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Jackson family tribute concert / October 8th, 2011 / Initial details @ post 87

Do you plan to attend Michael Forever Tribute?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 1.7%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 13 7.3%

  • No

    Votes: 162 91.0%
  • Total voters
    178
ivy said:
I didn't want this to get personal but I lost my grandfather in a hit and run by a drunk driver and lived through IVM and civil trials so I do have an idea. Life as we know it as a family had came to stop and nothing else mattered. I can clearly say if it was my family member, I wouldn't do the same. Because you know why? When you feel that your loved one is taken from you early and unfairly, all you want to see is that the person responsible pays for what they have done. and yes the trial is difficult , painful, nerve wrecking and every other adjective that you can think of but you brave through it because it's not about you or how you feel but the person that is lost and cannot speak for themselves.

but on the other hand I guess Jacksons attendance can be explained by that they don't seem to blame Murray.
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First of all, I am deeply sorry for the lost of your grandfather and I hope getting justice for him brought you some peace.

On topic, this list is actually better than I expected. I was surprise to at least recognize some of the names on the list. However, I do wonder if these performers realized what they are getting into. These names maybe good enough of you live in the UK already or in the nearby area, but I can't imagine people flying overseas to see this. This also boarders on false hype because Global Live has been promising big stars and this list doesn't cut it. Not to mention Global Live crappy attitude towards fans and the Jacksons' line of thinking that fans will run to anything with Michael's name on it.

As for the whole comparison to the Freddy Mercury Tribute, to be honest you can't really compare the two. Freddy died tragically from naturally causes from an illness that people didn't understand back then. His concert helped supported a cause to understand AIDS so people didn't have to suffer the same faith as Freddy. So in a sense, his tribute was held so his death wouldn't have been in vain.

Michael died because someone killed him. What can his tribute give to somehow make his death better? It simply doesn't. You can have a tribute to Michael 10 years from now and it wouldn't make much of a different than it does having one right now. As people pointed out, this makes the people who love Michael seem petty and disconnected. White they are planning this concert, the person who killed they love one is allow to go free without any kind of protest from the family. This isn't about fans' reaction, this is their father, son, uncle, and brother and yet they feel a need to hold a celebration instead of trying to act as Michael's voice.

It gets even worst if you take in mind that some in the family thinks Michael was murder on purpose for the sake of money. They claim to know names, but they still feel the need to hold a concert?

You know what this tells me as an outsider? This tells me that Michael getting killed or even purposely murder means nothing because at the end of the day he was just musician, not the person. It is much more important to sing his songs and talk about his musical impact then to acknowledge as a person who was killed. Because if they did see Michael as a full person and not as some kind of object, how can they even think about having this concert? How can they think 'withholding' information from the LAPD and make people pay for it in books and in interviews.

Personally issues aside, this is the thing I have come to hate about this family. They don't seem to see Michael as a human, but as nothing more than 'The King of Pop'.
 
marebear said:
I feel like if this turns into a disaster or disappointment that the media will trash Michael and say that no one wants to do a tribute for him. I want him to have the best.
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thats exactly what will happen.but the fanily have been throwing mj under a bus for the last two years so they dont care.if they did care they would work with the estate and not take an offer from a company that was set up a few months ago and have it at a random place like cardiff but i guess the 100K was to good to turn down along with the charity donation set up
 
ginvid said:
Where did I say people cannot express their opinions about things? I can tell you where, never. There is a point where things transfer over from just becoming an opinion of disdain and things becoming a slaughter. Many of the comments in this thread are a slaughter of everyone involved in this, even when they are not to blame, just because they are unhappy with particular aspects of it.

I repeat again, this has been what I have been commenting on. As i said before, everyone will feel differntly about what is taking place. Who am I to say they cannot express that? Howver, when things just turn to being mean spirited, I am going to comment as well.
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I never said you said that. And I haven't seen anything I would qualify as slaughter, personally. Disgust, sadness, anger, disappointement, certainly.
 
Ramona122003 said:
First of all, I am deeply sorry for the lost of your grandfather and I hope getting justice for him brought you some peace.

On topic, this list is actually better than I expected. I was surprise to at least recognize some of the names on the list. However, I do wonder if these performers realized what they are getting into. These names maybe good enough of you live in the UK already or in the nearby area, but I can't imagine people flying overseas to see this. This also boarders on false hype because Global Live has been promising big stars and this list doesn't cut it. Not to mention Global Live crappy attitude towards fans and the Jacksons' line of thinking that fans will run to anything with Michael's name on it.

As for the whole comparison to the Freddy Mercury Tribute, to be honest you can't really compare the two. Freddy died tragically from naturally causes from an illness that people didn't understand back then. His concert helped supported a cause to understand AIDS so people didn't have to suffer the same faith as Freddy. So in a sense, his tribute was held so his death wouldn't have been in vain.

