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Jackson family tribute concert / October 8th, 2011 / Initial details @ post 87

Do you plan to attend Michael Forever Tribute?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 1.7%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 13 7.3%

  • No

    Votes: 162 91.0%
  • Total voters
    178
Does this mean at the tribute they can't sing his songs or show pictures of him? Since the estate is not invovled then I am confused what they can or cannot do. I think it would be better if the family and the estate did something together.
 
@Ginvid, I have no doubts she loves her son, but my opinion still stands. I don't have a all or nothing attitude, that's your perception, and you are certaintly entitled to it. And, the only person she owes restitution to is her son, Michael, which from what I can see, she has not, there always seems to be a backhanded slap when she speaks of him, "MJ was a good father, but I didn't agree with the veils, etc., MJ's nose was like a toothpick, etc. That's cutting, and NOT something a parent of a person who has already been maligned in life, and in the press, should say to some of these same people who helped malign him!I was giving my opinion again, how I see it. And, I know the woman has faults, but until she can own up to why ALL her kids are screwed up, as we see, and her role in it, this cycle of dysfunction continues. Even in the face of the death of MJ, PPB are being groomed par the course, and I'm sorry, but that in itself is sad. I will agree with Katherine, when she does something that I can agree with, and I personally don't agree with these shananagans that have been and are still happening. People may say, but who are you? My response, the same person you want to fork over their hard earned money...you can't expect to have only good opinions thrown your way, when your actions make you undeserving of it. Your actions always speak louder than words.
 
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I see that usually the members who "thank you" ginvid are 'love is magical', 'Arklove' and 'KingMikeJ'.

Very interesting. :candy:
 
Petrarose said:
If this happens we will still wait for the real tribute from the estate, with current global artists. This Wales concert is simply a group of people who will sing some Michael songs for money. At least, that is the way I see it.
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Wait a minute, these artists and the never was who wanna be boys band, will be pay ?

What kind of tribute is it????????????????
 
love is magical said:
I honestly don't understand such attitude. I really can't relate to such degree of anger and bitterness. You think I'm not upset? You think I'm not disappointed? But, being upset and disappointed do not mean we have to cast stones at people. Seriously, there is a better and more respectful way of expressing disappointment and concern.

Gosh... we keep talking about spreading Michael's message of love. Excuse me. All I have seen is premature judgement and double standard. How ironic?

I don't even want to imagine that one day the children will see all these hateful messages directed towards their grandmother and their one and only family.

You all may think you are doing the right thing by calling the family out. As a matter of fact, your action is not constructive at all. None of your words here will result in any difference in the way the family behaves.

With that said, I'm out of this thread.
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There is a different between spreading love and acknowledging the truth about people.

Spreading love doesn't mean burying your head in the sand and calling everything rosy. As fans, it isn't our obligation to like or even care about Michael's family. Especially when they use Michael as a ATM card.
 
xthunderx2 said:
Makes me wonder if we should demand a statement from the estate...after all WE are the target audience for this tribute...shouldn't WE know where THEY stand in all of this mess?
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I really think we should, because I expect they will provide something better in the future.

Like you I think the kids will be told about this, and since this will be the first JACKSON tribute, the kids, especially Paris will be honored to attend.
 
marebear said:
Does this mean at the tribute they can't sing his songs or show pictures of him? Since the estate is not invovled then I am confused what they can or cannot do. I think it would be better if the family and the estate did something together.
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As far as I know, they can't use his full name or initials, or likeness. Does it include personal family pictures, I do not know though. The songs, they can perform like anyone else.
 
The thing is Ramona, I think some people like to live their lives that exact way, with their heads buried in the sand, and believing everything is just peachy, when in fact, things stink to the high heavens...But, if they can ignore it, and pretend it's NOT there, they can convince themselves of this. Whatever makes you happy or helps you get through the day, I guess...My mother calls it, "Avoiding reality, when it's something you don't want to accept or face".

Ramona122003 said:
There is a different between spreading love and acknowledging the truth about people.

