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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

As always - it's the media that fans the flames - those flames can be extinguished by the truth.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Bonnie Blue said:
Clearly this someone hasn't read the court testimony very carefully as it's just wrong. Wade had plenty of contact, on his own with mj in his bedroom at both neverland and his westwood apartment and hotels in 1990 when he was 7. It's all in the court transcripts. I imagine wade isn't claiming abuse 24/7 from 1990-1996. I guess he'll be alleging the first abuse started in 1990 and thelast incident of abuse was in 96/97 when he was about 14 i think he said. There's no point using false arguments to prop up mj's case.
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That's true

but was he ever really around MJ alone between 94-96 ( or 97 ) to even make that claim ?

Michael was back and forth with Lisa at her home and at the ranch , didn't Sneedon try to get an extension on the statue of limitations for that reason ?
 
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Stacey Brown is a liar coz tmz ask jermain about the fact taj was molested by his mom brother he said to tmz he didnt know what hes talking about i think Stacey Brown trying to get easy money on mj back what a loser lies lies lies
here we catch Stacey Brownin his own lies how u goin to answer that huh Stacey ? you will do anything for money dont u i bet you will sell your own moma short for taste of gold

http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/16/jermaine-jackson-taj-nephew-shocked-molestation-wade-robson/
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Honestly, why doesn't the World just end right now.......

......Let's face it, it's never gonna get better!!!
 
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LarryBono said:
That's true

but was he ever really around MJ alone between 94-96 ( or 97 ) to even make that claim ?

Michael was back and forth with Lisa at her home and at the ranch , didn't Sneedon try to get an extension on the statue of limitations for that reason ?
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He spent a week at Joy Robson apartment when Wade was 14.
 
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jamba said:
Where there's smoke there's fire--OR--Where there's smoke, there's a lot of SMOKERS!
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Or arsonists. I like that one too. TBH, I don't know why people give Stacy Brown and his diarrhea mouth the time of day...
 
Fox News, Former Protégé of Michael Jackson. Should be posted all over the internet this will give people an opening into how Michael was set up with different boys. How they were willing to pay thousands of dollars just to bring Michael down. Young people visit Youtube all the time. I think this post will do a lot to change minds.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I don't want to ever hear Rebbie talk about Michael ever. She is friends with someone who trashes her brother and makes a living trying to make people think he abused children. I don't care if you are not close with someone in your family but that is just wrong. These kind of people cannot take the heat when challenged and run away. Michael was degraded, violated and had his privacy taken from him all to see if he molested children and there was nothing there. I am sick and tired of these people. They will reap what they sow someday.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The problem with him talking nonsense is that the Jacksons are not refuting his claims and some people might believe him. The good thing is not many people are paying attention to him now, but we don't know if they will when Wade decides to take him as an ally. His story is similar to LaToya's, claiming Michael fam knew about it. I know all he's saying are lies but why can't Michael's family confront him, can't they just do it at least once? I wish Brown had a lot of money because that'll be enough for the Jackson to sue him. It bothers me the things that are being said about Michael and I'm taking the Jackson's silence as consent, the Jacksons have to know what Wade & Brown are saying but they prefer to be quiet.

There's one thing that confused me. Where I live there's a man who works in maintenance & has vitiligo, so according to Brown's theory, if this worker decides to wear a mask- for reasons unknown to me -I have to suspect that he's a pedophile. What an ignorant he is. I wonder what studies has he done to come to that conclusion.
 
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Those of you who are waiting for the family or Rebbie to say something against Stacey will wait a long time. Stacy has been writing trash about Michael, Jermaine, & others for a long time, and don't you guys find it strange that he always says the family told him, and yet they never call him out on it? Look at what he wrote about Taj, & all Taj tweeted was a tiny comment? Compare that to the length of Taj's tweets when Wade came out. Taj was mad then & had to expose something private about himself to protect his uncle. Now Stacy says something about the uncle & Taj, and you don't see the same rage from TaJ. What is wrong with this picture? The same tweet he made after Stacey's comments, could also be used after Wade's story, but Taj came out with great force only against Wade.

My feeling is that in Stacey's presence, the family voiced nasty comments about Michael & are afraid to tell off Stacey in case he spills more of what they said. I think some in the family thought Michael was a P--- because he dressed differently, did not come around them much, played with kids--you know the usual biases. In a sense Stacey is blackmailing them with his knowledge, so they keep quiet while he trashes Michael & some in the family. Taj must know as well, because where is his rage.

