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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I hope this makes sense when I say this and I hope I don't offend anyone. I don't like people thinking Michael was this big drug addict. I don't feel he was. But I would rather people think he might have drug issues than being a child molester. This guy is using the one thing that can hurt Michael the most. I just hope that common sense and people using the facts will make them see what this is really about. I don't want him to get away hurting Michael this way or his kids who are here to see this.
 
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It may be quite now...But, I think after the hearings soon after there will be some kind of leak? U know the details of Wades B.S claims against MJ. I would be surprise if we don't, since we got those other leaks about the 93 and 03 allegations in detail. SMH
 
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I think some of you underestimate how desperate people can be. Whatever Wade's motivations are for doing this, he clearly has an agenda of some kind. Don't forget, the entertainment industry is rife with beggars and hangers on. People who attatch themselves to a celebrity, leech off them for money, power, fame and opportunity. Wade has made a living off Michael his whole life doing just this. Unfortunately, Michael allowed A LOT of these kind of people into his life. These people were never really friends, but just out for what they could get by association (Uri Gellar, Rabbi Schmuley, Mark Lester, the Arvizos, the Chandlers).

The entertainment industry is also a cut-throat business. If he isn't getting work anymore and he is accustomed to a certain lifestyle he could very well have some kind of misguided sense of entitlement. We're talking about a man who, as a child, never wanted for anything. Michael's generosity to the Robsons has been well documented. Unfortunately, Michael only ever saw the good in children, but the reality is, Wade Robson as a ten year old kid was probably a spoilt brat. Spoilt brats generally don't turn into nice, well-rounded adults.

Just my two cents.

I would also like to add that I don't believe these will be the last allegations. I'm not trying to scare-monger here, but Wade has opened the door for more people to come forward for an easy payday. Unfortunately again, Michael opened the gates to Neverland to many, many children over the years. If his motivation for doing this was a perverted one, then he would've had the opportunity to molest hundeds of children over the years. Paedophiles aren't that selective in choosing a victim and if they see an opportunity to abuse, chances are they will strike while the iron is hot. Out of the hundreds, perhaps thousands of children who visited Neverland in Michael's lifetime, only three people have claimed they were abused and two out of the three alleged victims decided to file civil charges with a lawyer instead of contacting the police.

There will be more, I'm sure of it. But people believe what they want to believe and I'm past caring what others think. I truly believe Michael was a good-natured man with a kind heart. We heard audio footage of him drugged up to the eyeballs six weeks before he died incoherently mumbling about opening a childrens hospital with the proceeds from the London shows. When someone is that high on medication their inhibitions and pretences are significantly lowered and yet even in that groggy state of drowsiness, Michael was STILL concerned with the wellfare of children. That, to me, is proof that his love for children was a pure one.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Also, one of my favourite things to say to the people who think MJ is a paedophile is this...

For one second, just forget the allegations, the settlements, the trial...

Imagine for one second that Michael is innocent. Infact, forget about Michael Jackson altogether.

Imagine you have a man who is a multi-millionaire, maybe even billionaire. When this man was growing up he was painstakingly shy, socially inept from an adolscent, felt alienated from his peer group and generally only ever felt comfortable in the company of children. He loves to be around them and spend time with them. This is well documented from an early age and people often refer to him as a "manchild."

As it's the only time he ever truly feels himself, he likes to maximise the time he spends with children. Trouble is, children grow up and as they do, they start to lose the very thing that made this man connect to them in the first place. The children and their families who have become accustomed to the many perks of being friends with a multi-millionare are perhaps no longer as big a part of this mans life as they once were. Many families come and go in and out of this mans life and are grateful for his kindness and generosity. There are some however, who feel entitled to more and as this man starts to become an increasingly distant figure in their life, they feel baffled, then frustrated and eventually disgruntled at this turn of events. Taking all of that into account, is it really that difficult to see why a select few of the many families this man has opened his home to decide to turn on him? In their eyes, he promised them the world and now he's abandoned them, he's gone and so is the money, the celebrity, the lifestyle, the free ride.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

MattyJam said:
I think some of you underestimate how desperate people can be. Whatever Wade's motivations are for doing this, he clearly has an agenda of some kind.
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I agree. Just because it's completely illogical, doesn't mean someone won't do it. I understand the fears and suspicions that there must be something more to it, but that's because most of us deal with basically normal people day to day who would be either too afraid or too ethical to try to pull off an outrageous scheme. But fear, anger, resentment, and greed are powerful motivations that interfere with a person's morality and ability to reason.