Spreading love doesn't mean burying your head in the sand and calling everything rosy. As fans, it isn't our obligation to like or even care about Michael's family. Especially when they use Michael as a ATM card.
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Ben said:
As far as I know, they can't use his full name or initials, or likeness. Does it include personal family pictures, I do not know though. The songs, they can perform like anyone else.
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They can use personally pictures since they own them. It is like how the family can auction off personally belonging of Michael without the estate acknowledge or permission.
 
I can't stand the backhanded comments about Michael. He was a good father. He was loving person. There is no need for but....especially from his family.I hope there is a Jackson everyday of the trial. The media to me would like to see Murray walk and his family need to be his voice more than ever now. If this tribute happens so be it but come the Monday they better be there.
 
@Ramona, thank you. Again. :)

@marebear I wish they would defend Michael when his name is dragged through the mud (Discovery, british guy whose name I cant recall, dr drew, dimond... ). I dont understand how that cant be more important, especially now. But that's me.
 
Anniesnotokmj said:
No, Katherine loves her son still as she constantly reminds people of. And, again here is the all or nothing attitude. That is your concept of restitution. As if saying, if she does not do all of those things then anything else that she does do has no meaning. I don't agree with that. She may be faulty on one side but it does not negate everything else she will do. I agree with your points about what she has said and done (in bolded), and I have criticized her heavily for this. But all of those faults does not automatically make everything else she does null and void. I can still disagree with Katherine on one point while agreeing with her on another.

@Ginvid, I have no doubts she loves her son, but my opinion still stands. I don't have a all or nothing attitude, that's your perception, and you are certaintly entitled to it. And, the only person she owes restitution to is her son, Michael, which from what I can see, she has not, there always seems to be a backhanded slap when she speaks of him, "MJ was a good father, but I didn't agree with the veils, etc., MJ's nose was like a toothpick, etc. That's cutting, and NOT something a parent of a person who has already been maligned in life, and in the press, should say to some of these same people who helped malign him!I was giving my opinion again, how I see it. And, I know the woman has faults, but until she can own up to why ALL her kids are screwed up, as we see, and her role in it, this cycle of dysfunction continues. Even in the face of the death of MJ, PPB are being groomed par the course, and I'm sorry, but that in itself is sad. I will agree with Katherine, when she does something that I can agree with, and I personally don't agree with these shananagans that have been and are still happening. People may say, but who are you? My response, the same person you want to fork over their hard earned money...you can't expect to have only good opinions thrown your way, when your actions make you undeserving of it. Your actions always speak louder than words.

@ilmjj, I think nothing of having reservations about what they do given their reputation. However, the trial has not occurred. People are saying they don't love MJ, they won't be in court, or that they are partying away simply from going to a concert one night. How they actually behave during the trial is yet to be seen. Their actions have not manifested themselves. So to attribute these things to them is to judge them for events that have not yet occured.
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exactly. also if she's so eager to point out Michael's 'flaws' in public, something she never dared to do in the 39 years he was in this business while he was alive, she needs to do the same with those other dozens of ''kids'' she's got. next time she can go on record ''revealing'' her feelings/opinion in regards to all the abusive/wife swapping and criminal records some of her children obviously have had and some of them still have a problem with. before picking on Michael's toothpick thin nose and ''odd'' parenting ways. throwing Michael under the bus like that, while claiming all of her boys where good parents are u freaking kidding me?! All of you boys?! At least half of her ''boys'' sucked and/or even were deadbeats at some point if not now. And if she's unable to do that she should stop doing to Michael, stop throwing Michael under the bus. The media fucked Michael over on issues as his nose and his kids/parenting etc a zillion times, there is no need for Katherine to add further fuel into the fire.





