Jackson family tribute concert / October 8th, 2011 / Initial details @ post 87

Do you plan to attend Michael Forever Tribute?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 1.7%
  • Maybe

    Votes: 13 7.3%
  • No

    Votes: 162 91.0%

  • Total voters
    178
Oh Lord, how long before Joe Jackson submits the names of the "talent" he has in his stable of performers. You know, the "talent" that nobody has ever heard of.

Although his name doesn't appear anywhere, visably, I expect to see Joe being involved before all is said and done.

Because just like his "has-been" children and his "nobody really knows" grandchildren, Joe's acts are also going to have an opportunity to share the TRIBUTE stage, in my opinion. I just have a feeling, that's all!
 
Frustrated and angry over this announcement.

Christina Aguilera-her last album can be described as a flop and her film wasn't exactly a massive success

Leona Lewis-arguments within her camp over piracy of her new single,apart from Bleeding Love..not exactly a legend

Alien Ant Farm-1 hit wonders,enraged that they were signed,massacred smooth criminal

Smokey Robinson-attached to anything the Jackson family organise,lovely man but lets face it.....it will just be a 'hits' show

JLS-lots of tweenies idols,majority of who will have discovered Michael after his death and will question who the hell is Smokey Robinson?

Cee Lo Green/Gnarls Barkley- not exactly an international star or legend...just meh

Craig David-hasn't had an album out in years, just meh too, I definitely wouldn't buy a ticket to see either Craig David or Cee Lo Green if they had a concert near me, so why would I travel to see them?

The New Generation of Jacksons-I'm guessing that will be 3T...I actually don't have a problem with them playing tribute to their uncle, I think thats quite fitting. I don't mind other cousins-like Austin joining in but it should not be a Jackson variety show. Michaels children will most likely want to say something or do something but it should not be used for the Jackson's to promote 'The Jackson 3'.

Where are the galaxy of international stars? where are the legends of the music industry?

And then to watch this very very poor line-up... you can't just buy a ticket you have to be put in a lottery.

Is this what Michael Jackson deserves, NO
 
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It's a good point. U2, Madonna, Metallica, loads of 'legendary' performers were willing to pay tribute MJ when he passed, yet none of them are on the line up. Was it too short notice? Are they put off because the Estate aren't involved? Who knows...
 
Never ones to miss an opportunity these Jacksons, I hate to say it because it's disrespectful but Michael passing sure has opened a lot of doors for all of them. And they are certainly making the most of the renewed interest in the Jackson name.
 
It's a good point. U2, Madonna, Metallica, loads of 'legendary' performers were willing to pay tribute MJ when he passed, yet none of them are on the line up. Was it too short notice? Are they put off because the Estate aren't involved? Who knows...
I would say that the majority of them do not want to be involved because the Estate of Michael Jackson is not involved.

I would also say that "most" of these legendary performers have management teams and/or entertainment lawyers who have John Branca on speed-dial. LOL! (I'm sure that Branca is friends with a bunch of these folks.)

And the very first thing they would do, is ring him up and ask him "what's going on."

Then you have the fact of the Statement from Randy and Jermaine. In my opinion, these high-profile artist don't want to be involved with any family dramas.

Then you have the Jackson Family and well.......
 
Never ones to miss an opportunity these Jacksons, I hate to say it because it's disrespectful but Michael passing sure has opened a lot of doors for all of them. And they are certainly making the most of the renewed interest in the Jackson name.

The truth is never disrespectful.
 
How many people here are going to stop working the whole two months Murray's trial is going on? How many of you are going to stop your schooling and just focus on the trial? How many of you are not going to go to the movies during the time the trial is on? How many os you won't go out to eat and spend time with your friends and laugh during the time the trial is going on? How many people are not going to read books, watch TV sitcoms, go to the random thoughts section of this board, look at pictures of MJ and say hw sexy he is? How many are not going to talk about video games, talk on Facebook to friends about things other than the trial, and still preoccupy yourselves with random thigs?

