July 28, 2009 Jackson's doc administered anesthetic that authorities believe killed the pop star

[pamarella]

Re: Jackson's doc administered anesthetic that authorities believe killed the pop star

first of all. Do you ppl honestly, and try and use you head on this one, do you think for a second that michael just up and pulled diprivan out of his head and then doctor shopped to get it. UMMMMM NO! The nurse didn't even know what it was. So surely michael wouldn't have known either. Think for a second folks. Someone with extensive medical schooling introducted diprivan to michael. :doh:

Now after you have processed that bit. Ask WHY was any good doctor recommend or even suggest this dangerous drug to michael when they are countless other safer alternatives for sleep then diprivan. :doh:

With that said. How can anyone blame michael for wanted this and believing it was safe to use when he used it before and everything went fine. of course he believed it was safe he was a witness that it was, plenty of times. And he was right, it was since he hadn't ran into any problems before hand. When diprivan is administered properly it is safe. I could take it right now and be fine if I have the right doctor do it.


And I have no problem accepting the truth but im not just going go blaming michael especially when I don't have all the facts, michael point of view, and when ppl are known for lying on michael.

Diprivan is not to be used outside of a hospital. NEVER!!!!. Michael Jackson should not have been given Diprivan, I don't care what his problem was. I don't care what doctor gave this drug to Michael, it was point blank wrong and he paid with his life.

No one is blaming Michael. How and why he ended up with doctors who gave him this drug is beside the point, Michael is dead from it.

 

[qbee]

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when using this iv diprovan it says your suppose to use heart monitor and also machine to monitor oxygen levels in the blood .with alarms to alert the doctor if any go below certain levels.
no machines were found.

yes that is troubling _ that the doctor didnt have that In Mjs room
very negligent on his part _

he shoudl have also had a difibulator or other means to resusitate like they do in
a hospital setting Just in case there were any complications being a cardiolisgist
he should have taken these saftey procautions but in reality.

Undesirable side effects such as cardiorespiratory depression are likely to occur at higher blood concentrations
which result from bolus dosing or rapid increase in infusion rate. An adequate interval (3 to 5 minutes) must
be allowed between clinical dosage adjustments in order to assess drug effects.
http://www.drugs.com/pro/diprivan.html

 

[mjjmsc]

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probably the doctors use this drug in the hospital during the trial.Michael needed sleep more then anything in those moments.so probably Michael knew that drug from there!but in any circumstancies the doctor shouldn't administer the drug now!now Michael needed treatement,help to deal with his demons ,not drugs!

 

[krism]

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little while ago i was watching the news and they said authorities are moving in on the doctor but i think this is still speculation because nobody has confirmed it and everyone seems to be repeating each other. one thing that was new that i hadnt seen before the insider has released footage of a very drugged michael jackson talking nonsense and rambling. and i remember entertainment tonight released footage from several years ago too so he obviously had drug issues and this isnt a new thing.

 

[krism]

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about the diprovan. i remember reading that oxygen cannisters were found in michael's bedroom. but people are right diprovan should not be used outside a hospital. the thing is when youre a celebrity you can obtain drugs the rest of us cant. even my own doctor wont prescribe certain drugs because she knows they are highly addictive and is watching out for my best interests - even if i dont always agree with her.

 

[mjjmsc]

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Michael was not a drug addict!at least we the fans should defend him!but this sleeping drug would make anyone ramble...i know a lot of doctors that instead of treating this sleeping disorders they just give pills...and i'm talking about normal people not stars that take for years this drugs instead of really being treated!

 

[krism]

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i dont know if michael was an addict or not. im trying to keep an open mind about everything and anything because theres so much footage and stories of people talking and its hard to know if all the stories are true. basically the stories of michael jackson using drugs are nothing new. they have been reported for years. and if he was an addict its not that surprising to me because prescription drug abuse is widespread. for all we know he might have liked the buzz from certain drugs? then again he might have been using drugs to help him with his insomnia or other issues? the press is all over the place and in todays media its really hard (if not impossible at times) to know what is fact and what is rumour. even if its proven he was a drug addict i hope people dont turn against him or blame him for it because everyone on this planet has issues and we all have different ways of coping and just because someone takes drugs doesnt make them a bad person.

 

[krism]

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likewise about the comments of michael needing treatment versus people giving him drugs to treat his issues that sort of goes to the heart of the matter. we live in an era where people are overly medicated and doctors are over prescribing for their patients. treatment (therapy) can take a lot longer and for many doctors its easy to just write their patient a script for pills and then go to the next patient because they have so many customers

 

[djbaby]

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i dont know if michael was an addict or not. im trying to keep an open mind about everything and anything because theres so much footage and stories of people talking and its hard to know if all the stories are true. basically the stories of michael jackson using drugs are nothing new. they have been reported for years. and if he was an addict its not that surprising to me because prescription drug abuse is widespread. for all we know he might have liked the buzz from certain drugs? then again he might have been using drugs to help him with his insomnia or other issues? the press is all over the place and in todays media its really hard (if not impossible at times) to know what is fact and what is rumour. even if its proven he was a drug addict i hope people dont turn against him or blame him for it because everyone on this planet has issues and we all have different ways of coping and just because someone takes drugs doesnt make them a bad person.

