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Jacksons & intervention claims (Read post#22 letter by Katherine & others DENYING interventions)

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Petrarose said:
You are so right about this. I experienced this after my dad died and he spoke to me in a dream. They really do see what we do and know what we say. That is why when I was a child there was a unspoken rule that you do not speak ill of the dead. However, I do not know if JW's believe in this.
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Difficult to explain concept. I know that during the Oprah Interview Mrs. Jackson was asked something along those lines and she said very hesitantly that he's a "memory" to her.

That must add great pain.
 
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I think it will also be useful to track down when some Jackson members would have seen Michael (if that is possible) and juxtapose it with stories from colleagues and friends who saw Michael around that same time.

Am I making sense?
 
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That is why when I was a child there was a unspoken rule that you do not speak ill of the dead. However, I do not know if JW's believe in this.
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dunno but seeing as they believe when u are gone u are aware of nothing then theres no reason to talk nicely about them
 
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StacyJ said:
ok... so who are we going to send this too? I guess since Randy, Janet, Rebbie, Joe and LaToya didn't sign it, they were the ones attempting an alleged intervention right? and mind you MJ didn't have a painkiller or an ounce of alcohol in his body so once again what exactly were they intervening for?
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We need to send a clear message to all of them, especially the vocal ones, informing them that fans who are both Michael and Jackson fans will not buy their merchandise and tickets until they cease particular actions. We want them to give a clear time frame of interventions, if they are indeed true and become aware of the significance of the autopsy report in relation to their allegations against Michael. They need to educate their dear mother on the legal rights of Michael and the Estate. Further, we want them to monitor their elderly mom to prevent her from being victimized. It is embarrassing that fans have to tell them to do this.
 
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Petrarose said:
We need to send a clear message to all of them, especially the vocal ones, informing them that fans who are both Michael and Jackson fans will not buy their merchandise and tickets until they cease particular actions. We want them to give a clear time frame of interventions, if they are indeed true and become aware of the significance of the autopsy report in relation to their allegations against Michael. They need to educate their dear mother on the legal rights of Michael and the Estate. Further, we want them to monitor their elderly mom to prevent her from being victimized. It is embarrassing that fans have to tell them to do this.
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sounds nice, but how will this get to them?
 
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StacyJ said:
sounds nice, but how will this get to them?
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We can do a petition after we get the documents, and send it to all of them. We have their twitter, email, addresses and stamps. I am sure Meme has a method too. If they are in prison (maybe Jermaine for child support) we can easily find the address and send him the information.

We need to send the information to ALL because the innocent ones will speak to the guilty to cease. The rationale is that the innocent would not want to suffer a lack of revenue caused by the guilty and their loose lips.
 
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randy janet and rebbie are as thick as thieves. not surprised by rebbie this is the woman who blamed mj for 03-05 and supported stacy brown when he was calling mj everything name but the devil. and i remember janet tweeting randy during some hearing or issue and saying i support you etc etc
 
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So the Jacksons are called out on this. what's to stop them from saying MJ pressured them to put out those statements, or else no MONEY for Mama Jackson.
 
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Can mentionings about 'Roger' be left aside? Yeah, Randy used to feed him news, but 'Roger' had a brain of his own and other sources as well, so that's nothing but giving further credit to trashy tabloids, really.
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
randy janet and rebbie are as thick as thieves. not surprised by rebbie this is the woman who blamed mj for 03-05 and supported stacy brown when he was calling mj everything name but the devil. and i remember janet tweeting randy during some hearing or issue and saying i support you etc etc
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:no: I just don't understand this family:no:
How this must have hurt Michael.
Kind of helps you understand his will.
 
I found this article from our MJJF archive - it links to People Magazine, Sept 17, 2007:

For starters some Jackson pals and family members take issue with the children's nanny Grace Rwaramba, a former production-company office worker who is now taking care of and homeschooling the kids (see box). "She started out as this naive African girl, and now she is hell on wheels," says one longtime Jackson associate. Says another: "Grace calls all the shots when it comes to Michael. She brought in the Nation of Islam and its security guards. Grace is the queen bee."

