again just my observation, I had plenty of very old relatives.
And again back to the topic, I totally agree with what she is saying regarding Murray, I think it is painful to watch her because she is clearly grieving and I don't have any problem with her flower business - after all, there are no porn producer lurking nearby trying to get his hands of Michael's trademarks.

Rhilo said:
To me, Michael is more honest in private conversations than in public interviews. He was above trashing anyone in public, sans SONY, and would definetely not have trashed his family in public.
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Here were disagree. I feel that Michael's was quite honest both in private conversations and in public interviews and speeches. The difference for me is in the word "private". Michael was a private person and suffered from the invasion of privacy.
 
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ok but maybe its also true that he felt both wayS? i also getr angry at my fam, and if i spoke on the phone in private i would also be harsh but that doesnt mean i dont love them. also i think michael spoke out about joes abuse so maybe he spoke also out the truth in public about really loving his fam.. like he once said everyone is different like every other familys
but things happen every fam has some scandel in the fam little or big or things you disaprove off what they did.. especially with big familys
 
I don't feel any sympathy for Katherine at all...In my opinion she wasn't a good mother. She stood by and allowed her superstar young son to be abused by his father and she stood by and allowed MJ to be taken advantage of.. As MJ grew older, she did nothing to help him at all... She had to know MJ was having some form of difficulty in his life with the vitiligo and burns etc. Did she help him seek counseling for his pain? When he was attacked by the media and abandoned was she there to help him psychologically?.. when her son started having plastic surgery which she believed to be excessive, did she seek help for him? Katherine did nothing to help her son at all.. she was standing by with Joe begging MJ to sign up for the AllGood concert so her 'other' kids could get some income.

She didn't care that MJ was losing weight and looking frail. Didn't Joe tell her to go and check on him? she didn't even go over there. I feel no sympathy at all for her.
 
StacyJ said:
I don't feel any sympathy for Katherine at all...In my opinion she wasn't a good mother. She stood by and allowed her superstar young son to be abused by his father and she stood by and allowed MJ to be taken advantage of.. As MJ grew older, she did nothing to help him at all... She had to know MJ was having some form of difficulty in his life with the vitiligo and burns etc. Did she help him seek counseling for his pain? When he was attacked by the media and abandoned was she there to help him psychologically?.. when her son started having plastic surgery which she believed to be excessive, did she seek help for him? Katherine did nothing to help her son at all.. she was standing by with Joe begging MJ to sign up for the AllGood concert so her 'other' kids could get some income.

She didn't care that MJ was losing weight and looking frail. Didn't Joe tell her to go and check on him? she didn't even go over there. I feel no sympathy at all for her.
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you have some good points and i agree with much of it but, at the same time, mj was grown man and made his own decisions

his mother couldnt stop him from doing what he wanted to do
 
its your opinion diplomate u cant say truth.
I have my own opinion, and im not the only one who has that opinion.
 
justnat said:
Here were disagree. I feel that Michael's was quite honest both in private conversations and in public interviews and speeches. The difference for me is in the word "private". Michael was a private person and suffered from the invasion of privacy.
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I wasn't questioning his honesty. He loved his family no doubt, yet he despised their actions sometimes. So while he berated their behaviour in private ("tight knit, my ass!") he strictly spoke about his love for them in interviews; he would never have said the comment in brackets in public. Honest on both occasions, but selective in what he says.

Michael was a human being capable of all emotions. He was not some one dimensional character, the type you find in movies. He felt both love, disappointment and anger towards his family as his life went on, and taped private conversations attest to that.
 
Rhilo said:
I wasn't questioning his honesty. He loved his family no doubt, yet he despised their actions sometimes. So while he berated their behaviour in private ("tight knit, my ass!") he strictly spoke about his love for them in interviews; he would never have said the comment in brackets in public. Honest on both occasions, but selective in what he says.

Michael was a human being capable of all emotions. He was not some one dimensional character, the type you find in movies. He felt both love, disappointment and anger towards his family as his life went on, and taped private conversations attest to that.
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nicely said
 
Ingelief said:
its your opinion diplomate u cant say truth.
I have my own opinion, and im not the only one who has that opinion.
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Lol, yes let's investigate to know if Mann is really a porn producer and Jonhson a stalker, let's investigate....

You wanna bet that I'm right ?

I gonna win a lot, you gonna lost straight. :lol:
 
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