Michael has spoken about and acknowledged issues he has had with prescription meds previously. He made a public statement in '93 and went into rehab, and in court documents from 2007 he acknowledged there were issues in 01-02. What is the video where he's talking gibberish, what are you referring to - can you please provide a link? I suspect you might be referring to a deposition he gave in a songwriting court dispute but I need to see it. Thanks.

 

[qbee]

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Michael was not a drug addict!at least we the fans should defend him!but this sleeping drug would make anyone ramble...i know a lot of doctors that instead of treating this sleeping disorders they just give pills...and i'm talking about normal people not stars that take for years this drugs instead of really being treated!

do you understand that the medicine supposedly Mj was given
is not a narcotic or sleeping pill _ Its doesnt make you drowsey
it doesnt make you high _ it just knocks you out .. SLEEP

BUT it is dangerous to use it for the purpose of a sleeping aide.

It is an anisthetic used during surgery to put you out immedialty
It is an IV drip and you wake up as soon as it is turned off

NO one is saying MJ was taking this to get hight or becuase he
was an addict _ he was taking it to sleep and wake up with
NO drowsey or side effect _ Diprivan is not a narcotic pain killer
or sleeping pill an it is not adictive or even a controlled substance.

 

[johnmj]

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i cant believe a doctor could be so stupid or careless unless it was pre meditated.

he should have made damn sure he had all the equipment before using this drip.

 

[mjjmsc]

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do you understand that the medicine supposedly Mj was given
is not a narcotic or sleeping pill _ Its doesnt make you drowsey
it doesnt make you high _ it just knocks you out .. SLEEP

BUT it is dangerous to use it for the purpose of a sleeping aide.

It is an anisthetic used during surgery to put you out immedialty
It is an IV drip and you wake up as soon as it is turned off

NO one is saying MJ was taking this to get hight or becuase he
was an addict _ he was taking it to sleep and wake up with
NO drowsey or side effect _ Diprivan is not a narcotic pain killer
or sleeping pill an it is not adictive or even a controlled substance.

i'm really glad you clear this up for everybody!it really bugs me when people say Mike was a drug addict when he just having a bad problem sleeping and the doctors were incompetent!

 

[krism]

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Hi, I've tried to find the video where Michael is drugged and slurring his words and you can see it at this link http://www.theinsider.com/videos (theres a Michael Jackson picture on the righthand side down the bottom - click on his face and it will play the video). Its gonna be on the next Insider tv program according to the video - also Tito is giving them an exclusive interview about his brother's problem with prescription drugs

 

[Conspiracy]

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He could have died any day during the last years! If he had taken this before. Im glad he did not die during the trial! OMG, that would have been even worse.

I can't belive Michael was "murdered". Why did all bad things happen to him.

But you have to blame MJ too, how could he take this shit?! needles and shit in his body, oxygen. He should have been more aware of what side effects it could cause, or atleast thought about his children.

 

[johnmj]

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taking prescription drugs for various ailments doesnt mean your a drug addict.
85% of americans are on meds too they live on the stuff.

 

[krism]

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It's kind of depressing all the talk about drugs but its gonna be interesting seeing what Tito has to say on the next Insider program. My one hope at the end of the day when all the stuff about drugs and who did what and who lied and who was an enabler is put to rest that people remember Michael for the music and not for the scandals.

 

[lilsusie]

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MJ was a patient, he just wanted to SLEEP and doctor said it's okay to use it so he used it!!!! He's not at fault. The doctor killed him!!!!!!!!!
why the fuck are you blaming MJ? The doctor killed him yet you are blaming him? Is it your fault if some doctor kill you due to negligence?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Hi, I've tried to find the video where Michael is drugged and slurring his words and you can see it at this link http://www.theinsider.com/videos (theres a Michael Jackson picture on the righthand side down the bottom - click on his face and it will play the video). Its gonna be on the next Insider tv program according to the video - also Tito is giving them an exclusive interview about his brother's problem with prescription drugs

the family need to keep their mouths shut instead of feeding the media agenda. clueless.

 

[pamarella]

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taking prescription drugs for various ailments doesnt mean your a drug addict.
85% of americans are on meds too they live on the stuff.

Well if you are refering to Michael, then this is useless. Michael Jackson himself said that he was addicted to prescription medicine. And I am listening to the legal analyst on CNN and they are saying if Dr. Murray goes to trial you can bet that his lawyers are going to bring up Michael's drug history. Also if it's true that Michael used Diprivan in the past with other doctors, Dr. Murry is going to walk. He will probably get sued by the Jackson family for mal practice, but he will not go to prison.