That comment about the witness, the book, & Stacy's hope of being the ghost writer should be included in the comments on the internet, because I have heard people who don't know the truth claim that the 2 jurors were intimidated by the rest of the jurors, bla, bla.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Weird I haven't heard anything here in Mexico but it's better though, my family haters won't be mocking on Michael, bashing him or picking one me.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If anyone in Michael's family actually thought he abused children then shame on them. They had no problem taking his money from him either.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Those fb comments really made me upset. I can't read that anymore, especially after Stacy Brown claims "Jermaine & Lawanda told him it was Michael who molested Taj", no one ever supporting that claim, in history, Jermaine has no recollection of this, I doubt his then mistress does either..What a douche.

Lol, okay, now my anger has turned into comical confusion. Later on in Stacy Browns comments he says nobody knew of Michael having vitiligo, his family was kept in the dark. Joe says "it ain't on his side of the family", but didn't both Joe & Katherine always say that the family did in fact have a history of vitiligo with either Joe or Katherine's father? And then he goes, "Jermaine even wrote a song about it, "first you were made/then you changed your shade"", talking about that crappy song Jermaine made in the 80's. And he makes this statement as a form of proof to prove that the family knew nothing of this skin disorder. Then goes on to say in the very next comment "Jermaine is always crying and vying for attention. Michael rarely gave it to him, and Jermaine was bothered by that", well no shit. And you don't think perhaps THAT's the reason why he made that song? Lolol. This guy..
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Snow White luvs Peter Pan said:
Weird I haven't heard anything here in Mexico but it's better though, my family haters won't be mocking on Michael, bashing him or picking one me.
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I was in someone's home today & was told this story was all over the news. I thought you guys said it was not being covered much. I was told it was on channel 7, 4, TMZ, I think they said 5 too. Maybe some of the New York local channels covered this & we did not notice. Anyway, the family did not believe Wade only because he waited after Michael died & was in music videos. I shared the inconsistency issues with them as well, including Knew all the time, testimony in 05, him not "understanding" when the prosecutor gave him that explicit direct examination, etc.

Whoisit the people in the family who give Stacey information are at fault too. If the stories are not true, then the particular family member simple has to have their lawyer send Stacey a letter. However, since he keeps doing this, we know the family is doing nothing. Look at how Taj said nothing forceful to Stacey. Stacy is allowed to continue his false & hateful claims against Michael, because the family allows it. The same family that asked AEG for a settlement.
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

bouee said:
Lol ! I meant Chandler sued Michael, LMP, and the whole planet, sorry
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Oh ok thanks

i thought u meant lisa sued mj one time
 
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I shared the inconsistency issues with them as well, including Knew all the time, testimony in 05, him not "understanding" when the prosecutor gave him that explicit direct examination, etc.
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What did the family say after u told them bout all the inconsistency issues?
 
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Moonwalker77 said:
I wonder how Rebbie Jack$on ,who is a good friend of Stacy Brown, is feeling right now....Must be fun between the Jack$on$ right now lol
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Rebbie doesnt care otherwise she would ditch brown and tell him to stfu
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Taj called him a clown. You can't get much more dismissive of a person than that.
 
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Petrarose said:
I was in someone's home today & was told this story was all over the news. I thought you guys said it was not being covered much. I was told it was on channel 7, 4, TMZ, I think they said 5 too. Maybe some of the New York local channels covered this & we did not notice. Anyway, the family did not believe Wade only because he waited after Michael died & was in music videos. I shared the inconsistency issues with them as well, including Knew all the time, testimony in 05, him not "understanding" when the prosecutor gave him that explicit direct examination, etc.

Whoisit the people in the family who give Stacey information are at fault too. If the stories are not true, then the particular family member simple has to have their lawyer send Stacey a letter. However, since he keeps doing this, we know the family is doing nothing. Look at how Taj said nothing forceful to Stacey. Stacy is allowed to continue his false & hateful claims against Michael, because the family allows it. The same family that asked AEG for a settlement.
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That's true as well. You can use the guilty by your actions argument against the family. As low as I've learned this family can get, I don't know if I'm willing to believe they're THAT low, just yet.

And as WildStyle just stated before me, Taj dismissed him just fine.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^8701 They simply nodded their heads, because these people do not get details the way we do. Nor do they look at what people say or what the media say in a critical manner. I already knew that what they mentioned to me about Wade waiting till Michael died, etc., was what they already heard the reporters on the tv say. They are typical of those who basically listen to what the media say and simple repeat it to another person.

These people are my clients & the first time I met the grandmother she told me she believed that Michael was a P and her first "evidence" was the comment about sharing a bed. She was all outraged by that comment & sat down to tackle me about Michael. She mentioned that her niece gets upset when she tries to talk about the molestation & they argue. Of course I was the opposite and let her make her big noise. I did not get upset & did not argue, which was what she wanted so she could feed off that. I calmly told her I would bring her some documents from court. I can tell you now that she does not believe Michael was a molester.

^^Well if you think the way Taj handled him was very effective then OK.
 