For any who are, does that mean we love MJ any less? Does that mean that because we need, at times, a distraction from what is going on that we love him less and do not want to see Murray go to jail? Does this mean that because we are aware of other endeavors, goals, aspects of our life, that we don't care?

You're going to still go to work. Performing is the work of these musicians. Most would be doing something anyway but are willing to use their job as a means of honoring MJ. So why is everyone downing them for this. Many of these performers constantly praise MJ for the influence they had in his life and want to express this together with others who feel similarly. But they can't even do this without people taking every opportunity to down them for the many things they have accomplished. It is no wonder anyone agreed to this at all. The way Craig David was dismissed on twitter because he wants to celebrate MJ, it is no wonder he didn't drop out immediately. MJ fans want everything. It is always something wrong in your eyes. The situation will never be perfect. You may find yourself in a situation where when you would like someone to perform they won't want to be bothered and then you'll say, "Why is no one doing a tribute to MJ?"

That concert is one day, on a weekend. The trial is two months long and during the week. I am really sorry if some people are not able to multi-task but that is not the case with everyone. Most people will be listening to testimony and trying to decipher what occured. If later on you want to come on stage and sing Human Nature, how does this mean you do not care about the trial? Most of you will come here and get updates and then go back to your everyday lives.

I don't agree with the ticketing situation. I also don't agree with the family going behind The Estate's back. But I am also very fatigued at people constantly belittling other people because you don't think they are good enough when your real beef is with the family. Some of you have to find every little thing wrong to justify your anger even if it means tearing apart well meaning individuals. "This star is not big enough." "They are going to sing an MJ song, so they don't care about him or the trial". "They are not international enough". Stop being so judgemental. If you don't like them, fine. But why do people see the need to cut off fellow fans at the knees just to make themselves feel better is beyond me.
 
Most ppls issues are with the family not those performing. Why would fans care about a bunch of z listers who are as clueless as the rest of joe public about the family and their motives.
 
I personally think the issue isn't the fans or the artists attending to this tribute. It's the family's attendance and involvement.

How many families have you seen party away when the man killed their loved one is on trial?
 
Exactly. And thats what everyone in the thread has said. Have u read the whole thread cause your comments imo is unwarranted and has very little to do with ppls comments on here
 
I think what Ginvid is trying to say,,,,is,,,Dont be mad at the performers that are lined up..they are doing what they have been asked to do..and probably feel very honored that they WERE asked. To them they feel like they are honoring Michael. Hope I got that right. I see her point here....the only thing I would still like to say..it that it is imo....its still NOT the time for a tribute concert.
 
I don't think anybody's mad at the performers. Maybe they would have stayed away if they had known what was happening exactly re-donations, fans reaction, etc. And I believe they think they'll pay tribute to Michael, while (re) launching their careers.

The pb is with the family, who obviously lives in another galaxy than ours, and the promoter, who has shown disrespect and dishonesty.
 
I personally think the issue isn't the fans or the artists attending to this tribute. It's the family's attendance and involvement.

How many families have you seen party away when the man killed their loved one is on trial?

This is certainly my problem with it.
Yes life will go on, I will still have to take the kids to school etc., but to be honest during the trial I will be doing those things because I have to. I will have to go about life with a forced smile on my face, but inside I will be crying.

A tribute for Michael does not HAVE to happen during the trial. Of course we all want Michael celebrated, but for me this is not the right time and therefore I will not be attending.
 
I personally think the issue isn't the fans or the artists attending to this tribute. It's the family's attendance and involvement.

How many families have you seen party away when the man killed their loved one is on trial?
I agree.....none....unless they are clueless!! THAT is not even an excuse that should be used for them anymore.
I don't think anybody's mad at the performers. Maybe they would have stayed away if they had known what was happening exactly re-donations, fans reaction, etc. And I believe they think they'll pay tribute to Michael, while (re) launching their careers.

The pb is with the family, who obviously lives in another galaxy than ours, and the promoter, who has shown disrespect and dishonesty.

and THIS is the whole problem...
 
Most ppls issues are with the family not those performing. Why would fans care about a bunch of z listers who are as clueless as the rest of joe public about the family and their motives.