 

[MJsJelly]

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I knew it

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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talking media heads said he was guilty on 14 counts aswell. they are desperate to blame mj and excuse this doctor.mj drug history is irrelvent is negligent manslaughter to give this drug outside of a hospital

 

[krism]

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+1. if Dr. Murray goes to trail its gonna be an ugly court case. Claims and counterclaims will be flying all over the place so I can only imagine what effect that might have on the family and fanbase. Its actually pretty scary to think about just how ugly this all could get

Well if you are refering to Michael, then this is useless. Michael Jackson himself said that he was addicted to prescription medicine. And I am listening to the legal analyst on CNN and they are saying if Dr. Murray goes to trial you can bet that he lawyers are going to bring up Michael's drug history. Also if it's true that Michael used Diprivan in the past with other doctors, Dr. Murry is going to walk. He will probably get sued by the Jackson family for mal practice, but he will not go to prison.

 

[johnmj]

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we ll just have to wait and see.

 

[pamarella]

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+1. if Dr. Murray goes to trail its gonna be an ugly court case. Claims and counterclaims will be flying all over the place so I can only imagine what effect that might have on the family and fanbase. Its actually pretty scary to think about just how ugly this all could get

Yep!!

 

[Conspiracy]

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What action should we fans make? You cant murder our Michael just like that.

 

[johnmj]

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just carry on listening to michaels music is all i want to do for the moment

 

[krism]

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Well if it goes to court I think as fans we're going to need to support and help each other through that. If charges are going to be laid against Dr. Murray I would guess that it would be sometime next month. Apparently the toxicology reports are almost due to come out and I'm pretty sure alot of the possibility of laying charges hinges on what or isnt in the report. Likewise there was talk of Dr. Murray also prescribing similar drugs to other patients and I've haven't heard more about that. Plus they (the DEA and Police) took several computer harddrives so they are likely still being analysed to see what the Doctor prescribed - provided he's like most Doctors and keeps a record of what he is giving his patients.

 

[Lacey]

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Well if you are refering to Michael, then this is useless. Michael Jackson himself said that he was addicted to prescription medicine. And I am listening to the legal analyst on CNN and they are saying if Dr. Murray goes to trial you can bet that his lawyers are going to bring up Michael's drug history. Also if it's true that Michael used Diprivan in the past with other doctors, Dr. Murry is going to walk. He will probably get sued by the Jackson family for mal practice, but he will not go to prison.

The problem with that is that Murray did not use Diprivan with the proper monitoring. Also, any addiction Michael may have had to prescription drugs is meaningless in this context. Propofol is not a prescription drug. A doctor cannot prescribe it to a patient because it is not intended to use it that way. Michael could not take it himself, the doctor had to administer it - therefore he was present at use and responsible - it's not like Michael could take an overdose or take it improperly himself - the doctor was there doing this and was responsible for how it was done. Plus he also has to answer for how long it took him to call 911 and why he did not perform CPR properly. If he had time to leave Michael and run all over the house looking for people in between CPR, then he would have had time to put Michael on the floor to do it properly. He has many excuses but no satisfactory answers.

 

[krism]

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I think alot of people are puzzled about why there was a delay in calling 911. My understanding is that the mobile they were using was inoperable so they tried from another mobile but couldnt get a signal so they had to go look for a phone. But reportedly it was a 30-minute delay before making the call. You cant find a phone in 30 minutes? In a mansion you've been in several times already? What about running out into the street and using waving down a passerby or going to a neighbor for help? What about picking Michael up putting him in a vehicle and driving him yourself to the hospital? Then likely its someone panicked and they were utterly horrified by what happened and werent thinking clearly. Shock affects everyone differently and I'm pretty sure when they realised Michael wasn't breathing they would be panicked big time.

 

[pamarella]

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The problem with that is that Murray did not use Diprivan with the proper monitoring. Also, any addiction Michael may have had to prescription drugs is meaningless in this context. Propofol is not a prescription drug. A doctor cannot prescribe it to a patient because it is not intended to use it that way. Michael could not take it himself, the doctor had to administer it - therefore he was present at use and responsible - it's not like Michael could take an overdose or take it improperly himself - the doctor was there doing this and was responsible for how it was done. Plus he also has to answer for how long it took him to call 911 and why he did not perform CPR properly. If he had time to leave Michael and run all over the house looking for people in between CPR, then he would have had time to put Michael on the floor to do it properly. He has many excuses but no satisfactory answers.

The problem is that Diprivan should not have been in Michael Jackson's home. Of course Dr. Murray did not properly monitor Michael because Diprivan is only used in a hospital. Also prescription drugs do come into question because if Diprivan was given to Michael while he was taking other medication like Demoral, then that could have also contribute to Michael's death.