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Jacksons & intervention claims (Read post#22 letter by Katherine & others DENYING interventions)

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elusive moonwalker said:
its all so obvious what went on what u read the above. grace keeps the family away at mjs request (loads of evidence mj did this in the past from Bguards etc so its hardly unbelievable) randy gets pissed so starts spreading crap in order to get mjs attention and toget back at him.friedman admited not long back his source for these stories back in the day came from a familiy member so hey ho u dont need to be a rocket scientist
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I'm not taking any sides here but did you ever think with a history of Michael sometimes shutting people out it would make it easier for people to take control of a situation and his life without ever being questioned?

I honestly don't know who did what but I try not to turn a blind eye to other possibilities.
 
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Sharon B. Sidney said:
I'm not taking any sides here but did you ever think with a history of Michael sometimes shutting people out it would make it easier for people to take control of a situation and his life without ever being questioned?

I honestly don't know who did what but I try not to turn a blind eye to other possibilities.
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That is why we want the truth about the intervention that the family say they stage to help him,
A whole lot is not adding to to the full 100 case in point if mj was an addict then what was is drug of choice?and why did he have drug almost one year old in his house?
We want the whole truth.
 
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I've found references to that letter in Ebony Special Collectors Edition'07 :
http://books.google.es/books?id=WdMDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA104&lpg=PA1
(see the 3rd rumour vs fact thing)

Also on MTV :
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1569455/kelly-clarkson-justin-timberlake-sing-on-oprah.jhtml
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And two more articles :
http://www.sawfnews.com/Gossip/42062.aspx
http://www.entertainmentafrica.mobi/music/view/news/10916

I hope it helps.I'm going to read what I've missed on the other thread now.
 
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I'm not taking any sides here but did you ever think with a history of Michael sometimes shutting people out it would make it easier for people to take control of a situation and his life without ever being questioned?
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well i guess it depends on what sort of credit you want to give mj. and whether u think he was this person who was used and controlled by everyone and was weak and needed everything but his ass wiping for him or he was in control of most things . he cant one minute be blocking ppl out out of choice then the next minute u are saying ppl were controlling him. either mj was strong enough to tell his staff to keep his family away casue he didnt want to be around them or u go with the theory that some big bad wolf was doing it. ie a another case of denial/excuse by family members who prefer to believe mj was being used and kept aways from his familiy or was on drugs rather than the it being the case that mj himself wanted to keep away from them. something thats been documeted several times over the years by b.guards etc.
 
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Thrill said:
so this was the time he was in Virgina aswell?? Do you know what he was doing in Virginia and for how long he was there? Ive seen stories he went to meet Teddy Riley there.
His boduguards (the three who are writing a book) have said they were with MJ in Virginia and then drove him to New Jersey (to the Cascios).
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yes same time he was in virgina, washington all around the east coast area including NY/cascios. he was spotted house hunting and yes there were reports he was at teddys place he was spotted at museums in washington.lion king show in N.Y etc.the dates im going by are what i wrote in my diary so its all based on media reports and sightings. so obviously not very detailed but gives u a rough idea
 
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I don't see how anyone can support the Jackson family after what they've done to MJ since his passing. Why talk about that stuff now if it is true, it's too late because he's gone. If they really thought he needed help and was in trouble they should've done something when he was here
 
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StacyJ said:
I don't see how anyone can support the Jackson family after what they've done to MJ since his passing. Why talk about that stuff now if it is true, it's too late because he's gone. If they really thought he needed help and was in trouble they should've done something when he was here
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What they did before his passing is even worse. In a way they started killing him as soon as he turned five.
 
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pilinlim said:
What they did before his passing is even worse. In a way they started killing him as soon as he turned five.
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...and now they have shown envy toward Michael's children. :angel:

 
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Soundmind said:
no, it was the opposite, the jacksons were the sources behind the stories the tabloids printed about his so called addiction. since they felt it was ok to use Roger and others to twist MJ's arm , I believe we have the right to quote their mouthpieces to prove what was their agenda at the time. Tito claimed MJ told him "you are the only one who had never asked for anything"that was a damn lie. Tito abandoned his kids immediately after his wife caught him cheating on her , not only that, there was a bank account created to pay for his kids' education and when his wife asked for divorce he withdraw every penny in that account and refused to support any of his kids, Katherine and everyone in that family blamed the wife " she was withholding sexually from her husband" go figure . When MJ knew he paid for everything. Still Tito does not believe MJ helped him or supported him. A liar like the rest of them , a deadbeat father like the rest of them.

what's the difference between tito, jermaine and Randy? all of them are cheaters, deadbeat fathers, lived and their kids off MJ for years and years and at the end of the day none of them even admit MJ was supporting them.
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You should've stopped after your first phrase, which, by the way, wasn't news to me. But diverting from it and go through Tito's private life like that, graphically, and calling out everyone of them lustfully, that was uncalled for. They felt it was 'okay to use Roger'? Aww, again poor Roger, he just didn't know what he was getting himself into, just like Michael, he trusted so many untrustworthy folks. ... Is this taking too far? Not at all, since some actually prefer defending the media before the family. At least, put some of them in the same pot, if you will, but, come on, that's just plain laughable to be bringing tabloid leeches like 'Roger' into a better light, that of a victim.
 
