[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade wants to sue Joe? hmmm. Well Wade, Debbie Rowe and many others said the same thing, so is Wade going to sue them? And lets not forget Whoopie Goldberg and Barbara Walters. Dumb idoit.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Not to mention how Wade defended Michael in two past cases where Michael was accused of this very same thing. I bet this other victim took the first chance he had to testify against his abuser. And he also obviously didn't go around for years and years praising his abuser before and after the abuser's trial to anyone who would listen. But Wade took the stand in a court of law and defended the man that he now accuses of abusing him. Not only that. But Wade did tributes to Michael after Michael died. I'm sorry. But I don't think that's normal behavior for a "victim". I hate how his lawyers are trying to keep the public and court from remembering all of that. And nobody would buy the excuse that a witness didn't understand the questions they was asked if they talked as good as Wade talked on the stand. So yes. I would say that he understood everything perfectly. There is nothing that makes sense to me about what Wade is doing. Once again, he could be lying about everything and be making these excuses claiming he was "not understanding" this and "being in denial" about that to cover himself. I still can't believe that he's doing this.
Let his stupid lawyer talk. People can see through this idoit. ANd when he made the remark, "normal" people know MJ did it, that was PURE PROOF this idoit lawyer is plotting. The more this lawyer talks the more he and wade looks stupid. Again, Wade defended MJ for YEARS and even paid tribute to Jackson. SOrry but people using "abuse" is starting to get on many folks nerves because some people know that is a easy claim and they think people will react without thinking and Wade and this lawyer is depending on those who are prejudice against MJ to fight this battle. Sorry but it wont work.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade's lawyer talks alot about wade being typical and characteristic of abuse victims and that's what they're relying on. By coincidence The mail had a very superficially similar story at the weekend about an abuse victim taking 30 years to come to tell of his experiences, and only getting the courage when he considered how he'd feel if his child was abused. It's interesting to read to see the differences to wade.



What's important is that this abuser was a guy in authority who didn't have a blemish on his character, clearly had no other accusations against him, and the sister says that there was no one to turn to, to believe their story. Wade had plenty to turn to - the da's office, the media, the general public - everyone was ready to believe him. Far from not wanting to mention it or think about it like this victim, wade's been doing nothing but being put in the position to talk about it, in court and elsewhere for the past 20 years. It was interesting to see how this victim felt angry at all the praise his school was getting and it made him resentful after his experiences - bit of a contrast to wade and all his mj tributes. Also, now the man felt his confidence was taken away and he became withdrawn - i imagine that's typical of abuse victims. Wade however during his period of 'abuse' was starting up a stellar career, financially supporting his family from the age of 10 and making waves in the competitive entertainment world at an amazingly young age.

This lawyer of wade's is going to have his work cut out if he thinks he can pass off wade's case as anything but typical.
EXACTlY. Also, MJ was investigated worst than a serial killer.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

When it comes to this, ANY behaviour from (alleged) victims is "typical". Speaking about the abuse non-stop? Typical behaviour. Not saying a word about it for 30 years? Typical behaviour. Hating the abuser? Typical behaviour. Loving the abuser? Typical behaviour. Repressing the memories? Typical behaviour. Can't stop thinking about it? Typical behaviour. Becoming shy and withdrawn as a result of the abuse? Typical behaviour. Becoming extroverted and wanting to be the centre of attention as a result of the abuse? Typical behaviour. Feeling guilty about what happened? Typical behaviour. Feeling victimised because of what happened? Typical behaviour.

The point is, no matter what Wade says or does, it will be considered "typical" of abuse victims. John Cartwright's behaviour after the abuse is the opposite of Wade's in many ways yet they are both "typical". I said from the very beginning that this was something Wade would emphasise a lot because it's impossible to argue with.
Maybe however none of these "typical" behaviors were ever on anyone who DEFENDED a person for 20 years EVEN in a court of LAW TWICE.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Also don't forget that TMez is a lawyer. You can't scare a lawyer with an empty legal threat.

