[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[serendipity]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

But at least we know now that Wade dated two of Michael's nieces (Yashi was one of them as far as I heard).

So was it one big happy family? First Wade was molested by Michael and then, or during the abuse, he went out with his nieces? Is that what he claims?

yea that sounds like he was sooo traumatized lol

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I've read many comments about people who were sexually abused and all have said they DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE CONTACT WHATSOEVER with their abusers. Not only he remained in contact with Michael more than 20 years, he hung our or were friends with more members of The Jacksons, is he freaking kidding me!? :doh: He didn't show any sign of despising Michael at all making reference to the comments saying they hated their abusers. And for Latoya I prefer Tom Mesereau defending Michael!

 

[HIStory]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

A question to Ivy or anyone who is knowledgeable about legal issues. In the creditor's claim that was filed by WR we read the following:

"Creditor's Claim DE-172 for child sexual abuse as described in the unfiled Complaint for Childhood Sexual Abuse pursuant to Code Civ. Proc. ("CCP") 340.1 attached to the Creditor's Claim."

Does that mean that they haven't filed a document yet which would detail the alleged molestations?

When Wade was asked about what happened on Today's show he just repeated what the interviewer offered him to say without mentioning any detail. Some say that's because he can't talk about it because it's under seal, but is it? It seems that particular document is actually unfiled. Maybe they haven't quite worked out the "details" yet...

Noone knows the answer to this?

 

[AliCat]

A few years back, Macaulay Culkin had written a book and in this Interview, he mentions how he wished Michael Jackson had had nothing to do with the Arvizo's.

That’s easier said than done, given that it was less than a year ago that Culkin testified for the defense during the pop star’s molestation trial. “You know, I didn’t want to get involved with the whole thing,” he says. “It was a big, fat mess. I almost wanted to say to him, ‘You should have known better, just to even have those kind of people in your life.’ ” He thinks for a moment and continues. “I don’t know how it happened, but somehow I’ve become the resident Michael Jackson expert. We’re close, he’s a good friend of mine, we definitely have a connection that most people don’t have, but he’s a friend that I talk to once a year.” When they talk, Culkin always encourages Jackson to get back to music. “You know, call up the Roots, call up the Beastie Boys, call up Björk.” The last time they spoke was a few months after the trial: “He sounded better . . .” He trails off, distracted. “One of the things that I always thought is that I could have turned out that way. I’m a fairly sheltered person, but I could have just put up a fortress around myself, bought a big chunk of land somewhere, and said, ‘**** all y’all!’ But I made a decision when I was 14 that I was going to live life, where I think he made the opposite decision. It’s a cool little world that he has, but at the same time, it’s become a little more distant from reality.”
http://nymag.com/arts/books/reviews/16211/index1.html

At least Macaulay Culkin never, ever has come out and done something so awful as Wade Robson is doing. Macaulay Culkin is a class act compared to Wade Robson!

 

[Diplomate]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I wonder how the 2 Jacksons nieces are feeling today after what Toytoy said lol

 

[Paris78]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think she just meant she can't speak about what she knows.

At the end of the day this whole thing is just sad. Michael deserved so much more. I will not evaluate the few things she said and as I'm a fan over 20 years now it is sometimes just annoying that every little thing gets analyzed. Sometimes things are as simple as they appear. I just want to feel happy about the show in Vegas now and I'll go with Debbie's words " It will do nothing, nothing to tarnish Michael's extraordinary legacy." raying

 

[Aquarius]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

This is kind of off topic but is it acceptable for a man to date two woman that are cousins? In certain cultures is not allowed and in others is acceptable. Is just curiosity since I've never thought about it.

 

[gerryevans]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well, you're talking about a family where two brothers have children by the same woman. So, I'd say, anything is possible in Jackson culture.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Noone knows the answer to this?

Respect



"Creditor's Claim DE-172 for child sexual abuse as described in the unfiled Complaint for Childhood Sexual Abuse pursuant to Code Civ. Proc. ("CCP") 340.1 attached to the Creditor's Claim."


I could be wrong, but when I read that at the time, I thought that when you are sexually abused, there is a complaint form that you fill out and have it filed with the appropriate athorities. I thought that this was the form that they are referencing above. So they fill out the form, and since Michael is dead & Wade just learned he was molested, they attach it to the filing as an appropriate document. They could not file it before, because Wade did not understand yet.

 

[MJ*PP]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^that comment tops it.

 

[HIStory]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Respect



"Creditor's Claim DE-172 for child sexual abuse as described in the unfiled Complaint for Childhood Sexual Abuse pursuant to Code Civ. Proc. ("CCP") 340.1 attached to the Creditor's Claim."