Oh really. Read what you yourself just wrote. Calling them z listers. How is that warranted?

I personally think the issue isn't the fans or the artists attending to this tribute. It's the family's attendance and involvement.

How many families have you seen party away when the man killed their loved one is on trial?

That is melodramatic and you know it. They are not going to be partying away as you portend. They are going to one concert where they hear the music and listen to stories of those who were affected by that very loved one. You have no idea how difficult the trial must be for them. Yet you sit there in judgement. Eveyone needs a time to separate themselves from the events of that trial. To not allow them one night to do this is ridiculous. Don't act as if you won't do the same. To say everyone has to done sackcloth and be hermits the whole time of the trial is taking taway the differences in people and how they cope. You act as if they will be spending the entire trial at concerts, when that is simply not true.

And, you say people don't have a problem with those artists peforming at the tribute? That is not true. I know you saw what people tweeted to Craig David just because he said he was performing. Suddenly Smokey and everyone else on that list are talentless nobodies. People talk about them as if they are not even human just because they want to pay homage to MJ. What is that?

Exactly. And thats what everyone in the thread has said. Have u read the whole thread cause your comments imo is unwarranted and has very little to do with ppls comments on here

See my post above about what you yourself said. I have read this thread thank you very much. And my comments are on topic and on point.

I think what Ginvid is trying to say,,,,is,,,Dont be mad at the performers that are lined up..they are doing what they have been asked to do..and probably feel very honored that they WERE asked. To them they feel like they are honoring Michael. Hope I got that right. I see her point here....the only thing I would still like to say..it that it is imo....its still NOT the time for a tribute concert.

The timing is a problem with the family not the performers. I happen to find nothing wrong with the timing of the concerts. I also think that until the fans here give up with all of their daily pursuits during the trial, then they have no right to expect of others what they are not willing to do themselves.

Other than that, thanks, that is what I was trying to say. :) :huggy:
 
Having a concert thousands of miles away from the court is not an everyday action like having to go to work look after your kids etc.its not a neccessity.so how u can compair the two i dont knowand yes lots of those attending are z listers obviously not all of them.but many are.
 
Having a concert thousands of miles away from the court is not an everyday action like having to go to work look after your kids etc.its not a neccessity.so how u can compair the two i dont knowand yes lots of those attending are z listers obviously not all of them.but many are.

That is in your life. Going to the movies, reading books, going out to dinner with friends, going to parties, enjoying oneself, etc, are not necessities either, but I bet a huge majority of you will partake in those activities as well.

As I said, until each person here says they will deprive themselves of any activity of fun for the entire time the trial is going on, then they have no right to point fingers at the Jacksons or those who choose to attend the concert or perform in it.
 
Having a concert thousands of miles away from the court is not an everyday action like having to go to work look after your kids etc.its not a neccessity.so how u can compair the two i dont knowand yes lots of those attending are z listers obviously not all of them.but many are.

I agree.
 
I personally doubt I'll do anything else than try to follow what will happen in LA. It doesnt make me better or a more genuine fan than anyone else. Yes, I'll go to work, b/c I have no other choice. And because my 7 year old students might help me keep my sanity. If it goes as those last 2 years, I'll probably also miss quite a few days at work, b/c my body can't handle so much stress anymore. But I'm pretty sure I won't go to the movies, or parties. To tell the truth, I have severed ties with 99% of the people I knew 2 years ago. We each react a different way, and we face hard times differently. But, as Last Tear said, having a concert precisely at that moment of the year, is NOT a necessity.

Announcing a concert, using Michael's name, and the word "charity" to attract fans (who have been through hell these last 2 years), and then fans to attract performers was despicable. The reasons why some of the Jacksons will be there is despicable (I base my opinion on known facts). The way it has all been planed is despicable. The way fans have been treated on the Fb page is despicable and plain unprofessional.

I have nothing against those performers. To be honest, I dont know most of them. But a "galaxy of international stars"? Come on. Just one more blatant lie to add to the list.
 
