[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[myosotis]

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This sounds like a pre-trial tactic because Wade's case doesn't 'stand up' against any critical examination. I guess his lawyers can claim that he can't be questioned in court on his interactions with Michael, because the questioning makes him feel suicidal? So if Wade is judged 'not mentally fit' to give evidence in court, I wonder what happens then... I presume that his forthcoming mental evaluation will look at his 'mental fitness' to give evidence?

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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^ But Wade was the one filing the civil lawsuit and it was his choice.

 

[redfrog]

I guess his lawyers can claim that he can't be questioned in court on his interactions with Michael, because the questioning makes him feel suicidal?

But but he was joking about the adult magazines when he was questioned in court on his interactions with Michael:

13 Q. The title of this one, please? No. 510.
14 A. “Stiff Dick Lynn.” Or “for Lynn,” sorry.
15 Q. “For Lynn”?
16 A. “Stiff Dick for Lynn.”
17 Q. Let’s get our prepositions right.
18 A. Get it right, yeah.
19 Q. Go ahead and turn the page, if you would.
20 A. I never thought I’d have a room of people
21 watching me do this.

A real abuse victim would not have been in a good mood while looking at the very things his abuser used to groom
him.

And now all of sudden he is suicidal. Bullshit. This is more nonsense for the tabloids to slander MJ.

 

[myosotis]

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^ But Wade was the one filing the civil lawsuit and it was his choice.

That was when he thought he could make a few million quick bucks. Now he's probably realised that's not going to happen......and his lies are going to fall apart under questioning.

 

[HIStory]

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I think the reason why they do it is probably tactical, but they are not saying he doesn't want to give a deposition. It's not about that. They are just trying to have it sooner than the Estate does. It surely is tactical and what Ivy said, for example, makes sense as to the purose of it. That they don't want to give enough time for the Estate after the mental exam to use it somehow during his deposition. (Or the more cynical approach: that they are trying to have it before MJ's birthday so that by his birthday they can once again start with the tabloid offensive by planting stories about it to Radar Online - with their twist of course.)

The reasoning they give is an obvious BS. What makes him suddenly more suicidal than during this process so far - a process that's going on for three years? He didn't have qualms about going on TV making allegations and posting Radar Online articles on his Facebook with salacious headlines, but all of a sudden now he should be given special treatment because he "might" get sucidial? Because they do not even say there is some recent health development, deterioration of his mental health or anything. No. They just say he "might" get suicidal because he is an alleged victim of sexual abuse and because of his family history of suicide. So it is not like there is some imminent health threat of him committing suicide. This is obviously BS and is for tactical reasons to get their way in court.

 

[redfrog]

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posting Radar Online articles on his Facebook with salacious headlines

WTF he did that? Which rape victim would post tabloid articles about his rape?
I hope he Estate documented this behavior. I would also like to know whose handwriting is that on the police report
and why Zonen wanted to talk and with exactly who. If Robson's connection to this vile tabloid could be proven
it would further undermine his credibility.

 

[ivy]

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They are saything this because they don't want Robson to be mentally evaluated !!! Robson is trying to get out of that!

I don't think that is possible. The request was granted and a date was set. So I think the mental evaluation is a done deal.

Is such a mental examination easy to fool?

It's not really a pass fail type of thing. It is basically a psychologist examining Robson, asking him questions, using certain methods to form an opinion.

I guess his lawyers can claim that he can't be questioned in court on his interactions with Michael, because the questioning makes him feel suicidal? So if Wade is judged 'not mentally fit' to give evidence in court, I wonder what happens then... I presume that his forthcoming mental evaluation will look at his 'mental fitness' to give evidence?

uhh I'm not quite sure. First of all one the main rights is to face your accuser. So Robson couldn't and shouldn't be able to get out of being questioned, grilled, challenged. There really needs to extreme circumstances for this to not happen.

I think the reason why they do it is probably tactical, but they are not saying he doesn't want to give a deposition. It's not about that. They are just trying to have it sooner than the Estate does. It surely is tactical and what Ivy said, for example, makes sense as to the purose of it. That they don't want to give enough time for the Estate after the mental exam to use it somehow during his deposition. (Or the more cynical approach: that they are trying to have it before MJ's birthday so that by his birthday they can once again start with the tabloid offensive by planting stories about it to Radar Online - with their twist of course.)