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Petrarose said:
^^8701 They simply nodded their heads, because these people do not get details the way we do. Nor do they look at what people say or what the media say in a critical manner. I already knew that what they mentioned to me about Wade waiting till Michael died, etc., was what they already heard the reporters on the tv say. They are typical of those who basically listen to what the media say and simple repeat it to another person.

These people are my clients & the first time I met the grandmother she told me she believed that Michael was a P and her first "evidence" was the comment about sharing a bed. She was all outraged by that comment & sat down to tackle me about Michael. She mentioned that her niece gets upset when she tries to talk about the molestation & they argue. Of course I was the opposite and let her make her big noise. I did not get upset & did not argue, which was what she wanted so she could feed off that. I calmly told her I would bring her some documents from court. I can tell you now that she does not believe Michael was a molester.

^^Well if you think the way Taj handled him was very effective then OK.
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Thats the problem the general public tend to treat the media like they are god and they are not




Says the guy with a girls name :S
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:toofunny: :toofunny: I know right
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

There's a bit from the Havamal that I believe sums up Stacey quite well:

The ignorant booby had best be silent
When he moves among other men,
No one will know what a nit-wit he is
Until he begins to talk;
No one knows less what a nit-wit he is
Than the man who talks too much.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

We had evidence to that none other than Katherine Jackson tampered with the jury
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How the heck did she "tamper" with the jury???? she jedi mastered them did she?..... :rolleyes: :doh: LOL!
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

In the book I wrote for Bob Jones and in Diane Dimond book, he is not called a pedophile. Both books try and present a balanced look at him and allow the reader to decide whatever they wish.
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What utter crap! When Diane Dimond went on her whoring that stupid book promotion tour from interview to interview, Dan Abrams (from the show that use to be on MSNBC called the Abrams Report) had Diane Dimond on and he told her he and his producer felt it was obvious after reading her book it betrays MJ as a Pedophile, even when she doesn't flat out say it. She actaully sat there shaking her head saying no it wasn't true! lol

Home girl was afraid of a defamation lawsuit IMO and has been since the first one MJ had against her, that is the real reason why she will never say what she really wanna say but goes out of her way to present it in a way that makes you know what she really is trying to say. Her games aren't hard to miss and so is Stacey's! -_-

And I hate when they use that saying "Where there's smoke, there's fire" against MJ. All I have to say about that is ever heard of ARSON!? Cause that's how the fire started!

Also Stacey Brown really started gettin nasty about MJ once MJ issued a statement to the Abrams report that Stacey don't speak on his behalf during the 03 allegations/05 trial. He had an embarrassed ass look on his face when that letter from MJ was read on TV! His title quickly went from "Jackson Family friend" to "FORMER Jackson family friend" by his next visit to the show. I couldn't have laughed any harder! By the way this fool only met MJ once briefly, he even said so himself. SO HE KNOWS SH*T about Mike. Just because he is friends with Rebbie don't mean crap. Rebbie was gone out of the Jackson home before they even left Gary after she got married. She barely had time to even know her lil brother MJ, she lucky he tried to help her ungrateful ass with her "career" when he did. Remember "Centipede?" lol
 
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Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^Her only hit is due entirely to Michael. He helped them all & now non-family members help Michael.
 
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I cannot believe we are doing this again you guys

I don't think I can handle the month of June , it's hard enough approaching the 4th anniversary of his passing but if this really goes to a civil trial I think I will have to be in the hospital. I can't deal with anymore injustice , after Troy Davis and the possiblity of George Zimmerman getting away with murdering Trayvon Martin and now this I just don't know.

If Wade is rewarded the money in the civil trial Michael's reputation will be damaged even after his death ... the good thing is that alot of the media and celebs do not buy his nonsense.

I love how Jojo dragged him on her twitter.
 
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Justthefacts said:
I want Rebbie to call him out on this
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I want Rebbie to call Stacy out also. But unfortunately, she doesn't say anything to defend Michael at all. She went on all those talk shows in 2003 or 2004 being snarky about Michael and complaining that the whole allegations mess around him was causing difficulties for her kids in school with other kids making fun of them because Michael was their uncle. And she didn't say anything when Stacy, if I remember correctly, wrote an article basically talking bad about the family (and especially Michael) after Rebbie's husband died. It's a real shame that she could still be friends with Stacy after all of that.


I wish that fans were not always classified as people who think of Michael as some saint. I know that Michael was human and he made mistakes. But I'm tired of Michael being talked about like he was the worst person to ever live. Just look at how the media talk about him. I believe they rarely (if ever) have anything positive to say. And I also think that they temper any positivity about Michael with a mean comment or a spiteful swipe at his public relations troubles or his music. To hear them talk, somebody who didn't know better would think that this man never did anything right in his whole life. I think that Wade believes he will get somewhere with his claims because he doesn't really have to prove anything he's saying and also because he knows that the allegations mess is still a huge thorn in the side of Michael's legacy. And I don't believe he would be pushing this trash if so many people didn't already think that Michael was guilty.
 