Like i said if u think going out to dinner work etc etc is the same then the conversation is going no where. And for ure info i work evenings ie when the trial is on. ive made myself unavailable during large amounts the trial is going on.casual worker so dont work dont get paid.but there is certain times like the begining and end of the case where there is no way i will be at work wondering what is goin on.or if hes walked or not. So yes im gonna comment just like everyone else has a right toAnd i guess the family been out if the country stops murray from calling them for the defence!
 
How many people here are going to stop working the whole two months Murray's trial is going on? How many of you are going to stop your schooling and just focus on the trial? How many of you are not going to go to the movies during the time the trial is on? How many os you won't go out to eat and spend time with your friends and laugh during the time the trial is going on? How many people are not going to read books, watch TV sitcoms, go to the random thoughts section of this board, look at pictures of MJ and say hw sexy he is? How many are not going to talk about video games, talk on Facebook to friends about things other than the trial, and still preoccupy yourselves with random thigs?

For any who are, does that mean we love MJ any less? Does that mean that because we need, at times, a distraction from what is going on that we love him less and do not want to see Murray go to jail? Does this mean that because we are aware of other endeavors, goals, aspects of our life, that we don't care?

You're going to still go to work. Performing is the work of these musicians. Most would be doing something anyway but are willing to use their job as a means of honoring MJ. So why is everyone downing them for this. Many of these performers constantly praise MJ for the influence they had in his life and want to express this together with others who feel similarly. But they can't even do this without people taking every opportunity to down them for the many things they have accomplished. It is no wonder anyone agreed to this at all. The way Craig David was dismissed on twitter because he wants to celebrate MJ, it is no wonder he didn't drop out immediately. MJ fans want everything. It is always something wrong in your eyes. The situation will never be perfect. You may find yourself in a situation where when you would like someone to perform they won't want to be bothered and then you'll say, "Why is no one doing a tribute to MJ?"

That concert is one day, on a weekend. The trial is two months long and during the week. I am really sorry if some people are not able to multi-task but that is not the case with everyone. Most people will be listening to testimony and trying to decipher what occured. If later on you want to come on stage and sing Human Nature, how does this mean you do not care about the trial? Most of you will come here and get updates and then go back to your everyday lives.

I don't agree with the ticketing situation. I also don't agree with the family going behind The Estate's back. But I am also very fatigued at people constantly belittling other people because you don't think they are good enough when your real beef is with the family. Some of you have to find every little thing wrong to justify your anger even if it means tearing apart well meaning individuals. "This star is not big enough." "They are going to sing an MJ song, so they don't care about him or the trial". "They are not international enough". Stop being so judgemental. If you don't like them, fine. But why do people see the need to cut off fellow fans at the knees just to make themselves feel better is beyond me.

Oh please, the Jackson's job is NOT to use and capitalize on MJ, the Jackson's job is NOT to throw him down the bus time after time, their job is NOT to muddy his memory and legacy with this half assed ''tribute'' which only serves their own selfish and self-righteous purpose.

If this had been well thought out, and planned a year or more, in advance with respected big performers, who could actually DRAW the masses, I don't think people would have such an issue. The point here is that this is another ''Vienna'' in making, and it's damaging, yes even severely damaging to Michael's memory and legacy. And in my honest opinion even a bit disrespectful to do it during the trial (probably was done to ensure the interest in MJ), despite knowing when it was going to start.

And it's especially disrespectful because his own mother is involved, who is behind this. Relationships with siblings most of the time aren't what they used to be during the childhood, but Katherine out of everyone should know better than NOT to organize a tribute during her son's killer's trial.

Whose name will be reported when this turns out as some kind of Z listed tribute it appears to be? The Jackson's? Katherine's? Latoya's? Jackie's? Marlon's? Tito's? Rebbie's? 3T's? Genevieve's? Austin's, Joe's? NO, it's gonna be MICHAEL's name that gonna be associated with this mess. It's gonna be MICHAEL who's gonna take the blame for this failure NOT any of them.

In your post you make it seem as if this is the Jackson's job, which is not true! Heck, the Jackson's aren't even actively involved in the music business anymore leave alone active singers. They used to be that, but haven't been active for some twenty odd years.