Michael died because someone killed him. What can his tribute give to somehow make his death better? It simply doesn't. You can have a tribute to Michael 10 years from now and it wouldn't make much of a different than it does having one right now. As people pointed out, this makes the people who love Michael seem petty and disconnected. White they are planning this concert, the person who killed they love one is allow to go free without any kind of protest from the family. This isn't about fans' reaction, this is their father, son, uncle, and brother and yet they feel a need to hold a celebration instead of trying to act as Michael's voice.

It gets even worst if you take in mind that some in the family thinks Michael was murder on purpose for the sake of money. They claim to know names, but they still feel the need to hold a concert?

You know what this tells me as an outsider? This tells me that Michael getting killed or even purposely murder means nothing because at the end of the day he was just musician, not the person. It is much more important to sing his songs and talk about his musical impact then to acknowledge as a person who was killed. Because if they did see Michael as a full person and not as some kind of object, how can they even think about having this concert? How can they think 'withholding' information from the LAPD and make people pay for it in books and in interviews.

Personally issues aside, this is the thing I have come to hate about this family. They don't seem to see Michael as a human, but as nothing more than 'The King of Pop'.
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BEST post in this whole thread..thank you for saying that...and THAT is what is MISSING from this WHOLE thing...Michael the PERSON. Fans want justice for Michael the person...we dont need a tribute concert UNTIL Michael the PERSON gets JUSTICE..
 
elusive moonwalker said:
thats exactly what will happen.but the fanily have been throwing mj under a bus for the last two years so they dont care.if they did care they would work with the estate and not take an offer from a company that was set up a few months ago and have it at a random place like cardiff but i guess the 100K was to good to turn down along with the charity donation set up
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It's always Michael that ends up paying for it when his family do these things. I wish it could be different.
 
ivy said:
I didn't want this to get personal but I lost my grandfather in a hit and run by a drunk driver and lived through IVM and civil trials so I do have an idea. Life as we know it as a family had came to stop and nothing else mattered. I can clearly say if it was my family member, I wouldn't do the same. Because you know why? When you feel that your loved one is taken from you early and unfairly, all you want to see is that the person responsible pays for what they have done. and yes the trial is difficult , painful, nerve wrecking and every other adjective that you can think of but you brave through it because it's not about you or how you feel but the person that is lost and cannot speak for themselves.

but on the other hand I guess Jacksons attendance can be explained by that they don't seem to blame Murray.
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Ivy, I am sorry for your loss, but, you and your family are not everyone in the world. What happens to you and how you all cope and deal should not be projected on anyone else. And, as I have said numerous times before, them going to one concert out of the whole trial does not mean that they feel the person who is lost is not worth anything. I don't know how anyone who has seen how Kath looks when she talks about MJ can say she reflects anything other than a very tender love for her son. Now I will call the Jacksons greedy, I do think they have made very bad decisions, but I would never say, esp Kath, that there was no love there. Kath is not performing, she is attending. She is going to sit through unspeakable testimony at the trail hearing all of the terrible things people will say about him to get Murray off and then she is going to take one day and listen to people honor him and sing his songs, and tell how he made them feel and inspired them. I can't imagine that for a mother of a man that famous, that hearing that huge contrast might not be therapeutic for her and help her garner the strength to continue in court.

People are judging them for actions that have not even occured. For all you know, Kath may not miss a day at all in court despite attending this concert. I am also sure that she would like a distraction for his children considering that the trial coverage is going to be everywhere. For some of you it has to be all or nothing. You don't take into account any other issues at play here that you have no idea about. Yet, that does not prevent some of you from hurling the most insidious and unfeeling insults at the family, the performers, and the fans willing to attend.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
legally they cant do anything.but theres nothing to say they wont organise a real tribute in the future.they have mentioned doing one previously.the jacksons wont work with the estate as they will make no money out of it then.so i doubt the estate could even get involved in this.the family wouldnt want it
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thank you Elusive..guess we shall see .
 
Ben said:
I never said you said that. And I haven't seen anything I would qualify as slaughter, personally. Disgust, sadness, anger, disappointement, certainly.
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Well that is the point of an opine. That fact that it is your opinion signifies that others will see it differently. I commented on how I saw it.
 
YES, Katherine loved her son, but let's be real here...she's used her son just like the rest of them, since he was 5 years old, and that hasn't stopped. She even guilted and pressured her son into doing things for the family that he personally did not want to do. So, yes, I understand that she loved her son, but she also saw her son as a cash register/performing monkey in a circus, since the time he was 5...That's what bothers the hell out of ME! If she really want to do something sincere for HIM, how about apologize and STOP putting him, his plastic surgery, and his parenting skills down in public and using his kids the same way you did HIM! BS.
 
