[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

WADE ROBSON
Demands Joe Jackson
Shut His Trap ... OR ELSE



Wade Robson is going after another Jackson family member -- this time threatening legal action against Joe Jackson if he continues to spread vicious lies ...

Doesn't he have enough lawsuits to deal with? He should just sue the whole world. He seems to need the money.

It's funny how he threatens to take action against "lies" being told about him, but doesn't realize the estate can turn around and do the same exact thing.

This is a joke.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

A big joke. And what a coward this attorney is. He goes after senile 82 year old Joe, but not Mesereau who has been all over the place calling Wade a liar. He knows Mesereau has the articulation and legal arsenal to fight back.

He's not helping his client, just making the absurdity of all of this more apparent. Wade can make heinous allegations against MJ, but can't be called a liar.

The lawyer is as nutty as he is.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Keep talking Joe. Say what the hell you want
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

A big joke. And what a coward this attorney is. He goes after senile 82 year old Joe, but not Mesereau who has been all over the place calling Wade a liar. He knows Mesereau has the articulation and legal arsenal to fight back.

He's not helping his client, just making the absurdity of all of this more apparent. Wade can make heinous allegations against MJ, but can't be called a liar.

The lawyer is as nutty as he is.

Mez said this attorney was an experienced and accomplished one but the more I hear from this lawyer the more amateurish he sounds to me with his pompous posturing.

(I realized Mez likes to talk up opposing lawyers, for example in a podcast I have heard he praised Zonen as one of the best prosecutors he has seen. Of course, that's also a way to say - even the best prosecutor could not win this case, because there was no case.)
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

A big joke. And what a coward this attorney is. He goes after senile 82 year old Joe, but not Mesereau who has been all over the place calling Wade a liar. He knows Mesereau has the articulation and legal arsenal to fight back.

He's not helping his client, just making the absurdity of all of this more apparent. Wade can make heinous allegations against MJ, but can't be called a liar.

The lawyer is as nutty as he is.


From what I have read T Mez has been very careful when choosing his words and so it makes it more difficult to take action against him. But Joe was blatant. When somebody is as specific as Joe was it's much easier to take action. If I were Joe I would take advice from a professional on what I should and shouldn't say.


It's good that Brenda is still sticking up for MJ and now JJ.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Joe can say what he likes he is picking on Joe because it is Joe.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Mez said this attorney was an experienced and accomplished one but the more I hear from this lawyer the more amateurish he sounds to me with his pompous posturing.

(I realized Mez likes to talk up opposing lawyers, for example in a podcast I have heard he praised Zonen as one of the best prosecutors he has seen. Of course, that's also a way to say - even the best prosecutor could not win this case, because there was no case.)

T-Mez doesn't like to publicly bad mouth anybody even if he doesn't agree with them, in my opinion. But I still think this whole thing is garbage.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

From what I have read T Mez has been very careful when choosing his words and so it makes it more difficult to take action against him. But Joe was blatant. When somebody is as specific as Joe was it's much easier to take action. If I were Joe I would take advice from a professional on what I should and shouldn't say.


It's good that Brenda is still sticking up for MJ and now JJ.

Wade can't prove the malice.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

They're accusing his son of molesting children. What do they expect him to say? Is he supposed to just accept it as the truth because "If you've researched child molestation, what Wade is doing is completely normal"? GTFOOH.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

WADE ROBSON
Demands Joe Jackson
Shut His Trap ... OR ELSE

Although I don't subcribe to any conspiracy theory, if I were Joe Jackson, I would tell Wade Robson to "GO AHEAD AND SUE ME!!!!"

I mean, out of everybody who has commented on his bogus claims, he goes after OLD Joe Jackson. Wade = Punk!

I would take that Cease And Desist Letter and write across it in red ink - "GO AHEAD AND SUE ME!!!!" I'd put the letter in a Federal Express Envelope for next day delivery. What!
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If I were Joe I would take advice from a professional on what I should and shouldn't say.
I think it might just be a tad late for joe to start doing that, lol. I tend to agree with gerryevans, wade's lawyer was just going after an easy target and trying to keep the story in the media. He's certainly not doing his client any favours, and long may that continue.