According to several sources, Rwaramba is preventing some Jackson family members from seeing him—and from helping him with what many sources claim is an addiction to prescription drugs. Jermaine Jackson confirmed to PEOPLE on July 21 that he's worried about his brother's health. L.A. attorney Tom Mesereau Jr., who defended Jackson at his 2005 trial, says, "I was approached by the Jackson family" to stage an intervention for Jackson last year but did not participate. A source close to the family confirms the Jacksons did attempt an intervention in Las Vegas in 2006; three of Jackson's brothers were there and sister Janet was on the phone. "Michael got pissed off and said he wasn't on drugs," says one family source. Several people interviewed also agree that because of Rwaramba most family members are "cut off—there is no communication with Michael," says a source close to the family, who adds that Jackson's brother Randy is afraid Michael will die just like Anna Nicole Smith.

Through his publicist Raymone Bain, Jackson denies taking drugs or being in poor health; Bain also says Jackson is fully in charge of his life. "Right now Michael is on the East Coast looking at houses and enjoying himself on vacation," Bain told PEOPLE in July. "He's talking on the phone every day. He is very engaged and active." Adds the Rev. Jesse Jackson, a longtime friend and adviser: "I was with him [in July] and he was healthy, spry, effervescent. After all the pressure of the trial, it weakened him to some extent, but he bounced back."
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http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20060327,00.html
 
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max000 said:
So the Jacksons are called out on this. what's to stop them from saying MJ pressured them to put out those statements, or else no MONEY for Mama Jackson.
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IF they would stoop that low and put out a statement like that....then they would deserve whatever it is they have coming to them. Not only that....they would make themselves look even worse than they do now....making up ish about a dead man..shame on them.
 
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its all so obvious what went on what u read the above. grace keeps the family away at mjs request (loads of evidence mj did this in the past from Bguards etc so its hardly unbelievable) randy gets pissed so starts spreading crap in order to get mjs attention and toget back at him.friedman admited not long back his source for these stories back in the day came from a familiy member so hey ho u dont need to be a rocket scientist
 
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max000 said:
So the Jacksons are called out on this. what's to stop them from saying MJ pressured them to put out those statements, or else no MONEY for Mama Jackson.
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That would be saying their number one interest to be money.
 
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Rowe book have a time line in it too I will see what I can't sumerise from it
And that interview mj bodygurd did on abc , we can put together and call out the family to speak the truth,
Because it don't add up, there was no painkiller at mj home when he died, he died because his doctor was trying to treat his illness the wrong way,
Not becaue he was getting high on drug, if that was the case he would not need a doctor he would just doctor shop for his drug, he did not need a in house doctor,
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
its all so obvious what went on what u read the above. grace keeps the family away at mjs request (loads of evidence mj did this in the past from Bguards etc so its hardly unbelievable) randy gets pissed so starts spreading crap in order to get mjs attention and toget back at him.friedman admited not long back his source for these stories back in the day came from a familiy member so hey ho u dont need to be a rocket scientist
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I was thinking the same thing. If someone does not let you into their home, how do you know they are on drugs? When did you see the person?

I remember when Michael died Janet said she got a call and they said that Michael had a heart attack. She was asked what she did, and she said she waited in New York to get updates. I thought at that time--unbelievable. You have the means to jump on a plane at any given moment, you hear a loved one had a heart attack, and you don't immediately dash to Kennedy airport for a plane to LA? How close was she to Michael during his last years?
 
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Petrarose said:
I was thinking the same thing. If someone does not let you into their home, how do you know they are on drugs? When did you see the person?

I remember when Michael died Janet said she got a call and they said that Michael had a heart attack. She was asked what she did, and she said she waited in New York to get updates. I thought at that time--unbelievable. You have the means to jump on a plane at any given moment, you hear a loved one had a heart attack, and you don't immediately dash to Kennedy airport for a plane to LA? How close was she to Michael during his last years?
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not close at all.. you can tell by her lack of feeling and very distant behavior that they weren't close anymore. Your brother was killed and yet you continue on as if nothing has ever happened and then in the middle of it all you do interviews and promos laughing and giggling with those who bashed and trashed your deceased brother. I don't find that to be a very endearing quality of Ms. Janet.
 
