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Jackson family tribute concert / October 8th, 2011 / Initial details @ post 87

Do you plan to attend Michael Forever Tribute?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 1.7%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 13 7.3%

  • No

    Votes: 162 91.0%
  • Total voters
    178
So if the believers go to the concert cause they think they'll see Michael's comeback... they'll be fooled (cause MJ's dead btw...) and still, the Jacksons will have had their money...

When the family has to turn to people who think their son/brother is still alive in order to sell tickets... something really gets disgusting and desperate... Well, it's still their choice to go... nobody's forcing them.. they'll just maybe wake up after the concert, if the concert ever happens of course...
 
The countdown would have ended in one minute. Will we get the announcement that it has been cancelled in one minute or will they drag this out?
 
Well to those who plan to go, is it possible for you to wait until after the trial. It would be a nice gesture to Michael.
 
Petrarose said:
Well to those who plan to go, is it possible for you to wait until after the trial. It would be a nice gesture to Michael.
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So, for the people who bought tickets to the opening night of the Cirque du Soleil show in Montreal on October 2, shall they refund their tickets and wait until the end of the trial to see the Cirque show?

If people can celebrate Michael in the Cirque show during the trial, what really make it so inappropriate for fans to attend the tribute?

Isn't it true that fans can do both (celebrating Michael and following the trial) simultaneously? And, the trial is between the State of California and Conrad Murray. Neither fans nor the Jackson family has any say in the matter. Conrad Murray's fate will be determined by the jury and the judge. Fans can only be observers. Acutally, Jermaine and Randy Jackson can only be observers as well. They have no power in bringing jusitce in this criminal case.

And, how many fans can actually make it to the courthouse? There is no difference where fans physcially are. We can be at home, in Canada or in Wales. Fans can still enjoy the Cirque show or the tribute (if it happens) as long as we have Michael in our hearts.
 
love is magical said:
So, for the people who bought tickets to the opening night of the Cirque du Soleil show in Montreal on October 2, shall they refund their tickets and wait until the end of the trial to see the Cirque show?

If people can celebrate Michael in the Cirque show during the trial, what really make it so inappropriate for fans to attend the tribute?

Isn't it true that fans can do both (celebrating Michael and following the trial) simultaneously? And, the trial is between the State of California and Conrad Murray. Neither fans nor the Jackson family has any say in the matter. Conrad Murray's fate will be determined by the jury and the judge. Fans can only be observers. Acutally, Jermaine and Randy Jackson can only be observers as well. They have no power in bringing jusitce in this criminal case.

And, how many fans can actually make it to the courthouse? There is no difference where fans physcially are. We can be at home, in Canada or in Wales. Fans can still enjoy the Cirque show or the tribute (if it happens) as long as we have Michael in our hearts.
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You make a good point, but I just think it will look very disrespectful if Conrad Murray is in court in Los Angeles and the Jacksons are partying it up in Cardiff.

I can't speak for the Jackson family or for anyone else, so I'll speak about me personally. I wouldn't feel right at this concert, I'd much rather be by my computer finding updates on on the trial, and on this forum for support - because we know this trial is going to be hell.

I think the Cirque shows are different simply because they were scheduled a long time ago. The Jacksons wanted to change the timing for this tribute concert so as it didn't clash with the trial but as Jermaine and Randy told us, Global Live did not listen to them and went ahead anyway.

I also believe the organizers are extremely rude by silencing fans, deleting comments, ignoring questions, and on top of that lying about doing it when fans questioned them.

This is just my opinion, even if the timing was changed I would still not support this because of the way it has been handled by Global Live.
 
Yes King and I believe that many thought the trial would be over when the Cirque was scheduled. It could be that in April the tribute organizers felt that the trial would be over by October too, however, they knew way before last week that the trial was postponed. Maybe it is me, but I see a great difference between the Cirque show production and a haphazard tribute. I am with Jermaine and Randy for once> This show should be postponed until better acts are scheduled and the trial is over.

Right now the best news for me is hearing the show is postponed until further notice. Let the estate do something magical, tremendous, and take us on a great adventure--to paraphrase Michael.
 
KingMikeJ said:
You make a good point, but I just think it will look very disrespectful if Conrad Murray is in court in Los Angeles and the Jacksons are partying it up in Cardiff.

