Jacksons & intervention claims (Read post#22 letter by Katherine & others DENYING interventions)

[blankyluvdoodoo]

Re: Jacksons & intervention claims (Read post#22 letter by Katherine & others DENYING interventions)

that is what we need to do right now, show them mirror.make them realize that we don't forget any thing and we are watching ur every move ,every blow to legacy of Michael Jackson.

 

[Vici]

Re: Jacksons & intervention claims (Read post#22 letter by Katherine & others DENYING interventions)

yeah, that's very important. also, it's worth mentioning all the people who were around MJ who said they never saw MIchael being on drugs (T-Mez, the Cascios, that Irish guy, Las Vegas bodyguards...)

plus Raymone Bain who was with him for a time. She said there were no signs of drugs and she was there after the trial. I know she was hired in december 2003 as his pubiicist but I wanna know when she got fired to get a better timeline. According to her lawsuit, MJ cut ties with her shortly after the SONY/ATV refinancing deal.. but wasnt that in 2006? Didnt SONY send people to Dubai/Bahrain to refinance the deal in 2006?

I always thought she was fired in 2007. Didnt Raymone send out a pressrelease informing the fans about the fan appreciation party in Japan 2007? Im pretty sure she worked with Michael a lot in 2007 actually, I do remember her sending out different kinds of pressreleases debunking alot o crap in the press.

So that means that Raymone was with MJ from late 2003 to 2007 at least and no signs of drugs... that leads us to the year of 2008 when the supposedly interventions was taking place. hmm

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[Big Apple2]

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Didn't Katherine Jackson travel to Japan with Michael and his children when he attended that fan party? I remember the Editor of Sister2Sister magazine mentioning it in the article she wrote about that event. Does anybody remember what year that was?

I mean, she talks about what the OTHERS told her, but she saw, spoke to and travelled with Michael more than anybody else in his family, so I don't really see why should would need to depend on what OTHERS may have said to her.

I also "think" she travelled with Michael when he went to the World Music Awards, but I'm not sure if that was ever really confirmed.

 

[blankyluvdoodoo]

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why we are forgetting that on oprah she admitted that "they are telling me that he was in denial" .we all know who "they" are.because those who were in close contact with mj ,denied seeing of any drug use .all this is coming from randy and company and it all started when he rammed his car in to that gate ,he is been saving his face since mj didn't sue his ass,he needs to look relevant.since Michaels death ,he is pushing this more because Michael is not here to defend himself and his kids are really too small to defend their dad.

 

[ronia]

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Well according to Jesus Salas testimony by the 2005 trial MJ had been appeared to be drunk sometimes in 2002 and 2003 and that he took prescribed medication for his burn, broken leg and foot problem around that time.

But this says nothing about later use or abuse of alcohol or medication.

 

[StacyJ]

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Didn't Katherine Jackson travel to Japan with Michael and his children when he attended that fan party? I remember the Editor of Sister2Sister magazine mentioning it in the article she wrote about that event. Does anybody remember what year that was?

I mean, she talks about what the OTHERS told her, but she saw, spoke to and travelled with Michael more than anybody else in his family, so I don't really see why should would need to depend on what OTHERS may have said to her.

I also "think" she travelled with Michael when he went to the World Music Awards, but I'm not sure if that was ever really confirmed.

yes she did go to Japan.. at least that is what Jamie Foster Brown said back in 2007

 

[Big Apple2]

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Well according to Jesus Salas testimony by the 2005 trial MJ had been appeared to be drunk sometimes in 2002 and 2003 and that he took prescribed medication for his burn, broken leg and foot problem around that time.

But this says nothing about later use or abuse of alcohol or medication.

The AUTOSPY answers those questions quite clearly, in my opinion, anything else is moot, as far as I'm concerned!

ABUSE of anything, would have been detected in an autospy report. Try again!

 

[Ohood]

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plus Raymone Bain who was with him for a time. She said there were no signs of drugs and she was there after the trial. I know she was hired in december 2003 as his pubiicist but I wanna know when she got fired to get a better timeline. According to her lawsuit, MJ cut ties with her shortly after the SONY/ATV refinancing deal.. but wasnt that in 2006? Didnt SONY send people to Dubai/Bahrain to refinance the deal in 2006?

I always thought she was fired in 2007. Didnt Raymone send out a pressrelease informing the fans about the fan appreciation party in Japan 2007? Im pretty sure she worked with Michael a lot in 2007 actually, I do remember her sending out different kinds of pressreleases debunking alot o crap in the press.

So that means that Raymone was with MJ from late 2003 to 2007 at least and no signs of drugs... that leads us to the year of 2008 when the supposedly interventions was taking place. hmm

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he was fine , she is correct ,,i'm very thankful to her for telling the truth , very much and she insisted on " they did not want to see him for years " !

