[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[Kingofpop4ever3000]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think that Wade is counting on the judge already believing that Michael was guilty. And I think that judges made personally motivated decisions in Michael's court cases while Michael was still alive. I believe the 1993 case and the 2003 case were great examples of that. Judge Pastor was the only judge who displayed a good amount of sense, in my opinion. But I still have a very negative opinion of judges when it comes to Michael. I will take back my opinion if the judge or judges in Wade's cases throw them out. But I will believe it when I see it. I think that Wade is taking advantage of the overall public perception that Michael was guilty. All he has to do is claim to have been abused and talk trash along with McManus and Francia for added shock value to the judge and a possible jury to get them upset and that's it. And he could be lying about everything and still get away with it. This is ridiculous and disgusting.

 

[Vici]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

JOE JACKSON
Wade Robson's Getting
PAID TO LIE



Wade Robson is getting paid big money to destroy Michael Jackson's reputation with child abuse allegations ... so says MJ's dad Joe Jackson.

Joe was at the airport in L.A. Wednesday when we asked about Wade's claims against the MJ estate -- that the singer sexually abused him as a child for years -- but Joe doesn't buy Wade's story for a second ... and he's not placing the blame entirely on Wade's shoulders either.

Joe's got his own conspiracy theory about who's REALLY behind Wade's allegations ... and whoever it is has a massive wallet.
See also




http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/23/joe-j...abuse/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook


Summary for you who dont wanna click on the link: This is what Joe says.

"Michael was so generous to him at first but he is lying on Michael, and he is not the only one behind this, somebody is paying him to do this..."

When the pap asks Joe if its AEG paying Joe replies "Somebody is doing it... Wade is lying because they paid him to lie".

 

[Pimboli]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade Robson is getting paid big money to destroy Michael Jackson's reputation with child abuse allegations ... so says MJ's dad Joe Jackson

that's kind of an ironic thing to say, when you think about the lengths the family are going to to do just the same.....

 

[Bubs]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

that's kind of an ironic thing to say, when you think about the lengths the family are going to to do just the same.....

I agree. The man in the mirror is so hard to see in Jackson's household.

 

[HIStory]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

that's kind of an ironic thing to say, when you think about the lengths the family are going to to do just the same.....

I have as much disrespect for the family as anyone for leeching off Michael and many other things, but nothing that the family has ever done (except for LaToya and less directly, Rebbie) compares to what Wade Robson is doing! Nothing! I don't think they should be mentioned in the same breath as Wade in this respect.

 

[bouee]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

DS is an iteresting choice by Prince. His dad's own words about how "DS" tried and tried, but couldn't find anything. Espacially when DS was written 10 years before Michael's aquittal.

 

[bobmoo79]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Whatever you think of Joe Jackson, he might just be onto something.
I hate conspiracy theories, but as a Michael Jackson fan I have to consider only two options:


Either


(a) Wade was lying all these years and Michael Jackson did abuse him.


OR


(b) MJ didn't abuse him and he's lying now.






The first option is the worst possible situation and we must all hope that isn't true.


That leaves only the second option as viable. But WHY would Wade suddenly choose to attack MJ's memory and legacy with disgusting allegations that he knows are false. He seemed to be great friends with MJ for so many years and went to great lengths to defend him time and again. Why do so much damage now? The only thing that makes sense is that he is being paid to lie. The timing certainly works in AEGs favour. As a person who is very loyal to his friends I still find it very hard that somebody would do what Wade is doing for money, so it must be a HUGE amount to convince him to do this. As I said before, the only other alternative scenario in my mind is option (a) above and I really don't want that to be the case.

 

[HIStory]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Whatever you think of Joe Jackson, he might just be onto something.
I hate conspiracy theories, but as a Michael Jackson fan I have to consider only two options:


Either


(a) Wade was lying all these years and Michael Jackson did abuse him.


OR


(b) MJ didn't abuse him and he's lying now.






The first option is the worst possible situation and we must all hope that isn't true.


