Jackson family tribute concert / October 8th, 2011 / Initial details @ post 87

Do you plan to attend Michael Forever Tribute?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 13 7.3%
  • No

    Votes: 162 91.0%

  • Total voters
    178
I agree with Ginvid. I dislike the idea that the family did not work with the Estate in organizing the tribute. I dislike the ticketing situation. However, I have no reason to want this tribute to fail. Actually, I want this tribute to work out.

It's not my position to judge any one of the family members. Just because they spend one night away from the courtroom does not mean they don't have Michael's justice in their hearts. I actually find it unbelievable that so many of you are so judgmental on someone you don't even know. It's extremely unfair to think it's not going to hurt Katherine and the family to sit through the trial. We are talking about a mother who is going to listen all the details surrounding her son's death. It's the most cruel thing I can think of to a mother. And, if she wants to spend a weekend away and celebate her son's legacy, what really is so wrong about it? Katherine Jackson may not have good judgement in the business area. But, is being a bad business woman make her an evil woman? Some of the criticism here towards her has become out of control. The people who know her (including Michael's lawyers in the 2005 trial) have only good things to say about her. It's only the people who have never met her who are bashing her continuously.

I said it before and I'll repeat. If people can enjoy themselves in the Cirque du Soleil show, people can also enjoy themselves in the tribute concert. Spending one night in a concert or a show during a two-month long trial is nothing disrespectful.

The organizers still have two months to work on the tribute. Why can't we just wait and see? So many of you prematurely deem the tribute a failure already.
 
I personally doubt I'll do anything else than try to follow what will happen in LA. It doesnt make me better or a more genuine fan than anyone else. Yes, I'll go to work, b/c I have no other choice. And because my 7 year old students might help me keep my sanity. If it goes as those last 2 years, I'll probably also miss quite a few days at work, b/c my body can't handle so much stress anymore. But I'm pretty sure I won't go to the movies, or parties. To tell the truth, I have severed ties with 99% of the people I knew 2 years ago. We each react a different way, and we face hard times differently. But, as Last Tear said, having a concert precisely at that moment of the year, is NOT a necessity.

Announcing a concert, using Michael's name, and the word "charity" to attract fans (who have been through hell these last 2 years), and then fans to attract performers was despicable. The reasons why some of the Jacksons will be there is despicable (I base my opinion on known facts). The way it has all been planed is despicable. The way fans have been treated on the Fb page is despicable and plain unprofessional.

I have nothing against those performers. To be honest, I dont know most of them. But a "galaxy of international stars"? Come on. Just one more blatant lie to add to the list.

Very nicely put Ben. I agree with everything you said.

In my opinion, no matter how you slice it, the timing of this "tribute" is wrong!

Why does it have to be on October 8th? Why?
 
People judge people everyday, without "knowing" them. Let's be clear, Katherine's actions as a mother, and these tacky, blatant ventures, not to mention the disrespect she has shown for her son in public, on national television I might add, is the reason WHY people can judge her without, "knowing" her. What she displays on the public floor, as has displayed for 2 years, damn well, tell most people all they need to know about Katherine, mother of MJ or not. She get's no pass, or better judgement than Jermaine and crew, just because she is his mother. She is the one you would most expect that would want to not taint her sons legacy, but she has continued to do just that. My opinion. And, I will judge whoever, if they are disrespecting a dead man, who is NOT here to defend himself, or continue to protect his children from being pimped out liked prostitutes by supposed family members. Katherine has acted her whole life, and she isn't immune from criticism because of her age/relation. Respect is earned, not just given, just because..


I agree with Ginvid. I dislike the idea that the family did not work with the Estate in organizing the tribute. I dislike the ticketing situation. However, I have no reason to want this tribute to fail. Actually, I want this tribute to work out.