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Sharon B. Sidney said:
I'm not taking any sides here but did you ever think with a history of Michael sometimes shutting people out it would make it easier for people to take control of a situation and his life without ever being questioned?

I honestly don't know who did what but I try not to turn a blind eye to other possibilities.
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I know we are veering off topic here but I wanted to respond to this. From what I can tell Michael was a warm, loving and open person. A person who, if you treated him fairly, was loyal friend. That is my view based on the interviews and stories I have heard about Michael.

So if he shut off some 'friends' and some members of his family there must have been a reason. Look at what Boteach said in his introduction to his new book about Michael: "I told him endlessly that his plastic surgery was disfiguring him, that his prescription drug habit was killing him, and that his reclusive lifestyle was making his heart shrivel. He listened patiently until, after two years, he could listen no more and our relationship began to weaken."

I am sure you are willing to consider the possibility that Michael 'shut people out' because they were always trying to fix him. And if that was the case, who could blame him!

I honestly do not see Michael as the type to just turn away from people to profess to genuinely care about him. I just don't.
 
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there is no use in trying to tell this sharon b character anything that's factual.
 
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TheChosenOne said:
I know we are veering off topic here but I wanted to respond to this. From what I can tell Michael was a warm, loving and open person. A person who, if you treated him fairly, was loyal friend. That is my view based on the interviews and stories I have heard about Michael.

So if he shut off some 'friends' and some members of his family there must have been a reason. Look at what Boteach said in his introduction to his new book about Michael: "I told him endlessly that his plastic surgery was disfiguring him, that his prescription drug habit was killing him, and that his reclusive lifestyle was making his heart shrivel. He listened patiently until, after two years, he could listen no more and our relationship began to weaken."

I am sure you are willing to consider the possibility that Michael 'shut people out' because they were always trying to fix him. And if that was the case, who could blame him!

I honestly do not see Michael as the type to just turn away from people to profess to genuinely care about him. I just don't.
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This is a lovely post. Thank you so much!:wub:

I remember reading an article in GQ magazine shortly after Michael died and the writer wrote about how people would say Michael's face was so disfigured and the author asked the question "How do we know he didn't like what he saw in the mirror? How do we know he didn't love how he looked?"
I know I loved how he looked.

And I would choose to not keep the company of people who seemed to only want to focus on what they thought was wrong with me...
 
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twinklEE said:
there is no use in trying to tell this sharon b character anything that's factual.
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thats for damn sure.:clapping: I have been attacked by this person in another thread..because I tried to state facts...but the facts weren't good enough...only to be called out.
 
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So if he shut off some 'friends' and some members of his family there must have been a reason. Look at what Boteach said in his introduction to his new book about Michael: "I told him endlessly that his plastic surgery was disfiguring him, that his prescription drug habit was killing him, and that his reclusive lifestyle was making his heart shrivel. He listened patiently until, after two years, he could listen no more and our relationship began to weaken."
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and heres me thinking it was casue he stole money from mj and the charity. what adeluded arsehole this man is. talk about blaming the victim. god im steaming
 
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^^ I know, right!
 
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But back on topic - as we do our research it will be interesting to see when it would have been possible for these interventions.
 
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well they didnt have much time in 07 and 06 is totally out of the question so it comes to 08 and the concert interventions!
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
well they didnt have much time in 07 and 06 is totally out of the question so it comes to 08 and the concert interventions!
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yep! the concert interventions and I believe Leonard Rowe mentioned this in his book. He was the one who supposedly told them to intervene because he said MJ didn't look right or healthy to him. He felt something was wrong. But who knows. None of these folks can be trusted so I don't know what to believe.
 
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StacyJ said:
yep! the concert interventions and I believe Leonard Rowe mentioned this in his book. He was the one who supposedly told them to intervene because he said MJ didn't look right or healthy to him. He felt something was wrong. But who knows. None of these folks can be trusted so I don't know what to believe.
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None of them is reliable. Fact. -_-

I do not really believe in these attempts at interventions. I do not believe in none word these people say. -_- :fear: And if they happened, I'm sure it would have spread like wildfire throughout the press. The whole world would know. :bugeyed
 
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Janet said they never saw Michael too often, so whatever the family found out about Michael, the family would get the information through their mother.