That leaves only the second option as viable. But WHY would Wade suddenly choose to attack MJ's memory and legacy with disgusting allegations that he knows are false. He seemed to be great friends with MJ for so many years and went to great lengths to defend him time and again. Why do so much damage now? The only thing that makes sense is that he is being paid to lie. The timing certainly works in AEGs favour. As a person who is very loyal to his friends I still find it very hard that somebody would do what Wade is doing for money, so it must be a HUGE amount to convince him to do this. As I said before, the only other alternative scenario in my mind is option (a) above and I really don't want that to be the case.

I have studied all the allegations against Michael in-depth and based on that (and NOT on gut feelings!) I'm convinced he did not molest Jordan Chandler, Jason Francia or Gavin Arvizo. And if he didn't molest them then why should we believe Wade that he molested him? Michael was simply not a child molester.

And I don't think your option b) is the only other option. Wade is not you, so what you would be or would not be able to your friends is not really relevant in what Wade is able to do. I'm amazed all the time at how low people are willing to steep in betraying each other. I myself would never do that and can't get my head around the fact how someone else can, but it does happen ALL THE TIME. I'm not excluding the AEG option, but people are perfectly capable of doing such things on their own. Be the motivation money, revenge (for not getting the Cirque show, for example), both or something else.

Wade filed a creditor's claim and a civil lawsuit - both are about money, so noone can say it's not about money, regardless of whether AEG is behind him or not. Even if not, he DOES want money! So it IS about money! And people do all kinds of ugly things for money. They even murder for money, so money is enough of a motivation to try to pull something like this.

 

[bobmoo79]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Fair enough.
Whatever Wade's motivation for filing the creditors claim, I still think there are only two options as I mentioned.
If we consider option (b) is the truth (and I think we all agree about that) then whether Wade is acting alone or if he is being paid by AEG, it doesn't really matter because money is at the centre of the allegation. Greed is the key, and I think there are many people in the media who can see that because the allegations are not getting the massive exposure that I had expected.

 

[HIStory]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

DS is an iteresting choice by Prince. His dad's own words about how "DS" tried and tried, but couldn't find anything. Espacially when DS was written 10 years before Michael's aquittal.

"Money" is even more appropriate here.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If Wade was being paid by anyone the first thing he would have done is kept his mouth shut. Because him opening his mouth is what caused people to side eye him. And second if he and the people who paid him agreed he should speak I would think he would have a better story then the one he is using

 

[soulmum]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If all Wade wanted was for 'his truth' to be heard he would never have filed an action against the estate. He should have gone directly to the police and made a complaint to them and then gone on to various media channels to tell his story. The very fact that he filed a creditors claim first spoke volumes.

 

[bobmoo79]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Agreed.

I really need to get 'D.S' and'Money' on my phone so I can listen to it

*opens music app to search for the songs....*

 

[LindavG]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If Wade was being paid by anyone the first thing he would have done is kept his mouth shut. Because him opening his mouth is what caused people to side eye him. And second if he and the people who paid him agreed he should speak I would think he would have a better story then the one he is using

Exactly. It's not too hard for me to imagine Wade is acting alone at this point. I'm sure he's getting paid handsomely to do these interviews. How much did Blanca Francia get for talking to the tabloids, wasn't it tens of thousands of dollars? And she was just a maid. So even if the case gets thrown out, Wade can still make quite a bit of money off of his allegations. He'll need that money after not getting the jobs (e.g. Cirque du Soleil) he was counting on. He's probably rationalising it in his head by telling himself that Michael did abuse him because he tickled him or something (cf. Jason Francia) and he's just exaggerating it a little bit. Besides, Michael is dead anyway and the Estate is far more impersonal to him. Had Michael been alive, none of this would have happened.

 

[la_cienega]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

A PR tour encourages the estate to want to settle... at least that's what Wade obviously believes.

People will lie over $20, so why wouldn't they lie over millions and millions?

Re: the statute of limitations, I was reading a case file about abuse victims seeking money years and years after the abuse and they actually have an easier time with "repressed memory" theory, because if Wade is saying he knew about it all along it means he had enough sense to understand it was abusive much earlier and knew it was wrong in enough time to have filed at some earlier point. He can claim he's only just suffered an "injury" from it, but in his own words he's always known about it which means he's got a hard time justifying why he filed it so late. And this is for victims who haven't experienced what Wade has - which is people insisting to him that it's been abusive for decades and testifying in two court cases about it.