edited to add: Wade is not suing Joe. He's just saying "stop talking or I'll sue", he will probably never file a lawsuit.
Well other public figure pretty much said the same thing Joe said and Wade did not threathen to sue them. Crazy.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Not to mention how Wade defended Michael in two past cases where Michael was accused of this very same thing. I bet this other victim took the first chance he had to testify against his abuser. And he also obviously didn't go around for years and years praising his abuser before and after the abuser's trial to anyone who would listen. But Wade took the stand in a court of law and defended the man that he now accuses of abusing him. Not only that. But Wade did tributes to Michael after Michael died. I'm sorry. But I don't think that's normal behavior for a "victim". I hate how his lawyers are trying to keep the public and court from remembering all of that. And nobody would buy the excuse that a witness didn't understand the questions they was asked if they talked as good as Wade talked on the stand. So yes. I would say that he understood everything perfectly. There is nothing that makes sense to me about what Wade is doing. Once again, he could be lying about everything and be making these excuses claiming he was "not understanding" this and "being in denial" about that to cover himself. I still can't believe that he's doing this.
And lets not forget, Mr. Ron Zonen CROSS EXAMINE was straight forward and blaunt. Zonen did not handle no one with kid gloves. The only way to survive a cross examine like his was if someone was telling the truth. Zonen was even trying to trip them up but they all held their ground. Look at how the DA's witnesses broke under Tmez cross examine. They broke down because those DA witnesses were lying.
 
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Not to mention how Wade defended Michael in two past cases where Michael was accused of this very same thing. I bet this other victim took the first chance he had to testify against his abuser. And he also obviously didn't go around for years and years praising his abuser before and after the abuser's trial to anyone who would listen. But Wade took the stand in a court of law and defended the man that he now accuses of abusing him. Not only that. But Wade did tributes to Michael after Michael died. I'm sorry. But I don't think that's normal behavior for a "victim". I hate how his lawyers are trying to keep the public and court from remembering all of that. And nobody would buy the excuse that a witness didn't understand the questions they was asked if they talked as good as Wade talked on the stand. So yes. I would say that he understood everything perfectly. There is nothing that makes sense to me about what Wade is doing. Once again, he could be lying about everything and be making these excuses claiming he was "not understanding" this and "being in denial" about that to cover himself. I still can't believe that he's doing this.

Wade's excuse of not realising he was abused to justify his previous testimony does not work on people who have actually read the court transcripts. Whether or not Wade understood that what happened to him was abusive is irrelevant because Wade was never asked if he was "abused". He was asked very straight-forward questions and he gave very straight-forward answers.

Under direct examination by Michael Jackson's lawyer, Tom Mesereau:

Q. You’re aware of the allegations in this case, are you not?

A. Yes.

Q. And are you aware, as you sit here today, that there’s been allegations that Mr. Jackson molested you?

A. Yes.

Q. Mr. Robson, did Michael Jackson ever molest you at any time?

A. Absolutely not.

Q. Mr. Robson, did Michael Jackson ever touch you in a sexual way?

A. Never, no.

Q. Mr. Robson, has Mr. Jackson ever inappropriately touched any part of your body at any time?

A. No.

Under cross-examination by government prosecutor Ron Zonen:

Q. Mr. Jackson would periodically kiss you, would he not?

A. No.

Q. Put his hands through your hair?


A. No.

Q. Did he ever kiss you on the lips?


A. No.

****

Q. You’re telling us nothing happened; is that right?


A. Yes.

Q. All right. What you’re really telling us is nothing happened while you were awake; isn’t that true?

A. I’m telling you that nothing ever happened.

Q. Mr. Robson, when you were asleep, you wouldn’t have known what had happened, particularly at age seven, would you have?

A. I would think something like that would wake me up.

****

Q. On the occasions that you stayed in bed with Mr. Jackson, would you ever cuddle in bed?


A. No.

Q. Would you lie next to one another?

A. No.

Q. Would you touch?

A. No.


http://charlesthomsonjournalist.blogspot.nl/2013/05/the-sworn-testimony-that-will-come-back.html

These are not abstract questions. If Michael didn't touch him, cuddle him, lie next to him, kiss him on the mouth, etc. like Wade says in his testimony, how could he have abused him? Either Wade was lying back then or he is lying now, there is no other way.

 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Maybe however none of these "typical" behaviors were ever on anyone who DEFENDED a person for 20 years EVEN in a court of LAW TWICE.

It doesn't matter. You'll find people who claim this behaviour is very typical of abuse victims.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Excuse, can anyone tell what Whoopi and Barbra Walters said about the Wade Robson case?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

When it comes to this, ANY behaviour from (alleged) victims is "typical". Speaking about the abuse non-stop? Typical behaviour. Not saying a word about it for 30 years? Typical behaviour. Hating the abuser? Typical behaviour. Loving the abuser? Typical behaviour. Repressing the memories? Typical behaviour. Can't stop thinking about it? Typical behaviour. Becoming shy and withdrawn as a result of the abuse? Typical behaviour. Becoming extroverted and wanting to be the centre of attention as a result of the abuse? Typical behaviour. Feeling guilty about what happened? Typical behaviour. Feeling victimised because of what happened? Typical behaviour.