As for RO, there is a motion for protective order for Robson's deposition. Assuming (and most likely) it is granted, so I don't expect it to become public until the trial - if that happens.

that being said, I do agree that this is tactical. Having the deposition as soon as possible so that Estate can't prep properly. If it was me, I would prefer to get all discovery, depose everyone else and then depose Robson the last. I guess it is possible for them to agree to do a deposition now and redepose him later if needed.

The other thing could be in regard to the damages. The more extreme and significant effects you claim, the more damages aka money you can ask. They did this with the initial complaint too. Claiming he could never ever work in entertainment again. So as far as the damages go, it would mean they could ask for a lifetime earnings of a choreographer. So it could be the same thing here. They could claim that he is to the point of being suicidal to ask for higher amount of damages for mental distress.

 

[HIStory]

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I've had a thought.

Maybe Wade Robson could do what Amber Heard recently did with her divorce settlement from Johnny Depp. She was widely criticised for being a gold digger but is donating the entire $7million from her settlement to spousal violence and abuse charities.

So Wade, I ask you this, will you, as Amber Heard has recently done, promise to donate every penny you could potentially make from Michael's estate to abuse charities?

Nah, thought not.

Well, he claims he needs this money because he cannot work any more, so based on that he intends most of the money for himself. But I have no doubt he would throw some to child abuse charities just for the facade.

 

[PoP]

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That's me being sarcastic to Robson's suicidal claims

In fact I wouldn't even care less about that backstabbing b@$^@#%. Guess karma might've caught to him and bit him in the @$$.

 

[Billie Jean 78]

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It's not really a pass fail type of thing. It is basically a psychologist examining Robson, asking him questions, using certain methods to form an opinion.

Yes, I know, but is it easy to trick the psychologist to get him form an opinion that would be benificial for (in this case) Robson?

 

[redfrog]

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I wonder how common it is for victims of childhood sexual abuse to be rendered incapable of working in adulthood?

Corey Feldman, a real abuse victim, is still in the entertainment industry exactly where he was abused.
Of course Robson wanted to be an international superstar and that won't happen because he realized that he was raped.
Because now that he realized he can only do dance videos noone cares about.
He cannot do big projects which pay well.
How can anyone take his bullshit seriously is beyond me.

 

[terrell]

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I've had a thought.

Maybe Wade Robson could do what Amber Heard recently did with her divorce settlement from Johnny Depp. She was widely criticised for being a gold digger but is donating the entire $7million from her settlement to spousal violence and abuse charities.

So Wade, I ask you this, will you, as Amber Heard has recently done, promise to donate every penny you could potentially make from Michael's estate to abuse charities?

Nah, thought not.

Amber is PLANNING on donating. I will believe it when I see it with her. I think she was one of those people who hit first and when people hit back, Amber want to cry foul.

 

[8701girl]

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I don't think that is possible. The request was granted and a date was set. So I think the mental evaluation is a done deal.

That is true but they are hoping him being "suicidal" will get him out of it otherwise why else would they leak his "suicidal tendencies" out

 

[8701girl]

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Amber is PLANNING on donating. I will believe it when I see it with her. I think she was one of those people who hit first and when people hit back, Amber want to cry foul.

I agree

 

[barbee0715]

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Amber is PLANNING on donating. I will believe it when I see it with her. I think she was one of those people who hit first and when people hit back, Amber want to cry foul.

Ive seen several different entertainment shows this week talking about it-apparently she said donate "some" of the proceeds to charity and one radio show laughed saying it would probably be 1.00.
Today on the news, she said ALL. So we will see.

 

[terrell]

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Ive seen several different entertainment shows this week talking about it-apparently she said donate "some" of the proceeds to charity and one radio show laughed saying it would probably be 1.00.
Today on the news, she said ALL. So we will see.