It's not my position to judge any one of the family members. Just because they spend one night away from the courtroom does not mean they don't have Michael's justice in their hearts. I actually find it unbelievable that so many of you are so judgmental on someone you don't even know. It's extremely unfair to think it's not going to hurt Katherine and the family to sit through the trial. We are talking about a mother who is going to listen all the details surrounding her son's death. It's the most cruel thing I can think of to a mother. And, if she wants to spend a weekend away and celebate her son's legacy, what really is so wrong about it? Katherine Jackson may not have good judgement in the business area. But, is being a bad business woman make her an evil woman? Some of the criticism here towards her has become out of control. The people who know her (including Michael's lawyers in the 2005 trial) have only good things to say about her. It's only the people who have never met her who are bashing her continuously.

I said it before and I'll repeat. If people can enjoy themselves in the Cirque du Soleil show, people can also enjoy themselves in the tribute concert. Spending one night in a concert or a show during a two-month long trial is nothing disrespectful.

The organizers still have two months to work on the tribute. Why can't we just wait and see? So many of you prematurely deem the tribute a failure already.
 
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Can we just take a step back and see things from another perspective? This concert is a one-night event that takes place on a WEEKEND. It's not a month-long festival where people dance from dust till dawn everyday.

If you schedule your vacation the first week of October, would you postpone your vacation till after the trial?

Is it okay for Katherine and family to attend the opening night of the Cirque show?

If we all need to show our respects by not doing anything else during the trial, I say postpone the Cirque show too.

Some of you just want to justify your frustration and anger towards the family by picking this event apart.
 
@Ginvid I believe the message from Randy & Jerm are somewhere on this thread, with the tweets from Jerm explaining how they were offered "good money" to be there, and what he thought of the way it was organized (not). Sorry I can't be more precise.
I dont see myself as "extreme", a lot of people I know will go through this more or less the same.

I dont judge the J's for not being in court 24/7. I dont even know if I could do it if I had the chance. It must be excruciatingly hard. But there's a huge gap with organizing a concert. Would we think about having a fan event at that same date? I don't hate them for it, I dont understand how they agreed to that. Because let's also remember the J's are not the organizers.

The thing that truly pisses me off (sorry) is the fact that they associate with obvious crooks, who totally disrespected Michael's fan community. For all the reasons stated before.

I dont even wish this thing to fail. I hoped for a while that someone would listen to us. And yes, for a while it was so badly organized it was laughable. Now, honestly, I don't even care. I'm bracing myself for what's ahead.
 
People judge people everyday, without "knowing" them. Let's be clear, Katherine's actions as a mother, and these tacky, blatant ventures, not to mention the disrespect she has shown for her son in public, on national television I might add, is the reason WHY people can judge her without, "knowing" her. What she displays on the public floor, as has displayed for 2 years, damn well, tell most people all they need to know about Katherine, mother of MJ or not. She get's no pass, or better judgement than Jermaine and crew, just because she is his mother. She is the one you would most expect that would want to not taint her sons legacy, but she has continued to do just that. My opinion. And, I will judge whoeverm if they are disrepsecting a dead man, who is NOT here to defend himself, or continue to protect his children from being pimped out liked prostitutes by supposed family members. Katherine has acted her whole life, and she isn't immune from criticism because of her age/relation. Respect is earned, not just given, just because..

I agree completely.
 
FYI, the Cirque du Soleil shows have been planed well in advance. And it has nothing to do with the family, if you except Jackie.
 
I don't really mind the Jacksons attending this concert. What bothers me is the way it has been handled by the promoters. The ticketing system for example. Also the timing of the event, according to Jermaine and Randy they asked for it to be changed but nothing happened. And don't even get me started on the way they treated fans on the facebook page. *Deletes comment* *Deletes comment" "Why are you deleting fans' comments?" "I haven't deleted any comments." *Deletes comment*
 
Wouldn't we all want to be apart of something like this (obviously with an MJ song instead of this but you get the idea ;) :

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Good points well made. The Mercury tribute is the benchmark and I had been waiting for the MJ Estate to organise something on the same scale but they didn't - it's loooong overdue!