I don't think I am judging the Jackson's for things that have not yet occurred. It is some of the things they have done in the past and their behavior then that makes me question them now.
 
ilmjj said:
Don't you think the Cascio family has been judged and found guilty by some here? Does anybody know them?
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Yes, I think some of us have judged the Casios withoug knowing. I admit I was guitly of such. Sometimes, we let our emotions overwhelm our reasonings.

We actually had a lengthy discussion on such topic at the Debate thread a day or two ago. I can't speak for others. For me, I always remind myself to not make any baseless assumption. Our emotions and opinions are subjective which can be wrong. I don't think you can find any posts of mine where I openly accused the Cascios of any wrongdoing.

Just like how my opinions on the Cascios can be wrong, my opinions on the Jacksons can be wrong too.
 
ilmjj said:
I don't think I am judging the Jackson's for things that have not yet occurred. It is some of the things they have done in the past and their behavior then that makes me question them now.
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Why would anyone expect the actual fans of MJ to not question the family? Who's not saying the exact same things we're saying? I just came from a non MJ board and they were saying the exact same things about this concert and the family that we're saying here. Nobody should be surprised by the negativity aimed at them. That's just how it is when it comes to them.
 
ilmjj said:
I don't think I am judging the Jackson's for things that have not yet occurred. It is some of the things they have done in the past and their behavior then that makes me question them now.
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And that's totally understanable. I actually have many questions myself. Why the confusing ticketing system? Why Global Live? Why not cooperate with the Estate? Why Cardiff?

But, most here go beyond asking questions and having doubts. This thread has become public lynching. People prematurely call this tribute a failure and a money grabbing scheme. Is it impossible that the tribute can turn out fine? Smokey Robinson, Ce Lo Green, Christina Aguilera and Leona Lewis are not nobodies. I call Smokey Robinson a legend.

There are still two months. Is it that difficult to wait and see?
 
xthunderx2 said:
ok well I got my answer that I was looking for...I tweeted the Mjonlineteam to ask them what their thoughts were about the MJ tribute concert that is going to take place. There response to me was..."The Estate is not involved". So that tells me that the Jacksons have been given free reign to do what it is they want to do. I was hoping the Estate would step in and stop this nonsense and provide a tribute at a more appropraite time...I guess that will NEVER happen.and I better stop holding my breath. o from this point on out..my attiitude is this. Let them have their damn tribute concert...nothing I do or say will stop them..they DONT CARE what fans think..that is obvious. So for those that will attend...Have a good time...for those of us that wont because we dont feel that the time is right...I am sure that there is somthing else that we the fans can do after the trial that will bring more honor to the name Michael Jackson...maybe start a HUGE donation drive or somthing.....somthing MJ himself would be proud of.
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The estate cannot do anything. Unless they start using Michael Jackson (instead of Michael as they've been doing) and using his image to promote that crap...There is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING the estate can do.

Only the fans can stop them...by not supporting Victory 2.0. If not enough people buy tickets THEY WILL CANCEL.
 
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Ben said:
Which is why I wanted to correct you. You obviously didnt understand my post.
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You cannot correct what is not there to correct. I see a slaughter in this thread that is unnecessary. That is my opinion and I am stating it. i will not preface everything with IMO, if you can't figure out that quite naturally what I am saying is my opinion, then I am afraid the conversation is lost from the start.

Anniesnotokmj said:
YES, Katherine loved her son, but let's be real here...she's used her son just like the rest of them, since he was 5 years old, and that hasn't stopped. She even guilted and pressured her son into doing things for the family that he personally did not want to do. So, yes, I understand that she loved her son, but she also saw her son as a cash register/performing monkey in a circus, since the time he was 5...That's what bothers the hell out of ME! If she really want to do something sincere for HIM, how about apologize and STOP putting him, his plastic surgery, and his parenting skills down in public and using his kids the same way you did HIM! BS.
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No, Katherine loves her son still as she constantly reminds people of. And, again here is the all or nothing attitude. That is your concept of restitution. As if saying, if she does not do all of those things then anything else that she does do has no meaning. I don't agree with that. She may be faulty on one side but it does not negate everything else she will do. I agree with your points about what she has said and done (in bolded), and I have criticized her heavily for this. But all of those faults does not automatically make everything else she does null and void. I can still disagree with Katherine on one point while agreeing with her on another.