People need to remember that when people lie, they need to play up to their lies just like this Wade nut. I believe most good thinking people (for those who care. Many people do not care. They love MJ nd that is that. Only haters will talk and that seem to be the case with everyone dealing with internet trolls and haters. It is starting to back fire on these clowns).

 

[ivy]

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Yes, I know, but is it easy to trick the psychologist to get him form an opinion that would be benificial for (in this case) Robson?

I imagine only a psychologist can answer how easy it is to fool the expert.

That is true but they are hoping him being "suicidal" will get him out of it otherwise why else would they leak his "suicidal tendencies" out

we discussed "why" in the thread. Tactical reasons such as have the deposition done without giving Estate much time to prepare might be a reason. Personally I don't think he can get him out of testifying. Like I said facing your accuser is one of main aspects of US legal system and everyday traumatized actual victims testify.

Finally I wouldn't consider this as a "leak". We knew there were motions filed in this case a week before Radar even reported it. So it is most likely that they just got the documents from the court and reported them.

 

[Goddess4Real]

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Ive seen several different entertainment shows this week talking about it-apparently she said donate "some" of the proceeds to charity and one radio show laughed saying it would probably be 1.00.
Today on the news, she said ALL. So we will see.

Yuuuup I expect Wade to try this tactic, along with the other textbook child abuse jargon he has picked up along the way .......and say he will donate the money from his bogus lawsuits to a child abuse charity that he is apart of/or has started while he was living in Hawaii......because he wants to be "their voice". After all Everything is PR these days.

 

[HIStory]

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I wonder how common it is for victims of childhood sexual abuse to be rendered incapable of working in adulthood?

Yes. I have never actually heard such a thing that someone dicovered in adulthood that he or she was a victim of child abuse and that all of a sudden made him unable to work for the rest of their life. Child abuse victims are not disabled people. Of course, if Robson has the kind of mental issues that run in his family (bipolar - that his father had or severe depression that his cousin had) those may make someone unable to work. But that's genetic in his family and has nothing to do with what he alleges. But of course having bipolar or familial depression won't finance him for the rest of his life. So how to get out of it? Make false child abuse allegations against MJ that may get you millions and finance your retirement in Hawaii for the rest of your life.

Yes, I know, but is it easy to trick the psychologist to get him form an opinion that would be benificial for (in this case) Robson?

Robson seems to pretty consciously preparing for himself to look like a victim. By his website he constantly reads books about child abuse. By his interviews and FB comments he constantly uses textbook language that is present in those kind of books. He visits meetings among child abuse victims - I am sure to pick up ideas from what they say, how they behave. So since he is so conscious about preparing himself to act like a real victim, I am sure he will try to give all the "right" answers to fool the psychologist.

How easy it is to fool a psychologist? Psychology is not an exact science and psychologists often can have very different opinions about the same issue and same person. Some are easily fooled because they are wary of challenging anyone who claims child abuse - due to the sensitivity of the issue and they don't want to seem insensitive. Some even have an inclination to encourage people to make up child abuse allegations as an answer to all of their psychological problems. There have been several cases where it was the psychologist who planted false ideas of childhood abuse in a patient's mind. And then there are those who dare to be sceptical about such claims and don't believe anything just because someone claims so. So it varies. In a legal case you usually have the plaintiff's experts say one thing and the defense's experts say the opposite and I assume this would be the case here as well.

BTW, I have recently watched a couple of documentaries about psychopathy and sociopathy. Without diagnosing Robson as such (which of course, I cannot from my armchair, and I am not qualified anyway), but then I wouldn't be surprised if he scored high in the psychopathy test, since he does seem to have some of the traits. Not all psychopaths are Hannibal Lecter, most actually aren't, and it is a spectrum anyway, so I am not comparing him to some sort of serial killer, that's not what it is. But the most relevant characteristics of a psychopath/sociopath are lying and manipulating people without remorse or guilt and unable to feel empathy. I think he does have those traits. Remember when his cousin said about him 12 years ago: "When he does something wrong he will never apologize, when it's clearly his fault. He always has to get things his way no matter what, even if it hurts other people." Even if it hurts other people... Of course this isn't enough to diagnose someone as such, it's just that I wonder how high he would score in a psychopathy test and I wouldn't be surprised if it was pretty high. But if he is one, or if he would score high in a psychopathy test, that also means he is highly manipulative. Although psychopaths don't feel empathy or emotions, but they are very good at miming them by observing other people. Which is what I think Robson uses all those books and meetings with real vitims for - to learn how to mime those emotions. So he may be able to fool a psychologist by knowing what are the "right" answers to give - especially since he is so consciously preparing himself. But maybe psychology has methods for dealing with such manipulative people.