If the Jackson's had jobs ''real jobs'' or 'regular jobs' I HIGHLY doubt people would want them to stop doing whatever they do during the course of this trial.
What people, here or at least I, myself, expect from them during the trial is NOT use and abuse Michael's name for personal gain, at least during the trial.
All they have done for the past 26 months is to use Michael for their personal gain and agenda. They should at least have the decency to let it be DURING the 2 months of the Murray trial.

Their greed has already pushed some of them state they were feeling sorry for/sympathizing with/ Michael's KILLER. They should at least behave like common sensed people during the two months of the trial. I don't think it's too much to ask off of them, considering how they have basically done nothing else but used Michael, his children and his soul for personal gain since the day after he died. Enough is enough. And quiet frankly I don't think it's too much to ask for.

Michael deserves a great once in a lifetime tribute with A- Lister's and the world's biggest performers. He does NOT deserve BS like this, just because some of his family members are trying to make a quick buck. Michael and his legacy shouldn't be thrown under the bus for their personal gain yet again. NO, NO, NO.

The Lady Di, tribute back in 2008, was great. Why? because it wasn't rushed and most importantly it was organized with love by her sons, who imo had no ulterior motive but to honor their mother. Similarly Michael's tribute should be left for his kids to organize when they're 17/18 or older , or by people who're in the position to get it right, people who have enough strength to get the big names of today's industry.

It just can't be done by the Jackson's. The Jackson's simply lack the position, know-how and status to get something as big right. And I truly believe that the right tribute is going to happen in due time, whether it's gonna be his kids organizing it or the Estate.

Michael's passed two years, yet his killer is still roaming around free. I don't think this of all times, is the right time to celebrate Michael's genius and what Michael was all about. I'd rather wait for the perfect or near perfect tribute organized by either his kids or the estate another 5/10 years rather than have a half assed tribute with a whole lot of D-lister's.

Now bless Christina and Leona and the British group for wanting to honor Michael, but sadly their names alone are not able to pull the masses, to turn this concert into some unparalleled tribute fitting Michael and his genius.
 
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I actually feel sorry for the performers.. I think they want to genuinely pay their respects to Michael by participating in this concert. They just don't know what they are getting themselves into. This whole situation is very sad.
 
Elusive, I have said nothing about your ability to comment or not, so please don't try that. It conceivable that the Jacksons can leave a Friday evening be there for the concert, and be back in court Monday morning in time for the case to resume (I assuming a Sat night concert. I apologize I do not know the exact date). This is the point I am making. People act as if them having this concert is abandoning all love they have for MJ when this is not necessarily the case.

They have been making plans for this concert for some time as per Jermaine. The court case has als been pushed back a few times. Could it be that they were no longer aable to change dates or doing so would be at great cost? I know I don't know the answer to that. If someone does, please enlighten me.

@ Ben, you know you are an exception not the rule. Most fans here have not gone to your extreme. Also, how the fans have been treated over the concert concerning ticketing, etc, I already said I don't agree with that. But that was not the point of my post. please present here the factual information that accurately describes the motivation of the Jacksons for why they held this concert as I would like to see this factual information. Until then, all anyone has are assumptions of why they think it is taking place, of that we all have our own. But at the end of the day, we cannt read hearts and we are just at best giving an educated guess.
 
Ok, I see the direction of the thread is going in another way and I don't want to derial it but I feel like I have to vent about something for a minute. (This is probably going to be long)

I finally have realised why this thing doesn't sit right with me. For me I can't find the spirit of Michael in any of this.
I've been looking at the Freddie Mercury tribute between my last post and this one and it proves to me what a tribute to Michael should be like to honor him.

1. All the proceeds from the Freddie Mercury tribute went to Aids related charities. How hard would it be to give all the money to children's charities in Michael's name?
I'm sure many MJ fans would love to come and support that. If you see the footage from that concert you see united fans honoring their favorite artist. Why are we not given the oportunity to do that? Instead we have to pay money that will go to the Jackson family it seems. It doesn't feel like the way Michael would do it.