 

[blankyluvdoodoo]

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Well according to Jesus Salas testimony by the 2005 trial MJ had been appeared to be drunk sometimes in 2002 and 2003 and that he took prescribed medication for his burn, broken leg and foot problem around that time.

But this says nothing about later use or abuse of alcohol or medication.

if we go by this then randy is certified psycho because he went to mental institution ,janet is drug addict too ,we all know what went down with her and using staff name to get prescribed drug which is also well documented in court of law .and in case of Michael ,the report says exactly apposite of what all people saying about him.
seriously people like u make me think twice, by ur logic we all have problem of drinking and prescribed medicine because we all get drunk at one point in our life ,take medicine for some thing.smdh

 

[Vici]

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Didn't Katherine Jackson travel to Japan with Michael and his children when he attended that fan party? I remember the Editor of Sister2Sister magazine mentioning it in the article she wrote about that event. Does anybody remember what year that was?

I think Mike went to Japan twice. One time in 2006 to recieve an award at the MTV awardshow there and then he went again in March 2007 for the fan appreciation party and he visited the troops as well.

 

[virginia_woolf]

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Originally Posted by Big Apple2
Didn't Katherine Jackson travel to Japan with Michael and his children when he attended that fan party? I remember the Editor of Sister2Sister magazine mentioning it in the article she wrote about that event. Does anybody remember what year that was?

I think Mike went to Japan twice. One time in 2006 to recieve an award at the MTV awardshow there and then he went again in March 2007 for the fan appreciation party and he visited the troops as well.

Katherine traveled to Japan with Michael in 2007.

 

[Ohood]

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yes she did go to Japan.. at least that is what Jamie Foster Brown said back in 2007

she was with him 2007 in Japan and she was with him in the music awards in 2006 ..in the video he siad thanks to my mother and he & Beyonce looked at the audience in 4:11 .

 

[Ashtanga]

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:wub:

 

[xthunderx2]

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she was with him 2007 in Japan and she was with him in the music awards in 2006 ..in the video he siad thanks to my mother and he & Beyonce looked at the audience in 4:11 .

God Michael was sooo beautiful....thank you for potsing this video...it is one of my favorites.

 

[bluetopez]

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I remember the the drug rumor starting up heavily once he left California, after he won the trial and left to Bahrain!

Here's another video of Raymone Bain on the Gearaldo Rivera show saying MJ is not on any drugs! This interview was done when MJ was living in Bahrain!

Raymone interview starts at 1:50 min

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy-DYWV0v2k

 

[Memefan]

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^ So what if MJ was looking for a job...?

Something his lazy ass siblings know nothing about.

 

[StacyJ]

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I am kind of wishing that Raymone had stayed around. Even though she sued him she did seem to care about him. I don't think that she would've just stood around and watched MJ suffer.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: Jacksons & intervention claims (Read post#22 letter by Katherine & others DENYING interventions)

Well according to Jesus Salas testimony by the 2005 trial MJ had been appeared to be drunk sometimes in 2002 and 2003 and that he took prescribed medication for his burn, broken leg and foot problem around that time.

But this says nothing about later use or abuse of alcohol or medication.

Uh no that is not what he said he said Michael would drink with his kids in the room. Sneddon was trying to make him seem like a bad father however under cross he himself said he drank with his kids in the room. He never said anything about Michael appearing drunk no one has ever said they saw Michael drunk during his trail. And Michael did not break his leg he broke his foot and he never said Michael Michael take pills for either his burn or his foot

 

[Big Apple2]

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I am kind of wishing that Raymone had stayed around. Even though she sued him she did seem to care about him. I don't think that she would've just stood around and watched MJ suffer.

I have a feeling Ms. Bain would have been all up in Murray's grill, if he spoke to her like he spoke to Kenny Ortega.

She does "appear" to be a tough cookie, who would not allow anybody to push her around.

 

[StacyJ]

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I have a feeling Ms. Bain would have been all up in Murray's grill, if he spoke to her like he spoke to Kenny Ortega.

She does "appear" to be a tough cookie, who would not allow anybody to push her around.

and that is what Michael needed.. someone who would watch over him. It seems to me that Michael thought he needed Murray in order to do these shows. I feel so bad for him because he really needed help with his sleeping problem and no one, absolutely no one did anything to help him. I miss Mike so much. If only he had someone that cared around him he would be here today.

 

[blankyluvdoodoo]

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i don't think Michael needed any one ,he was grown man and he took care of himself and his 3 kids all by himself .
we all know how Michael studied everything ,i am sure he took ex-stream step after going through every option he had.we all make bad decision at one point of our life ,which cost us dearly .Michael was human after all ,he made big mistake and paid for it .this doesn't murray is not guilty,that incompetent fool needs his lesson .