I could be wrong, but when I read that at the time, I thought that when you are sexually abused, there is a complaint form that you fill out and have it filed with the appropriate athorities. I thought that this was the form that they are referencing above. So they fill out the form, and since Michael is dead & Wade just learned he was molested, they attach it to the filing as an appropriate document. They could not file it before, because Wade did not understand yet.

Thanks for answering. But Page 1 lists the documents which are filed together with the creditor's claim and the Complaint for Childhood Sexual Abuse document is not among them.

 

[PaceMioDolceCuore]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Seen some coverage on Las Vegas and "One" - glowing reviews, thrilled fans etc.

Don't think this clown affects anything in that regard. I'll venture a guess and say especially families are happy to find family friendly shows on the strip. Michael makes people happy. And it will stay that will, always.

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Thanks for answering. But Page 1 lists the documents which are filed together with the creditor's claim and the Complaint for Childhood Sexual Abuse document is not among them.

Yes but it is still a document of a complaint and they use the word "attached to the Creditor's Claim" so it is that document that is unfiled. I think it is something like that form you fill out when you have domestic violence. You call the police and go to court and the document is filed. Maybe we should ask a police officer about that "complaint document."

 

[etoile 37]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Joke/sarcasm

 

[8701girl]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Seen some coverage on Las Vegas and "One" - glowing reviews, thrilled fans etc.

Don't think this clown affects anything in that regard. I'll venture a guess and say especially families are happy to find family friendly shows on the strip. Michael makes people happy. And it will stay that will, always.

Yes there still will be people going to the shows no doubt bout that

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm glad that bloodsucker isn't getting away with it nor affecting The Immortal and The One shows. I can't wait and see how the judge dismisses that idiotic lawsuit on June 6.

 

[MysticalChicken]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Here's CJ Baxter's radio interview from earlier today regarding WR's body language:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/a-plac...et-language-of-wade-robson-craig-james-baxter

it's almost two and a half hours long though so probably listen when you've got plenty of free time
also there are some audio problems at the beginning of the interview but it gets better about... ten minutes in

(and yes i know there was another body-language expert radio interview posted a few pages back but this is a different one)

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

With all due respect we dont need a body language "expert" to tell us hes a lieing toad. the facts speak well enough

 

[qbee]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Body language, shmoddy language. While It may give some a sense of satisfaction, and is somewhat entertaining, None of that means diddly squat and cannot be used a a defense anyway. I think these people are exploiting the situation for their 15 min. Do we really need that to tell us he is lying. I think the facts we already know have show that he is. That is what will be used against him, not someone stating he blinked his eyes wrong in an interview

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think some of you underestimate how desperate people can be. Whatever Wade's motivations are for doing this, he clearly has an agenda of some kind. Don't forget, the entertainment industry is rife with beggars and hangers on. People who attatch themselves to a celebrity, leech off them for money, power, fame and opportunity. Wade has made a living off Michael his whole life doing just this.

I don't really agree with this, and i'm not sure it does mj's case any favours. Mj certainly got wade's career started in the usa, put him in his videos and signed him to his record label and opened doors for him. But after that, wade's career was all his own and based on his own talents. Mj put latoya in his videos but that didn't result in a fabulous career, did it? and wade's singing career on mj's record label didn't go anywhere. Wade was teaching adults in dance classes as a young teen, got the director of britney's gig at 16, had his own mtv show - all down to his own talent and drive, not mj. Britney for eg was recommened wade by a dancer she knew, not mj. To say how dependent wade was on mj for his stellar career in the 90s and 00s is an argument that sneddon tried to use in the 05 trial by trying to make out that wade was solely in mj's debt for everything he achieved and so would lie to protect him.

It's interesting that when wade's career was at it's peak, that he voluntarily came out and defended mj in 05 at a time when mj was regarded as a social pariah in the entertainment biz, for no money or favour. When his career is on the slide, he comes out with the allegations looking for a payday. Common sense should dictate which time he is telling the truth.

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I agree. Personally, I put the blame on Johnny Cochran also. I think he scared Michael into thinking that he couldn't win the case against the Chandlers.

He would be doing what any good lawyer would do in telling mj the risks. Tmez did the same with mj in 05 and told mj there were risks once you go into court as you are dependent on the opinion of 12 jury members. In 93, there would be even more risk as it was a civil trial with less protection than in a criminal trial for the defendant. I can imagine mj wd be looking for guarantees and esp in a he said, he said case no good lawyer can do that in all honesty.