2. I'm not even gong to mention how many big singers and bands performed for Freddie. It just makes me scratch my head why they can't seem to get really big stars for this tribute to someone like Michael. (Like I said before I like two of the artists confirmed it's not hate, but I have to be honest here.)

3. That Freddie concert was organised within 5 months. Maybe it is a time pressure thing that is messing things up right now because if they would have taken some time it could have gone much better I'd think. Why the hurry? Why not take the time to create something that will be remembered for a long time just like Michael always seemed to do? I think we all have our ideas about that but it doesn't feel right because of it I think.

Eventhough the renditions at the Freddie tribute were far from perfect it was the spirit that counted.
Also reading about that tribute two things stood out to me:

"The concert was produced for television by Ray Burdis and broadcast live on television and radio to 76 countries around the world." and "In February 1992, at the annual BRIT Awards ceremony, May and Taylor announced plans for the concert. When tickets finally went on sale, all 72,000 tickets sold out in just two hours, even though no performers were announced apart from remaining members of Queen."

So it is possible to sell out a tribute concert without anouncing performers. The thing is that you have to have the fans believing in the tribute first. If we can feel the spirit of Michael a lot of us would love to go, I'm sure.
If they would just make a few changes I think a lot of people here wouldn't even have much of a problem with it except of course the timing of it. But especially with the family already divided on it how do they think the fans can enjoy something like this. Especially when now no money is going to charity unless you donate yourself (did I get that right?)

Anyway sorry for the long post, I just had to bring this up for some reason. For me it just sucks that something that could be wonderfull for Michael has to change into something that fans can't seem to get joy or excitement out of.
That's not right. It should be a celebrating kind of ordeal instead we are left with non-anwsers and shady business dealings.

I still try to keep a small amount of hope that in the end this will turn into something positive (Eventhough I understand very well where a lot of you are coming from and believe me that is my feeling somewhere as well) something in the spirit of Michael. He loved doing things big and I think fans feel he deserves that which he does.

Wouldn't we all want to be apart of something like this (obviously with an MJ song instead of this but you get the idea ;) :

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On that note I'm going to try and not complain or judge any more ( lol ) and just wait and see how this unfolds.
 
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That is melodramatic and you know it. They are not going to be partying away as you portend. They are going to one concert where they hear the music and listen to stories of those who were affected by that very loved one. You have no idea how difficult the trial must be for them. Yet you sit there in judgement. Eveyone needs a time to separate themselves from the events of that trial. To not allow them one night to do this is ridiculous. Don't act as if you won't do the same. To say everyone has to done sackcloth and be hermits the whole time of the trial is taking taway the differences in people and how they cope. You act as if they will be spending the entire trial at concerts, when that is simply not true.

I agree with your points, but I'm jaded where the timing of this concert is concerned. I don't think they're trying to pull it off now because they feel so strongly about an "official" one not having been done yet and they have this great need to see MJ acknowledged. Global is trying to get the jump on Cirque IMO, because to do the tribute after Cirque really gets underway won't generate as much interest and therefore profit, because comparatively, Cirque is going to be on a much grander scale, and get all kinds of press and attention.

In fact, one of the things I've hated about the tone of Global's grandiose announcements is that they come off as if MJ has not been honored and they're riding in on their heroic horse to right a egregious wrong. The fact is MJ has been honored all over the place. From the memorial to the grammys to cirque and much more. Global wants to get their tribute in while they feel the getting is still good.

And, you say people don't have a problem with those artists peforming at the tribute? That is not true. I know you saw what people tweeted to Craig David just because he said he was performing. Suddenly Smokey and everyone else on that list are talentless nobodies. People talk about them as if they are not even human just because they want to pay homage to MJ. What is that?

The way the talent line up was promoted would lead anyone to believe the MAJORITY of names on the roster would be on the level of a Paul McCartney, Madonna, Elton John,...all the top tier internationally known talents current and past. Of course, they do have a few major artists but that initial list is not remotely what was expected because of the way GLOBAL AND THE FAMILY promoted it. I totally agree that what happened to Craig David and any of the performers is wrong. It's certainly not any of the artists fault that expectations were as high as they are.
 
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