I can't speak for the Jackson family or for anyone else, so I'll speak about me personally. I wouldn't feel right at this concert, I'd much rather be by my computer finding updates on on the trial, and on this forum for support - because we know this trial is going to be hell.

I think the Cirque shows are different simply because they were scheduled a long time ago. The Jacksons wanted to change the timing for this tribute concert so as it didn't clash with the trial but as Jermaine and Randy told us, Global Live did not listen to them and went ahead anyway.

I also believe the organizers are extremely rude by silencing fans, deleting comments, ignoring questions, and on top of that lying about doing it when fans questioned them.

This is just my opinion, even if the timing was changed I would still not support this because of the way it has been handled by Global Live.
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I agree with you that the way the tribute concert has been handled is totally inconsiderate. But, as fans, we have no control in how they want to orginze things. We also have no controls in the trial outcome. Nothing we can do to bring Michael back.

If some fans do not mind the confusing ticketing situation, plan to attend the tribute, I just feel they also have every right to enjoy themselves and celebrate Michael. It's really nothing disrespectfull. We have to understand different individuals have different ways to cope and recover. Life still goes on.

I remember back in 2001. Two days after the terrorist attacks, my college reopened again. I needed to go to classes. On my way to school, I could still smell the buring plastics from downtown. People didn't stay home and grieve. People go to work. People go to school. People go to Broadway shows just days after the 911 attack. Was that disrespectful? I don't think so.

My experience may be a bit irrelevant. But, I just want to say that the most important thing is that we have Michael in our hearts. I just don't think people should feel guilty go to the Cirque show or the tribute concert in the middle of the trial, particulary when none of us has any say in the trial.
 
So the tickets are on sale but no artists have been announced...........

I doubt they have even one artist for the concert!!!!!
 
What has happened? I can't believe that even the Jackson's are this poorly prepared! Did they just think all the "A" list muscians would come running? I think they are running... away from the Jackson's!
Do you think Chris Brown was the artist that had close ties to MJ? They were about to announce and he had second thoughts? I am just thinking out loud here!
The people who should be talking seem to have disappeared.:doh:
 
Jackie last tweeted an hour ago. It's as if he didn't even know tickets were supposed to go on sale today.
 
I bet they are thinking what they'll do..

1. Tell right away the concert is cancelled and forget about this

2. Tell the world Beyonce, Justin, Chris Brown, Will.I.am and all will be there even if it's a lie, open the ticket buying right away, get the money, then get sued by the artists cause this isn't true, wait til they get the interests of the money before refunding the fans and paying the artists lawers...

I'm sure they are thinking really hard on how to make the best money out of it...
 
I never heard of tickets for a concert being sold and no one knows what artists will be performing. WTH?!

Who in there right mind will just buy it like that...:blink: I sure as hell wouldn't.
 
Jackie is still tweeting as if this tribute was never announced. Do they think we will forget about it if they just don't mention it again?
 
So no announcement? surprise, surprise!....NOT!

People this ish ai'nt going nowhere! They are probably now trying to come up with a proper worded statement so as to save face.
 
I think the cirque de soleil shows are different circumstances because they were planned like over year now and at that time no one knew when the trial would be exactly. This is a long term deal. This tribute seems to be rushed and the timing is poor since the family knew when the trial would be. I think the big problem is the ticket system and no one knows who is performing.

I hope no one gets mad at me for saying this. I think the family is not capable of putting this on or anything. They don't even get along or agree on anything. I watched that Dynasty reality show the brothers did and they could even put out a concert for themselves. They lack effort and commitment.
 
love is magical said:
So, for the people who bought tickets to the opening night of the Cirque du Soleil show in Montreal on October 2, shall they refund their tickets and wait until the end of the trial to see the Cirque show?

If people can celebrate Michael in the Cirque show during the trial, what really make it so inappropriate for fans to attend the tribute?

Isn't it true that fans can do both (celebrating Michael and following the trial) simultaneously? And, the trial is between the State of California and Conrad Murray. Neither fans nor the Jackson family has any say in the matter. Conrad Murray's fate will be determined by the jury and the judge. Fans can only be observers. Acutally, Jermaine and Randy Jackson can only be observers as well. They have no power in bringing jusitce in this criminal case.