The entertainment industry is also a cut-throat business. If he isn't getting work anymore and he is accustomed to a certain lifestyle he could very well have some kind of misguided sense of entitlement. *
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When this issue first began, I had no idea what was going on with Wade. Was he delusional? Did his therapist put ideas in his head? Was he on drugs or in debt? However, when I watched the Matt Lauer interview, I saw a man who was cool, detached, and bloodless and very careful not to give any details that could later trip him up. My impression was that he knows exactly what he's doing, and what he's relating is very far from the truth. That led me to wonder what could lead to such calculation. With all the stories of troubles in his professional life, could he have developed a titanic sense of resentment against the estate that dropped him from Cirque (for whatever reason) and did not help him in his hour of need? Could he see the estate closing in on a billion dollars in worth and think, "This thing would never be worth a billion dollars if not for MY testimony"?

I would also like to add that I don't believe these will be the last allegations. I'm not trying to scare-monger here, but Wade has opened the door for more people to come forward for an easy payday.*
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It depends what happens with Wade's allegations. If he's laughed out of court, it will put a damper on further claims. If he's exposed as a fraud, it will just about kill the whole thing. But if anyone wavers and gives him a settlement, or the court actually finds grounds to award him money, that will be throwing fuel on the fire.
 
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We can "thank" this shit to Johnny Cochran, he was the one who wanted to settle the case in 1993. The Francias, The Arvizos and Robson wouldn't had dared to sue Michael if the settlement hadn't existed. I'm hoping The Estate don't commit that mistake again, we know Michael wanted to fight the first time but I think he didn't state his decition strong enough bacause it's undeniable it opened the door to occur more crap.
 
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bluetopez said:
It may be quite now...But, I think after the hearings soon after there will be some kind of leak? U know the details of Wades B.S claims against MJ. I would be surprise if we don't, since we got those other leaks about the 93 and 03 allegations in detail. SMH
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I agree. When those hearings start, this is going to be all over the place. And personally, I am not looking forward to it.
 
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Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
We can "thank" this shit to Johnny Cochran, he was the one who wanted to settle the case in 1993. The Francias, The Arvizos and Robson wouldn't had dared to sue Michael if the settlement hadn't existed. I'm hoping The Estate don't commit that mistake again, we know Michael wanted to fight the first time but I think he didn't state his decition strong enough bacause it's undeniable it opened the door to occur more crap.
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I agree. Personally, I put the blame on Johnny Cochran also. I think he scared Michael into thinking that he couldn't win the case against the Chandlers. And what was the judge thinking by allowing all of that mess that forced Michael into the settlement in the first place? Seriously, no matter what a judge thinks personally about a defendant, allowing the defendant in a civil trial to be put in a position where they can't do anything to defend themselves without a settlement is total garbage in my opinion. And all it did was cause Michael nothing but grief for the rest of his life. And now look what's happening after his death. And I hope that the Estate and the other companies that Wade is suing don't fall into the same trap that Michael fell in. This is so stupid.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