 

[HIStory]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ Or he may rationalise this by telling himself that since MJ is dead he's not doing great harm to him. Of course, that would be a BS rationalisation if he thinks that way, because a dead man only has his legacy and reputation and he's attacking just that. Plus it causes big emotional distress to all the people who love Michael, including his children. But something tells me he would not do this if MJ was alive.

But maybe he doesn't need to rationalise it for himself at all - maybe he's just that unscrupulous plain and simple.

 

[Diplomate]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Poor poor Wade, nobody believes him and he will not work again in the showbizz world, and now he gonna need to find a real job to pay his bills, so sad for him!

lol the guy was pathetic but to see him like a shit now, make me laugh!

The Estate of the King rocks!:big_boss:

 

[la_cienega]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ Or he may rationalise this by telling himself that since MJ is dead he's not doing great harm to him. Of course, that would be a BS rationalisation if he thinks that way, because a dead man only has his legacy and reputation and he's attacking just that. Plus it causes big emotional distress to all the people who love Michael, including his children. But something tells me he would not do this if MJ was alive.

But maybe he doesn't need to rationalise it for himself at all - maybe he's just that unscrupulous plain and simple.

He's admitted he's mentally unstable and I think it's obvious he is. There's something very wrong with him and (like many of the people around MJ) he's decided to use MJ as his excuse for whatever it is.

 

[terrell]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ Or he may rationalise this by telling himself that since MJ is dead he's not doing great harm to him. Of course, that would be a BS rationalisation if he thinks that way, because a dead man only has his legacy and reputation and he's attacking just that. Plus it causes big emotional distress to all the people who love Michael, including his children. But something tells me he would not do this if MJ was alive.

But maybe he doesn't need to rationalise it for himself at all - maybe he's just that unscrupulous plain and simple.

And I believe that is why Wade did this as the first sentence in your comment said.

 

[terrell]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

JOE JACKSON
Wade Robson's Getting
PAID TO LIE



Wade Robson is getting paid big money to destroy Michael Jackson's reputation with child abuse allegations ... so says MJ's dad Joe Jackson.

Joe was at the airport in L.A. Wednesday when we asked about Wade's claims against the MJ estate -- that the singer sexually abused him as a child for years -- but Joe doesn't buy Wade's story for a second ... and he's not placing the blame entirely on Wade's shoulders either.

Joe's got his own conspiracy theory about who's REALLY behind Wade's allegations ... and whoever it is has a massive wallet.
See also




http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/23/joe-j...abuse/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook


Summary for you who dont wanna click on the link: This is what Joe says.

"Michael was so generous to him at first but he is lying on Michael, and he is not the only one behind this, somebody is paying him to do this..."

When the pap asks Joe if its AEG paying Joe replies "Somebody is doing it... Wade is lying because they paid him to lie".

I wont be surprise. They way Wade defended MJ over the years in all his many ages from a kid, to a teenager, in his twenties and even at 30 and now this, SOMETHING cause Wade to want to lie.

 

[terrell]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I have as much disrespect for the family as anyone for leeching off Michael and many other things, but nothing that the family has ever done (except for LaToya and less directly, Rebbie) compares to what Wade Robson is doing! Nothing! I don't think they should be mentioned in the same breath as Wade in this respect.

I agree. ALL families have drama and I do not make GODS out of the Jacksons to be perfect; however, to be accusing someone of a crime like Wade is terrible and imply Joe is just as bad as Wade is a disservice to say. And sorry, UNLESS I hear Rebbie say something against MJ, I will not bash her. Stacy can say anything and say a "family" member said this or that when in reality NO ONE told him nothing.? People lie on people.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

To me its not logical to say someones paying him to do this. if he was being paid big money he wouldnt be filing claims and lawsuits as he wouldnt need any money. hed be going to the police and t.v like others said to make it look as credible as poss. which is what the ppl who are paying him would want.

imo its all his own doing and yes he propably rationalises by thinking mj cant be hurt hes not aware of whats happ.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Rebbie said in 05 that stacy spoke for her. the fact they work together and are friends after the disgusting things he says sums it up imo

 

[claudiadoina]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^. But something tells me he would not do this if MJ was alive.