However the Jacksons' announcement wasn't very convincing from the start and very few people in the fan community could put much faith in it. It seems like that attitude has been justified.
 
Some of you just want to justify your frustration and anger towards the family by picking this event apart.
No offense, and I ain't trying to hijack the board, but this particular event is just the TIP of the iceberg when it comes to the Jackson family and their behaviour since Michael passed away.

In my opinion, they have acted badly, over and over again. And the majority of the behaviour has a DOLLAR SIGN behind it. In the beginning, okay, no big deal, but this pattern has continued and continued VERY BADLY, in my opinion.

Okay, back on topic: Where the heck is the GALAXY OF INTERNATIONAL SUPERSTARS?
 
Has anybody here been to the official tribute site??


"The world greatest artists.....3T..Alien Ant Farm... The Jacksons..." (the list goes on to name everybody already announced).


There isn't even ONE of the WORLDS greatest artists on the list LOL. Epic fail.
 
Child support is due on the 10th?

Does it make you feel better to ridicule Jermaine?

People judge people everyday, without "knowing" them.

Just becasue others are judging without knowing, we have to do the same? Have we not learned anything from the sufferings Michael had to endure in his lifetime.

Let's be clear, Katherine's actions as a mother, and these tacky, blatant ventures, not to mention the disrespect she has shown for her son in public, on national television I might add, is the reason WHY people can judge her without, "knowing" her. What she displays on the public floor, as has displayed for 2 years, damn well, tell most people all they need to know about Katherine, mother of MJ or not. She get's no pass, or better judgement than Jermaine and crew, just because she is his mother. She is the one you would most expect that would want to not taint her sons legacy, but she has continued to do just that. My opinion. And, I will judge whoeverm if they are disrepsecting a dead man, who is NOT here to defend himself, or continue to protect his children from being pimped out liked prostitutes by supposed family members. Katherine has acted her whole life, and she isn't immune from criticism because of her age/relation. Respect is earned, not just given, just because..

If someone talks about my own mother like she's a piece of dirt, then forget it. I will not listen to anything that person has to say. Period.

If I don't want a total stranger to trash my own mother, then I know I will never ever trash someone's mother, especially the mother of a man I'm a fan of.

If you think you know what kind a person Katherine Jackson based on her public appeareances and the business deals she engaged in, then you just chose to ignore the complexity and depth of this woman. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. Katherine Jackson is not an exeption.

Stop saying Katherine is pimping Michael's children like prostitudes. You know this is not true. Please don't exaggerate. The children are living in a safe enviroment. Unless you have solid proof that the children are living in a stressful environment, otherwise your claims are simply baseless accusations.
 
Very nicely put Ben. I agree with everything you said.In my opinion, no matter how you slice it, the timing of this "tribute" is wrong!Why does it have to be on October 8th? Why?
They want to take advantage of the hype that will surround the Cirque opening week.
 
Wouldn't we all want to be apart of something like this (obviously with an MJ song instead of this but you get the idea ;) :

[youtube]oYAR8RigqDA[/youtube]
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Good points well made. The Mercury tribute is the benchmark and I had been waiting for the MJ Estate to organise something on the same scale but they didn't - it's loooong overdue!

However the Jacksons' announcement wasn't very convincing from the start and very few people in the fan community could put much faith in it. It seems like that attitude has been justified.

That is what I have been waiting for too...the estate. I cannot speak for them of course...but I was thinking that they may of been waiting until AFTER the trial was over. Who knows maybe they didn't ever plan on having any tribute concert at all.
 
@Ginvid I believe the message from Randy & Jerm are somewhere on this thread, with the tweets from Jerm explaining how they were offered "good money" to be there, and what he thought of the way it was organized (not). Sorry I can't be more precise.
I dont see myself as "extreme", a lot of people I know will go through this more or less the same.