Yeah everything was a complete mess and unjustice at that time. Michael's lawyers Bert Fields and Anthony Pellicano wanted the criminal investigation and its criminal trial to proceed before the civil trial. So that Michael could clear his name in the criminal court and to plead his right to the 5th amendment: the refusal to testify.

Yes, but you could argue that fields did mj a massive misservice by claiming that the criminal trial could be delayed by up to 7yrs to allow criminal charges to be brought. This would have pushed the civil trial into the next century. It was that realisation i think that helped feldman persuade the judge go for a quick civil trial. It was a big mistake by fields i think.

 

[Moonwalker.Fan]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sorry, BUT I havent seen the interview, I simply can not..., did he really say that?

Can somebody make the transcription of this interview? I am not able to see or hear WR...

 

[MJ*PP]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

its finally not bothering me anymore. However, it still disgusts me if i see interviews or whatever where he speaks, and when you think of the things he said during '05 trial. I wonder if he thinks people forgot what he said, and that its not going to be brought up :lol:

 

[bobmoo79]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sorry, BUT I havent seen the interview, I simply can not..., did he really say that?

Can somebody make the transcription of this interview? I am not able to see or hear WR...

It's a joke, Wade didn't really say that....

 

[shelly_webster]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It could explain a few things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xGcGsx3psZI

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^Funny Moonwalker thinking that translation on the video was real. I hope you are not offended Moonwalker but you really cracked me up.

 

[MJJ Fan4321]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Hi, I have one last thing to say (and I am not looking for any sympathy here at all just want to give my point of view) As I mentioned I was a victim of molestation as a child, not to the the same degree Wade Robson is alleging. But he is now a married man who according to La Toyla had relationships with 2 of the Jackson relatives (nieces I assume). He seems to have an active lets say relation life with no problems. I on the other hand would shudder from a very young age when a man tried to hug me. My dad did once and was angry at me because I cowered and did not want to be touched (he did not molest me) I have always had a problem with human touch and hugging people, especially women (for an odd reason because my abuser was a man) it repulses me, I think its the sexual connotations it makes me feel. I have no interest in a sexual relationship, the thought of sex it not a priority for me.

I have always cowered from human touch from a young age (unknown to myself at that age that I had been molested). If I have to hug someone, a friend a feel there is a sexual content (which is crazy I know!)

These are my experiences and they don't seem to correspond in the least with Wade Robson.

Lastly, I would like to say that this is a very supportive community and I am happy that people are voicing their opinions on Robson, however I also feel (and I think someone else has already said this) we don't need to discuss this and bring any further attention to these false allegations. I believe it should be ignored and all will be forgotten.

This is just my opinion and I understand if people disagree.

 

[shelly_webster]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Does anyone know if WR is really working for Britney like he claimed on his twitter?

 

[qbee]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I would like to say that this is a very supportive community and I am happy that people are voicing their opinions on Robson, however I also feel (and I think someone else has already said this) we don't need to discuss this and bring any further attention to these false allegations. I believe it should be ignored and all will be forgotten.

This is just my opinion and I understand if people disagree.

I tend to agree - I feel Now that the initial shock and frenzy has died down, I don't see anyone really flaunting this info around the internet for the general public. To them last weeks news is old news and soon forgotten anyway. Plus this is a hidden forum for our members only so it is not out on the internet or in the search engines bringing in lurkers. I'm not concerned about Wade supporters so much as I am of this being a main topic of discussion, continuously carried on in the media or the general population. For the most part any major network show that carried the story did not support or believe Wades story anyway. IMO No matter what Wade is not going to fare well in all this and Michael's Legacy will remain solvent, intact and on Top no matter what is thrown at it. I don't think anything can harm it or stop it now. He is too well loved in this world. The media is not an indicator, nor do they represent the general population or the world's feelings when it comes to Michael Jackson. The rest can go suck an egg. .. 2 Bad 2 BAd .. The People of the world don't want that crap when it comes to Michael Jackson, they want MJ Immortal and MJ ONE and more MJ music .. they love him, they want to celebrate him

 

[Petrarose]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

MJJ Fan4321 I know you said you don't need sympathy, but how about getting some help with the touching issue. Touching & hugs have many psychological, nurturing, & socio-emotional aspects that you are missing. I don't work with abuse, but I work with my clients to help them accept & give hugs/touches because it is recognized that these are very important. There are some people who cannot give or accept hugs/touches and they are not abused. Anyway I am sure others have told you this before so good luck to you.