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I think some of their 'interventions' or whatever those allegedly were were purely based on what tabloids said, meaning they believed them, ..... for they (tabloids) often went on and on about this drug crap. If some of these family members couldn't reach him - although he did always reach his mother - it must have meant in their minds that he's 'on drugs' or something along that line, for it the papers speculate on that, then somehow it must be true..... *smh* Just a theory, though, but it seems a plausible one.
 
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I think some of their 'interventions' or whatever those allegedly were were purely based on what tabloids said, meaning they believed them, ..... for they (tabloids) often went on and on about this drug crap. If some of these family members couldn't reach him - although he did always reach his mother - it must have meant in their minds that he's 'on drugs' or something along that line, for it the papers speculate on that, then somehow it must be true..... *smh* Just a theory, though, but it seems a plausible one.
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no, it was the opposite, the jacksons were the sources behind the stories the tabloids printed about his so called addiction. since they felt it was ok to use Roger and others to twist MJ's arm , I believe we have the right to quote their mouthpieces to prove what was their agenda at the time. Tito claimed MJ told him "you are the only one who had never asked for anything"that was a damn lie. Tito abandoned his kids immediately after his wife caught him cheating on her , not only that, there was a bank account created to pay for his kids' education and when his wife asked for divorce he withdraw every penny in that account and refused to support any of his kids, Katherine and everyone in that family blamed the wife " she was withholding sexually from her husband" go figure . When MJ knew he paid for everything. Still Tito does not believe MJ helped him or supported him. A liar like the rest of them , a deadbeat father like the rest of them.

what's the difference between tito, jermaine and Randy? all of them are cheaters, deadbeat fathers, lived and their kids off MJ for years and years and at the end of the day none of them even admit MJ was supporting them.
 
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Soundmind said:
no, it was the opposite, the jacksons were the sources behind the stories the tabloids printed about his so called addiction. since they felt it was ok to use Roger and others to twist MJ's arm , I believe we have the right to quote their mouthpieces to prove what was their agenda at the time. Tito claimed MJ told him "you are the only one who had never asked for anything"that was a damn lie. Tito abandoned his kids immediately after his wife caught him cheating on her , not only that, there was a bank account created to pay for his kids' education and when his wife asked for divorce he withdraw every penny in that account and refused to support any of his kids, Katherine and everyone in that family blamed the wife " she was withholding sexually from her husband" go figure . When MJ knew he paid for everything. Still Tito does not believe MJ helped him or supported him. A liar like the rest of them , a deadbeat father like the rest of them.

what's the difference between tito, jermaine and Randy? all of them are cheaters, deadbeat fathers, lived and their kids off MJ for years and years and at the end of the day none of them even admit MJ was supporting them.
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At the end of the trial, Michael did give Tito a car, which he still uses. He also seemed to have mended his relationship with his sons since their appear to be no hard feelings. T3 hasn't put Tito on blast like what Randy's kids did or get involve in an incident that caused child services to get involve.

Tito also did and does support his sons musical careers, while Jermaine use his kids for show and Randy pretends they don't exist. So, they're not the same. Tito was still a dick on what he did, but I wouldn't put him at Randy or Jermaines's level.

On a side note, Tito never called Michael an addict. He talked about a suppose problem, but unlike the rest, he gave timeline. Namely, it happened when Michael was still at Neverland. He said after that, there was no interventions in recent years and even said Michael was healthy and himself when he last saw him.
 
i posted the below in the who started it thread. someone was asking about the timelines


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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset;"> Could you please update your timeline with dates from when he was in Ireland and for how long? </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
he went to ireland from around the 23rd june 06 and arrived back in the USA i think on the 23rd december