Seriously when I first read the posts in this thread today I though I'd try to stay calm, I even was despite reading a whole load of you know what. But as the pages grew so did the nonsense from some people. People are unhappy with this tribute, people are unhappy with the way this supposed tribute has been planned and is handled, and they have every right to be without a bunch of people calling them haters, or whatever. People here have every right to be disappointed or even angry at what the family including Katherine's pulled throughout the past 2 years. Now some here choose to ignore/downplay do so that's your choice. Some actions simply can simply NOT be excused no matter what ur last name happens to be. And all this nonsense about Michael would have/Michael did/ Michael said/Michael this/Michael that. So what?! We are not Michael the people in question are being judged upon their actions, not their name
 
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twinklEE said:
exactly. also if she's so eager to point out Michael's 'flaws' in public, something she never dared to do in the 39 years he was in this business while he was alive, she needs to do the same with those other dozens of ''kids'' she's got. next time she can go on record ''revealing'' her feelings/opinion in regards to all the abusive/wife swapping and criminal records some of her children obviously had and some of them still have a problem with. before picking on Michael's toothpick thin nose and ''odd'' parenting ways. throwing Michael under the bus like that while claiming all of her boys where good parents are freaking kidding me?! All of you boys?! At least half of her ''boys'' sucked and/or even were deadbeats at some point if not now.
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Please do not remind me of the "toothpick thin nose".
 
love is magical said:
I honestly don't understand such attitude. I really can't relate to such degree of anger and bitterness. You think I'm not upset? You think I'm not disappointed? But, being upset and disappointed do not mean we have to cast stones at people. Seriously, there is a better and more respectful way of expressing disappointment and concern.

Gosh... we keep talking about spreading Michael's message of love. Excuse me. All I have seen is premature judgement and double standard. How ironic?

I don't even want to imagine that one day the children will see all these hateful messages directed towards their grandmother and their one and only family.

You all may think you are doing the right thing by calling the family out. As a matter of fact, your action is not constructive at all. None of your words here will result in any difference in the way the family behaves.

With that said, I'm out of this thread.
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There's not a fanbase alive that does any of this wait and see nonsense. Something looks or seems foul, fans always speak on it. Why expect to see something different on this board?

I could understand you more if the family had this wonderful history of always having and doing the best for MJ, but very seldom have they done that, so of course fans are tripping over this tribute.
 
twinklEE said:
exactly. also if she's so eager to point out Michael's 'flaws' in public, something she never dared to do in the 39 years he was in this business while he was alive, she needs to do the same with those other dozens of ''kids'' she's got. next time she can go on record ''revealing'' her feelings/opinion in regards to all the abusive/wife swapping and criminal records some of her children obviously have had and some of them still have a problem with. before picking on Michael's toothpick thin nose and ''odd'' parenting ways. throwing Michael under the bus like that, while claiming all of her boys where good parents are u freaking kidding me?! All of you boys?! At least half of her ''boys'' sucked and/or even were deadbeats at some point if not now. And if she's unable to that she should stop doing to Michael, stop throwing Michael under the bus. The media fucked Michael over on issues as his nose and his kids/parenting etc a zillion times, there is no need for Katherine to add further fuel into the fire.
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I was about to say something on this subject, but you beat me to it. lol

Some fans try to defend her comments by saying it her opinion and she's his mother and she can criticize some of Michael's actions. Which I do agree. She has the right to have an opinion and I am sure she didn't see eye to eye with Michael on everything.

The problem, however, is the fact she chose to share these opinions after Michael had died and he's no longer to justify his actions. When he was alive, Mrs. Jackson didn't say anything like this. When asked about his parenting skills and surgeries she always said it was his life, he was a good father, and his kids were happy and healthy. Now, after he has passed, she feels the need to share her views on Michael that she didn't dare state when he was here. That is underhanded, no matter who it is.

It also doesn't help that she won't say anything bad about her other kids. She didn't agree with the veils, but doesn't mind Randy and Jermaine being deadbeat fathers with their baby mommas living in her house and one going to jail for spousal abuse? She talks about Michael's nose, but doesn't acknowledge that everyone in that family, except Jackie, had some kind of facial surgery including her. How about Toya who morphed her face to look more like Michael over the years?

Taking all this in mind, her comments come across like she is just given the people she's talking to meat to be serve.
 
Petrarose said:
I really think we should, because I expect they will provide something better in the future.