The point is, no matter what Wade says or does, it will be considered "typical" of abuse victims. John Cartwright's behaviour after the abuse is the opposite of Wade's in many ways yet they are both "typical". I said from the very beginning that this was something Wade would emphasise a lot because it's impossible to argue with.

I get your point, but is it typical in any shape, form or fashion to have been a apart of TWO intense sexual abuse allegation investigations, as a child AND as an adult, and then at 30, say you didn't realize what was happening to you was abuse or inappropriate, even though he says MJ "forced" him to perform the sexual acts.

His case seems to involve elements that don't appear to be typical in any regard.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Frankly w.r is a danger to others if he thought for the last twenty years that what mj did to him wasnt abuse and suddenly now has only realised what it was. has he thought abuse is a normal thing. what sort of twilight zone has he been living in.sounds like someone who should be sectioned

his argument is the most laughable ever even by american judicial system standards.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I get your point, but is it typical in any shape, form or fashion to have been a apart of TWO intense sexual abuse allegation investigations, as a child AND as an adult, and then at 30, say you didn't realize what was happening to you was abuse or inappropriate, even though he says MJ "forced" him to perform the sexual acts.

His case seems to involve elements that don't appear to be typical in any regard.

Right, but his people want you to believe it is. It seems to be their calling card, they've said it about 4 times now and considering they've only spoken out about 7 or 8 times, they're really trying to hammer it home. I was worried they were going to try and present some form of evidence - letters MJ had written, notes, voicemails, etc, you know the typical things MJ did but he would try and twist them into having a sinister meaning. But it seems claiming he's behaving like a victim, Blanca Francia, the idea of him as a prior abuser and the fact that Wade is admittedly mentally unwell is what they're resting on entirely as their case.

I'm sure dating relatives of your abuser and inviting girlfriends over to your abuser's house will also be claimed to be "typical behavior."
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They know his argument is ridiculous and totally untypical so they have to keep saying it is typical inorder to try
and cover up the ridiculousness of it all
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He can say whatever he wants about Michael and hurt his reputation and his kids but Joe can't say anything that might hurt him? For once I am on Joe's side here.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They know his argument is ridiculous and totally untypical so they have to keep saying it is typical inorder to try and cover up the ridiculousness of it all

This is exactly what they are doing. Anyone who takes a critical look at Wade's claims realises how absurd they are. To believe Wade, you have to believe that:

1) Michael forced Wade to perform sexual acts for 7 years
2) Michael threatened Wade that they would both go to prison if this ever came out
3) Wade was part of two intense investigations into allegations of child sexual abuse against Michael, as a child and as an adult
4) Wade says he remembered everything Michael did to him
5) Despite all the above, Wade only realised last year, at the age of 29, that what Michael did to him was wrong or inappropriate in any way

This is bordering on the impossible. What could Michael possibly have done to him that only made him realise last year that it was abusive? Remember, he denied under oath that Michael ever touched him sexually, ever kissed him on the mouth, ever cuddled him or lay next to him in bed, etc. Yet the abuse he suffered was apparently bad enough to cause two mental breakdowns. It just doesn't make sense at all and Wade and his lawyer know it. That's why they're trying to prevent people from asking critical questions by proclaiming Wade's behaviour as "typical" for abuse victims. No one likes to be seen as blaming the victim.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Right, but his people want you to believe it is. It seems to be their calling card, they've said it about 4 times now and considering they've only spoken out about 7 or 8 times, they're really trying to hammer it home. I was worried they were going to try and present some form of evidence - letters MJ had written, notes, voicemails, etc, you know the typical things MJ did but he would try and twist them into having a sinister meaning. But it seems claiming he's behaving like a victim, Blanca Francia, the idea of him as a prior abuser and the fact that Wade is admittedly mentally unwell is what they're resting on entirely as their case.

I'm sure dating relatives of your abuser and inviting girlfriends over to your abuser's house will also be claimed to be "typical behavior."

It is all they have. I'm sure they're counting on the support of child abuse prevention organisations - which they will no doubt receive because these organisations always side with the "victims", no matter how weak their case is.

By the way, I don't want to come across as dismissive of child abuse allegations in general. These allegations always deserve serious consideration. As a victim of child abuse myself (physical, not sexual) I know these things do happen and I know how devastating it can be. However, I am also aware that people get falsely accused all the time and this experience can be equally devastating. My own brother-in-law did not have contact with his father for 20 years because his mother told authorities that he had sexually abused him as a baby. His parents were going through a divorce and his mother gained full custody of the children after her accusations. Later my BIL and his mother became estranged and he got in touch with his father again, heard his side of the story (he always denied the abuse) and decided to give him the benefit of the doubt. His grandmother told him on her deathbed that his mother admitted to her that the abuse allegations were just a strategy to get full custody of the children. This could happen to anyone. That's why we should always hear both sides of the story and carefully weigh the evidence (or lack thereof) before we condemn someone. In this case, the evidence is clearly on Michael's side.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Tmz said there was two more victims coming out, one famous and one not. I wonder if wade know this person.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^That'd be absolutely ridiculous and insulting if they dared to come out. Quite "convenient" they might do that when Michael can't defend himself anymore knowing Sneddon spent more than a decade and millions of dollars trying to find alleged victims unsuccessfully.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think the Estate will be quite busy the coming months:(
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Tmz said there was two more victims coming out, one famous and one not. I wonder if wade know this person.