Regardless of whether Robson is or isn't (or how high he would score), this is actually an interesting docu about psychopaths (if someone is interested). As you see it isn't just the serial killer, they can be highly functional members of society.

 

[Goddess4Real]

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Thanks, the things people will do for MONEY! he's doing his "research" alright......and it wouldn't surprise me if he or a relative or friend visits MJ related fb, twitter, forums etc to get ideas as well....for his lawsuits and any future tell-all he releases.....kind of like what Shana etc has been doing, the cut and past job and hey presto they have a book approach. I would be really shocked if this wasn't the case......but I think that that will be his Plan B.

 

[#MJforever57]

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Well this is what happen when you tell a lie on top of another lie. Wade just might have told his last lie. If i was the judge i would just simple say you have yet to prove that this has happen to you you leave me with no other choice but to dismiss this case for lack of evidence.

 

[terrell]

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And what is Gene Simmon's problem. I guess someone is paying his stupid tail to say something now.

 

[HIStory]

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And what is Gene Simmon's problem. I guess someone is paying his stupid tail to say something now.

If someone is wondering: it's just a rock website rehashing his old comments about MJ or him restating those comments again. Same BS as before. He claims that a travel agent of MJ testified that he brought back boys from Brazil for MJ. Never happened. No such testimony was ever given. He claims that MJ is on tape admitting he gave kids "Jesus Juice". Never happened. There is no such a tape. And he claims someone who knows in the industry and played on one of MJ's tour quit because he saw boys coming out of his room. I doubt this happened either. Just same ol' BS by Simmons. He is so pressed about MJ that he makes up things.

The irony is that he is the one who wrote such a song where he considers a 16-year-old a sex object:

"Christine Sixteen"

She's got me dizzy, she sees me through to the end
She's got me in her hands and there's no use in pretending

Christine sixteen, Christine sixteen

She drives me crazy, I want to give her all I've got
And she's hot every day and night, there is no doubt about it

Christine sixteen, Christine sixteen

"I don't usually say things like this to girls your age, but when I saw you
coming out of the school that day, that day I knew, I knew, I've got to have
you, I've got to have you."

She's' been around, but she's young and clean
I've got to have her, can't live without her, whoo no
Christine sixteen, Christine sixteen

Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, yeah
So clean, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, Christine, yeah, yeah
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, Christine, yeah, yeah
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, yeah, yeah
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, yeah, yeah
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen, Christine, yeah, yeah
Christine, Christine, sixteen, sixteen
Christine, yeah, yeah, yeah

Compare that to the fact that MJ wrote songs against the abuse of children, including a song against the sexual exploitation of children by Hollywood where the protagonist is "only fifteen".

In my experience those who have the most skeletons in their closet are always the ones barking the loudest. I wouldn't be surprised if Simmons had sex with many underage groupies. It was a thing with those '70s rock acts.

 

[terrell]

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If someone is wondering: it's just a rock website rehashing his old comments about MJ or him restating those comments again. Same BS as before. He claims that a travel agent of MJ testified that he brought back boys from Brazil for MJ. Never happened. No such testimony was ever given. He claims that MJ is on tape admitting he gave kids "Jesus Juice". Never happened. There is no such a tape. And he claims someone who knows in the industry and played on one of MJ's tour quit because he saw boys coming out of his room. I doubt this happened either. Just same ol' BS by Simmons. He is so pressed about MJ that he makes up things.

The irony is that he is the one who wrote such a song where he considers a 16-year-old a sex object:



Compare that to the fact that MJ wrote songs against the abuse of children, including a song against the sexual exploitation of children by Hollywood where the protagonist is "only fifteen".