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

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I have a feeling Ms. Bain would have been all up in Murray's grill, if he spoke to her like he spoke to Kenny Ortega.

She does "appear" to be a tough cookie, who would not allow anybody to push her around.

Yeah, I'm trying to picture Murray talk to Ms Bain the way Kenny Ortega described having been talked to by Murray.

I'm sure that would have been a memorable conversation, from the outsider's surface view it seems as if someone like that was needed.

I find these dynamics very, very strange. Between the cook and Murray, etc.

 

[blankyluvdoodoo]

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what do u mean by that pace ? i mean between cook and that idiot.

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

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what do u mean by that pace ? i mean between cook and that idiot.

I could be completely wrong, but have you never noticed how the people around Michael seemed to live some kind of extreme version of 'dog eat dog' life? Between people like Thome, DiLeo and people wanting back in like Leonard Rowe alone- that's some serious elbow usage. Then take that whole Ortega/Faye thing. When it came to wanting to be part of Michael's life- seems like all bets were off as long as they somehow stayed or became a part of it.

I just used the cook as an example. It's gotta be pretty strange to be watching Murray walk in an out of there.

I just find all these dynamics pretty strange. There must have been some serious ankle nipping going on in between all these parties- that's just the impression I'm left with.

 

[blankyluvdoodoo]

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ohhhhhhhhhh i got it now ,at this point i really don't know what to think about people surrounding Michael including his family.thank u pace.

 

[ronia]

Re: Jacksons & intervention claims (Read post#22 letter by Katherine & others DENYING interventions)

Uh no that is not what he said he said Michael would drink with his kids in the room. Sneddon was trying to make him seem like a bad father however under cross he himself said he drank with his kids in the room. He never said anything about Michael appearing drunk no one has ever said they saw Michael drunk during his trail. And Michael did not break his leg he broke his foot and he never said Michael Michael take pills for either his burn or his foot

I read the complete court transcript from Jesus Salas testimony during the trial.


"28 Q. BY MR. MESEREAU: During the year 2002, were 4763

1 you aware -- excuse me. During the year 2002, did

2 you know whether or not Mr. Jackson was taking

3 medications for a broken leg?

4 A. Yes.

5 Q. During the year 2002, did you know whether

6 or not Mr. Jackson was taking medications for a foot

7 problem?

8 A. Yes."


"19 Q. Did you ever see Mr. Jackson where he

20 appeared to have been drinking a great deal, that he

21 appeared to be drunk?

22 A. Yes."


"3 Q. BY MR. AUCHINCLOSS: Mr. Salas, when you saw

4 Mr. Jackson when he was drunk, did you ever see him

5 in the presence -- in that condition, in the

6 presence of his children?

7 A. Yes, I did.

8 Q. On more than one occasion?

9 A. Yes."

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: Jacksons & intervention claims (Read post#22 letter by Katherine & others DENYING interventions)

Stand corrected.

 

[Ohood]

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I could be completely wrong, but have you never noticed how the people around Michael seemed to live some kind of extreme version of 'dog eat dog' life? Between people like Thome, DiLeo and people wanting back in like Leonard Rowe alone- that's some serious elbow usage. Then take that whole Ortega/Faye thing. When it came to wanting to be part of Michael's life- seems like all bets were off as long as they somehow stayed or became a part of it.

I just used the cook as an example. It's gotta be pretty strange to be watching Murray walk in an out of there.

I just find all these dynamics pretty strange. There must have been some serious ankle nipping going on in between all these parties- that's just the impression I'm left with.

hmmmm , you know you're very right ....there were always this kind of fighting around MJ even in the 80's...do u know that Mj fired karen Faye during bad tour becuase "she was stealing from fans" (her own words on twitter) she also was fired in the history tour by Tareq Bin Ammar becuase she made alot of troubles when she was around MJ and she started to scream at Tareq when he orederd her to stay away from MJ's affairs...so MJ had to fire her !( i believe that MJ asked Tareq to tell her not to discuss anything with him)

but truely guys i can't think of anyone who might helped MJ from Murray's evils than Grace...this woman was with MJ for 17 years and saw him in all his ups and downs...she is the only woman in the world who could say NO to Murray !
i really really wish she was not fired becuase she knows how to handle MJ and his kids like no other !

 

[Ohood]

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Raymone , The Cascio , the bodygaurds, ppl he met in Irland, Oman and Dubai all said MJ was fine and they saw signs of addiction he was fine and sober.
why only those not around keep saying he was addict , do not these pple have any dignity or feel any shame !

the trail will be televised i hope all ppl will listen to the truth when the autopsy report shows that he was not drug addict .

 

[twinklEE]

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I agree Pace..