I think his son was used as cover for what really happened. theres a reason the estate made the comment they did
You're not usually so cryptic, what do you mean? If the estate has anything on wade re the cirque show they would have come out with it, what they waiting for, a court case? The gloves are off - mj's been called a pedophile and child molester on tv and his lawyer is telling anyone who will listen he's a monster. Mj's not here to defend himself, but he has put in place 2 execs to represent his legacy in death, so if they've got stuff on wade why would you think they are covering for him? If they do have something then they need to come out with it - you need to rebutt things immediately and control the narrative, that's pr 101. We can just forget the jackson family - they seem to have gone AWOL.

And If people think the media's not going to report this story, then they're going to be really disappointed, they'll be all over it once there are any developments. So far all that's out in the public arena is wade extolling the praises of mj for the past 20 yrs - that's the reason this story is not being covered in detail, not the media for once in their lives giving the benefit of the doubt to michael jackson.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Me cryptic! ;-) i ment inregards to that comment the estate made to tmz.how it seemed abit out there. like they were saying this is the reason for the claim (the whole one thing) i dont expect branca to dish the dirt in the media or leak anything. cases are won in the court room
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yeah i know, elusive? cryptic?! I guess i just strongly disagree, i am plenty sure branca leaks to the media to control a story or to shore up a position or point of view all the time and i think that's needed here. Unfortunately as we know, cases need to be won in the court of public opinion as well as the court room esp in a case which goes to the heart of someone's reputation and legacy. And in any event, wade's case if it ever gets to a courtroom is years away, too much damage can be done before then to remain silent and save it for a blistering tmez xexamination.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So, let me get this straight: he is free to say horrible things about a dead man , who's unable to defend himself? He's causing grief to this man's under aged kids and his elderly parents. he can go on national tv spewing hate, and he can sell stories to tmz - with NO proof whatsoever to back up his claims. YET this man's elderly father cannot defend his son? ->:angry:

On another note; isn't it rather interesting that out of the many people, who have spoken publically in MJ's defense on this matter, Wade and his lawyer ONLY targets the one, who has spoken publically about the AEG connection?
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ Mez too said it could have something to do with AEG, but I don't think they would dare going after him. LOL.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ Mez too said it could have something to do with AEG, but I don't think they would dare going after him. LOL.

true, but IMO Mez chose his words a bit more careful that Joe did, :lol:
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

i guess cause the story is quiet so theres no need for the estate to do anything. that will prob change come june though. at this point u might aswell let sleeping dogs lie. and imo ppl made their mind up about mj along time ago. i doubt wade will make much diff either way considering how daft his claims are.

Yeah i know, elusive? cryptic?! I guess i just strongly disagree, i am plenty sure branca leaks to the media to control a story or to shore up a position or point of view all the time and i think that's needed here. Unfortunately as we know, cases need to be won in the court of public opinion as well as the court room esp in a case which goes to the heart of someone's reputation and legacy. And in any event, wade's case if it ever gets to a courtroom is years away, too much damage can be done before then to remain silent and save it for a blistering tmez xexamination.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Are they for freaking real? To sue an 82 year old man for telling lies? What the f*ck are they saying about Michael then? When a Jackson family member finally says something setious to defend him and could be sued. They have no shame whatsoever! :ninja: :doh:
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't get yet why Wade decided to do such cowardly, vile action. Does he really think he has a big chance to win knowing the FBI and the Child Department Services didn't find NOTHING against Michael to prove he was p...?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What I do find very interesting and suspicious is how self-confident and self-sufficient WR is in making such allegations.
The thing is that he has to be fully aware of what he is doing, with all the consequences..., and that is the point of everything.
Nobody buys his stories about memories of the so.called sex. abuse ...that he hadnt known it was abuse untill 2012.
He has to know about other abusers, and those like Kapone, Francia, Bartucci, and all the ex-employees, every one of them lost every case they filed.

...so... I really wonder why he did it, and how it will end.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

On another note; isn't it rather interesting that out of the many people, who have spoken publically in MJ's defense on this matter, Wade and his lawyer ONLY targets the one, who has spoken publically about the AEG connection?

As far as I remember Joe did not mention AEG at all in that video and he just said Wade is getting paid to lie.