In my experience those who have the most skeletons in their closet are always the ones barking the loudest. I wouldn't be surprised if Simmons had sex with many underage groupies. It was a thing with those '70s rock acts.

Exactly.

 

[#MJforever57]

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There is nowhere for this case to go can't the judge not see that. Ivy you were right on it here is the prepare for anything.

 

[barbee0715]

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And he claims someone who knows in the industry and played on one of MJ's tour quit because he saw boys coming out of his room. I doubt this happened either. Just same ol' BS by Simmons. He is so pressed about MJ that he makes up things.

Jennifer Batten had an interview about a week after he said this and she angrily called him a liar. Also said no one was ever fired or quit on the Bad Tour.
Gene is still jealous bc of the Diana Ross factor, I think.

I wouldn't be surprised if Simmons had sex with many underage groupies. It was a thing with those '70s rock acts.

60s, 70s, 80s-wasn't really til the 90s people started acting aware of it.

 

[Ms. BlueGangsta]

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And what is Gene Simmon's problem. I guess someone is paying his stupid tail to say something now.

I think I saw the article you're talking about, and whether or not the comments are new or old my reaction is/was this.



Wasn't his dumb ass the same one that (ironically) had child porn found on his computer, and wrote that weird ass song about having sex with a 16 year old?
He shouldn't say shit, and needs to not tell lies before HE gets exposed for some of the nasty deplorable shit I'm sure he ACTUALLY DID.
Gene Simmons STAYS pressed, distressed, and looking a mess when it comes to Michael, and I'm sure some of it has to do with Miss Ross.

 

[terrell]

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I think I saw the article you're talking about, and whether or not the comments are new or old my reaction is/was this.



Wasn't his dumb ass the same one that (ironically) had child porn found on his computer, and wrote that weird ass song about having sex with a 16 year old?
He shouldn't say shit, and needs to not tell lies before HE gets exposed for some of the nasty deplorable shit I'm sure he ACTUALLY DID.
Gene Simmons STAYS pressed, distressed, and looking a mess when it comes to Michael, and I'm sure some of it has to do with Miss Ross.

I think he is upset that Michael was not a whorish man like him. That is the impression I get from the article.

 

[8701girl]

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I realized that and the rest of the quotes makes it sound like Robson lawyers want him deposed soon. Weird.

You mean deposed as in stay out of the trial?

 

[RedMaryFlint]

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BTW, I have recently watched a couple of documentaries about psychopathy and sociopathy. Without diagnosing Robson as such (which of course, I cannot from my armchair, and I am not qualified anyway), but then I wouldn't be surprised if he scored high in the psychopathy test, since he does seem to have some of the traits. Not all psychopaths are Hannibal Lecter, most actually aren't, and it is a spectrum anyway, so I am not comparing him to some sort of serial killer, that's not what it is. But the most relevant characteristics of a psychopath/sociopath are lying and manipulating people without remorse or guilt and unable to feel empathy. I think he does have those traits. Remember when his cousin said about him 12 years ago: "When he does something wrong he will never apologize, when it's clearly his fault. He always has to get things his way no matter what, even if it hurts other people." Even if it hurts other people... Of course this isn't enough to diagnose someone as such, it's just that I wonder how high he would score in a psychopathy test and I wouldn't be surprised if it was pretty high. But if he is one, or if he would score high in a psychopathy test, that also means he is highly manipulative. Although psychopaths don't feel empathy or emotions, but they are very good at miming them by observing other people. Which is what I think Robson uses all those books and meetings with real vitims for - to learn how to mime those emotions. So he may be able to fool a psychologist by knowing what are the "right" answers to give - especially since he is so consciously preparing himself. But maybe psychology has methods for dealing with such manipulative people.

I'm not an expert either, but I would guess narcissistic personality disorder, not unlike other people who have latched onto MJ. Wade's feelings of victimization are real to him, it's just that he's not actually a victim of anything, except perhaps childhood stardom, and you can't sue anyone for that. He's constructed a whole new identity for himself to justify those feelings, even as he knows damned well nothing ever happened. He should worry a little less about how to fool a psychologist and a little more about what he might give away unintentionally.