MattyJam said:
There will be more, I'm sure of it. But people believe what they want to believe and I'm past caring what others think.
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I watched that Sean Penn documentary called Witch Hunt. It is about people who have been falsely accused of child molestation, convicted and spend years and decades in prison, before their accusers grew up and finally admitted these were false allegations enforced on them by an over-zealous DA. Their accusers often included these people's own children! The kids got simply brainwashed into saying things by authorities and their psychologists. One of the accused told in this documentary how when he first was thrown in jail another guy who was there for similar allegations (as it turned out those too were false allegations) warned him right away how he should be prepared for more "victims" coming forward. And they did (I think the guy eventually had six or seven accusers), as the DA kept working on the kids in the neighbourhood. Why I tell this? Because I remember thinking, while I was watching it, how it was a miracle that Michael only had three accusers in his life, when it seems so easy to brainwash kids into this. And he had hundreds and thousands of kids visiting NL and the DA was out to get him interviewing 40-60 (according to some sources up to 100) kids and they could only brainwash Jason Francia into supporting Chandler (as evidenced by his police interview it was a classic case of brainwashing a kid into it and forcing him to come up with something). And in Michael's case (unlike in the case of the people in Witch Hunt) there was also a huge financial motive to accuse him. So it truly is a miracle that there are no more alleged victims. Not because Michael is guilty, because he's not, but seeing how easy it is to manipulate kids into making such claims and what an easy, vulnerable target Michael was and he had money too. An ideal target for such allegations. But his Estate also has the money and Michael is still an easy target, so as sad as it is I can see more opportunists to try. Much like all those Billie Jeans with the paternity claims. But unfortunately these allegations are more harmful than paternity claims.

I can't say I don't care about what the public thinks. Michael is a public figure his image is very important in his marketibility. I'm convinced a lot of potential buyers and fans have been lost in the last 20 years because of those allegations.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

terrell said:
I agree. ALL families have drama and I do not make GODS out of the Jacksons to be perfect; however, to be accusing someone of a crime like Wade is terrible and imply Joe is just as bad as Wade is a disservice to say.
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fair enough. Totally agree. Point taken :)
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

MattyJam said:
As it's the only time he ever truly feels himself, he likes to maximise the time he spends with children. Trouble is, children grow up and as they do, they start to lose the very thing that made this man connect to them in the first place. The children and their families who have become accustomed to the many perks of being friends with a multi-millionare are perhaps no longer as big a part of this mans life as they once were. Many families come and go in and out of this mans life and are grateful for his kindness and generosity. There are some however, who feel entitled to more and as this man starts to become an increasingly distant figure in their life, they feel baffled, then frustrated and eventually disgruntled at this turn of events. Taking all of that into account, is it really that difficult to see why a select few of the many families this man has opened his home to decide to turn on him? In their eyes, he promised them the world and now he's abandoned them, he's gone and so is the money, the celebrity, the lifestyle, the free ride.
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Thats exactly what the Arvizos did. The time they showed anger on the witnesstand was when they were talking about how MJ started to drift away from them and not being there any longer.
 
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I agree. Personally, I put the blame on Johnny Cochran also. I think he scared Michael into thinking that he couldn't win the case against the Chandlers. And what was the judge thinking by allowing all of that mess that forced Michael into the settlement in the first place? Seriously, no matter what a judge thinks personally about a defendant, allowing the defendant in a civil trial to be put in a position where they can't do anything to defend themselves without a settlement is total garbage in my opinion. And all it did was cause Michael nothing but grief for the rest of his life. And now look what's happening after his death. And I hope that the Estate and the other companies that Wade is suing don't fall into the same trap that Michael fell in. This is so stupid.
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Yeah everything was a complete mess and unjustice at that time. Michael's lawyers Bert Fields and Anthony Pellicano wanted the criminal investigation and its criminal trial to proceed before the civil trial. So that Michael could clear his name in the criminal court and to plead his right to the 5th amendment: the refusal to testify. Otherwise if Michael was deposed in the civil trial where on the other hand the refusal to testify could be interpreted as a sign of guilt, he could self-incriminate himself for the criminal trial. Remember the Miranda speech: 'You have the right to remain silent. Anything that you can say can be used against you in a criminal proceeding..."

But the judge David Rothman favoured all the legal motion to Chandler and Larry Feldman by approving of a speedy trial that would start in 90 days due to the fact that Jordan was 13 and not yet 14 and denied the civil trial to be postponed after the criminal proceedings were finished due to Jordans memories, he could've forget all the details of what really happened. He approved that every evidence and documents would be handed over to the prosecution side so that they could build a stronger case against Michael in the criminal proceedings and therefore denied Fields and Pellicanos motion to Stay on Discovery.