See this is nothing more than a ploy by Wade again get this in the media attention. A Cease and Desist letter is private among parties, unless either Wade or Joe is giving a copy to TMZ, they shouldn't have known about it.

Wade probably selected Joe as he's the father of MJ, not based on what he said, sent a cease and desist and gave a copy to TMZ so that it would again make the news.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade probably selected Joe as he's the father of MJ, not based on what he said, sent a cease and desist and gave a copy to TMZ so that it would again make the news.

True dat!

I mean, didn't Jermaine call Wade a liar a week or so back? I guess out of the 2, he felt Joe Jackson was the WEAKER link.

Aside from that, calling Jermaine out would only bring back the fact that Wade AND his mother helped Jermaine with his book. And who want's that little tidbit repeated. Joe Jackson is clearly the easier target.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

What a bunch of Bullcrap. Its embarrassing to sue an 80-something year old man to get back on the news... Smells desparete. This dude is outta his mind. But I always believe that ppl. Get whats coming to them...and he will get it 10 folds.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Also don't forget that TMez is a lawyer. You can't scare a lawyer with an empty legal threat.

edited to add: Wade is not suing Joe. He's just saying "stop talking or I'll sue", he will probably never file a lawsuit.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Joe is an easier target because the public doesn't like him anyway, and because the AEG conspiracy theories sound far-fetched to most people.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The TMZ and media well was running a little dry so someone decided to try grab some attention. Cease and desist letters are cheaper to come by than a coffee, copy paste a free template and off you go.

They don't require a judge, a lawyer - not even common sense. They are just the empty shell that tries to lend itself some credence, it's hot air. You and I can write one. People still think it bolsters their arsenal "just in case" they get the guts to actually sue. The more suits Robson files, the worse he'll look.

He just picked Joe Jackson for the little minds who think he'll look like a hero for 'not letting MJs father shut him up' and for no other reason. It's about the worst PR move out there - right after visiting cr*p talk shows. Maybe one day somebody throw an actual legal challenge into the ring - for harassment. All that will happen is people getting annoyed by someone's war of roses style publicity.

I'm sure a collective eye rolling jumped across the desks at the Estate and Mr. Mesereau's offices, who doesn't like low hanging fruit after a long weekend?
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

WADE ROBSON
Demands Joe Jackson
Shut His Trap ... OR ELSE



Wade Robson is going after another Jackson family member -- this time threatening legal action against Joe Jackson if he continues to spread vicious lies ... this according to legal docs.

Wade's lawyers fired off a cease and desist letter to Papa Jackson on May 25, accusing him of slander and warning JJ to stop dragging Wade's name through the mud.

The letter cites a video TMZ posted? ... in which Joe tells our photog Wade is being PAID to lie about the whole "Michael Jackson molested me" thing ... as part of some giant conspiracy.


Wade's lawyers unload on Joe for the accusation, writing, "Your statement is particularly reprehensible in light of the fact that [Wade] has only recently been able to come forward which is so typically characteristic and tragic for so many survivors of sexual abuse."

It continues, "Any trier of fact would conclude your statement was malicious, intended to further injure our client."

Then come the threats ... Wade's lawyers say they will not hesitate to "take any and all appropriate legal measures to vehemently protect the truth and commence legal action."

Translation -- giant lawsuit.

Source: TMZ



Omg this is a dead give away. The fact they have to come out and threaten with legal action against Joe is probably because its the TRUTH. They don't want him to speak the truth.. haha. The fact that Wade chose to move from LA is also suspious imo.. if he really had a case, and in his view would win or settle he would come back stronger than ever and "re-launch" his career. He would still have his pride and even gain some symphaty, but he chose to move becuase he's probably ashamed. Makes hella sense to me. Take the money move some place far away to raise your kids, becuase your career is dead anyways. I'm just thinking out loud and speculating.. anyways theese guys are desperate you can tell.
 
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Wade's lawyers unload on Joe for the accusation, writing, "Your statement is particularly reprehensible in light of the fact that [Wade] has only recently been able to come forward which is so typically characteristic and tragic for so many survivors of sexual abuse."

http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/28/wade-robson-joe-jackson-michael-jackson-molestation-cease-and-desist/

Wade's lawyer talks alot about wade being typical and characteristic of abuse victims and that's what they're relying on. By coincidence The mail had a very superficially similar story at the weekend about an abuse victim taking 30 years to come to tell of his experiences, and only getting the courage when he considered how he'd feel if his child was abused. It's interesting to read to see the differences to wade.