Which means, who the heck was giving Katherine the made up story that Michael was on drugs and needed help......?

grace rwaramba. (I already expalined all this various times. It's in the conspiracy forum.)

rwaramba had the credibility because she was actually around Michael. So, whatever lie she told, Katherine believed.
 
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I think so too... After all, she stabbed him in the back by giving that interview to a tabloid reporter in London, just before he was to go to London, she talked about addiction in it, so it's entirely likely she too had a say in the development of this farce, she wasn't fired for nothing. And twice.
 
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Bridgett_361 said:
Rowe book http://jetzi-mjvideo.com/books-jetzi-01/10wrh/10wrh119.html
Chapter eight " they invade mj for a show to help Janet, row did not say in his book at any time he know off the Jackson interventions
Not that I believed Rowe 100% but I find it strange if he know why did he not include it in his book.
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Rowe says this but the family hasn't said one word about the family reunion tour. Mike is dead and Janet is pissed off because MJ didn't agree to join them to help her? She should be ashamed of herself. I guess that's why she's throwing him under the bus now. Janet and her brothers will never admit they were intervening for a concert and not some drug intervention
 
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Alma said:
I think so too... After all, she stabbed him in the back by giving that interview to a tabloid reporter in London, just before he was to go to London, she talked about addiction in it, so it's entirely likely she too had a say in the development of this farce, she wasn't fired for nothing. And twice.
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of course she did.. she was also the one telling Deepak Chopra that mess.. Chopra is the one that introduced MJ to Grace. Again if Grace, Deepak and the family thought MJ had a problem why didn't they do anything? Deepak is a doctor, he could've gotten a professional specialist involved. I'm sure he knows a lot of folks. Hell they could've even gotten Sanjay Gupta or Dr Drew involved. No one did absolutely nothing. Chopra even said he knew the names of the doctors drugging up MJ and all of Hollywood but he did nothing
 
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Guys thank you very much for contributing to the thread. Sorry I have been MIA for the past 2 days, I have been under the weather.

We are not sure how we are gonna use all that information, but one thing is for sure, we need to get this out and the Jacksons need to explain when and where these intervention attempts happened.

If you have any ideas on how best to use all the information, you can post them here or DM me.

Thank you again.

Adn the media need to do a better job...so far no one has asked the obvious questions: When did these interventions occured?
 
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You know what really makes me sad, that michael cant even get some rest after death.
Its not just the family it is everyone, from media to regular people. Its so sad to see
 
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Memefan said:
Guys thank you very much for contributing to the thread. Sorry I have been MIA for the past 2 days, I have been under the weather.

We are not sure how we are gonna use all that information, but one thing is for sure, we need to get this out and the Jacksons need to explain when and where these intervention attempts happened.

If you have any ideas on how best to use all the information, you can post them here or DM me.

Thank you again.

Adn the media need to do a better job...so far no one has asked the obvious questions: When did these interventions occured?
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Maybe we can send them to the estate. Since they're lawyers maybe they can threaten the family to shut up unless they can provide proof of said interventions with times and dates. I appreciate you guys trying to do something to preserve Mike's legacy. It's a shame that the fans care more about MJ than his own family.
 
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Thank you for all of this information. You guys are TRULY the best!

I wish we had collected this information before Rebbie did that View interview. I would have loved to forward it to Whoopi Goldberg.

I'm not sure if she would have used it, but from what I have read about Whoopi's non-participation during Rebbie's visit, it would have been interesting to see her (or one of the other View members) challenge Rebbie's "intervention" story.

The next time one of the "intervention" story-teller's makes a television appearance in order to give an interview, we should BOMBARD that show with this information. Who knows we "might" just get lucky and the story-teller will be challenged. I long for that day!
 
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Big Apple2 said:
Thank you for all of this information. You guys are TRULY the best!

I wish we had collected this information before Rebbie did that View interview. I would have loved to forward it to Whoopi Goldberg.

I'm not sure if she would have used it, but from what I have read about Whoopi's non-participation during Rebbie's visit, it would have been interesting to see her (or one of the other View members) challenge Rebbie's "intervention" story.

The next time one of the "intervention" story-teller's makes a television appearance in order to give an interview, we should BOMBARD that show with this information. Who knows we "might" just get lucky and the story-teller will be challenged. I long for that day!
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Me too, because the family has been getting away with this crap for 18 months. No one is challenging anything they are saying. Also May 14,2009 would've been a fine time for an intervention since they were all together at the restaurant for their parents anniversary. They could've swooped MJ up and took him to rehab or whereever they were planning on taking him. The family also had plenty of time to approach AEG, Randy Phillips, Kenny Ortega, Karen Faye or Travis Payne before MJ died. They all knew MJ was in LA rehearsing for these shows, why couldn't they all come together then for an intervention? They could've bumrushed the Staples Center and told them all MJ needed help..

Why wasn't any of this done if the family was so concerned?
 
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