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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yeh here in australia there hasnt been any talk bout wade's accusations only when he first came out with it on the american morning show
 
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I would really like to hope that the media is being quiet because even they are having trouble buying Wade's claims. But I think that they're just waiting for this mess to start building up.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Background info on Wade's recent career. In 2008 he was involved with the Cirque du Soleil show "Criss Angel Believe" as a choreographer. It was a huge flop, widely regarded as one of Cirque's worst shows ever. As a result the show was revamped - which meant that among others Wade's choreography was removed and replaced by someone else's...

It really seems he's had a couple of great career setbacks recently - he dropped out of or flopped in a lot of projects...

I wonder how seriously Cirque REALLY considered him for the MJ show after this huge flop...
 
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respect77 said:
Background info on Wade's recent career. In 2008 he was involved with the Cirque du Soleil show "Criss Angel Believe" as a choreographer. It was a huge flop, widely regarded as one of Cirque's worst shows ever. As a result the show was revamped - which meant that among others Wade's choreography was removed and replaced by someone else's...

It really seems he's had a couple of great career setbacks recently - he dropped out of or flopped in a lot of projects...

I wonder how seriously Cirque REALLY considered him for the MJ show after this huge flop...
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He worked on Happy feet 2
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sure this has been a big shock and nerve wrecking and so hard to understand, but I think this is dead news for now. Everyone I mention it to, has not even heard about it. Im in Australia too and just bought tickets to Immortal. Im taking the whole family. The seats seem to be selling fast.

On the topic of child molestation the impression I get is he is presenting it to be as something that was done in a loving way, that he was compelled to have to do and did not grasp or understand fully that it was wrong. So I just hope he does not feel the need to go into graphic details about it down the track because he says people need to understand more on child sexual abuse.

I think La Toyas comments were weird to say the least! She could have been taken the wrong way, I think she should have presented herself better. But as I say I think for most people it has missed their radar. I think the press in general have dealt with it diplomatically and not sided with Robson, which is fantastic to see!

If you watch the comments he says over again, he really does seem very calculated and presents himself as non believable. So I think he has made a big mistake for himself trying to pull this stunt. I think Micheal's legacy is too big to bring down now. May his memory rest in peace.
 
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Yes, I know, I was just trying to be fair. People still wanted to work with him after the Cirque du Soleil.
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Maybe, his behavior IS all prompted by a downward work spiral. People still wanted to work with him, but perhaps not on the scale he was accustomed to. Maybe, he was really feeling the heat about his failures and lack of major successes lately. Maybe, that's why he felt the need to talk about MJ's Immortal Tour as if it was something he already had a firm commitment. Whatever is going on with him, for him to exploit MJ and child abuse in this manner, shows he has serious mental issues.
 
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gerryevans said:
Maybe, his behavior IS all prompted by a downward work spiral. People still wanted to work with him, but perhaps not on the scale he was accustomed to. Maybe, he was really feeling the heat about his failures and lack of major successes lately. Maybe, that's why he felt the need to talk about MJ's Immortal Tour as if it was something he already had a firm commitment. Whatever is going on with him, for him to exploit MJ and child abuse in this manner, shows he has serious mental issues.
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That's what I've been thinking too. He might be using the child abuse "trauma" as an excuse for his professional failures - to the people around him and maybe even to himself. When his career was going well, he didn't realise anything was wrong. However, when things started going downhill, he suddenly remembered all the "abuse" he suffered as a child. How convenient.
 
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LindavG said:
That's what I've been thinking too. He might be using the child abuse "trauma" as an excuse for his professional failures - to the people around him and maybe even to himself. When his career was going well, he didn't realise anything was wrong. However, when things started going downhill, he suddenly remembered all the "abuse" he suffered as a child. How convenient.
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True and some therapists do keep telling the clients that their problems are due to these things. That is why people stay so long in therapy since they have a crutch to blame their failures on.