Like you I think the kids will be told about this, and since this will be the first JACKSON tribute, the kids, especially Paris will be honored to attend.
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Originally Posted by xthunderx2
Makes me wonder if we should demand a statement from the estate...after all WE are the target audience for this tribute...shouldn't WE know where THEY stand in all of this mess?
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What more should they say? The very same day the "tribute" was announced, they released a statement to CNN stating they are not part of the "flopbute". And so far, every report I've read make note of the fact the estate wasn't involved, nor were the organizers given permission to use MJ's name. So by asking the estate to keep releasing the same statement again, Jacksons fanatics will be happy to use the estate as a scapegoat WHEN the "tribute" fails.

So, I think it is best the execs do like us, watch the train wreck and shake their heads.
 
MJStorm said:
I see that usually the members who "thank you" ginvid are 'love is magical', 'Arklove' and 'KingMikeJ'.

Very interesting. :candy:
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so? Let people have an opinion and express it.
 
Firstly DO NOT attack and call out my staff in this manner again, they do what they out of love for this community and by giving it up for nothing in return.

Second play nicely or we will make example's

And why can we not just discuss anymore without it becoming a petty squabble.

Guys get to grips will you, please for the community.

Rant over get back to the discussion respectfully.


Thank you.
 
twinklEE said:
right the ''Michael card'' is being pulled again by the usual suspects as always, how come Michael's own family is too ignorant to get Michael's 'message of love' but we- fans- are expected to live by it. does hypocrisy even have a limit with some of you people.
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Exactly.
 
Memefan said:
What more should they say? The very same day the "tribute" was announced, they released a statement to CNN stating they are not part of the "flopbute". And so far, every report I've read make note of the fact the estate wasn't involved, nor were the organizers given permission to use MJ's name. So by asking the estate to keep releasing the same statement again, Jacksons fanatics will be happy to use the estate as a scapegoat WHEN the "tribute" fails.

So, I think it is best the execs do like us, watch the train wreck and shake their heads.
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yes I see now...after I got the response from them..I understood that there is nothing more for them to add to this,,,unless rules are broken...the estate is out of it.
 
Ben said:
@Ramona, thank you. Again. :)

@marebear I wish they would defend Michael when his name is dragged through the mud (Discovery, british guy whose name I cant recall, dr drew, dimond... ). I dont understand how that cant be more important, especially now. But that's me.
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Oh yeah I have noticed Dr. Drew lately. It's like poor Murray. If this is how the media is going to be then I don't how I am going to deal with the trial. Makes me want to scream and want to cry. If this happened to an ordinary, everyday person there would be outrage. His family need to show that and not say they feel sorry for Murray and go along with these people in the media.

It's not that his family can't do a tribute. They can but the timing isn't great and when it seems like there is no media or public support for Michael on this (like in 2005 too) then his famliy have to stop thinking of what they are getting out of something related to Michael and just think of Michael. He should not have died and not like the way he did. There is always a time for tributes.
 
Gaz said:
Firstly DO NOT attack and call out my staff in this manner again, they do what they out of love for this community and by giving it up for nothing in return.

Second play nicely or we will make example's

And why can we not just discuss anymore without it becoming a petty squabble.

Guys get to grips will you, please for the community.

Rant over get back to the discussion respectfully.


Thank you.
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With all due respect Gaz, though I don't agree with the Ginvid call out's as she's done nothing but share her opinions and feelings which imo have changed somewhat over time,but those are her opinions and she's entitled to them.
But, if people do wrong, including your staff, because they like all of us; they are human beings, it should be brought to attention without threats made by fellow staff members.
 
twinklEE said:
With all due respect Gaz, though I don't agree with the Ginvid call out's as she's done nothing but share her opinions and feelings which imo have changed somewhat over time,but those are her opinions and she's entitled to them.
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Exactly, so why call her out?

But, if people do wrong, including your staff, because they like all of us; are human beings, it should be brought to attention without threats made by fellow staff members.
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What did ginvid do wrong by having an opinion on this subject?
 
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