I dont judge the J's for not being in court 24/7. I dont even know if I could do it if I had the chance. It must be excruciatingly hard. But there's a huge gap with organizing a concert. Would we think about having a fan event at that same date? I don't hate them for it, I dont understand how they agreed to that. Because let's also remember the J's are not the organizers.

The thing that truly pisses me off (sorry) is the fact that they associate with obvious crooks, who totally disrespected Michael's fan community. For all the reasons stated before.

I dont even wish this thing to fail. I hoped for a while that someone would listen to us. And yes, for a while it was so badly organized it was laughable. Now, honestly, I don't even care. I'm bracing myself for what's ahead.

But as you said, I don't think the family is organizing the concert. They are just promoting it and attending it one night. So what is wrong with this?

As for the rest of your comment. I'm not arguing with that. Of course we are all going to feel differently about things that are taking place. Sometimes we will even find conflict within ourselves. My whole point was the unnecessary digs at people, what they do, and who they are just because a person doesn't like what is taking place.
 
I don't agree with the way this has been organized either, but some people are just using this as another excuse to bash the Jacksons.
 
But as you said, I don't think the family is organizing the concert. They are just promoting it and attending it one night. So what is wrong with this?

It also "appears" that a BUNCH of them will actually be performing as well.

But I'm "guessing" that this is an opportunity they can't pass up, for obvious reasons.
 
But as you said, I don't think the family is organizing the concert. They are just promoting it and attending it one night. So what is wrong with this?

As for the rest of your comment. I'm not arguing with that. Of course we are all going to feel differently about things that are taking place. Sometimes we will even find conflict within ourselves. My whole point was the unnecessary digs at people, what they do, and who they are just because a person doesn't like what is taking place.

They are not JUST promoting and attending. They are being handsomely paid to help a bunch of thieves milking the fat MJ cow.


And, as Annie said, as long as you make your actions public, expect people to express their opinion about it. I'm not judging their private lives.
 
I don't agree with the way this has been organized either, but some people are just using this as another excuse to bash the Jacksons.

what I do know as FACT...is that Michael would be LIVID if he knew all this fussing and fighting was going on. That is what I DO know. He would be very hurt by all of it.
 
The thing that truly pisses me off (sorry) is the fact that they associate with obvious crooks, who totally disrespected Michael's fan community. For all the reasons stated before.

The disrepect and obvious manipulation. The only Jackson closer to fans heart than Michael are his children. For Global to give KJ a $100k check for PPB was actually insulting. We know they don't need it, for Global to give it as some evidence they care for them as much as we do only served to show they think MJ fans are dumb.

I just can't get over how gullible the Jacksons are. Amatuers wouldn't fall for the sell job Global obviously laid on them, and the Jacksons have been in the business for decades. I know the financial carrot Global must have dangled in front of them had to be huge, but for them to hop on board for any sum without some due dilligence, considering their past problems with promoters, just boggles the mind.
 
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There are still people rejoicing over this on the Fb page. I dont get it. Are they totally blind??
And La Tonta, of course she'll be there. There's got to be someone to parade the kids on stage.

I see that some of the most recent facebook posts read as if they have been written by pr staff....new tactic (talk the concert up) instead of deleting uncomplimentary posts, I suspect.
The cheapest ticket price seems astronomical to me ( £87 - £55 with a pillar in front of you) regardless of who is performing. Who will consider paying £55 to sit behind a pillar?

I'm not sure they've thought about the prevailing 'atmosphere' for fans during the trial...it's not really about this being on a Saturday which is a non-trial day....I do think the general feeling surrounding the trial will spill over into weekends....I'm not sure people do 'switch off' on a Friday night when they have been closely following an event. All of the previous weeks' events will still be in every fan's mind, and even if you met up with other friends for a chat, you would still be likely to chat about the trial..I just don't see this being conducive to a joyful occasion.
 