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bluetopez;3827407 said:
Home girl was afraid of a defamation lawsuit IMO and has been since the first one MJ had against her, that is the real reason why she will never say what she really wanna say but goes out of her way to present it in a way that makes you know what she really is trying to say. Her games are hard to miss and so is Stacey's! -_-
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Absolutely! And the same was for Evan Chandler! He went out of his way not to make accusations against Michael himself, so he could not be sued for slander! That's what the Abrams letter was for. He read it for Michael, but since it weren't his words, he could not be accused of saying those things of Michael himself. It's clear from both Ray's book and the Schwartz convo that's the game they were playing.

MR. CHANDLER: Let me put it to you this way: I have a set routine of words that I'm going to go in there that have been rehearsed and I'm going to say.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
MR. CHANDLER: Okay? Because I don't want to say anything that could be used against me.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
MR. CHANDLER: So I know exactly what I can say. That's why I'm bringing the tape recorder.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
MR. CHANDLER: I have some things on paper to show a few people --
MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
MR. CHANDLER: -- and that's it. My whole part is going to take two or three minutes, and I'm going to turn around [tape irregularity], and that's it. There's not going to be anything said, other than what I've been told to say -
MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
MR. CHANDLER: -- and I'm going to turn around and leave, and they're going to have a decision to make.
MR. SCHWARTZ: Yeah.
MR. CHANDLER: And based on that decision, I'll decide whether or not we're going to talk again or whether it's going to go further.
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From Ray's book:

“In an interview for Vanity Fair six months after the Westwood Marquis meeting, Pellicano drew attention to the fact that Evan hugged Michael at the start of the meeting."If I believed somebody molested my kid and I got that close to him, I'd be on death row right now." Supposedly this means that because Evan didn't kill Michael right then and there, he really didn't believe the molestation occurred.

Pellicano, of course, would have us believe Evan had already accused Michael of molesting Jordie as part of an extortion attempt, so when Evan hugged him it showed he knew Michael had done no such thing.

But if Evan went there to extort Michael, why would he start off by giving him a big hug? Why would he act friendly? Wouldn't he at least pretend that he believed Michael had molested Jordie and that he was angry? Especially with Michael's audio expert/private investigator present as a witness!

That Evan walked into the meeting and gave Michael a big hug only corroborates that Evan went there with the belief that Michael genuinely cared for Jordie and hadn't done anything intentional to hurt him. After all, the idea that Michael was being accused of intentionally harming the boy — that a "molestation" had occurred — did not originate in Evan's mind. It was Anthony Pellicano and Bert Fields who first used the term."
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Why would you say that if your child had been molested?
This meeting took place on August 4 - after, according to the Chandler's timeline - Jordan already "confessed" to his father (July 16). So it's pretty interesting that 1) Evan hugged Michael and patted him on the back upon meeting him. The book says:

“Evan then walked over to Michael and embraced the star with a big, happy-to-see-you hug, patting him on the back like an old friend.”
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I bet Wade's lawyer could explain this behavior as the typical behavior of parents of abused children...

Moreover it's pretty interesting that 2) Evan distances himself of being the originator of the idea that a "molestation" (he even puts it in quotation marks!) happened. Why? Of course, it was a no brainer from the Abrams letter for Pellicano and Fields to know that's what MJ is being accused of. But it's interesting how Evan hides behind that letter and goes out of his way to make sure not to accuse MJ himself. That's because he knew it was a lie and he tried to prevent to be sued for slander.

On August 1 Barry Rothman even warned Pellicano that Evan cannot be sued even if the allegations are not true!

"But Barry was not intimidated. He informed Pellicano that Evan had made no public statements of defamatory remarks about Michael in any way. And further, that Evan, as a dentist, was a mandatory reporter governed by the same requirements as any licensed health professional. Not only was he required to report his suspicions to the proper authorities, but he could not be sued for doing so even if they turned out to be incorrect."
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Again, why would you say that if your child truly had been molested? According to their timeline Jordan had already confessed to his father about the molestation at the time.
 
Re: Wade Robson files claim of childhood sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

In Taj's defense, where I'm from, there's nothing more dismissive than "You're a clown". It isn't a term that's used lightly, it discredits everything you say and everything you believe in as an individual. It's just another way of saying "you're a joke". I don't see any reason after that for Taj to go any further as far as Stacy Brown is concerned. He addressed it, dismissed him, why would he continue to waste his time, when the only thing that will happen is Stacy will probably continue to drag Taj's name threw the mud, call him a liar and all sorts of crap for calling him out on his BS.


However, Rebbie needs to wake up and smell the coffee, either disassociate yourself from that POS or tell him he's wrong, and make it public.
 
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