There was another tabloid who claimed this when Wade's allegations first came out so TMZ may simply be copying them, doesn't mean it's true. IIRC, the other "victims" are waiting to see what happens to Wade's claim first. Guess that's very typical for abuse victims too.

This will only add fuel to the "where there's smoke, there's fire" cliche that some people still believe in. In that case, MJ must have a lot of babies roaming around considering all the Billie Jeans who sued him for paternity claims, lol.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Haven't we heard that story before? And they also said Wade had repressed memories
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Tmz said there was two more victims coming out, one famous and one not. I wonder if wade know this person.

TMZ hasn't said that, the Daily Star which is a trash tabloid worst than The Sun, claimed that.

Back in 1993 there were similar claims, the National Enquirer even ran a story about 6 children having told police they had been sexually abused by MJ. We can see how credible those stories were. And the National Enquirer is a much better tabloid than the Daily Star, believe me.

The only "famous" kids MJ knew - Corey Feldman, Macaulay, Aaron Carter, Emmanuel Lewis, Alfonso Ribiero, Brandon Adams, Gotham Chopra, Sean Lennon, Mark Ronson. None of them will claim to have been abused by MJ.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So wade cant hack joesph standing up for michael typical hypocrite aye

Even though i dont like what the jackson s have been doing of late but glad to see joesph finally standing up for michael
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

edited to add: Wade is not suing Joe. He's just saying "stop talking or I'll sue", he will probably never file a lawsuit.

But still it is a threat to shut joe up and they hope that it will but i can bet it wont
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

WADE ROBSON
Demands Joe Jackson
Shut His Trap ... OR ELSE



Wade Robson is going after another Jackson family member -- this time threatening legal action against Joe Jackson if he continues to spread vicious lies ... this according to legal docs.

Wade's lawyers fired off a cease and desist letter to Papa Jackson on May 25, accusing him of slander and warning JJ to stop dragging Wade's name through the mud.

The letter cites a video TMZ posted? ... in which Joe tells our photog Wade is being PAID to lie about the whole "Michael Jackson molested me" thing ... as part of some giant conspiracy.


Wade's lawyers unload on Joe for the accusation, writing, "Your statement is particularly reprehensible in light of the fact that [Wade] has only recently been able to come forward which is so typically characteristic and tragic for so many survivors of sexual abuse."

It continues, "Any trier of fact would conclude your statement was malicious, intended to further injure our client."

Then come the threats ... Wade's lawyers say they will not hesitate to "take any and all appropriate legal measures to vehemently protect the truth and commence legal action."

Translation -- giant lawsuit.

Source: TMZ

Haa Let's see them try to get money from a senile old man who is living on social security. If Wade could say anything he wants about Michael, who is not here, why can't Joe say someone paid Wade. Wade's attorney could say Michael is a "monster" and not get sued but Joe can't say Wade was paid. I see they want to have everything for themselves.

They seem really desperate for money now. Money from Michael's companies and now from Joe. Joe better start selling some more perfume.....

^^In that story about the public school, the abused guy unlike Wade knew he was abused all the time, but simply kept it quiet. He spoke out when he saw the school getting awards and also when he thought about his child. Wade however, claimed he remembered but did not understand it and he came forward partly due to his child too. I see also that the guy was angry at the school, and I believe Wade is angry at something too & wants to get back at the people involved. that is why I think he is angry about some disappointment. Something else I notice is that the guy from the school sees a lot of his problems as being connected to this early abuse, & I think Wade will claim that his problems related to his work and relationships are due to the abuse.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade is a cowardly punk. I believe he is on drugs. I hope Joe does NOT shut up. Man, I wish it was me, I would give that punk, Wade, a taste of his own medicine and DARE him to sue me. It's ironic that this coward can dish it out; but, HE can't stand the heat.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's always "typical" when u hire someone to say it is. And no doubt he will...oh wait he has already! Zzzzz
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't think it's "typical" from an abuse victim to try to convince others by going on and on about how "typical" he is. It's just a dead givaway that they got their story from books and not real life.
 
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