Music teacher baronet jailed after ten-year-old pupil he abused breaks 30-year silence

A titled music teacher has been jailed for sexually abusing a ten-year-old boy 30 years ago – after the former pupil broke a lifetime’s silence.

Sir Peter Newson-Smith was found guilty of two charges of indecent assault while head of music at a prestigious boarding school, Clayesmore Prep, in Dorset.

He received a five-and-a-half-year sentence after victim John Cartwright flew from his home in Australia to give evidence against him.

Caged: John Cartwright, left, former pupil of Peter Newson Smith, right, gave evidence of sexual abuse that saw the latter jailed for five-and-a-half years

A court heard how Newson-Smith, the 3rd Baronet of Totteridge, lured the ‘vulnerable and isolated’ pupil into a cupboard on ten separate occasions, before making him strip naked and molesting him.

Newson-Smith – who was described by his neighbours as a ‘pillar of the community’ – had also denied taking photos of the naked ten-year-old on a polaroid camera in 1981. The 66-year-old retired from the £7,500-a-term school in 2003 after 24 years.

Victim Mr Cartwright, now 40, chose to waive his anonymity to speak to The Mail on Sunday in the hope that other victims of abuse will come forward.

The property developer said: ‘I just feel relief now that he has been jailed. I still don’t know whether I have fully come to terms with what happened to me but at least, for the first time, I have justice.’

Mr Cartwright, who has a eight- year-old daughter, said he decided to make his complaint in 2010 after he ‘thought about how I would react if the same thing were to happen to her’.

‘I never told anyone because it is extremely humiliating and embarrassing. I felt ashamed. It took 30 years for me to be able to say it. It’s not something that’s easy to mention.

‘It always stopped me from trying to do really well at anything because after those experiences, I never wanted to stand out, and that takes a long time to overcome.

‘At the time, I didn’t understand what was happening to me. Even now, I haven’t told my wife everything. But, when I saw how many pastoral awards the school had won, it made me angry, so I emailed the headmaster and told him what I’d gone through.’

Mr Cartwright also revealed how testifying in court was ‘without question the scariest thing I’ve ever done’.

He added: ‘I don’t think there is anything more harrowing than having to stand up and talk openly about those kinds of experiences.’

Mr Cartwright’s sister Susan Callaway, 40, said: ‘I was also at that school and I understand how this could happen. You didn’t have anybody you could turn to. It is horrific.

‘He had his innocence taken away from him and that’s just not right.’

Sentencing Newson-Smith at Dorchester Crown Court, Judge Roger Jarvis said: ‘There is scarcely a greater breach of trust, when a young boy is entrusted to the care of a boarding school, and that very considerable trust is abused.’

As the guilty verdict was read out, Newson-Smith’s wife Mary-Ann, with whom he has four children, broke down in tears. ‘It can’t be true,’ she said. ‘What will I tell the children?’

Neighbours in Marnhull, Dorset, also expressed their shock. Margaret Bulford, 87, a family friend, said: ‘It is absolutely unbelievable. I’ve always known him as a good man and an upstanding member of our village. I would describe him as a good and quiet gentleman.’

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...sed-breaks-30-year-silence.html#ixzz2UbbZhJOJ

What's important is that this abuser was a guy in authority who didn't have a blemish on his character, clearly had no other accusations against him, and the sister says that there was no one to turn to, to believe their story. Wade had plenty to turn to - the da's office, the media, the general public - everyone was ready to believe him. Far from not wanting to mention it or think about it like this victim, wade's been doing nothing but being put in the position to talk about it, in court and elsewhere for the past 20 years. It was interesting to see how this victim felt angry at all the praise his school was getting and it made him resentful after his experiences - bit of a contrast to wade and all his mj tributes. Also, now the man felt his confidence was taken away and he became withdrawn - i imagine that's typical of abuse victims. Wade however during his period of 'abuse' was starting up a stellar career, financially supporting his family from the age of 10 and making waves in the competitive entertainment world at an amazingly young age.