And, how many fans can actually make it to the courthouse? There is no difference where fans physcially are. We can be at home, in Canada or in Wales. Fans can still enjoy the Cirque show or the tribute (if it happens) as long as we have Michael in our hearts.
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There are several differences here.

To me the main issue isn't fans attendance. Everyone reacts differently to situations. For example in the middle of 2005 trial I stopped actively following the trial of MJ because the way he was treated was way too much for me to handle. If today someone says that they cannot handle MJ's death and want to remember him in a happier format and therefore will attend the concert, I would wish them the best.

The family's attendance is the main issue for me. Because Michael is their blood, son, brother. IMO it's not appropriate for a family to party when the man killed their family member is at trial. I give Katherine props for being in court everyday in 2005 trial, this is equally or perhaps even more important and needs attendance. When you put a concert in the middle it just makes them look bad.

note: Cirque also is not a one time event. It has hundreds of concerts and will have residence for years. People who want to focus on trial can delay their attendance till after the trial.

Like mentioned Cirque deal was announced a year ago and dates were announced months ago. Yes the trial would be happening by the time Cirque starts but I truly believe that this wasn't something that they could foresee.

I can't say the same for this tribute from what we have seen in the last 2 days. Look to the recent news story that Global Live event's representative is telling that "contracts was being signed" on Tuesday, just yesterday they "heard" from a major artist. So by no means this is an advanced determined concert and it could have been delayed. If they came to us and said "look we planned this since january and we have madonna, lady gaga, u2, elton john, beyonce, etc etc signed up", I would look to it and say "it will be a hassle to reschedule this concert". but we know the reality they don't even have anybody so this can be delayed.
 
ivy said:
There are several differences here.

To me the main issue isn't fans attendance. Everyone reacts differently to situations. For example in the middle of 2005 trial I stopped actively following the trial of MJ because the way he was treated was way too much for me to handle. If today someone says that they cannot handle MJ's death and want to remember him in a happier format and therefore will attend the concert, I would wish them the best.
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The bolded part is exactly what I want to say. In my opinon, there is nothing disrespectful or inappropriate for fans to attend the tribute. Like I said, different people cope with pains differently. If fans do not mind the confusing ticketing arrangement, are able to make to Cardiff and want to remember Michael at happier occasion, I say let them be. Let them have fun and come out with nice memories. Fans should not be penalized by the mis-management of the tribute organizers.

If it is okay for fans to go to Montreal to attend the Cirque show, it's equally okay for fans to go to Cardiff. Mind you, I'm not talking about the family. I'm talking about fans here, from fans' perspective. I honestly fail to see the logic that it's okay for fans to attend the Cirque show, but not the tribute. The decision is personal and there is no right answer or wrong answer. If fans want to postpone attendance of the Cirque show, I respect their decision. If fans want to keep the ticket and attend the Cirque show or buy ticket to attend the Cardiff tribute, I respect that as well.

ivy said:
The family's attendance is the main issue for me. Because Michael is their blood, son, brother. IMO it's not appropriate for a family to party when the man killed their family member is at trial. I give Katherine props for being in court everyday in 2005 trial, this is equally or perhaps even more important and needs attendance. When you put a concert in the middle it just makes them look bad.
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We may not like her decision, but she really does not owe fans any explanation. Just because she makes a decision that I don't like do not automatically make her a heartless woman. In fact, we do not not know what's in her mind. May be she's bleeding inside everyday. None of us has ever met her. None of us has ever talked to her. I don't have any basis to judge her character. Spending a night in Cardiff instead of LA does not mean Michael's justice is not in her mind. Michael was her son. If it hurts all of us so much to lose Michael, I cannot imagine the level of excruciating pain she had and still has.

In the darkest hours of Michael's life, it's Katherine who supported him day by day. I simply cannot take that credit away. I want to wait and see her action during the trial. It's premature to form a conclusion now.

ivy said:
note: Cirque also is not a one time event. It has hundreds of concerts and will have residence for years. People who want to focus on trial can delay their attendance till after the trial.