These unfared legal motions were probably the reasons why Johnnie Cochran, who replaced Fields and Pellicano, wanted to pursue for a settlement. Who knows what would happen if they would proceed with the civil trial? Even if Michael would've won he might have been convicted in the criminal court due to that fact that the prosecution would already have all the evidence and deposition from Michael that were displayed in the civil trial and they could use them against him.
 
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Vici said:
Thats exactly what the Arvizos did. The time they showed anger on the witnesstand was when they were talking about how MJ started to drift away from them and not being there any longer.
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And I have the suspicion that that's also one of the manipulations Evan used on Jordan to turn him against Michael - told him that Michael would "leave him" anyway. When Jordan is asked by Dr. Gardner what he thinks is wrong with what allegedly was done to him he says:

"When you say it could have hurt you, how could it have hurt you?"

"Everybody thinks what he was doing could hurt, otherwise it wouldn't be a crime."

"Okay, how could it hurt? As you see it, how could it hurt you?"

"Because - that's a touchy subject, I guess. It separates you from any other people."

"How?"

"I don't know."

"Just your own guess."

"It could make me depressed or something, I don't know."

"Well, this is important. You say it's a crime. Why is it a crime?"

"Because, like I said before, he's using his experience, power, age - - "

"How could this have left you? If this had gone on and not been interrupted, how could you have ended up?"

"According to his pattern, I believe he would have left me and, sort of dumped me, I guess you could call it. And I would be, sort of, a vegetable."
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Also in that article that I linked in the other day (because it mentions how Robert Newt worked with Wade Robson at the time - 2005 - and how Wade told him that nothing ever happened to him): http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152708,00.html
At the end Newt says

He shakes his head, thinking about those who have made claims against Jackson.

"You have to look at these people, go back and see when their relationship with Michael fractured. The calls stopped coming," he said.

And Newt should know. After the adventure in 1985, the Newts never saw Jackson again. It didn't bother them, Bobby says, as much as it might have others.

"They probably didn't like it. And this is their way of getting back at him," he said.
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john13th said:
Yeah everything was a complete mess and unjustice at that time. Michael's lawyers Bert Fields and Anthony Pellicano wanted the criminal investigation and its criminal trial to proceed before the civil trial.
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I tell ya when the push comes to shove, Anthony Pelicano's
got so much on the Chandlers enuff to blow them outta the waters
sinking the great Titanic!
 
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Guys, what I am afraif of... is that the WRs (still) claims and the possible trial will affect the MJ One show and the tickets sales and all the projects and will simply disgust people, and I think the is the aim... of the conspiracy.
 
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Pelicano himself turned on Michael after his death , I won't be surprised if he testifies for Robson in their lawsuit. His serving his sentence now . Once he is released brace yourselves for tv interviews and book from that criminal.
 
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OK I admit, citing Pelicano's big mistake. He's just blowing hot air slease ball teasing.
He also said he's got stuff on
Arnold Schwarzenegger which, had the authorities found, "he would never have been governor"...

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This blog talk from a few pages back has been on now. Im not sure I could see anyone comment on it yet. It is quite good to listen to what she points out.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/jordan...nguage-expert-disputes-wade-robson-allegation

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I think the thing that really gets to me in all this is that Sneddon is likely salivating over all these new allegations.
 
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Soundmind said:
Pelicano himself turned on Michael after his death , I won't be surprised if he testifies for Robson in their lawsuit. His serving his sentence now . Once he is released brace yourselves for tv interviews and book from that criminal.
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I doubt he did. You probably refer to that article from about one-two years ago in which he was quoted as saying Michael "did worse to those kids than molest them", but I have the feeling it was the journalist's manipulation to quote him like that, especially because there was another article published about Pellicano on the same website, the same day which stated that Pellicano had incriminating evidence against the Chandlers! IMO that quote was deliberately taken out of context if Pellicano said that at all (and we don't know if he did, since he's in jai and he can't either confirm or deny it). Also it would be an odd comment to make because what could be worse than molestation - other than murder? I assume he maybe meant the fact that Michael settled which he was very much against. And that only if he even said anything at all. Sorry, but I just don't trust the media that much that I'd take an out of context quote like that at face value and declare that Pellicano turned against Michael simply based on that. Especially when the same publication said in another article the same day that Pellicano has evidence against the Chandlers. And he does. He did a lot of tape recording... And he despised the Chandlers with passion.
 