This lawyer of wade's is going to have his work cut out if he thinks he can pass off wade's case as anything but typical.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade's lawyer talks alot about wade being typical and characteristic of abuse victims and that's what they're relying on. By coincidence The mail had a very superficially similar story at the weekend about an abuse victim taking 30 years to come to tell of his experiences, and only getting the courage when he considered how he'd feel if his child was abused. It's interesting to read to see the differences to wade.



What's important is that this abuser was a guy in authority who didn't have a blemish on his character, clearly had no other accusations against him, and the sister says that there was no one to turn to, to believe their story. Wade had plenty to turn to - the da's office, the media, the general public - everyone was ready to believe him. Far from not wanting to mention it or think about it like this victim, wade's been doing nothing but being put in the position to talk about it, in court and elsewhere for the past 20 years. It was interesting to see how this victim felt angry at all the praise his school was getting and it made him resentful after his experiences - bit of a contrast to wade and all his mj tributes. Also, now the man felt his confidence was taken away and he became withdrawn - i imagine that's typical of abuse victims. Wade however during his period of 'abuse' was starting up a stellar career, financially supporting his family from the age of 10 and making waves in the competitive entertainment world at an amazingly young age.

This lawyer of wade's is going to have his work cut out if he thinks he can pass off wade's case as anything but typical.

Not to mention how Wade defended Michael in two past cases where Michael was accused of this very same thing. I bet this other victim took the first chance he had to testify against his abuser. And he also obviously didn't go around for years and years praising his abuser to anyone who would listen. But Wade took the stand in a court of law and defended the man that he now accuses of abusing him. Not only that. But Wade did tributes to Michael after Michael died. I'm sorry. But I don't think that's normal behavior for a "victim". I hate how his lawyers are trying to keep the public and court from remembering all of that. And nobody would buy the excuse from a average adult court case witness that they didn't understand the questions they were asked if they talked as good as Wade talked on the stand. So yes. I would say that he understood everything perfectly. There is nothing that makes sense to me about what Wade is doing. Once again, he could be lying about everything and be making these excuses claiming he was "not understanding" this and "being in denial" about that to cover himself. I still can't believe that he's doing this.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade's lawyer talks alot about wade being typical and characteristic of abuse victims and that's what they're relying on. By coincidence The mail had a very superficially similar story at the weekend about an abuse victim taking 30 years to come to tell of his experiences, and only getting the courage when he considered how he'd feel if his child was abused. It's interesting to read to see the differences to wade.



What's important is that this abuser was a guy in authority who didn't have a blemish on his character, clearly had no other accusations against him, and the sister says that there was no one to turn to, to believe their story. Wade had plenty to turn to - the da's office, the media, the general public - everyone was ready to believe him. Far from not wanting to mention it or think about it like this victim, wade's been doing nothing but being put in the position to talk about it, in court and elsewhere for the past 20 years. It was interesting to see how this victim felt angry at all the praise his school was getting and it made him resentful after his experiences - bit of a contrast to wade and all his mj tributes. Also, now the man felt his confidence was taken away and he became withdrawn - i imagine that's typical of abuse victims. Wade however during his period of 'abuse' was starting up a stellar career, financially supporting his family from the age of 10 and making waves in the competitive entertainment world at an amazingly young age.

This lawyer of wade's is going to have his work cut out if he thinks he can pass off wade's case as anything but typical.

When it comes to this, ANY behaviour from (alleged) victims is "typical". Speaking about the abuse non-stop? Typical behaviour. Not saying a word about it for 30 years? Typical behaviour. Hating the abuser? Typical behaviour. Loving the abuser? Typical behaviour. Repressing the memories? Typical behaviour. Can't stop thinking about it? Typical behaviour. Becoming shy and withdrawn as a result of the abuse? Typical behaviour. Becoming extroverted and wanting to be the centre of attention as a result of the abuse? Typical behaviour. Feeling guilty about what happened? Typical behaviour. Feeling victimised because of what happened? Typical behaviour.

The point is, no matter what Wade says or does, it will be considered "typical" of abuse victims. John Cartwright's behaviour after the abuse is the opposite of Wade's in many ways yet they are both "typical". I said from the very beginning that this was something Wade would emphasise a lot because it's impossible to argue with.
 
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