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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset;"> And also when he was staying at the Cascios for 4 months? </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
i have mj on the east coast from around 23rd june 07 and arriving back in L.A on the 7th nov. whether he was with cascios all that time i dunno as he spent time around washington aswell. but that seems to be how long he was away when u go by sightings etc

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<table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0" width="100%"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset;"> &nbsp;Did MJ go from Barhain to Ireland directly or did he come back here first? </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
according to sightings mj left bahrain in january. he arrived in germany then and then was spotted in italy, uk and went to japan for the awards. after japan he was in paris and from paris went to ireland. of course u cant track every single day its just done on sightings and there was a rumour he had gone back to the usa for a short visit during that time but i dont know if it was every confirmed


yeah mj did the ebony photo shoot in N.Y in spet 07
 
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rainny said:
Interesting. Did he say that to one of the British tabloids? Thanks.
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I personally never read his tabloid interviews. I am going by what he said on one of the entertainment shows, sorry don't remember which one.

He said that they had problems getting to him when he was at Neverland, but he didn't specially said drugs. He was kind of vague about the details, but he said he wasn't aware of any health issues that should had killed Michael. He said as much on that CNN special on the 25th.
 
elusive moonwalker;3218974 said:
i posted the below in the who started it thread. someone was asking about the timelines


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<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset;"> Could you please update your timeline with dates from when he was in Ireland and for how long? </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
he went to ireland from around the 23rd june 06 and arrived back in the USA i think on the 23rd december


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<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset;"> And also when he was staying at the Cascios for 4 months? </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
i have mj on the east coast from around 23rd june 07 and arriving back in L.A on the 7th nov. whether he was with cascios all that time i dunno as he spent time around washington aswell. but that seems to be how long he was away when u go by sightings etc

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<table width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="0"> <tbody><tr> <td class="alt2" style="border: 1px inset;"> &nbsp;Did MJ go from Barhain to Ireland directly or did he come back here first? </td> </tr> </tbody></table>
according to sightings mj left bahrain in january. he arrived in germany then and then was spotted in italy, uk and went to japan for the awards. after japan he was in paris and from paris went to ireland. of course u cant track every single day its just done on sightings and there was a rumour he had gone back to the usa for a short visit during that time but i dont know if it was every confirmed


yeah mj did the ebony photo shoot in N.Y in spet 07
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u know the ''paris'' part is real confusing, as I always think of ''Paris'' when I read ''paris' so 'he was in paris' sounds so wrong ''he was with Paris'' is what I'm used to hearing, so I always have 'remind' myself that there is also a well known city that's called Paris which was often visited by Mike lol nvm though
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
i have mj on the east coast from around 23rd june 07 and arriving back in L.A on the 7th nov. whether he was with cascios all that time i dunno as he spent time around washington aswell. but that seems to be how long he was away when u go by sightings etc
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so this was the time he was in Virgina aswell?? Do you know what he was doing in Virginia and for how long he was there? Ive seen stories he went to meet Teddy Riley there.
His boduguards (the three who are writing a book) have said they were with MJ in Virginia and then drove him to New Jersey (to the Cascios).
 
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this is how a fan on YT commented on the intervention discussion///

  • I hope people realize that when this family says 'drug interventions', in reality it was 'concert interventions'. I'm so tired of this family's selfishness & greed, no matter if they destroy MJ's? legacy.

    nenabunena 1 day ago

    http://www.youtube.com/user/nenabunena
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mickson177 said:
this is how a fan on YT commented on the intervention discussion///

I hope people realize that when this family says 'drug interventions', in reality it was 'concert interventions'. I'm so tired of this family's selfishness & greed, no matter if they destroy MJ's? legacy.

nenabunena 1 day ago
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Well, said. :agree:
 
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Thrill said:
so this was the time he was in Virgina aswell?? Do you know what he was doing in Virginia and for how long he was there? Ive seen stories he went to meet Teddy Riley there.
His boduguards (the three who are writing a book) have said they were with MJ in Virginia and then drove him to New Jersey (to the Cascios).
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Didn't Teddy mention that Michael stayed at his house in Virginia? I thought I read that on his Twitter a while ago.
 
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