They want to take advantage of the hype that will surround the Cirque opening week.

There may be some hype in the US but there will be zero hype everywhere else in the world. To organise this concert on 8th October to try and take advantage of the Cirque hype would be a very short sighted and uninformed thing to do. It doesn't make any sense to me at all because nobody outside the US cares about Cirque. When it tours the world then other countries will take interest, but until then it won't even make the news.
 
I think the J's know perfectly well what they are doing. It's a win/win situation for them and the promoter. Or it should have been.

Re-bashing the J's, yeah, maybe. But maybe it would not have happened if this had not been the hundredth BS we had to learn about coming from them...
 
I'm not sure they've thought about the prevailing 'atmosphere' for fans during the trial...it's not really about this being on a Saturday which is a non-trial day....I do think the general feeling surrounding the trial will spill over into weekends....I'm not sure people do 'switch off' on a Friday night when they have been closely following an event. All of the previous weeks' events will still be in every fan's mind, and even if you met up with other friends for a chat, you would still be likely to chat about the trial..I just don't see this being conducive to a joyful occasion.

Thank you. Of course not. Do you see yourself listening to the details of the last hours of Michael's life, turn your brain off and go singing?
 
Ok, I get it, you're a Jackson family fan...that's your perogative. But, if my mother is wrong, she's wrong, and she would rather I tell her, than someone else! I'm a Michael Jackson fan, NOT Katherine Jackson, or Jackson clan fan, so my allegiance is to MICHAEL, noone else. Yall need to stop trying to bring MJ into a convo everytime someone criticizes the crap this family is doing. MJ NEVER treated his fans the way these people have! We're all complex individuals, but the image you put out there, is what people see and form opinions on. If she didn't want that perception, she should have stayed behind the scenes like she was when MJ was alive, but she can't now, because the race horse/meal ticket is gone.

Also, I will say it again, Katherine Jackson and LaToya Jackson HAVE been prostituting MJ's children to the media for money! The FACTS speak for themselves...We don't have to sit, just look, observe, and look again...It's quite obvious too, for those who aren't blinded by the last name JACKSON. Anytime they need publicity, PPB's name are brought up, or they are selling pics or calling the paparazzi telling them where these kids are, to get the pics. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this. And, you just made an assumption and accussation as well, claiming these kids are in a SAFE enivronment...How do YOU know that!? You don't! If it was all that safe and condusive, DFS wouldn't have had to intervene. I don't call manipulating and using your deceased son's children for your and your families benefit, a SAFE environment. They're doing the same thing to these kids, that they did to MJ, and we ALL see how that turned out, HE'S DEAD!

Does it make you feel better to ridicule Jermaine?



Just becasue others are judging without knowing, we have to do the same? Have we not learned anything from the sufferings Michael had to endure in his lifetime.



If someone talks about my own mother like she's a piece of dirt, then forget it. I will not listen to anything that person has to say. Period.

If I don't want a total stranger to trash my own mother, then I know I will never ever trash someone's mother, especially the mother of a man I'm a fan of.

If you think you know what kind a person Katherine Jackson based on her public appeareances and the business deals she engaged in, then you just chose to ignore the complexity and depth of this woman. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. Katherine Jackson is not an exeption.

Stop saying Katherine is pimping Michael's children like prostitudes. You know this is not true. Please don't exaggerate. The children are living in a safe enviroment. Unless you have solid proof that the children are living in a stressful environment, otherwise your claims are simply baseless accusations.
 
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There may be some hype in the US but there will be zero hype everywhere else in the world. To organise this concert on 8th October to try and take advantage of the Cirque hype would be a very short sighted and uninformed thing to do. It doesn't make any sense to me at all because nobody outside the US cares about Cirque. When it tours the world then other countries will take interest, but until then it won't even make the news.
You are forgetting press coverage. I know the hype will be mostly in the US...but the world press will report on the Cirque opening
 
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