Like mentioned Cirque deal was announced a year ago and dates were announced months ago. Yes the trial would be happening by the time Cirque starts but I truly believe that this wasn't something that they could foresee
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I never think it's an issue for the Cirque show to start during the trial, as I don't think it's inappropriate or disrespectful.

ivy said:
I can't say the same for this tribute from what we have seen in the last 2 days. Look to the recent news story that Global Live event's representative is telling that "contracts was being signed" on Tuesday, just yesterday they "heard" from a major artist. So by no means this is an advanced determined concert and it could have been delayed. If they came to us and said "look we planned this since january and we have madonna, lady gaga, u2, elton john, beyonce, etc etc signed up", I would look to it and say "it will be a hassle to reschedule this concert". but we know the reality they don't even have anybody so this can be delayed.
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I agree with you. This tribute is poorly organized. The arrangement is embarassing to say the least.
 
Waiting...... :timer:
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I see this new venture has the Jackson's ' epic fail' touch written all over it again, well I'd be lying through my teeth if I said I'm surprised.
 
love is magical said:
The bolded part is exactly what I want to say. In my opinon, there is nothing disrespectful or inappropriate for fans to attend the tribute. Like I said, different people cope with pains differently. If fans do not mind the confusing ticketing arrangement, are able to make to Cardiff and want to remember Michael at happier occasion, I say let them be. Let them have fun and come out with nice memories. Fans should not be penalized by the mis-management of the tribute organizers.

If it is okay for fans to go to Montreal to attend the Cirque show, it's equally okay for fans to go to Cardiff. Mind you, I'm not talking about the family. I'm talking about fans here, from fans' perspective. I honestly fail to see the logic that it's okay for fans to attend the Cirque show, but not the tribute. The decision is personal and there is no right answer or wrong answer. If fans want to postpone attendance of the Cirque show, I respect their decision. If fans want to keep the ticket and attend the Cirque show or buy ticket to attend the Cardiff tribute, I respect that as well.
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While i do agree that fans are free to remember MJ any way as they wish, I strongly disagree with some of your logic. First, the scheduling of the cirque du soleil show was announced in March 2010 way before the trial was even scheduled. second, in April 2011 the trial was re-scheduled to October 2011. so there was nothing the Estate and Cirque du soleil could have done at that time, since venues were already booked and other arrangements were already made. and making changes was going to be very expensive to the point that it was not worth the effort. organizing an event is a really costly and time consuming exercise especially events of this magnitude. takes lots of planning way ahead of the event. the Estate and cirque du soleil just could not change things in the middle of the night. there are lots of dynamics at play here.

third, this is very different to the GL tribute. Back in April/May 2011 GL specifically scheduled the "tribute" right in the middle of the trial despite complaints by some family members . they knew the trial was taking place in October 2011. so i think it is very disrespectful considering that the trial is about the killing of MJ. that is where the focus should be and not on some partying. As Ivy said MJ is their blood who had dedicated his entire life supporting them. so they owe this to him to say the very least. there is simply no justification for their behavior no matter how you wanna slice it. Plus, they are plenty of opportunies for a tribute and they could have re-scheduled to another date so that it does not coincide with the court proceedings.

We may not like her decision, but she really does not owe fans any explanation. Just because she makes a decision that I don't like do not automatically make her a heartless woman. In fact, we do not not know what's in her mind. May be she's bleeding inside everyday. None of us has ever met her. None of us has ever talked to her. I don't have any basis to judge her character. Spending a night in Cardiff instead of LA does not mean Michael's justice is not in her mind. Michael was her son. If it hurts all of us so much to lose Michael, I cannot imagine the level of excruciating pain she had and still has.

In the darkest hours of Michael's life, it's Katherine who supported him day by day. I simply cannot take that credit away. I want to wait and see her action during the trial. It's premature to form a conclusion now.
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KJ has really made it difficult to support her. And it seems everything that she's doing publicly with respect to MJ is about profit at all costs. this is really what is turning people off. while she does not owe us any explanation for whatsoever, she should stop trying to target us for profit through bizarre scams. first dodgy deals with Howard Mann and Melissa Johnson, the constant exploitation of MJ kids in return of cash, her connections with the fraudulent Jackson family foundation aimed at undermining the MJ Estate, and the list goes on. Pesonnally I make sure i stay away from her biz deals including the recently announced "tribute".

@ The bold part: I also attended the criminal trial and supported MJ through the years, Does that mean that he owes me anything? Absolutely NOT. So attending the trial daily should not be a justification to her disastrous blunders. she's the mother and hence had at the very least the moral obligation to be by his side especially when you consider that MJ had been supporting her till date his whole life.
 
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