Those of you who saw Wade's work, is his choreography different from project to project, or does he have a central patterns so that you can tell that this is Wade's work? Sometimes people lose their creativity & ability to think up new moves/steps which could make their choreography a bit stale. You know like all the girls dancing in videos, dance the same way--it gets boring after a while.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Lets wait for June 6 and June 13, we will hear much more, and even worse.... than ever before from WR... it wil be a massacre ...
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This has had virtually no media coverage in the UK and I haven't met anyone who has mentioned it. Hope it stays that way!
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

LindavG said:
That's what I've been thinking too. He might be using the child abuse "trauma" as an excuse for his professional failures - to the people around him and maybe even to himself. When his career was going well, he didn't realise anything was wrong. However, when things started going downhill, he suddenly remembered all the "abuse" he suffered as a child. How convenient.
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I can imagine that. This guy had always been successful since his childhood, he was actually a wunderkind. I can see him developing a huge ego. But lately there's setback after setback - dropouts from major projects or flops. And maybe that huge ego just cannot take it. He needs to blame it on something or someone in one way or another.
 
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Saw this and it spoke volumes @tajjackson3 it's so sad how true this statement is. pic.twitter.com/NJnLVq5POk
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes, he archived success since a very young age but thanks to who guys and now he's no longer successful, he's accusing him of one the most horrendous crimes a person can be blamed for. I hate him more than Jordan or Gavin, they were susceptible minors at the time they were forced to sue Michael by their parents but Robson is a grown up who's looking for an easy pay day 'cause the checks stopped coming which makes even lower and coward to that bastard.
 
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Sometimes I feel that people want Michael to be left alone. He is gone and people are still trying to hurt or go after him. He died and he can't be here with his kids, family, fans and friends anymore. He will never sing another song or dance again. I know for me it's just enough already. People made his life hell for their own greed and agenda. I really feel that things would have turned out differently for Michael if he was just left alone. I don't know how much more people want to take from him. It's just cruel and sad and it needs to stop already.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It was cause Wade Robson's child got sick, that no contracts were signed.

"But here's the rub. A spokesperson for the Michael Jackson Estate -- which produced the Cirque du Soleil show -- tells TMZ ... Robson was "on the list of choreographers but his son got sick and he wasn't used." The spokesperson said there was never a contract between Wade and the show.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/11/wade-robson-michael-jackson-cirque-du-soleil-video/#ixzz2UX7CAv1p

So is turn around fair play, that is why Wade Robson told Matt Lauer about why he is doing this, because of his child. It is about a vendetta against the Estate of Michael Jackson because Wade's child became sick and then future earnings with the Cirque Show are now gone, so the Estate of Michael Jackson can pay him this way and all through Wade's child. Wow an all time new low!
 
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AliCat said:
It was cause Wade Robson's child got sick, that no contracts were signed.

"But here's the rub. A spokesperson for the Michael Jackson Estate -- which produced the Cirque du Soleil show -- tells TMZ ... Robson was "on the list of choreographers but his son got sick and he wasn't used." The spokesperson said there was never a contract between Wade and the show.


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He was on a list of choreographers before so even if his son didn't get sick, there was no guarantee that he would've got the job. Which is why it's so strange to hear him talking about it like it's a done deal.
 
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LindavG said:
He was on a list of choreographers before so even if his son didn't get sick, there was no guarantee that he would've got the job. Which is why it's so strange to hear him talking about it like it's a done deal.
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At the time of that video, he probably already knew he wasn't going to work for the show.The video is from July 2011, and the show started in October. In July, they probably already knew it was Jamie King.
 
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AliCat said:
It was cause Wade Robson's child got sick, that no contracts were signed.

"But here's the rub. A spokesperson for the Michael Jackson Estate -- which produced the Cirque du Soleil show -- tells TMZ ... Robson was "on the list of choreographers but his son got sick and he wasn't used." The spokesperson said there was never a contract between Wade and the show.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/11/wade-robson-michael-jackson-cirque-du-soleil-video/#ixzz2UX7CAv1p

So is turn around fair play, that is why Wade Robson told Matt Lauer about why he is doing this, because of his child. It is about a vendetta against the Estate of Michael Jackson because Wade's child became sick and then future earnings with the Cirque Show are now gone, so the Estate of Michael Jackson can pay him this way and all through Wade's child. Wow an all time new low!
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We don't even know if this sick son is the real reason, because the tweets pages back show that Wade was acting as though he was entitled & that they did not chose him but did not give a reason because they did not want to spoil his chances of getting work in the industry. That is why I think there is something more about why Wade did not get the Cirque job. That statement from the estate where they said the sick kid was the reason, could be just a cover to not disclose the true reason of what went down with Wade & Cirque, until they get more information about the filing. The estate is not going to go and say Wade was a druggie and was not chosen, so they will give a diplomatic excuse until things get to court.