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I kinda believe the same ..could be ..but we will never know

 

[Bonnie Blue]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I have as much disrespect for the family as anyone for leeching off Michael and many other things, but nothing that the family has ever done (except for LaToya and less directly, Rebbie) compares to what Wade Robson is doing! Nothing! I don't think they should be mentioned in the same breath as Wade in this respect.

Totally agree.

 

[Courtney]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ Or he may rationalise this by telling himself that since MJ is dead he's not doing great harm to him. Of course, that would be a BS rationalisation if he thinks that way, because a dead man only has his legacy and reputation and he's attacking just that.

That's what I've been thinking. He thinks, "Oh I'm not really hurting him. He's dead, he won't know." That kind of thing. (Though, it is my belief that Michael is seeing all of this.)

But even if he thinks he's only attacking his legacy and not the man himself, he's wrong. He's not thinking about the other people he's hurting like...Michael's three young children who lost their only parent at a young age. Not only that, but he was still a human being who deserves to be respected in death.

There's no way he can rationalize this to make it ok. What he is doing will never be "ok." Hope he realizes that.

 

[Pimboli]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I have as much disrespect for the family as anyone for leeching off Michael and many other things, but nothing that the family has ever done (except for LaToya and less directly, Rebbie) compares to what Wade Robson is doing! Nothing! I don't think they should be mentioned in the same breath as Wade in this respect.

im not sure i understand...? The Jacksons are currently in court busy throwing MJ under the bus, not caring one bit about his legacy (or so it seems) - all for the love of $$. With that in mind, how is it not a tad ironic that a Jackson family member says that wade's claims are destroying his legacy? No, the murder of Mj's legacy currently going on in court is not the same as child molesation claims, no we can agree on that one. And yes child molestation IS mj's achille's heel.

 

[HIStory]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

im not sure i understand...? The Jacksons are currently in court busy throwing MJ under the bus, not caring one bit about his legacy (or so it seems) - all for the love of $$. With that in mind, how is it not a tad ironic that a Jackson family member says that wade's claims are destroying his legacy? No, the murder of Mj's legacy currently going on in court is not the same as child molesation claims, no we can agree on that one. And yes child molestation IS mj's achille's heel.

I think the family sued AEG out of greed in the first place but talking about Michael's drug problems (whether real or supposed) at a trial is not destroying his legacy. Child abuse allegations however do have the potential to destroy his legacy.

 

[Moonwalker.Fan]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If Wade was being paid by anyone the first thing he would have done is kept his mouth shut. Because him opening his mouth is what caused people to side eye him. And second if he and the people who paid him agreed he should speak I would think he would have a better story then the one he is using

Not really, because he could have been paid for filing the claims..., on the contrary, I do believe now that he is not alone in these claims, simply it doesnt fit into all the circumstances known for at least 1 decade!

Je can have any story about the sex.abuse, especially if he used directly words describing MJ as - pedophile, child abuser, and sexual acts - this is completely orchestrated by/from the man /or the unknown group/ who in contradictions with his previous defending claims.

One can not change substantially/significantly the whole story about the previous accusations when his was attacked by prosecution with the very personal, and intimate questions... and when he was denying any wrongdoing.

This is simply an orchestrated allegation.

BTW have you checked the date June 6 and June 13, 2013?

BUT:

Monday, 06 June 2005

Jurors in the Michael Jackson child molestation trial completed their first full day of deliberations Monday without reaching a verdict. The eight women and four men have spent some eight hours weighing up the evidence.

Monday, 13 June 2005

MICHAEL JACKSON HAS BEEN ACQUITTED.

 

[HIStory]

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

A question to Ivy or anyone who is knowledgeable about legal issues. In the creditor's claim that was filed by WR we read the following:

"Creditor's Claim DE-172 for child sexual abuse as described in the unfiled Complaint for Childhood Sexual Abuse pursuant to Code Civ. Proc. ("CCP") 340.1 attached to the Creditor's Claim."

Does that mean that they haven't filed a document yet which would detail the alleged molestations?

When Wade was asked about what happened on Today's show he just repeated what the interviewer offered him to say without mentioning any detail. Some say that's because he can't talk about it because it's under seal, but is it? It seems that particular document is actually unfiled. Maybe they haven't quite worked out the "details" yet...