@ilmjj, I think nothing of having reservations about what they do given their reputation. However, the trial has not occurred. People are saying they don't love MJ, they won't be in court, or that they are partying away simply from going to a concert one night. How they actually behave during the trial is yet to be seen. Their actions have not manifested themselves. So to attribute these things to them is to judge them for events that have not yet occured.
 
ginvid said:
You cannot correct what is not there to correct. I see a slaughter in this thread that is unnecessary. That is my opinion and I am stating it. i will not preface everything with IMO, if you can't figure out that quite naturally what I am saying is my opinion, then I am afraid the conversation is lost from the start.
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We are obviously not talking about the same part of your quote of my post. That's the thing when you quote a whole comment instead of just the part you want to talk about.
 
love is magical said:
This thread has become public lynching. People prematurely call this tribute a failure and a money grabbing scheme.
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Stop defanging the fanbase. You don't want to lynch them, that's fine, but it's unrealistic to expect fans to not be upset about this.
 
I dont know if it's gonna be a failure, and again, I dont really care, but just looking at the ticket system/price makes it a money grabbing scheme, by GL.
 
I am not going into debt to fly to Wales to see Alien Ant Farm, Craig David, JLS, 3T and the remaining Jackson brothers. I am sure they are wonderful and will do a beautiful job but this is not the "galaxy of stars" they promised in their announcement of the tribute.

I am leaving this thread now. How can this be a tribute to Michael when it is causing this kind of separation and anger among the fans he loved so much?
 
MJStorm said:
You are the one who gave me Infractions for "disrespect towards Michael's family" :jester:
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There is a difference between having a opinion and being disrespectful.

Memefan said:
In the words of the wise & thoughtful Kanye West, someone is getting high on their own ish....and abusing their "authority".

Why the hell are you being given infractions for posting the truth?
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Don't accuse ginvid of abusing her authority. Like I said above, there is a difference between having an opinion and being disrespectful.
 
Ben said:
I dont know if it's gonna be a failure, and again, I dont really care, but just looking at the ticket system/price makes it a money grabbing scheme, by GL.
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Well, when it comes to tributes...it is ALREADY a f**** failure.

But as a money scheme..... I guess we could stay if they do pull it off (Which I am very doubtful of) it could be seen as a successful scam.
 
AngieJ said:
Stop defanging the fanbase. You don't want to lynch them, that's fine, but it's unrealistic to expect fans to not be upset about this.
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I honestly don't understand such attitude. I really can't relate to such degree of anger and bitterness. You think I'm not upset? You think I'm not disappointed? But, being upset and disappointed do not mean we have to cast stones at people. Seriously, there is a better and more respectful way of expressing disappointment and concern.

Gosh... we keep talking about spreading Michael's message of love. Excuse me. All I have seen is premature judgement and double standard. How ironic?

I don't even want to imagine that one day the children will see all these hateful messages directed towards their grandmother and their one and only family.

You all may think you are doing the right thing by calling the family out. As a matter of fact, your action is not constructive at all. None of your words here will result in any difference in the way the family behaves.

With that said, I'm out of this thread.
 
why we going in circle here ?tribute is being organize by family without taking permission from estate ,some of use agree with that some of us don't ,move on .i don't think going back and forth is going to change anyone's opinion here.
my only problem is timing and ticket system which is clearly biased .if they truly loved mj and know him as they claim then they should donate all the money to famine relief in Africa as mj would do .leave the time aside as end of the day they are in entertainment business ,may be for them show must go on.but what about ticket system ,that is completely scam ,as some of here say that katherine truly loved mj ,that is why she is doing this ,then why she needs check from them to do noble thing which mj could have done and appreciated .,not only kat but his brother and sister too which go on about how mj will be happy by this.we know mj wasn't happy about victory tour,what makes them think he will be happy by this victory tour 2.
so when u see from this angle it is big problem .
 
right the ''Michael card'' is being pulled again by the usual suspects as always, how come Michael's own family is too ignorant to get Michael's 'message of love' but we- fans- are expected to live by it. does hypocrisy even have a limit with some of you people.


I don't even want to imagine that one day the children will see all these hateful messages directed towards their grandmother and their one and only family.
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I'm sure it's not going hurt them as much as it will the day they discover the hateful, twisted, jealous comments their own relatives have stated about their own one and only FATHER, prior to and after passing. Those interviews, many of them youtube, words coming out of the Jackson's mouth in regards to Michael, are going to cut like a knife. And for a long time those wounds will not stop bleeding. And they WILL discover them, they may be to young/too blind/too naive/too much in denial whatever they are now, but they will not stay that way forever. They will grow up, they will see thru people eventually, be that at the age of 18/21 or even 45 the day will come, it's inevitable.
 
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twinklEE said:
right the ''Michael card'' is being pulled again by the usual suspects as always, how come Michael's own family is too ignorant to get Michael's 'message of love' but we- fans- are expected to live by it. does hypocrisy even have a limit with some of you people.
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The "usual suspects"? If you're saying I'm a usual suspect in spreading Michael's message of love, I thank you. :)
 
If this happens we will still wait for the real tribute from the estate, with current global artists. This Wales concert is simply a group of people who will sing some Michael songs for money. At least, that is the way I see it.
 
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