I don't believe a sick kid prevented him from taking that job, only because this show is permanent, so if your son is sick you can have a nanny or wife take care of him while you go to rehearsals. It is not as though the show was for only 2 nights & the kid got sick for 2 whole days preventing the dad from going to work. Now if the kid has a life-threatening illness where he needs to be taken to a place like St Jude and someone has to be there all the time, I can understand. However, he went to the interview in LA with the kid, and we see him holding the kid in Hawaii, so how sick is this kid. His illness could not have been so horrible that it prevented the dad from taking a job with a hefty salary.

Maybe the kid got sick, but I don't think the illness prevented him getting the job.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He was just using his son as a excuse pure & simple
 
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Nobody does anyone a service discussing the health status of a child, nor does any child to deserve to be measured to be the perfect image of health based on a picture. Seriously, I'm a parent of a little boy who nearly got flown to the nearest specialty clinic and if you understand half of what Michael was about, you will leave the child ALONE.
I know that Robmeson was the one who brought up his son in general terms - but that's no license to online-dissect a child for visual 'proof' of illness based upon some paps picture.

Please, honestly, as a mother of a child with rather invisible health issues - please think again. This sickness speculation has been brought up here and I think it crosses the line.

Robmesome indeed put himself out there and when it concerns him, fair's fair. But chasing paps pictures of minors for signs of illness absolutely crosses the line. That entire illness thing is speculation here and as a parent I find it beyond appalling for MJ fans to partake in that. Sorry for being the wet, cold wash cloth with the lecture.

Robmesome brought up his son - using speculations about illness of a child to aim even lower firing back... not the ground to stand on. There are TONS of valid arguments against this ridiculous claim, but this is not okay. We're all hypocrites in life at one point or another, but that's the massive wooden bridge I would rather not have stuck in my eyeball.

Let nanny & wife take care of things? That's btw was exactly the reason bosses try to deny men leave under the Family Leave Act. These laws are there for a reason.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think his son was used as cover for what really happened. theres a reason the estate made the comment they did
 
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WADE ROBSON
Demands Joe Jackson
Shut His Trap ... OR ELSE


Wade Robson is going after another Jackson family member -- this time threatening legal action against Joe Jackson if he continues to spread vicious lies ... this according to legal docs.

Wade's lawyers fired off a cease and desist letter to Papa Jackson on May 25, accusing him of slander and warning JJ to stop dragging Wade's name through the mud.

The letter cites a video TMZ posted? ... in which Joe tells our photog Wade is being PAID to lie about the whole "Michael Jackson molested me" thing ... as part of some giant conspiracy.


Wade's lawyers unload on Joe for the accusation, writing, "Your statement is particularly reprehensible in light of the fact that [Wade] has only recently been able to come forward which is so typically characteristic and tragic for so many survivors of sexual abuse."

It continues, "Any trier of fact would conclude your statement was malicious, intended to further injure our client."

Then come the threats ... Wade's lawyers say they will not hesitate to "take any and all appropriate legal measures to vehemently protect the truth and commence legal action."

Translation -- giant lawsuit.

Source: TMZ
 
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Wade's lawyers unload on Joe for the accusation, writing, "Your statement is particularly reprehensible in light of the fact that [Wade] has only recently been able to come forward which is so typically characteristic and tragic for so many survivors of sexual abuse."
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They are trying so, so hard....

And BTW, who leaked this letter to TMZ? Hmm...
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

pot, kettle, black, wade?
 
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Brenda Harvey Richie ?@BrendaRichie 2m
Good Luck Wade getting Michael's Father to shut up! Joseph is not shutting up! I wouldn't and I'm not going to!
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

WTF? They're sending that to his supposed "molestor's" father? Are they for real? They have no shame.
 
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