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It may sound a bit naive but I think the "worst things to kids than molest them" could potentially be his "abandoning" them after a certain point. How he'd get new friends and the old kids would get jealous, like Corey Feldman who basically said being ditched by MJ was worst than being really sexually abused by his abuser. And as Respect pointed out, Jordan even pointed out the same thing, and Gavin Arvizo...
 
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That's right, Soundmind. He has threatened to expose something worse than child molestation about Michael.
 
la_cienega;3828838 said:
It may sound a bit naive but I think the "worst things to kids than molest them" could potentially be his "abandoning" them after a certain point. How he'd get new friends and the old kids would get jealous, like Corey Feldman who basically said being ditched by MJ was worst than being really sexually abused by his abuser. And as Respect pointed out, Jordan even pointed out the same thing, and Gavin Arvizo...
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Or he could have meant the settlement. Meaning that he let them get away with extortion. Or maybe he didn't say it at all. Knowing how passionate Pellicano was about it I need a bit more proof that he turned than a journalist's word - especially when the journalist is quoting him out of context and the same publication on the same day gives contradictory info.

In September 1994 on a secretly taped phone conversation with Jim Mitteager, who was a reporter for The Globe tabloid at the time, Pellicano spoke about this event as well (at the time he did not work for Jackson any more):

“PELLICANO: You have to understand something. I have nine kids. Michael [Jackson] plays with my baby. They crawl all over him. They pull his hair. They pull his nose. Sometimes he wears a bandage across his face. If I let my own kids (unintelligible) do you think there’s a chance?

MITTEAGER: Well, all things being equal, I would say, no.

PELLICANO: Not only that. If you sat this kid [Jordie Chandler] down like I did, as a matter of fact, he couldn’t wait to get up and go play video games. I said, “you don’t understand how serious this is. Your dad [Evan Chandler] is going to accuse Michael of sexual molestation. He going to say all kinds of stuff.” He [Jordie] says, “Yeah, my dad’s trying to get money.” As a matter of fact, I (unintelligible) for 45 minutes. Then I tried tricking him. I mean, I want you to know, I’m a vegetarian. I picked this kid with a fine tooth comb. So we’re there (unintelligible) with this kid... and If you sat down and talked to this kid, there wouldn’t be any doubt in your mind either. And I said Michael is all upset. We went over and over. I tried to get him to sit down and he wants to play video games while I’m sitting there. I’m sitting there with the kid’s mother [June Chandler] and David Schwartz walks in and (unintelligible) what’s this all about? And [Barry] Rothman (unintelligible) asking questions. There is no question that Rothman (unintelligible) what this is all about.”

(Both Pellicano and Mitteager had a habit of taping their conversations. This conversation was found amongst Mitteager’s tapes, which were handed over to Paul Barresi after Mitteager’s death. Barresi gave this tape to reporter, Aphrodite Jones, who published the transcript on her website.)
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

so that's it ? she is surprised ? very surprised ? Let's think positively , at least she did not say I was surprised MJ molested him :smilerolleyes:
 
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Soundmind said:
so that's it ? she is surprised ? very surprised ? Let's think positively , at least she did not say I was surprised MJ molested him :smilerolleyes:
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Yeah...

I gave up on this family a long time ago.
 
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Tbh shes the last person i want defending mj. Or care what she thinks
 
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But at least we know now that Wade dated two of Michael's nieces (Yashi was one of them as far as I heard).

So was it one big happy family? First Wade was molested by Michael and then, or during the abuse, he went out with his nieces? Is that what he claims?
 
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